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Title: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Ted Christensen on November 12, 2005, 04:56:48 pm
Just curious what everyones looks like, plus i took pictures lastnight so i wanted to show off see if anyone had any suggstions or comments.

A/H Gl2400-36 ch Behringer EQs/ Compressors / Gates
Lexicon MX200 verb unit.
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-11/1106173/FOH.jpg

Bridged subs. mono setup, Parralell Tops,
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-11/1106173/amps.jpg

5 mons, 4 mixes
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-11/1106173/band.jpg

(This per side)
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-11/1106173/speakers.jpg
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Ryan Lantzy on November 12, 2005, 05:46:51 pm
Dude, that rack of RMX's has GOT to be heavy.  I've got 5 amps in one rack and two of them are PLXs.  That is my limit.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Ted Christensen on November 12, 2005, 07:26:37 pm
Over 300 pounds i know that.

figure 43 pounds per amp. 7 amps.

do the math. thats 301 pounds. ( i was close)

It never leaves the ground, it has wheels and my trailer will have a ramp door.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Alfred_Mapanao on November 12, 2005, 08:03:42 pm
Ted Christensen wrote on Sat, 12 November 2005 16:26

... my trailer will have a ramp door.


I feel sorry for the ramp door  Laughing
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS on November 13, 2005, 12:43:52 am
Just for kicks one day I stacked a bunch of stuff up in front of my house.  The neighbors got pissed when I fired it up though. Laughing  7,000 watts of tops and 15,000 watts of subs got the street shakin' a little.
Very Happy


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Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on November 13, 2005, 01:48:11 am
*Sigh* Ill post some pics of my tiny rig. Smile

http://home.comcast.net/~riotweb/harfordsound/wpe39.jpg

Speakers and such...


http://home.comcast.net/~riotweb/harfordsound/wpe50.jpg


FOH with Tom's SoundCraft. I bought a new rack and added some toys since that pic was taken though...


Evan
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Baron Gray on November 13, 2005, 03:51:12 am
Aarrh.........Alesis Quadraverbs!! Razz

I still keep two in my rack. I love those old dogs. Very Happy

Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Baron Gray on November 13, 2005, 04:00:42 am
They look like 60 degree horns Shocked . Do you have some front fill or do you just get heaps from stage?

Tell that Bass player to wake up and shorten the strap. How can you play with any dexterity when the thing is around your ankles?
Young-ins......it's all about the look. Confused  
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Nathan Schwarzkopf on November 13, 2005, 04:06:12 am
Ted

How do like the 2x 255s a side compaired to just one. I have 2 of the 255s's and am wondering if I should dump the cash for some dual 18" or if an other set will work.

Nice Rig

Nathan Schwarzkopf

Here's a pic of our DJ club rig.  It's not a good pic but none of mine are.  I do feel the greenery is a nice touch though.

If your interested...

www.ntsound.com

Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Baron Gray on November 13, 2005, 04:26:28 am
Geez...
Two MT4Ls, per side, with  seriously close turntables!!! Confused
If they are the 18s then I hope you have some very large loaders and good medical insurance.

You must be packing some amplifier power to run those suckers.

Baron

Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Baron Gray on November 13, 2005, 04:41:47 am
15,000W+7,000W = 22,000W!
I assume that you have three phase in the garage Shocked

What do you use the 8024 for?

Baron

Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Antone Atmarama Bajor on November 13, 2005, 06:31:10 am
Uh Heres a silly little bass rigs I threw together.

     And now I have 8 BT7's talk about overkill in the sub headroom dept.



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Oh Yah well I can produce 30Hz @ 149+dB if I want.  Twisted Evil  


Good god why do I feel so I'll!!!  Crying or Very Sad

Antone-
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Antone Atmarama Bajor on November 13, 2005, 06:33:56 am
Uhh heres my um ur uh portable bass rig.



index.php/fa/3089/0/

Antone-
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Tom Reid on November 13, 2005, 10:16:04 am
Quote:

FOH with Tom's SoundCraft.


Tom doesn't put tape all over his Soundcraft.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS on November 13, 2005, 11:27:13 am
Baron Gray wrote on Sun, 13 November 2005 02:41

15,000W+7,000W = 22,000W!
I assume that you have three phase in the garage Shocked

What do you use the 8024 for?

Baron




I just plug straight into the panel! Very Happy

I watch the RTA with a measurement mic during some events with the 8024.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Tom Manchester on November 13, 2005, 11:55:42 am
Nathan Schwarzkopf wrote on Sun, 13 November 2005 04:06

Ted

Nathan Schwarzkopf

Here's a pic of our DJ club rig.  It's not a good pic but none of mine are.  I do feel the greenery is a nice touch though.

If your interested...

www.ntsound.com




That poor lady...did you crank up the mtl4's and knock her over with bass Surprised ?
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Lee Patzius on November 13, 2005, 12:19:10 pm
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Nathan Schwarzkopf wrote on Sun, 13 November 2005 04:06

  I do feel the greenery is a nice touch though.



Well yes, I see what you mean.   Shocked  
And Tom M, from my perspective, she's younger than a "lady"!
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Nathan Schwarzkopf on November 13, 2005, 12:27:24 pm
I didn't run that show but I did do one with the same rig that this fellow was trying to stick his head through the screen.  So we decided to see how much abuse he cound take before he left.  On the 260 I started on the low gain at -6.0 and walked it up slowly to 1.8 before he picked up his backpack and finally left.  It was early in the evening so there were not many people in the room to hear the Bass wash.  But thats the way the DJ's are they want more "18's" than you can shake a stick at.  Its fine with me, the more they want be to bring in the less I have to turn it up and the less abuse they take.

NS
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: RicBlade on November 13, 2005, 01:11:31 pm
Baron Gray wrote on Sun, 13 November 2005 04:26

Geez...
Two MT4Ls, per side, with  seriously close turntables!!! Confused

Baron





Those are Pioneer CD players, no feedback worries there Wink


I LOVE the *in your friggin' face* monitor placement though  Laughing
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Andy Peters on November 13, 2005, 02:15:49 pm
Ted Christensen wrote on Sat, 12 November 2005 14:56

Just curious what everyones looks like, plus i took pictures lastnight so i wanted to show off see if anyone had any suggstions or comments.


Why are the comps and gates on the floor?

Put them in a smaller rack that you can set up at a height that doesn't require you to squat on the floor to adjust the things.

And since you're gonna ask "how often during a set does a dynamics processor need to be adjusted?" the answer is: the band plays a slower/quieter song so the drummer plays softer.  As a result, the gates won't open, or will click, unless they're readjusted or bypassed.

I see this soooooo often it makes me wonder if the dude mixing actually knows what the fuck he's doing.

-a
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Joel North on November 13, 2005, 02:34:48 pm
Ted,
what do you use that PC for?
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: dave stojan on November 13, 2005, 03:09:36 pm
Andy Peters wrote on Sun, 13 November 2005 19:15

Ted Christensen wrote on Sat, 12 November 2005 14:56

Just curious what everyones looks like, plus i took pictures lastnight so i wanted to show off see if anyone had any suggstions or comments.


Why are the comps and gates on the floor?

Put them in a smaller rack that you can set up at a height that doesn't require you to squat on the floor to adjust the things.

And since you're gonna ask "how often during a set does a dynamics processor need to be adjusted?" the answer is: the band plays a slower/quieter song so the drummer plays softer.  As a result, the gates won't open, or will click, unless they're readjusted or bypassed.

I see this soooooo often it makes me wonder if the dude mixing actually knows what the fuck he's doing.

-a


Andy you're such a realist. Ya worry me 'cuz that's what I was thinking! Tiring of wiring a rack full of crap, I have joined the O1V96 camp. Now if I could just find an ADA8000 in stock (backordered from American Musical Supply since mid October).

BTW anyone got some inside poop on O1V file formats so I can do some custom programming? Cursoring to each stinking letter sucks. Now that I've paid hard earned cash I guess Yamaha can come out with version III that accepts a USB keyboard. FWIWBIT (for what it's worth besides I'm tipsy) the O1V96V2 Midi interface works well with the MD8. Heck, if you're gonna hijack a thread go for the gusto, eh? My apologies to all in advance. What a week Crying or Very Sad
Title: Re: Yamaha Studio Manager
Post by: Mac Kerr on November 13, 2005, 03:18:35 pm
dave stojan wrote on Sun, 13 November 2005 15:09

BTW anyone got some inside poop on O1V file formats so I can do some custom programming? Cursoring to each stinking letter sucks. Now that I've paid hard earned cash I guess Yamaha can come out with version III that accepts a USB keyboard. FWIWBIT (for what it's worth besides I'm tipsy) the O1V96V2 Midi interface works well with the MD8. Heck, if you're gonna hijack a thread go for the gusto, eh? My apologies to all in advance. What a week Crying or Very Sad

Why use a USB keyboard and only be able to type when you can use your laptop and Studio Manager and be able to type as well as access all the features of the console. It is much faster to patch via SM, and the channel view is much easier to read than the actual console when you are trying to see how everything is set up.

