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[Charlie Zureki]

Bennett Prescott wrote on Fri, 28 August 2009 16:17

I inserted these into the signal chain:

 Nice ear "pads"!

Cheers,
Hammer

[Charlie Zureki]

David Morison wrote on Fri, 28 August 2009 16:18

Is it sad that I guessed they would be DJ channels before I even saw the labelling?   David.

 Hello David,


 Your experience in the world of Professional Sound Reinforcement is with out question!  

Cheers,
Hammer

[Dave Bigelow]

Nathan Short wrote on Fri, 28 August 2009 13:48

What a bandwidth shame.  There are so many ways to make even a douche bag DJ sound good. Without just limiting the piss out of it.

Appears to me that the gain is all the way down. How ya gonna fix that without unplugging the DJ to throw an inline -20dB pad in there?

[Tom Reid]

Bennett Prescott wrote on Fri, 28 August 2009 16:17

I inserted these into the signal chain:

Hey!

Those are the same plugs that came with my Glock.
...which is the best solution for this problem.

[Mike Pyle]

Bennett Prescott wrote on Fri, 28 August 2009 11:45

I dialed in the attack and release until it didn't suck too much, but this was a corporate event and he had no business breaking 100 dB on the floor.

Was that the opinion of the client, or your own personal judgement?

Let's assume that he was hired by someone that likes what he does. It seems that with the trim turned down, and all dynamics squashed, you have pretty much sabotaged his performance.

[Adam Whetham]

Mike Pyle wrote on Sat, 29 August 2009 12:43

Was that the opinion of the client, or your own personal judgement? Let's assume that he was hired by someone that likes what he does. It seems that with the trim turned down, and all dynamics squashed, you have pretty much sabotaged his performance.

Another question to pose. If he wouldn't have done this and the speaker system failed, would he also have sabotaged his performance?

It it was part of his performance I would have assumed he would have walked up and said "Hey i'm going to send you a clipping signal, it is part of my performance, please do not try and alter the signal"

Did he let said person know?

[Jason Dermer]

This was my gig, and yes, the client was not happy with the volume of the DJ.  He worked from a laptop/Serato/sampler setup, and the levels varied wildly not only from track to track but within each section as he mixed everything together. There was no choice but to run it relatively hot and squash it to keep it within reason so we didn't hear grief about the quieter sections as well.

Not to mention that fact that he had his own monitors run from his mixer, and the high end there was pegged negating half of what we tried to accomplish. Unfortunately, we were the ones that had to deal with the client, they were not willing to make any comment, or authorize us to, as the DJ was at one time a very big name.

The whole story may have been different if we had the 1500 expected and not the 90 that showed up.

[Mike Pyle]

Adam Whetham wrote on Sat, 29 August 2009 10:59

Mike Pyle wrote on Sat, 29 August 2009 12:43 Was that the opinion of the client, or your own personal judgement? Let's assume that he was hired by someone that likes what he does. It seems that with the trim turned down, and all dynamics squashed, you have pretty much sabotaged his performance. Another question to pose. If he wouldn't have done this and the speaker system failed, would he also have sabotaged his performance? It it was part of his performance I would have assumed he would have walked up and said "Hey i'm going to send you a clipping signal, it is part of my performance, please do not try and alter the signal" Did he let said person know?

Jason answered below the question I posed.

What you are stating is an assumption that the DJ would have delivered a clipped signal even if there were ample headroom for him to hear the levels he wanted. Think about it.

[Rick Stansby]

Mike Pyle wrote on Sat, 29 August 2009 12:57

What you are stating is an assumption that the DJ would have delivered a clipped signal even if there were ample headroom for him to hear the levels he wanted. Think about it.

I have never met a DJ who won't turn it up to 11.  If I give him a good gain level so that he can keep his mixer out of clip he will turn it up until there is no other knob to turn up.  Using a heavy limiter is the only way to allow him to use the mixer sensibly, while protecting the rig if he won't.

Of course he probably thinks there is something wrong because it doesn't get really loud no matter how much he turns it up.  The DJ might never think of turning down to improve the sound quality.

He will probably go home and complain on ProDJWeb that the sound guy won't give him enough gain, so he has to crank his mixer into the red to get a decent level

[waldo [Casey Williams]]

Dave Bigelow wrote

Appears to me that the gain is all the way down. How ya gonna fix that without unplugging the DJ to throw an inline -20dB pad in there?

Pan to mono, mute 1 channel, bring other channel up a tad...insert pad on muted channel. Repeat for other channel.

Jason Dermer wrote

Not to mention that fact that he had his own monitors run from his mixer...

When possible, send his 'booth out' to you first, and give him a monitor mix from that.

Now I'm going to say something very shocking about the mic bleed. I have actually trained a handful of DJs to use a switched mic!! Despite being drunk, deaf and megalomaniacal, they get it right about 80% of the time. It's arguably my highest achievement in this lifetime.

waldo