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Steve Eudaly

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Re: The Old Digital Console Thread
« Reply #50 on: February 08, 2022, 01:40:19 PM »

I'm on the slightly younger (but still getting older all the time) side of folks here, and working in a third-tier market, so my first experience was with the M7.

During 2020 I was involved in a HoW renovation that involved replacing a pair of PM1Ds with SD7s. I'd seen PM1Ds come through town on a few tours, but never got to really put my hands on one.

What phenomenal build quality on those desks. Everything just felt so...right. The buttons, encoders and faders all just had the most wonderful tactile experience. Certainly from a time when digital consoles were more luxury than commodity.

Pretty sad that part of the Digico purchase agreement required the church to destroy the DSPs of the old desks.

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« Reply #51 on: February 08, 2022, 01:48:42 PM »

Yamaha DMP7 briefly. Things really took off with DM2000 and then PM5D. My first PM1D was in early 2000 I think.

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I did a symphony pops tour in 2002-03  with a DM2000 and a bunch of AD8HR remote head amps.  I think we were pushing 70+ inputs for that.  I loved the tiny footprint, especially when getting into some of the theaters.  Sure beat trying to get a 4K and racks wedged into a row of seats.  The AES snake was still bulky, but I hadn't been spoiled by fiber or Cat5 yet.
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« Reply #52 on: February 08, 2022, 02:28:28 PM »

I'm on the slightly younger (but still getting older all the time) side of folks here, and working in a third-tier market, so my first experience was with the M7.

During 2020 I was involved in a HoW renovation that involved replacing a pair of PM1Ds with SD7s. I'd seen PM1Ds come through town on a few tours, but never got to really put my hands on one.

What phenomenal build quality on those desks. Everything just felt so...right. The buttons, encoders and faders all just had the most wonderful tactile experience. Certainly from a time when digital consoles were more luxury than commodity.

Pretty sad that part of the Digico purchase agreement required the church to destroy the DSPs of the old desks.
What in the world?

Were these Digico's donated? Or were the Yamaha's donated? That's the only reason I could think of for requiring the desks be destroyed.

We received a bunch of AV gear from a big corporation. Most of it was outdated stuff like 700mhz mics, old projectors, etc. We couldn't sell any of it. Could either trash it or donate it further down the line. So if these desks came from a situation like that I could understand, but if not why in the world?!?

I would love to have a free PM1d to play with......
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« Reply #53 on: February 08, 2022, 03:12:55 PM »

1D's were a true "walk up and mix" digital. Parts were scarce by early 00's.  DiGiCo offered "conquest sales" discounts on trade-ins, but rather than burden you with shipping cost they allowed you to remove them from digital console universe..SD7 is a nice trade-up.
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« Reply #54 on: February 08, 2022, 03:17:49 PM »

It was after the Wicked! Munchkinland Company played here, and IIRC that show was on DigiCo desks.

The show I'm thinking of was a 2 or 3 nighter and that ain't Wicked!

Huh, same venue? (I'm ASSuming the Century II Concert Hall.) Maybe Jersey Boys? (Although I thought their 2011 national tour was build on DiGiCos?)

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Re: The Old Digital Console Thread
« Reply #55 on: February 08, 2022, 05:25:41 PM »

Yamaha 03D was our first digital console bought entirely for a touring client. I was never a fan of that console but it was a good fit for the client. After we sold the 03D we bought a pair of DM100s and an 01V96. Having an outboard copy of the user interface in Studio Manager made all the difference in the world to me. Running a pair of Behringer 8 channel mic pres into ADAT cards on the consoles and adding a set of Ashly four channel digital graphics and running channel inserts from Metric Halo 2882 DSP units made a very powerful but small package.

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Re: The Old Digital Console Thread
« Reply #56 on: February 08, 2022, 05:37:06 PM »

It was after the Wicked! Munchkinland Company played here, and IIRC that show was on DigiCo desks.

The show I'm thinking of was a 2 or 3 nighter and that ain't Wicked!
The last show that I remember seeing a J-Type on was 9 to 5, which would have been 2012, maybe 2013.


Wicked played our theatre 3 times in about 5 or 6 years. The first was in 2009 and was the Munchkinland tour, which had a J-Type. The second time they played our theatre in about 2011 was the first First National tour and they had recently rebuilt into an SD7.
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Re: The Old Digital Console Thread
« Reply #57 on: February 08, 2022, 05:39:54 PM »

Yamaha DMP7 briefly. Things really took off with DM2000 and then PM5D. My first PM1D was in early 2000 I think.

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The DM2000 is still a hell of a console that does things that modern console still won't do for anywhere near the price. It just got outclassed by more modern i/o counts and workflows and color touch screen guis.


I own a DM2000 and still like it alot.
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Re: The Old Digital Console Thread
« Reply #58 on: February 08, 2022, 06:38:25 PM »

The DM2000 is still a hell of a console that does things that modern console still won't do for anywhere near the price. It just got outclassed by more modern i/o counts and workflows and color touch screen guis.


I own a DM2000 and still like it alot.

With 6 expansion card slots the DM2000 was a formidable routing and processing machine.  The 16 bus card architecture is its limiting issue these days... that and being what, about 20 years old?  There's a whole bunch of work for which the DM2000 is still a valid choice, it's just not shiny and new.
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Re: The Old Digital Console Thread
« Reply #59 on: February 08, 2022, 10:19:30 PM »

Did anyone ever see one of the EAW UMX.96 digital consoles in the wild?  We all heard rumors, but I never saw one beyond photos.

I touched one at a demo, but never mixed on it.  I seem to remember someone from EAW saying it was still "in R&D" after many years, even after prototypes had been in the wild for 2 (?) years.  Eventually I believe they said the R&D and support for a digital console was a lot more than they expected, and more than a speaker manufacturer could provide.  The cool feature was that it had SmaartLive built in.

The Roland consoles were very Yamaha-GUI-esque.  They sounded 'scooped' compared to the iLive, which sounded 'dark'.  Most of the public associated the brand with home studios and MI instruments/pedals, so when A&H really stepped up as the low cost/mid-range option to beat - Roland faded away.  They also tried to compete in the same space as the X32, which finished off the lowest price point options. 

They did have a full tour grade prototype console in development that got shelved; many years later, a few bits were incorporated into the M5000.  They didn't bring it to market due to R&D cost vs sell price vs expected quantity to sell.  I told them a number of times that they should have, as a loss leader, to help them break out of the MI-grade association of the name Roland. 

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