Mac
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Andy Spalla on November 13, 2005, 03:35:50 pm
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My rig. Don't laugh. I have added a few things since this pic. My first show with this rig is in less than a week for my friend's band at the local "Teen Center," which used to be a town storage shed. What's funny is that there is a shed style venue just 100ft away. The town had the Beach Boys and Creedence Clearwater play there recently. I told him I'd do it for free to get my name out there. A lot of the local bands know me, but they don't know I have my own business now.  Razz
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Jamin Lynch on November 13, 2005, 08:10:22 pm
Here ya go!!
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Ted Christensen on November 13, 2005, 09:00:31 pm
I jumped right up from using a pair of EV Eliminator 1x18s and a pair of crate 1x18s to this 4 subs. I push 1400 watts into each one. I couldnt tell you about to. It is a big differnce from what i use to have. Big thump.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Ted Christensen on November 13, 2005, 09:01:49 pm
I use the PC For recording my gigs and music inbetween. Just a 4 input soundcard. I subgroup bass guitar and vocals on one and then guitar and drums on another.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Bob Cap on November 13, 2005, 09:07:22 pm
To heck with those crappy black boxes.

More pictures of the chicks!

Bob Cap
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on November 13, 2005, 09:10:08 pm
Bob Cap wrote on Sun, 13 November 2005 21:07

To heck with those crappy black boxes.

More pictures of the chicks!

Bob Cap



Can do:

http://ansc.une.edu.au/ansc/poultry/chick.jpg


Laughing


Evan
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Gary Welker on November 13, 2005, 10:16:56 pm
Here's what I have.

GL2200/24
EV SXa100
EV SX1180 Sub
Mackie SRM450
Yamaha MS400
Berhinger comps
ART EQs
Denon CD/Cassette
JVC CD Recorder
DBX Driverack
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Jonathan Woytek on November 13, 2005, 11:42:41 pm
Some pictures from some fairly recent shows..  

First up, FoH-only shot, including high-school-student assistant, from a local high-school production of The Crucible:
http://www.dryrose.com/~woytek/dryrose-vhs-crucible.jpg

Next, FoH from an outdoor festival over the summer.  Included in this one is the laptop-based 24-track recording and analysis rig.  Woot, as they say:
http://www.dryrose.com/~woytek/dryrose-osp-2.jpg

Finally, the full PA rig for the above festival, including the trusty VOTT's, early Yorkville dual-10" monitors, old Yamaha monitors, and two big honkin' Yorkville subs.  mmm.  This was the first gig for the DriveRack, and it earned its keep and then some.  This is also the first time I've been able to run the VOTTs with decent subs, and it was great.  
http://www.dryrose.com/~woytek/dryrose-osp-1.jpg

jonathan
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Bob Cap on November 14, 2005, 08:50:21 am
Hey baby....and you thought he was an early riser?

Bob
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Jamin Lynch on November 14, 2005, 11:45:13 am
EEEEHAAAAA!!!  Very Happy  It is South Texas ya know. We play both kinds of music...."country & western"  Laughing
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Mike Butler (media) on November 14, 2005, 05:27:25 pm
Nathan Schwarzkopf wrote on Sun, 13 November 2005 04:06

Ted

How do like the 2x 255s a side compaired to just one. I have 2 of the 255s's and am wondering if I should dump the cash for some dual 18" or if an other set will work.

Nice Rig

Nathan Schwarzkopf

Here's a pic of our DJ club rig.  It's not a good pic but none of mine are.  I do feel the greenery is a nice touch though.

If your interested...

www.ntsound.com



Yeah, nice greenery! Very Happy (especially the green tank top)
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Eric Snodgrass on November 14, 2005, 06:50:13 pm
Lee Patzius wrote on Sun, 13 November 2005 09:19

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Nathan Schwarzkopf wrote on Sun, 13 November 2005 04:06

  I do feel the greenery is a nice touch though.



Well yes, I see what you mean.   Shocked  
And Tom M, from my perspective, she's younger than a "lady"!

If she's older than Tom then she's a lady.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Jeff Knorr - Cobra Sound on November 14, 2005, 07:43:52 pm
Here's a pic that shows most of our toys:
6 - Yorkville EF500PB
4 - Yorkville LS800PB
1 - DriveRack 260
1 - Mackie TT24
1 - 24 track/24bit recording rig

Obviously, I'm a digital child.  That's my father at the board and a friend in the pic.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS on November 14, 2005, 08:07:32 pm
Jeff,

Is that an optical illusion or are you guys set up about 9000 ft away from the stage?
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Ted Christensen on November 14, 2005, 08:19:05 pm
me? no. Im not even 75 feet away.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. 10 ys ago
Post by: Ivan Beaver on November 14, 2005, 08:36:49 pm
Here is 10 yrs ago.  1/2 of the cabs are cut off in the photo.index.php/fa/3114/0/
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. 20 yrs ago
Post by: Ivan Beaver on November 14, 2005, 08:40:09 pm
Almost 20 yrs ago. Note this is not how the cabs were stacked when used-just for photo.  I'm the bald guy in the middle.

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Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS on November 14, 2005, 08:47:58 pm
Hey Ivan,  Two questions fo ryou about the pic from '88.

What are the mixers in the photo?

Could you give us a comparison of what boxes and how many it would take to provide a similar amout of coverage as you had as shown in the photo?
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Ivan Beaver on November 14, 2005, 09:00:27 pm
Just after that photo in 88 was taken, I started moving away from the seperate boxes to my "thunder boxes" (2x15" + 12" + 2") and started using 2x18" subs and Servodrive SDL5's (predicessor to the BT7)  I didn't have a lot of power in those days-most of it I built.  The large cabinet loading helped with the level issue and the large horns helped in pattern control-but I didn't know about combfiltering in those days so it was not a problem! Laughing  Laughing   I used those boxes as rental units for years after.  BTW I built all the boxes except 6.  It took a long time to wire up that rig.  It was used for a lot of metal and punk gigs-along with some more "sane" shows.

The mixers that are shown are a 16 channel Biamp 1621, a Kelsey 24x4, and a Studiomixer II 32x8 that was made by the guy that designed the studiomaster series (a lot better back then than it is today) with a bunch of upgrades.  I was still using the first 2 mixers I built (a 6 channel and a 12 channel) for rental and small stuff.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. more answer
Post by: Ivan Beaver on November 14, 2005, 09:25:54 pm
Sorry, but I just realized that I did not answer your question completely.  Back in those days the JBL's that I used were rated at 200 watt RMS 400 music, and those were the powerful speakers back then. As far as output goes, the modern day equalivalent would be probably 1/4 the size with an overall better sound.  You would have to push more power into it however to get it as loud.  The large horns helped with sensitivity.  The largest ones in the photo are 120lbs each!  That is with JBL 2445 drivers and a heavy cast horn and a large case with a removable front and wheels.  The mids were JBL E130's which have a high sensitivity-espically on the 4560 horns. The lows are where I was lacking the most, but did fine when I added the 2x18"'s.  I never took another photo of the system and don't have any of other than small gigs with my "thunder boxes" (many of which are still in use in the Wash DC area).  I was waiting till I got larger to take another photo.  And then I had the big theft. And that was that.  But that is another story.

Here is a photo of a couple "thunder boxes", the wider 90* version (I had 60 and 90 degree versions) at a High school after school party, with my favorite mixer of the time-a modified Biamp 2442.index.php/fa/3117/0/
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. more answer
Post by: Mike Pyle on November 14, 2005, 09:38:17 pm
Good thing they had the fence for crowd control. It looks like it could have gotten ugly!  Smile
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Mike Butler (media) on November 14, 2005, 09:55:23 pm
OK, my gear is packed away, and I'm not gonna dig it out just for a picture, due to a broken leg Crying or Very Sad so I'll start with my home office.

