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[Frank Czar]

Hi Guys,

Wondering how the Yamaha TF series is doing in the real world? I have not seen or heard to much about it since its release. Any one have one, use one? Opinions?
I've just heard a lot of people gripe about the preset and auto gain feature, this is not an issue as it can be defeated and you can adjust everything manually.
I own and have owned over 12 Yamaha's (Pro stuff that is, I can't comment on MI stuff)and the one thing I love is their reliability.

[Riley Casey]

Second hand info but ...  A person who's ears and judgement I trust a great deal had a shoot out in their shop between the TF and the X32 and the Behringer won on both sound and useablity.  On the basis of that I bought two X32s this summer and my five other digital consoles are all Yamaha.

[Jeff Foster]

Hi Guys,

Wondering how the Yamaha TF series is doing in the real world? I have not seen or heard to much about it since its release. Any one have one, use one? Opinions?
I've just heard a lot of people gripe about the preset and auto gain feature, this is not an issue as it can be defeated and you can adjust everything manually.
I own and have owned over 12 Yamaha's (Pro stuff that is, I can't comment on MI stuff)and the one thing I love is their reliability.

I have one.  I like it.  It works well for my needs...

http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,154290.msg1422668.html#msg1422668

[Wichak Chanmuang]

Hate this mixer. I pray not to see it on my band's shows. Why? Here are the reasons
- touch screen only to adjust anything. It's too slow to work with.
- very thin sound.
- only 2 Efx engine. Not enough for me.

[Frederik Rosenkjær]

- only 2 Efx engine. Not enough for me.

It has more than two FX engines. You can get more by using some of the stereo auxes into which the extra engines can be inserted. Then you can route the busses to the stereo bus and then you have more send/receive effects.

[Scott Helmke]

I like it, though it's not as heavily featured-laden as the more expensive consoles. Sounds good, pretty good design for a starter digital console.

The touch screen interface is miles ahead of the previous Yamaha generations, even the CL/QL. And the network control is super easy to set up.

[Jeff Foster]

- touch screen only to adjust anything. It's too slow to work with.

You obviously haven't ever touched one and are basing your statements on a likely very brief internet view.  There is a nice big silver knob called the 'touch and turn' knob.  Tap on any setting on the screen and that physical control knob now controls that function.  You also have four user defined knobs that can be set to control functions regardless of what the touch screen shows - again, giving you physical tactile controls.

- very thin sound.

Personal preference.  It clearly sounds better to me than the LS9 or M7CL consoles.  It may not be in CL territory, but it doesn't cost anywhere near that much either.  The sound quality is just as good as any other console in it's price range.

[Wichak Chanmuang]

You obviously haven't ever touched one and are basing your statements on a likely very brief internet view.  There is a nice big silver knob called the 'touch and turn' knob.  Tap on any setting on the screen and that physical control knob now controls that function.  You also have four user defined knobs that can be set to control functions regardless of what the touch screen shows - again, giving you physical tactile controls.



Personal preference.  It clearly sounds better to me than the LS9 or M7CL consoles.  It may not be in CL territory, but it doesn't cost anywhere near that much either.  The sound quality is just as good as any other console in it's price range.

"Touch and turn" is the basic feature found on every touch screen console, so I don't count it. The more buttons that correspond to the function, the better you can mix without to put too much concentration on the mixer. So I still prefer the digital mixer with more knobs ^___^


Ok.. Let take it as you say..  "Personal Preference"

[Jeff Foster]

"Touch and turn" is the basic feature found on every touch screen console, so I don't count it. The more buttons that correspond to the function, the better you can mix without to put too much concentration on the mixer. So I still prefer the digital mixer with more knobs ^___^

One word: Digico

I used to think the same way until I took a chance and got a Steinberg CMC-AI controller for Cubase (My DAW of choice).  I thought it was pretty gimmicky at the time.  I wanted lots and lots of buttons and knobs because that's what would impress other people.  But I got it for a good deal and figured I'd give it a shot.  Now, I can't imagine editing without it.  It makes editing a LOT faster than having a separate knob for each function or a bank of knobs for varying functions.  With it, I just point with the mouse to what I want to control, and turn the AI knob.  I found it has actually made me far more productive.

When I saw that Yamaha had adopted the same idea with the TF series, I figured it would be just as useful in a live setting.  In fact, even before the TF came out, I sometimes wished the consoles I found myself running had a similar function.  The Digico's have it(*), but I can't afford one of those.  Having had my TF3 for a while now, I can say that I can mix MUCH faster using the touch screen and the touch and turn knob than I ever could with having separate knobs.  It is far faster to glance at the screen and tap the function I want, than to search through a bank of identical knobs to make sure I grab the right one.  I actually spend less time looking at the console now.  That time searching through all those knobs to find the right one is now spent looking at the stage making sure I don't miss anything, or spent fine tuning other areas that I never had the time to do before.

You said that it is found on every touch screen console.  I'd like to know what other consoles have it (other than the Digicos).  Maybe I haven't been looking closely enough, but I don't recall seeing that kind of function on any other sub $10k console.

(*) I have seen interviews of big name engineers using Digico consoles that have pretty much found the same thing...they enjoy using the touch and turn knob and find themselves using it way more often than they thought they would because of how much faster it is to do things with it.

[Wichak Chanmuang]

One word: Digico

I used to think the same way until I took a chance and got a Steinberg CMC-AI controller for Cubase (My DAW of choice).  I thought it was pretty gimmicky at the time.  I wanted lots and lots of buttons and knobs because that's what would impress other people.  But I got it for a good deal and figured I'd give it a shot.  Now, I can't imagine editing without it.  It makes editing a LOT faster than having a separate knob for each function or a bank of knobs for varying functions.  With it, I just point with the mouse to what I want to control, and turn the AI knob.  I found it has actually made me far more productive.

When I saw that Yamaha had adopted the same idea with the TF series, I figured it would be just as useful in a live setting.  In fact, even before the TF came out, I sometimes wished the consoles I found myself running had a similar function.  The Digico's have it(*), but I can't afford one of those.  Having had my TF3 for a while now, I can say that I can mix MUCH faster using the touch screen and the touch and turn knob than I ever could with having separate knobs.  It is far faster to glance at the screen and tap the function I want, than to search through a bank of identical knobs to make sure I grab the right one.  I actually spend less time looking at the console now.  That time searching through all those knobs to find the right one is now spent looking at the stage making sure I don't miss anything, or spent fine tuning other areas that I never had the time to do before.

You said that it is found on every touch screen console.  I'd like to know what other consoles have it (other than the Digicos).  Maybe I haven't been looking closely enough, but I don't recall seeing that kind of function on any other sub $10k console.

(*) I have seen interviews of big name engineers using Digico consoles that have pretty much found the same thing...they enjoy using the touch and turn knob and find themselves using it way more often than they thought they would because of how much faster it is to do things with it.

I assume that you haven't tried any Allen-Heath Mixers. QU series is in the same price range with TF serie. 

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