ProSoundWeb Community

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

Pages: [1] 2  All   Go Down

Author Topic: Xilica XP-4080  (Read 13164 times)

Jonathan Woytek

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 210
    • http://www.dryrose.com
Xilica XP-4080
« on: September 22, 2017, 03:56:35 PM »

Quick background: I'm building a new PA system after not being a "provider" and being only an "operator" for a while. More details and a review of the QSC amp I have paired with this processor here:
http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,164934.msg1519910.html#msg1519910

What follows is a short review of the Xilica XP-4080 system processor.

The XP-4080 is Xilica's mid-line unit DSP for general system processing. It is a 4-in/8-out unit with analog-only I/O. Control is available via front panel buttons and knob, and computer via USB or ethernet. Front panel controls include individual mute buttons for inputs AND outputs, plus a single wheel and buttons to navigate the menu system. Displays include individual meters for inputs and outputs, and a two-line dot matrix backlit text LCD. The USB connector is on the front panel. The back panel includes the audio I/O on XLR connectors, ethernet jack, and IEC power receptacle.

I'm using the XP-4080 in several configurations, including stereo + sub in/stereo + sub out, mono + sub in/2xmono + sub out, mono in/2xmono + sub out, stereo in/stereo + sub out, and a few varieties of full-range output with no separate sub output.

I ordered the unit from Mike Pyle here, and it arrived quickly and without fuss. Everyone knows this already, but Mike is a great guy to work with and knows a lot about the gear he sells. The unit came with a small USB stick that contained firmware and software and a little documentation. The unit is pretty easy to figure out, though, so I jumped right into building some configurations.

I chose to use the software via ethernet as my primary configuration interface, as that is going to be my normal use case. The front panel is usable, if not overly friendly. I had no trouble decyphering what it was telling me, but I wish they had charged me an extra $50 and put the better display in there, like they have on the up-model X series processors.

The computer software (XConsole) is OK. It is available for Mac or Windows, which makes life a little easier for me as a Mac user. Once I got through the hoops of setting the IP address on the device (easy) and getting the software to connect to the device (which took a few iterations, mostly because it was unclear what options had to be chosen in the software to get it to connect), it is pretty easy to understand. It is not nearly as well done as the software that QSC provides for their amps, for instance, but everything one can do is fairly easy to see and understand. My only real gripe, and this can be a big one for me, is that the "dialog boxes" that pop up when one goes to set a parameter seem to end up behind other elements on the screen. They're not really dialog boxes, either, just boxes that appear in the configuration window where one is working. Sometimes they're not visible at all, which means one must just use the backspace key to remove whatever is in the box, and then type a new value. This isn't the case for all input areas, but I noticed it especially in the boxes to enter names for inputs and outputs. It was easy enough to work around, but I really wish that was better.

Setting up and saving presets to the device is pretty easy. Naming is a little odd, as one is limited in how many characters one can enter, but the interface doesn't make it clear how many one is allowed. So, one can type a longer name for an input/output or preset name, and it will cut it off at some point while saving.

I set up presets for most of the configurations I had listed above, some with crossover filters and some without. I plan to eventually move the crossover filters to the DSP on the amplifier, and use the Xilica for system processing that I might want to adjust for specific events. At the moment, having the crossover filters in the Xilica is allowing me to tune those while I get used to the system. I have limiters set up on the amps for system protection, so I'm not using any additional limiters on the Xilica. Experimenting a bit with them, though, they sound pretty good and respond as I would expect. I was happy to see lots of choices for crossover filters in terms of type and slope. Additionally, I was happy with the matrix-like routing and mixing features that were available in the unit, which made my configurations pretty easy to implement and tune.

I came to the Xilica from years of using a DriveRack PA (the old version). While that was a great unit for what it was when I bought it, moving to the Xilica is a whole different world in terms of capabilities and quality. The DriveRack had noticeable artifacts and audio problems, but I was willing to deal with them because it was what I had. In this case, though, I'm quite glad I made the decision to get the Xilica. I evaluated the newer DriveRack units, as well as processors from Ashly. The XP-4080 delivered everything I needed at the right price. Chief among those were computer control available on the Mac, ethernet connectivity, and 4-in/8-out I/O. I didn't have a Lake budget, but I still wanted something that sounded good and gave me the control I wanted. At the time I made the choice, I wasn't sure what audio network I would have in place. Now that I've chosen Dante, I do wish I had been able to get a processor with Dante, but this is simple and allows me to keep the system flexible, which was a key design goal for the entire system.