The Crown IC-150/D-150 and the ADS 910s (one is visible in this shot) have been with me at least 25 years. Not shown are the production mixer, KEF nearfield monitors, video editing & duplication stuff etc. etc.
And no dancing girls.  Laughing

cheers
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. 20 yrs ago
Post by: Bob Cap on November 15, 2005, 09:25:22 am
Jeez, talk about deja vue.....

Back in the 70's I had a very similar system. Your's looks like a pile of Heil gear?

I made a fiberglass mold of the 4560 and the 2350. We made a shitload of them. Used the RCA 7' folded horn for bottom end. Powered them with the big crown DC300's and the trash linear 700's on the bottom end.

I think the main mixer we had back then was a very heavy Yamaha PM1K 16 channel.

There was no comb filtering back then....only loud volumn.

Nothing like 12 RCA 7's on each side of the stage for serious low end.

Thanks I needed that flashback...

Bob Cap
Advanced Audio
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Bob Cap on November 15, 2005, 09:34:09 am
I got lost in the 70's and forgot to even talk about my system of today. I'll have to see if I can find some photos and I'll post them. For now a list of what I usually take out:

1 - Yamaha DM1000 48 channel digital
4 - Yamaha 01v 12 channel digital
6 - Crown 3600
4 - Crown 5000
8 - MacPherson Monoliths
8 - Macpherson Single 18 subs
12 - RCF ART500A Monitors

Plus lots and lots of more gear. My game plan is if it doesn’t fit in a small truck I don’t want to do it anymore.

Thanks

Bob Cap
Advanced Audio

Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. 20 yrs ago
Post by: Ivan Beaver on November 15, 2005, 12:35:32 pm
None of it was Heil-but Heil Sound used alot of the same type boxes, However my "bible" back then was  "A practical guide to Concert Sound" by Bob Heil.  I copied the color scheme he used-I thought it was different and "cool".  I used his stack and splay technique when doing shows, and it worked well for me.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Mike Butler (media) on November 15, 2005, 01:29:27 pm
Hey Bob, speaking of flashbacks...

http://www.thewho.net/whotabs/equipment/equip-pa.htm
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Ken Dowell on November 15, 2005, 02:52:43 pm
Man, talk about a flashback! I saw the Who in Phili in '75 and it was THE loudest show I have ever been to! Couldn't tell you the provider or even what cabs but it was SCREAMIN'. They were even louder than Ted Nugent and his rig for '75 tour was supposed to be 150,000 watts! Took 3 - 4 days to get most of my hearing back! Thanks for the walk down memory lane Mike! Very Happy
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. 20 yrs ago
Post by: Adam Norton on November 15, 2005, 03:12:08 pm
Wow, see you've got some Karlson boxes in there, don't see too many of them around nowadays do ya (in fact i'm pretty sure i've never seen one in the flesh)
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Jeff Knorr - Cobra Sound on November 15, 2005, 03:59:31 pm
RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS wrote on Mon, 14 November 2005 20:07

Jeff,

Is that an optical illusion or are you guys set up about 9000 ft away from the stage?


We're probably about 125 feet from the stacks in that picture.  We had audience members seated up to another 75-100 feet behind us as well.  This picture was taken at a four day music festival with about 50 hours of live music on that stage.  I personally didn't want to be any closer so that me and my crew weren't exposed to the long-term higher SPL's.  The audience would turn over several times during the day so there wasn't as much of an issue for them.

Jeff
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. 20 yrs ago
Post by: Ivan Beaver on November 15, 2005, 08:23:50 pm
Those are Maryland Sound Industries 1/2 clams.  The full clam is 4-15" in one cabinet. Those were 2 of the cabinets that I didn't build.  Those things were like tanks.  They had threaded rod attacked with turnbuckles holding the sides together.  Of course they were birch.  I used them quite a bit in single stack systems  and sometimes sidefills with a 4560 as mid and 2" as top.  They were easy to move around/stack and did a decent job.  How they compare to modern cabinets, I can't say.  I would love to make some measurements on a lot of that stuff now, just for fun.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Tom Manchester on November 15, 2005, 10:27:29 pm
Here is my FOH, I don't have any pictures of the new amp rack at the moment but I will try to get them up tonight or tommorow. mains are yamaha s112iv, subs are yorkville ls608.
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Title: Re: You show me yours, I'll show you mine
Post by: Bennett Prescott on November 15, 2005, 10:41:16 pm
Here's an excellent example of my QW rig deployed poorly:
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Title: Re: You show me yours, I'll show you mine
Post by: Bennett Prescott on November 15, 2005, 10:42:20 pm
Aaaand a closeup...
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Title: Re: You show me yours, I'll show you mine
Post by: Bennett Prescott on November 15, 2005, 10:43:07 pm
Aaaand a mess of cabling...
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Title: Re: You show me yours, I'll show you mine
Post by: Bennett Prescott on November 15, 2005, 10:44:46 pm
And here's FOH with the MixWiz from an unrelated A Cappella show... no reason to haul out that (Huge! Heavy! Possibly a 2-man lift!) 24 channel board when I'm only using 5 channels and one monitor...
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Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Mike Butler (media) on November 15, 2005, 11:34:33 pm
Ken Dowell wrote on Tue, 15 November 2005 14:52

Man, talk about a flashback! I saw the Who in Phili in '75 and it was THE loudest show I have ever been to! Couldn't tell you the provider or even what cabs but it was SCREAMIN'. They were even louder than Ted Nugent and his rig for '75 tour was supposed to be 150,000 watts! Took 3 - 4 days to get most of my hearing back! Thanks for the walk down memory lane Mike! Very Happy

My pleasure, Ken!

When people ask me why I use SM58s, the answer is two words, "Roger Daltrey" (as in it's the only mic he doesn't know how to destroy). I noticed tonight on the CMA Awards show on CBS from Madison Square Garden, most of the wirelesses were 58s, maybe because we all know how to mix those, right?

Anyway, I got a kick out of seeing all those VOX and Marshall amps and stacks, I remember when they were new (and scary), and EL-34 tubes were something to be reckoned with. (actuallly. there are still some audiophiles who have orgasms over those things...they should soooo get over it; transmitter tubes like KT88s or 6550s totally trump them--that's what my McIntosh MC60's used).

As a survivor of the Flame Linear 400 and 700 era (and disco), I find it fun to think about how far we have (and haven't) come.
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Post by: Mike Butler (media) on November 15, 2005, 11:37:20 pm
Bennett Prescott wrote on Tue, 15 November 2005 22:44

And here's FOH with the MixWiz from an unrelated A Cappella show... no reason to haul out that (Huge! Heavy! Possibly a 2-man lift!) 24 channel board when I'm only using 5 channels and one monitor...
index.php/fa/3134/0/


HEY! What are you running on that PowerBook?
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Post by: Dave Rickard on November 15, 2005, 11:46:49 pm
Bennett,

What kind of pop-up case is that MixWiz in?

Dave
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Post by: Andy Peters on November 16, 2005, 12:10:04 am
"the new" Mike Butler wrote on Tue, 15 November 2005 21:34

Anyway, I got a kick out of seeing all those VOX and Marshall amps and stacks, I remember when they were new (and scary), and EL-34 tubes were something to be reckoned with.


Too bad all of the "new" Voxes are new Marshalls.  And the new Marshalls ain't all that good.

Quote:

(actuallly. there are still some audiophiles who have orgasms over those things...they should soooo get over it; transmitter tubes like KT88s or 6550s totally trump them--that's what my McIntosh MC60's used).


When Marshalls were first imported into the US, they used 6550 output tubes.  It took quite a while, and a change of distributor, before EL34s were used in stateside models.

Anyways, what all this REALLY shows you is how far country has strayed from its roots.  Marshalls are "rock" amps, and the real Voxes powered the British Invasion.  Ain't no twang there 'tall.

Given a choice between Fender and Marshall, I choose Ampeg!  Linden, NJ.

-a
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Post by: ChuckRogers on November 16, 2005, 12:12:25 am
Wow - please tell me you have truck with a lift-gate....
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Post by: Matt Lillie on November 16, 2005, 12:17:49 am
I KNOW you've heard me say this before... Start at the rack, slack at the stack...

Smile

Your polarity swap is at the shop.

Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Tom Manchester on November 16, 2005, 12:24:09 am
Well as promised the "power" side of my Rig:
index.php/fa/3135/0/

Bottom Rack is one I just custom made. It is my "A" rig mains power rack. It includes a custom made (by me Cool) i/o plate with an xlr for the mains, an xlr for the spare crossover channel, 2 speakon outs for highs and lows, a lighted switch for the auxilary fan in the back of the rack, and a hubbel twistlock for power in. Under that is a DOD sr-835 (don't hate me please, it works just fine) crossover. A microtech 1200 for top box power and my brand new xs900 for subs.

