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[David Parker]

I bought a Yamaha LS9 when they first came out. In my world I was WAY ahead of the curve. Couldn't possibly justify the investment, but I wanted it. Now I'm getting left behind with all the lowball digital offerings coming out, costing 20-30% of my original investment. Had a drummer the other night complaining because he couldn't mix his own in ears on his Iphone. Whew! I'm 58 and looking at working live audio for maybe 4 more years. I really don't want to "upgrade" my mixer again. I doubt all these johnny-come-lately digital mixers have all the eq options my LS9 does, but the people who hire me don't see that. All I'm doing now is working small time cover tune club bands, and a mix wiz oughta be all they get for what I charge.

[EvanKirkendall]

Had a drummer the other night complaining because he couldn't mix his own in ears on his Iphone. Whew!

Yamaha stage mix my friend. Learn it, love it.



Evan

[David Parker]

Yamaha stage mix my friend. Learn it, love it.



Evan

I've got the stagemix running, but I thought you could only have one ipad or such running it at one time. Some of the newer digital mixer
 offerings allow 10 ipad or iphones to access the mixer at once.

[Tim McCulloch]

I bought a Yamaha LS9 when they first came out. In my world I was WAY ahead of the curve. Couldn't possibly justify the investment, but I wanted it. Now I'm getting left behind with all the lowball digital offerings coming out, costing 20-30% of my original investment. Had a drummer the other night complaining because he couldn't mix his own in ears on his Iphone. Whew! I'm 58 and looking at working live audio for maybe 4 more years. I really don't want to "upgrade" my mixer again. I doubt all these johnny-come-lately digital mixers have all the eq options my LS9 does, but the people who hire me don't see that. All I'm doing now is working small time cover tune club bands, and a mix wiz oughta be all they get for what I charge.

You're doing bar/club gigs and the drummer is wanking?  Fuck him.  Seriously.  Tell him if every band would pony up another $100 a night, you'd happily supply wireless mixing.*

As for StageMix, you don't have access to many parameters (yes, I've played with this on an ipad) and there doesn't seem to be a way to limit access to the entire console.  I can overlook the lack of channel or mix bus dynamics control IF it were possible to restrict StageMix to a single mix.

Those things took me to AirFader.  I'm a fanboy.

AirFader runs on a Windows computer or tablet that is connected to the mixer via a router/wireless access point.  The mixer connects to the router via CAT5, and the computer can be wired or wireless.  If you pay the extra $49, you can access the Server inside AirFader and have a relatively unlimited number of Android devices connecting to the mixer.  You can restrict access on a per-user basis to individual mixes and to certain parameters.  Oh, the standard version of AirFader permits a single Android device to connect, you need Server if you want more.  The author (who has posted in these forums) says that an iOS version is forthcoming, too.

AirFader also works with the M7 and "really soon now" the 01v96.

edited to include this footnote:

* Nothing stays the same.  You have, on a smaller scale, the same problem as regional providers - at some point a "new" guy comes along that buys all brand new gear and competes with you.  Even if your stuff is fairly current (5 years or so), bands (at your level) and promoters (at the regional) will be attracted to the BrightShiny, especially if the fees are close.  If the new guy screws up, your clients come back... but if he doesn't, you're out of the running.  Keeping up with new technology is one of several hidden costs of doing business that are almost impossible to get enough income to cover.

If you must appease just this drummer, connect a router/WAP to your LS/9 and give the drummer the IP and MAC addresses of the console and let him use his iPad.  If he screws up your FOH mix or other monitor mixes, simply unplug the console from the router and tell him on break why you did that.

[g'bye, Dick Rees]

You're doing bar/club gigs and the drummer is wanking?  Fuck him.  Seriously.  Tell him if every band would pony up another $100 a night, you'd happily supply wireless mixing.

I'm so happy I never got bit by the bar/club bug as performer or tech guy.

[Mark McFarlane]

I did FOH for a heavy metal band a few nights ago and they brought their own IEM rig - a Mackie 1608 and a couple of ART 8-channel passive splitters.  Each band member had their own IEM TX/RX and an iPhone clamped to their mic stand to control their mix. Worked brilliantly and I got a clean signal to my snake.  I just handed them a diagram saying "what I wanted where" in my FOH snake.

You could possibly sell your LS-9 today and pay for a nww 1608 or X32. In another 6-12 months it may not be worth much, depending on the reliability reports of the new gear.

FYI, Stereokrauts (Stereoscope) just released a multi-user interface for Yamaha and other mixers that seems to provide exactly what you want. I've been using their 1.7 Stereoscope version to set up monitor mixes from an iPad for the past few months and it works fairly well, although I did loose sync for the first time ever to my 01V96 at a mini festival last week. I waited for the bands to change to reboot the 01V96, rebooting my laptop didn't allow me to resync.  I haven't tried the new multi-user version so I can't comment on it's reliability.

