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Peter Kowalczyk

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M32 / DL32 / M32R - FOH & MONs Routing
« on: May 09, 2023, 11:40:48 AM »

Hello!  I'm sure this bridge has been crossed before, and I'm digging into the mire of youtube tutorials etc, and hoping someone with the expertise can offer a shortcut to a solution...

Setup:
M32 at FOH,
M32R at MONs,
DL32 stage box shared by both.

Objective:
Route FOH Audio System Sends (L/R/Sub/Fill) out of the AES/EBU Digital outputs of the DL32 into my system processor, AND,
Route Monitor Audio Sends out the DL32's analog XLR outputs 1:12.

I've typically set the FOH console as the clock master, which, AFAIK, means it has sole control of the outputs on the DL32.  Fine for FOH, but then we need to use the local outputs of the monitor desk to drive wedges, and in this case, being an 'R' variant, we're at half capacity.

If the Monitor console is the clock master, then it can drive the DL32 outputs, but then I'm stuck on how to route FOH audio back to the system...

Any advice?  Muchas Gracias!
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Re: M32 / DL32 / M32R - FOH & MONs Routing
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2023, 12:04:12 PM »

In another thread in this section, @ russell ault described this configuration:

"The slightly more complicated version is "monitor X32 is clock, headamp control, and gets exclusive use of the S32's outputs; FOH X32 clocks to S32 and sends outputs through S32 to the monitor X32 (since on the S32 channels 1-16 on the input side of AES50-B are looped through as channels 33-48 on the output side of AES50-A); monitor X32 loops some of the channels from AES50 inputs 33-48 back out as outputs in the 1-16 so that they show up on the output XLRs of the S32".

...  That sounds like it'll work for me; just giving the monitor desk Pre-amp Control and FOH gets trims.  Thats fine with me.

The question then becomes:  How exactly do I route the FOH system sends thru the monitor desk and back to the DL32's outputs?
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Re: M32 / DL32 / M32R - FOH & MONs Routing
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2023, 03:41:51 PM »

In another thread in this section, @ russell ault described this configuration:

"The slightly more complicated version is "monitor X32 is clock, headamp control, and gets exclusive use of the S32's outputs; FOH X32 clocks to S32 and sends outputs through S32 to the monitor X32 (since on the S32 channels 1-16 on the input side of AES50-B are looped through as channels 33-48 on the output side of AES50-A); monitor X32 loops some of the channels from AES50 inputs 33-48 back out as outputs in the 1-16 so that they show up on the output XLRs of the S32".

...  That sounds like it'll work for me; just giving the monitor desk Pre-amp Control and FOH gets trims.  Thats fine with me.

The question then becomes:  How exactly do I route the FOH system sends thru the monitor desk and back to the DL32's outputs?

Okay, so, assuming you've started with the above (i.e. monitor console AES50-A is plugged into DL32 AES50-A, FOH console AES50-A is plugged into DL32 AES50-B), I'll add some specificity:

On the FOH console:
  • Make sure that the "Out 9-16" block is routed to the "AES50-A 9-16" block (IIRC this is the console default)
  • Route your your L/R/Sub/FF sends to Outputs 13-16

On the monitor console:
  • Make sure that the "Out 1-8" block is routed to the "AES50-A 1-8" block (IIRC this is the console default)
  • Route the  "User Out 9-16" block to the "AES50-A Out 9-16" block
  • Route "Out" 9-12 to "User Out" 9-12
  • Route "AES50-A In" 45-48 to "User Out" 13-16
  • Route your monitor sends to Outputs 1-12

...and that should do it!

-Russ
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Re: M32 / DL32 / M32R - FOH & MONs Routing
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2023, 12:17:19 AM »

Okay, so, assuming you've started with the above (i.e. monitor console AES50-A is plugged into DL32 AES50-A, FOH console AES50-A is plugged into DL32 AES50-B), I'll add some specificity:

On the FOH console:
  • Make sure that the "Out 9-16" block is routed to the "AES50-A 9-16" block (IIRC this is the console default)
  • Route your your L/R/Sub/FF sends to Outputs 13-16
On the monitor console:
  • Make sure that the "Out 1-8" block is routed to the "AES50-A 1-8" block (IIRC this is the console default)
  • Route the  "User Out 9-16" block to the "AES50-A Out 9-16" block
  • Route "Out" 9-12 to "User Out" 9-12
  • Route "AES50-A In" 45-48 to "User Out" 13-16
  • Route your monitor sends to Outputs 1-12
...and that should do it!