The other amp racks are used interchangeably for "B" rig power or monitors.

Also shown in the picture on the right are my yorkville subs, and on the left are my speakerplans.com HD15 "B" rig and drum monitor subs. Yes, I will get around to painting the bottoms of them one of these days!
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Post by: Bennett Prescott on November 16, 2005, 12:47:44 am
"the new" Mike Butler wrote on Tue, 15 November 2005 23:37

HEY! What are you running on that PowerBook?


A... mail client? Wink Usually it's doing MacFOH or SpectraFoo and recording the show for me.
Title: Re: You show me yours, I'll show you mine
Post by: Bennett Prescott on November 16, 2005, 12:49:41 am
That's the SKB Pop-Up rack, Dave. $250 or so, I believe. I think Gator (Matt, back me up on this?) now makes an alternative that's deeper, has wheels and a handle, and has a nice wrist rest. Might let you keep that connector pod rotated out, with the SKB case you have to fold it in to make it fit. Otherwise a very durable case, though.
Title: Re: You show me yours, I'll show you mine
Post by: Bennett Prescott on November 16, 2005, 12:53:31 am
Hey, hired help, what can I say. 'Sides, that's all power slack with a little bit of drive line slack. If you look to the left, you'll see my speaker line slack dutifully coiled behind my subs, mister Razz

Let me know when that replacement LF driver comes in and I'll find some excuse to make it into town.
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Post by: Steve Oldridge on November 16, 2005, 01:18:25 am
Bennett Prescott wrote on Tue, 15 November 2005 23:49

That's the SKB Pop-Up rack, Dave. $250 or so, I believe. I think Gator (Matt, back me up on this?) now makes an alternative that's deeper, has wheels and a handle, and has a nice wrist rest. Might let you keep that connector pod rotated out, with the SKB case you have to fold it in to make it fit. Otherwise a very durable case, though.


Bennett - I got a MixWiz 2 in [what looks to be] the same SKB case (paid about $100 from a local church vendor) and it fits in there just fine without having to be 'folded in'.. Been running mine that way for 18 months now...  Just lift to desired angle for work. Then raise all the way to top to release and set back down into case. Put on top and lock latches.. done !!

Steve
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Jason Ketchem on November 16, 2005, 03:10:21 am
index.php/fa/3138/0/

Some of our rax
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Post by: Jason Ketchem on November 16, 2005, 03:12:57 am

a stack
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Post by: Jason Ketchem on November 16, 2005, 03:22:10 am
FOH
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Post by: Lee Patzius on November 16, 2005, 09:50:01 am
Yeah that'll about do it.  Cool
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Post by: Brad Gibson on November 16, 2005, 10:10:09 am
I wanted to post my pics but I can not figure out how to get my pics to load Rolling Eyes Can some one please give some advise.

Brad Gibson
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Mike McNany on November 16, 2005, 10:29:00 am
Simple, fairly light, and able to be loud for a bar band. Right side stack, notice the "have to keep open" path to the exit in the MIDDLE OF THE STAGE AREA  Rolling Eyes index.php/fa/3144/0/
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Mike McNany on November 16, 2005, 10:59:10 am
Simple lightweight power, 1602 2x monitors, 3002 tops in stereo, 2402 subs bridged. DRPA has since been moved to FOH rack, replaced with a filler panel and an extra input added to the I/O panel in rear.
index.php/fa/3148/0/
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on November 16, 2005, 04:06:17 pm
Heres a more updated shot of just my gear. I took it yesterday before band practice:
FOH:

index.php/fa/3154/0/
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on November 16, 2005, 04:07:06 pm
And the amps:
index.php/fa/3155/0/
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Mike Butler (media) on November 16, 2005, 06:02:07 pm
Andy Peters wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 00:10

Given a choice between Fender and Marshall, I choose Ampeg!  Linden, NJ.

-a

...Ah yes, Ampeg (along with Crate) the latest member to join the Mackie "family."

My friend's Ampeg would shake the walls.

Hey Evan, what's that little Peavey combo on top of the rack?
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Ted Christensen on November 16, 2005, 06:05:02 pm
what are your thoughts on crate?
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Mike Butler (media) on November 16, 2005, 06:22:05 pm
Ted Christensen wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 18:05

what are your thoughts on crate?

I dunno. I tried one of their little PowerBlock heads through a Marshall 4x12 cab, and it was plenty loud.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on November 16, 2005, 07:16:09 pm
My Desk at Foh

01V96 with laptop. Laptop is for Studio Manager,Smaart and music playback.

index.php/fa/3156/0/

Douglas R. Allen

Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on November 16, 2005, 07:18:52 pm
"the new" Mike Butler wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 18:02

Andy Peters wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 00:10

Given a choice between Fender and Marshall, I choose Ampeg!  Linden, NJ.

-a


Hey Evan, what's that little Peavey combo on top of the rack?


Little ol' Peavey Envoy 110. Works great for me. When people ask why I use that instead of a stack I say: "I dont need no stinkin   Marshal stack amp.. Ive got a PA and a mic." Smile


Evan
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on November 16, 2005, 07:21:14 pm
FOH Mains. Yorkville Ef500p's / LS800p's.
99% of the time I go with subs in center with tops on sticks.
I was just trying this setup when I took this picture.

index.php/fa/3157/0/

I have Peavey sp1g's and yamaha LS400's as well.

Douglas R. Allen

Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on November 16, 2005, 07:25:28 pm
Monitor rack for 15's and horns.

index.php/fa/3158/0/

Douglas R. Allen

Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Jamin Lynch on November 16, 2005, 07:31:38 pm
Here's some amps I used. I guess I could have dusted them off a little. Do any of you use filters on the CE's?
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Jim Duyck on November 16, 2005, 08:06:34 pm
It does crack me up to see people playing stuff like Keith Urban does - Matchless, Bad Cat, Bogner - but he can actually play the guitar unlike half the other frontmen out there.  I guess good guitar tone is good tone - but a Marshall???  Unless it's an old plexi or an 18 watt, that's plain silly.  I'm pretty sure I remember seeing somebody playing a Gibson Flying V or an Explorer on the last country awards show I saw...I almost fell off the couch laughing!!!  What happened to a good ole Tele?

For me personally,...I think Keith could spare me an amp.... Very Happy
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Tom faderjockey Brandis on November 16, 2005, 08:37:07 pm
FOH rack. Just got a new GL2400 and MixWiz3 with sys-link.

Tom in Baltimore
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Post by: Brad Gibson on November 16, 2005, 08:45:55 pm
Here you go!index.php/fa/3163/0/
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Brad Gibson on November 16, 2005, 08:47:15 pm
Mixers.
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Post by: Brad Gibson on November 16, 2005, 08:49:45 pm
FOH
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Post by: Brad Gibson on November 16, 2005, 08:51:36 pm
DRUM FILLindex.php/fa/3166/0/
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Post by: Brad Gibson on November 16, 2005, 08:53:58 pm
MONITORSindex.php/fa/3167/0/
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Post by: Evan Kirkendall on November 16, 2005, 08:56:09 pm
index.php/fa/3168/0/

Poor Concrete cracking from all that bass. Smile

Sweet SRX rig btw.


Evan
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Mike Butler (media) on November 16, 2005, 09:41:46 pm
Jim Duyck wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 20:06

It does crack me up to see people playing stuff like Keith Urban does - Matchless, Bad Cat, Bogner - but he can actually play the guitar unlike half the other frontmen out there.  I guess good guitar tone is good tone - but a Marshall???  Unless it's an old plexi or an 18 watt, that's plain silly.  I'm pretty sure I remember seeing somebody playing a Gibson Flying V or an Explorer on the last country awards show I saw...I almost fell off the couch laughing!!!  What happened to a good ole Tele?

For me personally,...I think Keith could spare me an amp.... Very Happy

Hell, I saw plenty of Tele's last night on the CMAs, plus tonight on the "Walk the Line" concert...along with the random Firebirds, Explorers, etc.

Ampeg fans would be pleased to note that the only backline equipment visible in Sheryl Crow's segment was her bass player's fliptop Ampeg.