I'm happy to answer any questions anyone might have, or provide more information. Please feel free to ask here or PM me.

jonathan
Logged
Jonathan Woytek
Dryrose Productions

Alexis Toumpouris

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1
Re: Xilica XP-4080
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2022, 01:03:47 AM »

Hello,

As I understood, Xilica discontinued all the crossover processors.
I tried to email them few times but no responses.

I was wondering if someone has and could kindly share with me the latest firmware update for xp4080.

Thanks
Logged

Mac Kerr

  • Old enough to know better
  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 7616
  • Audio Plumber
Posting Rules
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2022, 11:23:40 AM »

Hello,

As I understood, Xilica discontinued all the crossover processors.
I tried to email them few times but no responses.

I was wondering if someone has and could kindly share with me the latest firmware update for xp4080.

Thanks

Please go to your profile and change your name to your real full name as required by the posting rules.

Mac
admin
Logged

Jonathan Woytek

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 210
    • http://www.dryrose.com
Re: Xilica XP-4080 (updated)
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2023, 10:13:09 AM »

I try not to revive old topics, but since this one shows up in searches, I figured I would add an update here.

The Xilica unit was a solid performer for me for several years. I often worked in the same venues, so once I had presets configured for them, I generally didn't need to change things, and I would handle any further tweaks I needed at the console level. In the meantime, I upgraded my show laptop, and didn't install the Xilica Xconsole software because it just wasn't on my radar. About a year and a half ago, I was working in a new space and wanted to update some delay and system tuning for the room, and found that Xconsole was no longer available on the Xilica site. In fact, it seemed like they had sort of exited that market. I found a bunch of dead links and then realized that it wouldn't matter anyway, because to run it at all, I would have to run it in a virtual machine with an older operating system anyway. The front panel interface was always sub-optimal, so (after guessing the right passcode that had been set back in 2017), I saved a preset that removed the overall system delay but left the basic speaker processing in place, and then just handled delay and room tuning for that site in the console.

I realized that this was not a maintainable solution, and started to evaluate my options for a small system processor. My requirements list was not long, but high priority requirements were a full remote control interface over IP, some minimal front panel control, at least 2-in/3-out and preferrably 3-in/4-out, and something less than about $2k. I settled on the Allen & Heath AHM-16 matrix processor, and will post a review of that in the near future.

I've kept the Xilica as a backup for the moment, but it is going to age quickly at this point. It remained a solid performer and sounded good, but it just wasn't a path I could continue to follow. If someone reading this happens to be looking at a used unit, be aware that support is slim and software unavailable, and programming from the front panel is a suboptimal experience. It still sounds good and packs a lot of features into a small space, but you should either be getting it for a significant discount, or you might want to look at other offerings.
Logged
Jonathan Woytek
Dryrose Productions

Steve-White

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1635
  • Fort Worth
Re: Xilica XP-4080
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2023, 01:02:46 PM »

Hello,

As I understood, Xilica discontinued all the crossover processors.
I tried to email them few times but no responses.

I was wondering if someone has and could kindly share with me the latest firmware update for xp4080.

Thanks

A guy contacted my a couple of years ago pushing this stuff.  I was skeptical for this very reason and decided not to go this direction for this reason - just didn't see long term support being there.
Logged

John L Nobile

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2658
Re: Xilica XP-4080 (updated)
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2023, 01:20:59 PM »

I try not to revive old topics, but since this one shows up in searches, I figured I would add an update here.

The Xilica unit was a solid performer for me for several years. I often worked in the same venues, so once I had presets configured for them, I generally didn't need to change things, and I would handle any further tweaks I needed at the console level. In the meantime, I upgraded my show laptop, and didn't install the Xilica Xconsole software because it just wasn't on my radar. About a year and a half ago, I was working in a new space and wanted to update some delay and system tuning for the room, and found that Xconsole was no longer available on the Xilica site. In fact, it seemed like they had sort of exited that market. I found a bunch of dead links and then realized that it wouldn't matter anyway, because to run it at all, I would have to run it in a virtual machine with an older operating system anyway. The front panel interface was always sub-optimal, so (after guessing the right passcode that had been set back in 2017), I saved a preset that removed the overall system delay but left the basic speaker processing in place, and then just handled delay and room tuning for that site in the console.

I realized that this was not a maintainable solution, and started to evaluate my options for a small system processor. My requirements list was not long, but high priority requirements were a full remote control interface over IP, some minimal front panel control, at least 2-in/3-out and preferrably 3-in/4-out, and something less than about $2k. I settled on the Allen & Heath AHM-16 matrix processor, and will post a review of that in the near future.