-Russ


You guys are getting soft, letting this get posted in the LAB without tossing beanbags at the OP.



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Re: M32 / DL32 / M32R - FOH & MONs Routing
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2023, 10:35:37 AM »


You guys are getting soft, letting this get posted in the LAB without tossing beanbags at the OP.

Peter K qualifies as an OG, he gets a pass. ;)
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Re: M32 / DL32 / M32R - FOH & MONs Routing
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2023, 09:01:17 PM »

Peter K qualifies as an OG, he gets a pass. ;)


OG = Old Guy?  I am clueless
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Re: M32 / DL32 / M32R - FOH & MONs Routing
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2023, 03:14:20 PM »

Peter K qualifies as an OG, he gets a pass. ;)

Thanks Tim, and Thanks @Russel Ault - appreciate the detailed step-by-step procedure.  This configuration worked perfectly, and by 'Safing' the routing and configuration parameters on the monitor desk while uploading new show files, it was flawless throughout our festival a couple weeks ago.

@scott holtzman - to argue sematics, this is the 'Console Connectivity' forum, not the LAB, but I'll accept your beanbag fusilade regardless... fire away!

This is my first foray into the 'User' routing feature; still getting my head around it....

For extra credit - if anyone knows how to do the same sort of channel routing configuration, but to give the FOH desk pre-amp control instead of the monitor desk, that would be really ideal!

Or, maybe I'll just invest in an analog split... 

Thank's y'all  8)

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Re: M32 / DL32 / M32R - FOH & MONs Routing
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2023, 06:39:31 PM »


OG = Old Guy?  I am clueless

OG = Original Gangster - just a slang term for somebody that's been around a while or in some cases from the beginning.
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Re: M32 / DL32 / M32R - FOH & MONs Routing
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2023, 10:48:24 PM »

Thanks Tim, and Thanks @Russel Ault - appreciate the detailed step-by-step procedure.  This configuration worked perfectly, and by 'Safing' the routing and configuration parameters on the monitor desk while uploading new show files, it was flawless throughout our festival a couple weeks ago.

@scott holtzman - to argue sematics, this is the 'Console Connectivity' forum, not the LAB, but I'll accept your beanbag fusilade regardless... fire away!

This is my first foray into the 'User' routing feature; still getting my head around it....

For extra credit - if anyone knows how to do the same sort of channel routing configuration, but to give the FOH desk pre-amp control instead of the monitor desk, that would be really ideal!

Or, maybe I'll just invest in an analog split... 

Thank's y'all  8)


I thought I had deleted that post, sorry, carry on.  Glad you got your answer.
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Re: M32 / DL32 / M32R - FOH & MONs Routing
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2023, 01:10:09 AM »

{...} For extra credit - if anyone knows how to do the same sort of channel routing configuration, but to give the FOH desk pre-amp control instead of the monitor desk, that would be really ideal! {...}

It's basically the same, but in reverse. FOH console AES50-A is plugged into DL32 AES50-A, monitor console AES50-A is plugged into DL32 AES50-B), then:

On the monitor console:
  • Make sure that the "Out 1-8" and "Out 9-16" blocks are routed to the "AES50-A Out 1-8" and "AES50-A Out 9-16" blocks (IIRC this is the console default)
  • Route your monitor sends to Outputs 1-12

On the FOH console:
  • Route the "AES50-A In 33-40" block to the "AES50-A Out 1-8" block
  • Route the "User Out 9-16" block to the "AES50-A Out 9-16" block
  • Route "AES50-A In" 41-44 to "User Out" 9-12
  • Route "Out" 13-16 to "User Out" 13-16
  • Route your your L/R/Sub/FF sends to Outputs 13-16

{...} Or, maybe I'll just invest in an analog split...  {...}

It's more weight and expense, but there are times it's still worth it (and the X/M32 platform, which has one of the less-graceful gain-sharing systems out there, might be one of those times).

-Russ
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