What cracked me up is the Big & Rich video where they turn a Flying V into a flying spacecraft or something. Laughing

Hey, Urban plays pretty good...for an Aussie! Laughing  Laughing
Title: Re: You show me yours, I'll show you mine
Post by: Bennett Prescott on November 16, 2005, 10:18:57 pm
Steve Oldridge wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 01:18

Bennett - I got a MixWiz 2 in [what looks to be] the same SKB case (paid about $100 from a local church vendor) and it fits in there just fine without having to be 'folded in'.


Huh... they must have updated the case or something, 'cause even with my connector pod folded flat there's damn little clearance... not even enough, IIRC, for the power cord to lie under the pod, it's gotta be tucked back where it's out of the way.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Raymon Sanchez on November 16, 2005, 11:47:33 pm
Brad

What are you powering srx rig with? Subs and Tops?

Thanks
Raymon
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Raymon Sanchez on November 17, 2005, 12:00:13 am
Sorry put the large file in, this is the small one.

Raymon
DDS Proindex.php/fa/3176/0/
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Clayton Luckie on November 17, 2005, 03:27:13 am
Since you put the smaller picture in, can you please delete the larger one?  I hate the horizontal scroll  Smile

cl
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Brad Gibson on November 17, 2005, 10:20:19 am
ddspro wrote on Thu, 17 November 2005 04:47

Brad

What are you powering srx rig with? Subs and Tops?

Thanks
Raymon

QSC PLX 2402 TOPS
QSC PLX 3402 SUBS
DRIVE RACK PA X 2
SUBS ON AN AUX

Brad G
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Post by: Andy Peters on November 17, 2005, 02:15:52 pm
"the new" Mike Butler wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 16:02

Andy Peters wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 00:10

Given a choice between Fender and Marshall, I choose Ampeg!  Linden, NJ.

-a

...Ah yes, Ampeg (along with Crate) the latest member to join the Mackie "family."


My Ampegs are as old as I am.

-a
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Andy Peters on November 17, 2005, 02:18:19 pm
"the new" Mike Butler wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 19:41

Ampeg fans would be pleased to note that the only backline equipment visible in Sheryl Crow's segment was her bass player's fliptop Ampeg.


I have one of those, too.  1967.  Funny, I bought it from Jim Mastro's Guitar Bar in Hoboken, and when I picked it up, Fred Smith from Televsion was the cashier.

Look up "Fred Smith" and "Television" to see why this is relevant.

-a
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Mike {AB} Butler on November 17, 2005, 02:55:14 pm
Andy Peters wrote on Thu, 17 November 2005 11:18



I have one of those, too.  1967.  Funny, I bought it from Jim Mastro's Guitar Bar in Hoboken, and when I picked it up, Fred Smith from Televsion was the cashier.

Look up "Fred Smith" and "Television" to see why this is relevant.

-a

So, are you saying it was the same guy.. or just an eerie coincidence? Wauuuu, maannn..  Shocked
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Garry Wilson on November 18, 2005, 11:58:59 am
Drive Rack


Garry W.
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Post by: Garry Wilson on November 18, 2005, 12:05:50 pm
FOH Amp Rack

PLX 3002 - Monitors, when doing only 2 monitor mixes
PLX 3402 - Tops
(2)PL230s - Bridged ea Sub

DBX 223XL  xvr
Symetrix 533E EQ


Monitor Amp Rack

PLX 3002
PLX 3402

DBX 223XL  xvr
DBX 1231 EQ
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Garry Wilson on November 18, 2005, 12:06:49 pm
FOH Position

Garry W
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Garry Wilson on November 18, 2005, 12:09:57 pm
Speakers, I want twice as many SRX's, like Brad. MP415s for monitors as well.

Garry Windex.php/fa/3199/0/
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Scott Moseley on November 20, 2005, 03:42:32 pm
my new mixer rack
index.php/fa/3210/0/
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Post by: Scott Moseley on November 20, 2005, 03:44:27 pm
One of these on each side
index.php/fa/3211/0/
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Post by: Scott Moseley on November 20, 2005, 03:45:58 pm
and the amps:
index.php/fa/3213/0/

MODIFIED - forgot to compress it!!
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Post by: Bennett Prescott on November 20, 2005, 04:54:32 pm
Hey Scott,

Tell whoever's managing your website to point http://poproxx.com to http://www.poproxx.com.
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Post by: Scott Moseley on November 20, 2005, 05:24:11 pm
Thanks Bennett - just sent an e-mail!

Scott

EDIT - Fixed - thanks again Bennett!
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Chuck Safrit on November 20, 2005, 07:16:30 pm
There is nothing special just a small no frills setup. It works while im working on building up a larger rig.
index.php/fa/3216/0/
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Antone Atmarama Bajor on November 20, 2005, 08:30:46 pm
     Damn Your FOH sure is compact.
I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like it.

I bet it'll rip your head of at like 2"

Damn what are those full range 5" er's

I bet that thing sounds tits!!!

Antone-
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Brad Gibson on November 20, 2005, 09:32:10 pm
No work this week so I was messing around a bit and took some pics.  

index.php/fa/3225/0/
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: John Penkala on November 20, 2005, 09:57:17 pm
Scott,
    I hope all is well. I would love to know where you picked up that double-wide mixer rack.

John Penkala
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Post by: Dan Brown on November 20, 2005, 10:15:29 pm
here you go.
http://srforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/m/85418/7439/?SQ=d 0123533771f5df2e8339a6e91225dee#msg_85418

sincerely,
db
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. 20 yrs ago
Post by: Kenny Webber on November 20, 2005, 10:49:13 pm
Ivan Beaver wrote on Tue, 15 November 2005 13:35

None of it was Heil-but Heil Sound used alot of the same type boxes, However my "bible" back then was  "A practical guide to Concert Sound" by Bob Heil.  I copied the color scheme he used-I thought it was different and "cool".  I used his stack and splay technique when doing shows, and it worked well for me.

The Bob Heil stuff was fiberglass, wasn't it (at least the horns and the "flare" part of the 4560)?
.
Our 4560 copies were  wood....but we painted the WHOLE box shiny white.
Shocked
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Travis Laliberte on November 20, 2005, 11:16:28 pm
Photo at one of our gigs a while back.
index.php/fa/3227/0/
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Ryan Lantzy on November 20, 2005, 11:40:43 pm
Travis Laliberte wrote on Sun, 20 November 2005 23:16

Photo at one of our gigs a while back.
index.php/fa/3227/0/



Does anyone else see a miryad of cables running every which way but neat.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Travis Laliberte on November 21, 2005, 12:09:40 am
It is pretty messy but when the lights are off it's nice. If we could afford a myriad of cables then I'm sure it would be a little neater...maybe. I was more worried about the vodka at the time. Most of the time we get to a gig with just enough time to set-up and start playing. The funny thing is that we flew in to that place and played there for three nights. Good news is that no-one tripped and the nights went well. Can't find any pictures of board and racks but soon will take some to share.
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Post by: RicBlade on November 21, 2005, 01:44:42 am
Ryan Lantzy wrote on Sun, 20 November 2005 23:40




Does anyone else see a miryad of cables running every which way but neat.



Helps eliminate crosstalk   Razz
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Tom Reid on November 21, 2005, 03:16:53 am
And the Bomb Shelter effect of the curved ceiling has to play wonders with 400 and 800hz.

Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Mike {AB} Butler on November 21, 2005, 11:17:15 am
Travis Laliberte wrote on Sun, 20 November 2005 21:09


Most of the time we get to a gig with just enough time to set-up and start playing. The funny thing is that we flew in to that place and played there for three nights. Good news is that no-one tripped and the nights went well.



.. All the more reason that you need to take the time to quicken your setup! Good practices, staging of items, advancing the venue, and developing quicker-to-setup patching and cabling schemes are SO critical to setup time. Even fumbling around for one adapter is not a part of my playbook anymore. If I can't plug-n-play.. I fix the problem until I can. I can't afford the luxury of hours of setup time anymore, either. OTOH, the  advantage is that with an efficient setup, it is now possible for me to get OUT of a venue in about half the time.. which is worth even more than a fast setup, IMO..  Cool

Travis Laliberte wrote on Sun, 20 November 2005 21:09


If we could afford a myriad of cables then I'm sure it would be a little neater...maybe.