[David Parker]

I did FOH for a heavy metal band a few nights ago and they brought their own IEM rig - a Mackie 1608 and a couple of ART 8-channel passive splitters.  Each band member had their own IEM TX/RX and an iPhone clamped to their mic stand to control their mix. Worked brilliantly and I got a clean signal to my snake.  I just handed them a diagram saying "what I wanted where" in my FOH snake.

You could possibly sell your LS-9 today and pay for a nww 1608 or X32. In another 6-12 months it may not be worth much, depending on the reliability reports of the new gear.

FYI, Stereokrauts (Stereoscope) just released a multi-user interface for Yamaha and other mixers that seems to provide exactly what you want. I've been using their 1.7 Stereoscope version to set up monitor mixes from an iPad for the past few months and it works fairly well, although I did loose sync for the first time ever to my 01V96 at a mini festival last week. I waited for the bands to change to reboot the 01V96, rebooting my laptop didn't allow me to resync.  I haven't tried the new multi-user version so I can't comment on it's reliability.

looks like stereoscope requires you have a pc connected to the mixer, then you connect the ipad to the pc. Is this correct?

[Mark McFarlane]

looks like stereoscope requires you have a pc connected to the mixer, then you connect the ipad to the pc. Is this correct?

Correct.  The Mac/PC interprets the OSC messages and converts them to midi to communicate with the mixer.  Previous version documentation said to not run Stereoscope and Studio Manager at the same time, but I never had a problem (until 2 days ago when SM stopped syncing after 2 hours...)  I use the same Mac to run Studio Manager and the Sterescope server (OSC converter).

[Scott Bolt]

I have been running my MixWiz for over 12 years without any problems.... but I am really tempted to get a SL 16.4.2.  A full meter bridge and WAY smaller and lighter than my current instrument rack sounds pretty good to me.  We already have remote mixing with a Furman wired IEM system (4 aux mixes and the main mix).... but then, I don't do sound for other bands that often.

I have even considered the SL 16.0.2 since my band uses vDrums and we don't need even 16 channels.

Pretty soon, the powered speakers are going to come with a mixer built in and all you will need is a tablet to control it with

[David Parker]

Pretty soon, the powered speakers are going to come with a mixer built in and all you will need is a tablet to control it with

now that's a pregnant idea!

[Dave Bigelow]

I have been running my MixWiz for over 12 years without any problems.... but I am really tempted to get a SL 16.4.2.  A full meter bridge and WAY smaller and lighter than my current instrument rack sounds pretty good to me.  We already have remote mixing with a Furman wired IEM system (4 aux mixes and the main mix).... but then, I don't do sound for other bands that often.

I have even considered the SL 16.0.2 since my band uses vDrums and we don't need even 16 channels.

Pretty soon, the powered speakers are going to come with a mixer built in and all you will need is a tablet to control it with

I'd look at the 16 mic pre version of the x32 before the SL, maybe it's just me but the (never thought I'd say this in a million years) X32 sounds better to me.

[Tommy Peel]

I'd look at the 16 mic pre version of the x32 before the SL, maybe it's just me but the (never thought I'd say this in a million years) X32 sounds better to me.

+1
Also check out the x32 Rack, no faders just a 3u rack mount mixer with 16 preamps, some 1/4 inch aux inputs and outputs, and 8 xlr outputs. It's designed for remote control via iPad/laptop and supports Behringer's personal mixers. Also it can be expanded to a full 32 preamps and 16 outputs with a s16 digital snake box. One of these days when out band moves beyond our analog mixer it's what I'd like to get; the x32 I installed at my parent's church sounds and works great.

[David Parker]

I'd look at the 16 mic pre version of the x32 before the SL, maybe it's just me but the (never thought I'd say this in a million years) X32 sounds better to me.

one thing I've got that the others don't YET! I have 32 full function channels in a single rack width. None of the bands I work for fit on a 16 channel mixer. I've got my LS9-16 with two 8 channel expanders in a rack. 32  inputs and 24 outputs. All XLR. In the places where I work real estate is at a premium, so the single rack width is a plus. I roll my rig in all hooked up and set up. And it's paid for.

[Bob Leonard]

David,

I'm also winding down, mix mostly for myself now, have a very nice analog rig, and agree with everything Tim has said.

You may be interested in personal monitor mixers from Hear, Aviom or Roland, and there are others, even Behringer. I have used the Hear Technologies unit below. Very affordable and works great with analog or digital consoles.

http://www.aviom.com/?adid=0&gclid=CPyO4-LN8LUCFVGf4AodJhwADg

http://www.heartechnologies.com/hb/hearbackintro.htm

http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/P16-M.aspx
 
 

[David Parker]

I remember when the original mackie 1604 came out, with 4 aux sends. I wondered what all those aux sends were for!

[Tommy Peel]

I remember when the original mackie 1604 came out, with 4 aux sends. I wondered what all those aux sends were for!

