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[Kevin Wilson]

Perhaps someone could give me some direction.

Our setup is:

Mackie SR 32.4.2 board
Aviom AN 16/i input module
Aviom 16D PRO Distribution Center

Currently we are coming out of each channel inserts and into the module - then out of the module via A-NET cable to the Distribution Center on the platform.

Dilemma: We want to be able to run each channel individually through an EQ before sending it to the platform.

All inquiries say to come out of an Aux Send - but that only allows 1 channel to be sent to the EQ. 

Either I route each channel differently through the board - or find an EQ which has A-NET input/out capability (if that exists).


Anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks

Kevin 

[Mike Spitzer]

I don't see that routing will help you on that board. It's not very flexible. You pretty much have two options that I see:

1 - Buy a bunch of 3-band eqs and run each channel through them. Expect $60-$100 per channel at the low end.

2 - Buy a separate mixing console that supports post-eq direct outs. You're probably looking at $2k+ for that, at which point you should start considering other main consoles.

Why do they need an eq on each channel?

-mS

[Kevin Wilson]

Why do they need an eq on each channel?

-mS

The complaint has been the sound quality in-ear.  Im assuming that in order to keep the freedom for each musician to have control over their own individual mix - that we would need to EQ channels separately.

The only alternative I can see is to run groups of channels through a Bus or an Aux send as suggested.  Maybe that is the best approach - but doesn't that eliminate the freedom for individual mixes ont he platform? 

[Mac Kerr]

Perhaps someone could give me some direction.

Our setup is:

Mackie SR 32.4.2 board
Aviom AN 16/i input module
Aviom 16D PRO Distribution Center

Currently we are coming out of each channel inserts and into the module - then out of the module via A-NET cable to the Distribution Center on the platform.

Dilemma: We want to be able to run each channel individually through an EQ before sending it to the platform.

All inquiries say to come out of an Aux Send - but that only allows 1 channel to be sent to the EQ. 

Either I route each channel differently through the board - or find an EQ which has A-NET input/out capability (if that exists).


Anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks

Kevin

Am I missing something? Wouldn't you just come out of the insert, into the eq, out of the eq into the Aviom? You need to insert the eq in the analog domain, and that would be before the Aviom.

You could probably have another console for less money than all those eqs.

If each musician needs to individually eq each mic in his mix, you don't want Aviom. That would be an actual use for SAC.

If each musician wants to eq his overall mix individually you need a stereo eq between the headphone output and his ears.

Mac

[Kevin Wilson]

Am I missing something? Wouldn't you just come out of the insert, into the eq, out of the eq into the Aviom? You need to insert the eq in the analog domain, and that would be before the Aviom.

You could probably have another console for less money than all those eqs.

If each musician needs to individually eq each mic in his mix, you don't want Aviom. That would be an actual use for SAC.

If each musician wants to eq his overall mix individually you need a stereo eq between the headphone output and his ears.

Mac

This is probably more my inability to explain this.

Each musician isnt asking to individually control the EQ for each channel.  They are simply asking for some EQ in their IEM's.  Since 'Im new to this - I'm trying to figure out how to route the EQ into the Avioms various channels without purchasing a separate EQ for each one.

We have 16 inputs going into the Aviom.  But the EQ only has 1-2 inputs.  So how do I take 16 separate inserts and put them into the EQ - then out of the EQ into 16 inputs on the Aviom?

I apologize for not making much sense in this.

[Mike Spitzer]

If you do a post-eq direct out, you end up with the same eq in the IEMs as in the house, which usually isn't what's wanted, so you really don't gain anything there. The only real option is to have a separate eq mix for each channel, which means a monitor console or a lot of individual eqs.

There may be other ways of handling sound quality, though. What exactly are they complaining about? Distorted, muddy, etc?

Edit: Sorry; just read your last point. Being able to EQ the headphones isn't likely to help much. It can be done with an in-line single channel eq that each pair of headphones plugs in to, but I wouldn't expect much or any improvement.

-mS

[Kevin Wilson]

I understand; it's just not something that's usually done. If you do a post-eq direct out, you end up with the same eq in the IEMs as in the house, which usually isn't what's wanted, so you really don't gain anything there. The only real option is to have a separate eq mix for each channel, which means a monitor console or a lot of individual eqs.

There may be other ways of handling sound quality, though. What exactly are they complaining about? Distorted, muddy, etc?

-mS

Currently we have no EQ at all in the IEM's.  Is that normal?

Your "post EQ direct out" point sounds like what Im talking about.  How would I do that with my current mixer?

Or maybe a better way since that isnt normally done?

[Michael Galica]

So basically muso's are saying the IEMs don't sound good, right?

There's a lot of things that could cause this.  Do you have a fairly drastic house EQ setting?  Do you have to do a lot of EQ on individual channels to make it sound good in the house?  What earbuds are they using?  What mics are you using.  Since your "outs" are pre-nearlyeverything, the IEMs will be getting the raw sound from the mics and preamps, which leads me to think that a good deal of the blame is on either the source itself (namely that the musicians aren't as good as they think they are) or the microphone/pickup/DI.

If you want to be a little more devious about it, and if you have an extra FX unit, the right reverb can cover a multitude of sins.  This has good and bad points, of course.

[Mike Spitzer]

Currently we have no EQ at all in the IEM's.  Is that normal?

Your "post EQ direct out" point sounds like what Im talking about.  How would I do that with my current mixer?

Or maybe a better way since that isnt normally done?

That is normal. I've never EQ'd IEMs. Normally, when people complain about their in-ear mixes it's because they're trying to do too much with it. Assuming your worship leader sings and plays guitar. He'll typically only really need his voice, his guitar, some drums and maybe some keyboard. When you try to do a full house mix into in-ears, they tend to get muddy and distracting, creating a lot of problems. By prioritizing what you're listening to, the sound will clear up.

As for the post-eq direct out, your board can't do that without possibly some very creative solder work. For that, you'd probably start looking at other large-format mixing consoles that can do post-eq, pre-fade direct outs, like the A&H GLs which have jumpers to control that kind of thing.

-mS

[Mac Kerr]

This is probably more my inability to explain this.

Each musician isnt asking to individually control the EQ for each channel.  They are simply asking for some EQ in their IEM's.  Since 'Im new to this - I'm trying to figure out how to route the EQ into the Avioms various channels without purchasing a separate EQ for each one.

We have 16 inputs going into the Aviom.  But the EQ only has 1-2 inputs.  So how do I take 16 separate inserts and put them into the EQ - then out of the EQ into 16 inputs on the Aviom?

I apologize for not making much sense in this.

In that case you don't need to eq the 16 inputs to the Aviom, you need a stereo eq for the outputs of each musician's mixer. There is not much on the market that I am aware of, although both Radio Shack and Koss have a 3 band eq for headphones. They are probably the same guts in different boxes, but they're cheap and they may do what you want.

Mac

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