It isn't about finances.. as much as the mindset of getting rid of inefficient setups. Even something as simple as pre-bundling and LABELLING of cable setups can get you going SOOOO much faster..
Plus, it's typically less costly to make small cable investments, as opposed to major gear ones (a little bit at a time, remember?), so getting the patch bays, sub snakes, feeds, and stage setups done is typically more about having a good plan.. and executing to it. It might take you a couple of years to get there, but in the end, you have a nice looking, efficient, and easy-to-setup system.
Regards,
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Post by: Travis Laliberte on November 21, 2005, 12:04:47 pm
Tom Reid wrote on Mon, 21 November 2005 02:16

And the Bomb Shelter effect of the curved ceiling has to play wonders with 400 and 800hz.





HA HA.. I don't know if anyone notices but that hall used to be a curling rink...the kind that looks like half a giant culvert from the outside.

I'll have to work on a neater setup routine with the band and subsnakes would be great. I'll probably just bundle a few cables together for now. eg. Drums always need a few cords so no use always grabbing one at a time when they could all be together. sub snakes look like a darn good idea and priced right. Is their a sub snake that goes halfway across the stage drops 6 channels then goes the rest of the way with six more? Maybe that would be a custom built type of snake or just go with two seperate snakes.

Getting alot of good ideas as to what people use and what would be usefull to me with all the pics. lookin' good guys!
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Post by: Adam Mottley on November 21, 2005, 01:01:07 pm
Travis,

Radial makes some decent subsnake options. See here:

http://www.radialeng.com/rcs/snakes.htm

Whirlwind has offerings as well:

http://www.whirlwindusa.com/mini612.html

Ramtech is also worth looking into if you have the budget. A very nice system, the Ramlatch stuff is. See here:

http://www.ramtech.net

Hope this helps,

Adam
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Post by: Dave Rickard on November 21, 2005, 02:29:39 pm
Antone Atmarama Bajor wrote on Sun, 20 November 2005 18:30

I bet that thing sounds tits!!!

Is that good or bad?

Funny post BTW,
Dave
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Post by: Emil "Gus" Gawaziuk on November 21, 2005, 04:19:55 pm
Jeez,  that looks like a Northern SK community hall if I have ever gotten drunk in one.....

Gotta be 3 or 4 thousand of those things scattered around the praries.  Mixed in lots of them, gotten smashed ass hammered in most of them.  Good times.  They can also be found attatched to the Legion Smile

Good times.... good times....

Gus

PS:  Looking at the site.... that wouldn't happen to be Sandy Bay, MB, would it?  Like as in just north on Langruth and close to Plumas?
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Travis Laliberte on November 21, 2005, 04:32:48 pm
Hello,

   Pic was taken in Stony Rapids, Sask. A lot of them upside down culverts around in communities.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: David Henry on November 21, 2005, 04:56:28 pm
Ryan Lantzy wrote on Sun, 20 November 2005 23:40

Travis Laliberte wrote on Sun, 20 November 2005 23:16

Photo at one of our gigs a while back.
index.php/fa/3227/0/



Does anyone else see a miryad of cables running every which way but neat.


I see that, but I also see a "winter" sign.  I don't know about you, but it's still fall here.

David
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Travis Laliberte on November 21, 2005, 05:18:00 pm
Last year! no recent pics!
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Ryan Lantzy on November 22, 2005, 11:36:07 pm
I got some shots of my rig.

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Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Ryan Lantzy on November 22, 2005, 11:37:12 pm
lit up with out the front washes on.

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Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Ryan Lantzy on November 22, 2005, 11:38:19 pm
With the washes.

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Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Greg Cameron on November 23, 2005, 01:25:56 pm
The Rig.

Amp racks were behind the stacks. forgot to shoot em'...

Greg
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. 20 yrs ago
Post by: Ivan Beaver on November 23, 2005, 09:59:11 pm
[quote title=Kenny Webber wrote on Sun, 20 November 2005 22:49
The Bob Heil stuff was fiberglass, wasn't it (at least the horns and the "flare" part of the 4560)?
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Our 4560 copies were  wood....but we painted the WHOLE box shiny white.
Shocked [/quote]
The products he sold under his name were all fiberglass (the horn part)-as far as I know.  However his rental systems included 4560's, JBL horns, RCA type W bins etc.  I never saw any pictures of his rental rigs (large concert rigs) that used any of his fiberglass products except the super tweeter boxes.  His versions of the 4560 that he sold looked a bit different than the 4560.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. 20 yrs ago
Post by: Tim Duffin on November 24, 2005, 01:41:52 am
heres a pic of my serious overkill love parade float this year in San Francisco.  The girls were are not part of my system :lol:-- I can safely say that there may have been a little bit too much bass on this float.

http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/738/loveparade054il.th.jpg

Tim
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. 20 yrs ago
Post by: Jeff Wayne (J.W.) on November 24, 2005, 10:43:51 am
 Damn Tim! Nice Bottom End!! I remember you talking about this event but the picture really makes one see what you were talking about.That float looks friggin dangerous!! The subs look pretty nice too! Very Happy
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Don Boomer on November 24, 2005, 01:34:09 pm
My rig before I got to Meridian ...index.php/fa/3261/0/
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Don Boomer on November 24, 2005, 01:36:43 pm
And monitor world
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Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Ryan Lantzy on November 24, 2005, 10:53:54 pm
Mix position

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Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Alan Hamilton on November 24, 2005, 11:07:57 pm
Here's a recent gig I did for a tribute act... It was a corporate gig and the stuff needed to disappear. As you can see... that doesn't make for much of a 'rig' picture.

-AlanH
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Andy Peters on November 24, 2005, 11:50:11 pm
Ryan Lantzy wrote on Thu, 24 November 2005 20:53

Mix position


Two reasons why EQs under the desk are bad:

a) you bend down to adjust them, so you don't directly hear the effect of the change.

b) You might bump some sliders with your knee.  This is why I don't like using the amp racks to support monitor desks.  "Hey, the monitor just cut out."  Oops, I just turned the amp off ...

-a
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Bennett Prescott on November 25, 2005, 12:59:07 am
Or comps...
Or FX units...

When I'm touring I have it in my rider that the provider needs to make provision for FOH racks to be at a level where I can tweak them standing up. Some of them ask why... I don't get it.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Ryan Lantzy on November 25, 2005, 01:46:07 am
Andy Peters wrote on Thu, 24 November 2005 23:50

Ryan Lantzy wrote on Thu, 24 November 2005 20:53

Mix position


Two reasons why EQs under the desk are bad:

a) you bend down to adjust them, so you don't directly hear the effect of the change.

b) You might bump some sliders with your knee.  This is why I don't like using the amp racks to support monitor desks.  "Hey, the monitor just cut out."  Oops, I just turned the amp off ...

-a



I agree with you to some extent on a).  On b)... no way.  Not with the way I have them set back from the edge of the desk.  I've never had that be an issue.

WRT a)... If I had to do it again, I probably would have gone with a tall rack beside the board.  That said, I don't find that I need to make that many EQ adjustmenst during a show to the mains.  Once we get the room sounding good (which is not much of a problem in the smaller venues I do) I don't find the need to do much adjusting.  The rest of the EQs are for monitors... I can't hear what is coming out of the monitors anyway... so I usually just listen from headphones to the change during the show.  When we are ringing them out and EQing for sound on stage, I have someone else be my ears up there while I EQ from FOH.  

Basically... this is an example of why it sucks to do montiors from FOH unless they are IEMs.  But, at this level... you do what you can do with the money you have.

Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Chuck Safrit on November 25, 2005, 12:00:20 pm
Alan Hamilton wrote on Thu, 24 November 2005 23:07

Here's a recent gig I did for a tribute act... It was a corporate gig and the stuff needed to disappear. As you can see... that doesn't make for much of a 'rig' picture.

-AlanH


Sweet job making that disappear. I had to look real hard and still almost didn't see anything except the lights.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Rickk Kreuzer on November 25, 2005, 02:48:28 pm
Here's ours.

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Title: Re: You show me yours, I'll show you mine
Post by: Bennett Prescott on November 25, 2005, 07:03:39 pm
Just got in my speaker covers from Under Cover NYC... beautiful work, they fit perfectly! Here's a few glamor shots:
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Title: Re: You show me yours, I'll show you mine
Post by: Bennett Prescott on November 25, 2005, 07:04:16 pm
Now ain't that sexy? Er... more professional? <cough>
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Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on November 25, 2005, 07:22:47 pm
Bennett- Look at all the dust in those handles! How professional is that!? Wink  Very Happy



Evan
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Bennett Prescott on November 25, 2005, 08:23:35 pm
I know, I know. Outdoor shows, what can I say. Damn cameras add 20 lbs of fat or dust, depending on what you're shooting Razz
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Greg Cameron on November 25, 2005, 10:05:18 pm
Nice looking setup, but those boxes could use some splay Wink 70 degree horns, so the trap angle is not enough. There would be some excessive combing.