I remember that feeling when I got my Mackie Onyx 1640 with 6 auxs; now I wish it had more(although I don't currently use them all that will change when I get some more monitors).

[Dave Bigelow]

one thing I've got that the others don't YET! I have 32 full function channels in a single rack width. None of the bands I work for fit on a 16 channel mixer. I've got my LS9-16 with two 8 channel expanders in a rack. 32  inputs and 24 outputs. All XLR. In the places where I work real estate is at a premium, so the single rack width is a plus. I roll my rig in all hooked up and set up. And it's paid for.

Yeah, it's rare that I use under 20 channels from the stage, 16 would be a poor investment on my part. Then again when advancing I spec out 48 channels, at least 8 VCAs, etc. If digital the LS932 and X32 are the lowest I'll take, standard is the SC48.

[Brad Weber]

+1
Also check out the x32 Rack, no faders just a 3u rack mount mixer with 16 preamps, some 1/4 inch aux inputs and outputs, and 8 xlr outputs. It's designed for remote control via iPad/laptop and supports Behringer's personal mixers. Also it can be expanded to a full 32 preamps and 16 outputs with a s16 digital snake box. One of these days when out band moves beyond our analog mixer it's what I'd like to get; the x32 I installed at my parent's church sounds and works great.

This is a serious question but I see the advantages of remote wireless mixing for setup and in some uses, especially in smaller systems, however I do not understand situations with perfectly good mix positions and 32 channel and larger systems wanting to replace having actual faders and knobs, monitoring/cueing, talkback, etc. with iPads or touch screens.  Supplement okay, but why would someone not want a real mix control surface if it was feasible?

[David Parker]

This is a serious question but I see the advantages of remote wireless mixing for setup and in some uses, especially in smaller systems, however I do not understand situations with perfectly good mix positions and 32 channel and larger systems wanting to replace having actual faders and knobs, monitoring/cueing, talkback, etc. with iPads or touch screens.  Supplement okay, but why would someone not want a real mix control surface if it was feasible?

quite often it isn't feasible to put the mixer in a good position for mixing, and even if it is, it's not a good idea to mix based on one place in the room, since it never sounds the same all over the room. Certainly I'd love to have my mixer in the perfect place every time, but that is a rarity. The Studio Manager ipad app is extremely functional, and in some ways better than mixing on the LS9.

[Geoff Doane]

Had a drummer the other night complaining because he couldn't mix his own in ears on his Iphone.

I just finished a gig that involved a day and a half of rehearsals, culminating in a one hour live to air radio broadcast of ten newly arranged songs.  My job on this one was monitors, 6 mixes for the backing band, and another five for the featured performers.  The drummer was a fairly tech savvy guy, so I gave him the iPad (connected to the LS9-32) to set up his own in-ears mix (I trusted him enough not to mess with the other mixes), while I concentrated on the wedges. 

It worked pretty well.  The drummer is smart enough to have a plan B for his ears: he carries a stereo mic that he can plug into his little mixer if there are no overheads supplied with the PA.  Once he had his own kit set up, I retrieved the iPad, and made adjustments for the various soloists in his mix as we went along. 

Other drummers I've worked with over the years who cared about their monitor mix, carried their own mixer, a bunch of Y-cords, and a monitor or in-ear rig, and one even had his own mic kit. 

GTD

[John Chiara]

quite often it isn't feasible to put the mixer in a good position for mixing, and even if it is, it's not a good idea to mix based on one place in the room, since it never sounds the same all over the room. Certainly I'd love to have my mixer in the perfect place every time, but that is a rarity. The Studio Manager ipad app is extremely functional, and in some ways better than mixing on the LS9.

I agree that ability to check different listening areas is good, but many times you have to pick a middle ground and go with it. I find that when actually mixing(verb) I need to do more than one thing at a time which is hard on a pad. Did use the iPad for labeling the X 32 and it rocks.

[Dave Bigelow]

I agree that ability to check different listening areas is good, but many times you have to pick a middle ground and go with it. I find that when actually mixing(verb) I need to do more than one thing at a time which is hard on a pad. Did use the iPad for labeling the X 32 and it rocks.

I agree, I want the ability to do two things at once, like turn up or down an aux while also changing the level of a different channel.

[Steve Garris]

I did FOH for a heavy metal band a few nights ago and they brought their own IEM rig - a Mackie 1608 and a couple of ART 8-channel passive splitters.  Each band member had their own IEM TX/RX and an iPhone clamped to their mic stand to control their mix. Worked brilliantly and I got a clean signal to my snake.  I just handed them a diagram saying "what I wanted where" in my FOH snake.

I'm selling my 1 year old Mixwiz and replacing it with the 1608. I borrowed one to do a recent gig, and there's nothing it can't do over the Mixwiz and my processing rack. I won't miss dragging that stuff around and running a snake. I'm pretty sold on the Mackie but waiting to see the Behringer version before I take the plunge.

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