I've kept the Xilica as a backup for the moment, but it is going to age quickly at this point. It remained a solid performer and sounded good, but it just wasn't a path I could continue to follow. If someone reading this happens to be looking at a used unit, be aware that support is slim and software unavailable, and programming from the front panel is a suboptimal experience. It still sounds good and packs a lot of features into a small space, but you should either be getting it for a significant discount, or you might want to look at other offerings.

I run XConsole on a Win 7 laptop that doesn't connect to the web. I'll have to look and see if I have a copy of the installer somewhere. It sure is handy.
Logged

Nathan Riddle

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2054
  • Niceville, FL
    • Nailed Productions
Re: Xilica XP-4080
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2023, 03:00:50 PM »

Xilica might not support the unit officially.

But the webpage is still available (though moved/not accessible easily)
https://www.xilica.com/products/xp-4080/

http://genius.xilica.com/en/collections/1229420-x-series
http://genius.xilica.com/en/articles/2171088-how-to-reset-your-x-series-password

here's 9.04 xconsole software

FWIW the new processors (open architecture, IO cards) is fully featured and very powerful.
They're a steal for the price they go for given the capabilities.
Logged
I'm just a guy trying to do the next right thing.

This business is for people with too much energy for desk jobs and too much brain for labor jobs. - Scott Helmke

Jonathan Woytek

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 210
    • http://www.dryrose.com
Re: Xilica XP-4080
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2023, 05:34:12 PM »

Xilica might not support the unit officially.

But the webpage is still available (though moved/not accessible easily)
[...]

Thanks for the links! I had found the docs a while back, IIRC, but I never found a working link to the control software. I'm still stuck there because I'm on a M1 now and I'd either need to run old Windows on an x86 emulator (painful, at best) or have an older system around just for that unit. Those factors definitely played into my decision to move to another solution, but I'm going to grab and archive this installer so that I can at least clean up that unit so that it is more suitable as a backup. Thank you!

[...]
FWIW the new processors (open architecture, IO cards) is fully featured and very powerful.
They're a steal for the price they go for given the capabilities.

I will be honest that I was a bit turned off on the company when I went looking for archived support information on older products and had to go digging on Google to find stuff. I don't expect any company to support products indefinitely, especially in the era of software-defined devices, but I do expect them to at least attempt to honor customers who still have their products in active use. Maybe I was in the minority with one of these units still in active use, but system processors seem to be one of those items that get installed and don't get much additional thought until they stop working or other system upgrades call for different capabilities. I don't know if Allen & Heath will be any better in this regard, but I'll have to see where we are in 5-6 years. :)
Logged
Jonathan Woytek
Dryrose Productions

Mike Pyle

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1220
  • Santa Rosa, CA
Re: Xilica XP-4080
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2023, 01:29:38 PM »

Xilica was the oem for several companies' branded processors, such as Danley's DSLP48. You can still find documentation and downloads at some of those websites.
Logged
Mike Pyle  Audiopyle Sound  707-315-6204
Dealer For: JBL, Soundcraft, Crown, dbx, AKG, Yorkville, EV, QSC, RCF, FBT, Danley Sound Labs, Meyer Sound, Fulcrum Acoustic, Tannoy, Lab Gruppen, Powersoft, Linea Research, EAW, Allen & Heath, Ashly, APB, Audix, One Systems, Presonus, K&M, Ultimate, Global Truss, Intellistage, SKB, Gator, Radial Engineering, Turbosound, Midas, dB Technologies, American DJ, Odyssey, ProCo, Rapco, CBI, Elation, Mipro, Chauvet, Blizzard, Shure, Whirlwind, Bassboss, Yamaha, Line 6, Behringer, On-Stage, more...

Caleb Dueck

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1738
  • Sierra Vista, AZ
Re: Xilica XP-4080
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2023, 02:30:22 PM »

Xilica was the oem for several companies' branded processors

They still are, such as Kramer, just not as many. 

Agree with Nathan, the QR1/FR1 are amazing - so much better than the older XD/XP series it's not even funny.  And for similar prices. 
Logged
Experience is something you get right after you need it.

ProSoundWeb Community

Re: Xilica XP-4080
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2023, 02:30:22 PM »


Pages: [1] 2  All   Go Up
 



Site Hosted By Ashdown Technologies, Inc.

Page created in 0.025 seconds with 23 queries.