Greg
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Andy Peters on November 25, 2005, 10:28:27 pm
Hey, Greg,

There's a picture on your home page -- shelf-like stands supporting the top boxes above the subs.  What are they? They're pretty cool.

-a
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Greg Cameron on November 25, 2005, 10:57:31 pm
Andy Peters wrote on Fri, 25 November 2005 19:28

Hey, Greg,

There's a picture on your home page -- shelf-like stands supporting the top boxes above the subs.  What are they? They're pretty cool.


Ah! I've gotta change that picture. It's from a few years ago when I starting building my company and had more limited means and couldn't afford proper tops. Anyhow, I figured out that the standard light duty storage shelves match the exact dimensions of the Rat subs. Where the bottom shelf would go, the sub cabinet fit right in. At the time, I couldn't afford a pair of subs to stack the tops on, so I had to figure out an inexpensive way to elevate the tops. The cheap shelving worked, but that brand was not very heavy duty and heavier tops would not have been safe. It's not an issue anymore Wink

Greg
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Bennett Prescott on November 25, 2005, 11:07:57 pm
Yeah, I'm getting some high rolloff that's kind of annoying, too. I can barely get a reading on these boxes anyway because this room sounds so bad...  Twisted Evil
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Rickk Kreuzer on November 26, 2005, 09:51:02 am
There is quite a bit of splay here. I know the photo doesn't really show how much. We actually built a platform to fit on top of the subs which allow us to array them to prevent that effect. The platform is two sheets of 3/4" MDF laminated together, cut out to the footprint of the speakers (arrayed) and then routed edges and painted stage black. If you look closely at the pics, you should be able to see this.

I'll try to find a pic of those so that you can see how much they were angled. I appreciate your comments, and would like you to see them to determine if I need more!

Thanks!
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. -Measure
Post by: Ivan Beaver on November 26, 2005, 10:57:55 am
Rickk wrote on Sat, 26 November 2005 09:51


I'll try to find a pic of those so that you can see how much they were angled. I appreciate your comments, and would like you to see them to determine if I need more!

Thanks!

listening tests using pink noise or using Smaart spectrograph in a sweeping mode will show you the interactions and you can adjust to taste.  Since the boxes are not truly arrayable, you will have to settle for a happy medium-somewhere.
Title: Re: You show me yours, I'll show you mine
Post by: Mike McNany on November 26, 2005, 11:46:13 am
Bennett Prescott wrote on Fri, 25 November 2005 19:03

Just got in my speaker covers from Under Cover NYC... beautiful work, they fit perfectly!


Bennett,

I got my covers in about a week ago. Meant to post about it but my computer doesn't like to recognize cameras  Mad
They are VERY nice. I got the F1 (1/2" foam) versions for my Yorkville E210Bs and a set of leftover previous model F1s for my LS808Bs. Undercovernyc has a leftover/returns page for several speakers at 1/3 off or more. I got the LS808 covers for $60 vice the $95 new custom ones. MY LS808s are pre-backwheels, no center backhandle models. The covers were made for all that but for me the savings was worth a couple extra cutaways for the pair.

Extra money spent on non sound reproducing gear but it's well worth the cost to keep expensive (at least to me) speakers protected and looking good.

Mike McNany
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Ryan Lantzy on November 26, 2005, 01:35:14 pm
There is no splay between those cabinets.  They are pointed in different directions.  But there is no splay.  

I know we are not supposed to respond to people that don't have their full names in their posts, but I don't want any other newbies think that is the correct way to array 3 70 degree boxes.
Title: Re: You show me yours, I'll show you mine
Post by: Bennett Prescott on November 26, 2005, 02:16:00 pm
Mike McNany wrote on Sat, 26 November 2005 11:46

Extra money spent on non sound reproducing gear but it's well worth the cost to keep expensive (at least to me) speakers protected and looking good.


Hear hear! I hemmed and hawed about going with the F1 version when I was ordering mine, and finally decided that since I'm really just using them to keep scuffs down, there was no point. Now I'm not so sure, because the F1 covers have a little rigidity in them that keeps them in place better... but I like mine.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Mike Butler (media) on November 26, 2005, 05:02:17 pm
Mike [AB

 Butler wrote on Mon, 21 November 2005 11:17]
Travis Laliberte wrote on Sun, 20 November 2005 21:09


Most of the time we get to a gig with just enough time to set-up and start playing. The funny thing is that we flew in to that place and played there for three nights. Good news is that no-one tripped and the nights went well.



.. All the more reason that you need to take the time to quicken your setup! Good practices, staging of items, advancing the venue, and developing quicker-to-setup patching and cabling schemes are SO critical to setup time. Even fumbling around for one adapter is not a part of my playbook anymore. If I can't plug-n-play.. I fix the problem until I can. I can't afford the luxury of hours of setup time anymore, either. OTOH, the  advantage is that with an efficient setup, it is now possible for me to get OUT of a venue in about half the time.. which is worth even more than a fast setup, IMO..  Cool

Travis Laliberte wrote on Sun, 20 November 2005 21:09


If we could afford a myriad of cables then I'm sure it would be a little neater...maybe.


It isn't about finances.. as much as the mindset of getting rid of inefficient setups. Even something as simple as pre-bundling and LABELLING of cable setups can get you going SOOOO much faster..
Plus, it's typically less costly to make small cable investments, as opposed to major gear ones (a little bit at a time, remember?), so getting the patch bays, sub snakes, feeds, and stage setups done is typically more about having a good plan.. and executing to it. It might take you a couple of years to get there, but in the end, you have a nice looking, efficient, and easy-to-setup system.
Regards,



Well said, Mike.

Travis, that rat's nest does not present a very professional face to your audience, even if they may be a bunch of beer-soaked rink rats Very Happy, to say nothing of the very real tripping hazard (as I sit here with my broken leg Crying or Very Sad ). Even in the absence of a sub snake, a few moments of attention to lead dress and a bit of gaff tape could make your stage a much friendlier place, and as Mike points out some prebundling and labeling can save those precious moments as you "get to a gig with just enough time" Shocked and could prevent the unwanted late start...and save you some unnecessary stress. To me it's an ongoing process, and I don't do one gig without thinking about what's my next step, even a small one to make it more efficient and make it easier on the setup crew (me, myself and I) for the next gig...especially the loadout.Cool

BTW, Mike, I think the use of brackets in your name causes that weird-looking break when we quote you.

Confused  
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Rickk Kreuzer on November 26, 2005, 06:20:13 pm
How would you then "point" those 3 70 degree cabinets? What would be the correct way to array these if I'm trying to get a wide dispersion as was the case with this particular venue?
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Bennett Prescott on November 26, 2005, 06:26:24 pm
You need to have a 35 degree angle between the center line of each cabinet. Turning off your center cabinet will help a lot there, but you should always be getting 140 degrees of coverage out of those cabs.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Eric Wong! on November 26, 2005, 06:26:24 pm
Wasnt going to post mine, its rather small compared to most but might as well.  This is it setup in my living room.  Makes a great party system!  It is setup in "DJ" mode.  Equipment list is 2 Pioneer DJ CD players, Stanton DJ mixer, Ashly XR2001 crossover, DOD 31 band stereo EQ, AB International 600LX for EV G115, Crown Macro-Tech 5000VZ for bass into 2 EV SB180's. For SR gigs, Spirit Folio F1 mixer.  

For small small gigs, I use the EV SX80's on the coffee table that are hard to make out (usually used as nearfield monitors or aux speakers) and then the home brew powered subwoofer to fill in the low end.  Id like better cases instead of my home made OSB + rack railed ones.  Of course I'd like some newer gear like a A&H DJ mixer and MixWiz 16.  Thought about adding more/larger subs, and more arrayable speakers.  Also like to loose some of the older gear like the 600LX and replace it with a Crown XS or similar.  

http://home.comcast.net/~ewong61/audio/DSCF0005.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~ewong61/audio/DSCF0006.JPG
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Ivan Beaver on November 26, 2005, 07:10:09 pm
Bennett Prescott wrote on Sat, 26 November 2005 18:26

You need to have a 35 degree angle between the center line of each cabinet. Turning off your center cabinet will help a lot there, but you should always be getting 140 degrees of coverage out of those cabs.

If using all 3, he should be covering 210 degrees-each side.  But of course if all depends on how much combfiltering you can tolerate and whether overall level or sound quality is what he is after.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Bennett Prescott on November 26, 2005, 10:51:13 pm
You are, of course, correct Ivan. I think after I said "turn off the center cabinet" that speaker disappeared from the rig in my brain.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Rickk Kreuzer on November 27, 2005, 09:16:23 pm
Ivan Beaver wrote on Sun, 27 November 2005 00:10

Bennett Prescott wrote on Sat, 26 November 2005 18:26

You need to have a 35 degree angle between the center line of each cabinet. Turning off your center cabinet will help a lot there, but you should always be getting 140 degrees of coverage out of those cabs.

If using all 3, he should be covering 210 degrees-each side.  But of course if all depends on how much combfiltering you can tolerate and whether overall level or sound quality is what he is after.



So, then if I'm understanding you correctly, I probably will get better results with just two per side since I'm not trying for 210 degrees? Is this correct?

I was not trying for overall level here, just wanted to be able to direct the coverage. It's the first time I ran with 3 tops actually.

Thank you both for your instruction!

Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Ivan Beaver on November 27, 2005, 09:23:12 pm
2 would sound better, but still be sure to splay them with the backs touching and the tops splayed out.  Also remember that the horns are the ONLY thing in those cabinets that have 70* horizontal coverage.  The 12's will narrow as they go up, so their pattern changes with freq.  Put some pink noise into them and walk the pattern and listen for the angle that gives you the least amount of interaction.  Turn off the subs when doing this so you can hear better. If you can produce band limited pink noise you can listen to a band at a time and change angles and compromise.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Mike {AB} Butler on November 28, 2005, 11:48:21 am
"the new" Mike Butler wrote on Sat, 26 November 2005 14:02





Well said, Mike.

BTW, Mike, I think the use of brackets in your name causes that weird-looking break when we quote you.

Confused  

Ahhhh.. THAT's what's going on; I will see what I can do about that. Thanks for the kind words, BTW. It can never be neat enough or set up fast enough. Just being able to walk in with a single NL4 cable and power 2 channels of speakers has been a Quantum leap forward for me. I can't wait 'till I get the NL8 stuff up and running. WOW... what venues I'll be able to conquer then.. Cool
Regards,

Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Michael Storey on December 10, 2005, 05:01:05 pm
My apologies for resurrecting this thread, just felt like posting pics of my DJ rig (don’t shoot! I do some small SR work also Laughing ). I sold off my yorkies in favor of these new SRX cabs, and so far so great. Still not where I would like to be quantity wise, but college doesn’t pay for itself…not yet at least! I’m running a bridged 2402 to each 728, and a 3402 stereo for the 725’s (I know… I will bi amp soon!). Also, I’ve got a Rane TTM-56 mixer going straight into the 260, Technics decks and Pioneer CDJ 1Ks, a EW135G2 handheld, Eons for monitors and some Chauvet fixtures on applied cranks (sorry, too much DJ crap…ill get back OT). Question for those of you running bridged 3402’s (or equivalent) into your 728’s, how is that working for ya? Do you ever run bass heavy pre-recorded music like Hip Hop into them near clip level? I’m most definitely no audio pro, but it seems as though they produce a good amount of port noise at lower frequencies (flabby sounding), or am I hearing harmonic distortion since they are bass-reflex boxes? Either way, despite their 3200 watt continuous rating im timid of putting more than 2400 watts into them as I am now. Can someone set this naive dj straight?
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Tom Winter on December 11, 2005, 12:36:35 am
Running your amps into clipping at power lower than your speakers are rated for is a great way to ruin your speakers in the long run or at least get less than the desired sound.

Most manufacturers suggest 1.5 to as much as 2x their rated power on the speaker. Put more power into the boxes and your sound issues will likely go away. Of course this is assuming proper gain structure and processing, looks like you have a DriveRack in there, so make sure that is running the correct settings.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Tom Reid on December 11, 2005, 09:44:29 am
Michael Storey wrote on Sat, 10 December 2005 16:01

My apologies for resurrecting this thread, just felt like posting pics of my DJ rig (don’t shoot! I do some small SR work also Laughing ). I sold off my yorkies in favor of these new SRX cabs, and so far so great. Still not where I would like to be quantity wise, but college doesn’t pay for itself…not yet at least! I’m running a bridged 2402 to each 728, and a 3402 stereo for the 725’s (I know… I will bi amp soon!). Also, I’ve got a Rane TTM-56 mixer going straight into the 260, Technics decks and Pioneer CDJ 1Ks, a EW135G2 handheld, Eons for monitors and some Chauvet fixtures on applied cranks (sorry, too much DJ crap…ill get back OT). Question for those of you running bridged 3402’s (or equivalent) into your 728’s, how is that working for ya? Do you ever run bass heavy pre-recorded music like Hip Hop into them near clip level? I’m most definitely no audio pro, but it seems as though they produce a good amount of port noise at lower frequencies (flabby sounding), or am I hearing harmonic distortion since they are bass-reflex boxes? Either way, despite their 3200 watt continuous rating im timid of putting more than 2400 watts into them as I am now. Can someone set this naive dj straight?


I run a bridged XS1200 into a 728 ~3kw into 4 ohms.  I follow the JBL specs and cross them @ 90Hz.  I can get some awesome subsonics out of a single cabinet without the flabby description above.

Looking at your picture, you have 2ea. 728 spread apart by 25' or so.  You'd get much better results stacking those guys in the middle, or side by side in the middle.
I know, then you lose your cool speaker stands.
I made some 3'X 2'X 2' black boxes braced out of 3/4 ply for 725 stands.  That way I can have a 7' stack, or a 6' stack depending on room.  And the woofer is independant of the high range placement, which is the trick for good bass.

tom
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Michael Storey on December 11, 2005, 12:24:40 pm
Quote:

Running your amps into clipping at power lower than your speakers are rated for is a great way to ruin your speakers in the long run or at least get less than the desired sound.

Most manufacturers suggest 1.5 to as much as 2x their rated power on the speaker. Put more power into the boxes and your sound issues will likely go away. Of course this is assuming proper gain structure and processing, looks like you have a DriveRack in there, so make sure that is running the correct settings.


Understood. I figure im in good shape since im right at 1.5x the recommended program wattage. Guess im just hearing things Rolling Eyes. When the time comes that I need more thump Ill just double up on subs (a 01V96 comes first, though!). Thanks for the reply!

ps. I run AGC in the 260, and some light limiting to catch the peaks...so them amps don't see no stinkin' clipping! In fact, it works out so well that I don't need to monitor the amps and can often leave them out of sight. Gotta love DSP!
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Michael Storey on December 11, 2005, 01:06:33 pm
Quote:

I run a bridged XS1200 into a 728 ~3kw into 4 ohms. I follow the JBL specs and cross them @ 90Hz. I can get some awesome subsonics out of a single cabinet without the flabby description above.

Looking at your picture, you have 2ea. 728 spread apart by 25' or so. You'd get much better results stacking those guys in the middle, or side by side in the middle.
I know, then you lose your cool speaker stands.
I made some 3'X 2'X 2' black boxes braced out of 3/4 ply for 725 stands. That way I can have a 7' stack, or a 6' stack depending on room. And the woofer is independant of the high range placement, which is the trick for good bass.

tom


Tom,
Good to hear your doing well with that setup. In hindsight, I figure the flabby-ness (ok, maybe not the best description) im hearing is actually just the cones moving so much air Laughing. I have been able to get those subs centered together on occasion, and its most definitely a huge improvement. The turnout at the gig in the picture was unusually low, so power alley... shoot, bass in general wasn't a huge concern. I will look into making some boxes like yours and doing it right though!  

So your crossing your 728's over at 90hz ehh? I loaded JBL's tuning for passive 725's over 728's into my 260 and have been using that. But, I do recall you commenting on the gap between the xover points in this setting (subs crossed at 80hz, tops take over around 90hz, all 24db LR slopes). Guess Ill try a 90hz LPF and see what happens. Thanks for the info!

Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Tom Reid on December 11, 2005, 01:27:27 pm
Michael Storey wrote on Sun, 11 December 2005 12:06

Quote:

I run a bridged XS1200 into a 728 ~3kw into 4 ohms. I follow the JBL specs and cross them @ 90Hz. I can get some awesome subsonics out of a single cabinet without the flabby description above.

Looking at your picture, you have 2ea. 728 spread apart by 25' or so. You'd get much better results stacking those guys in the middle, or side by side in the middle.
I know, then you lose your cool speaker stands.
I made some 3'X 2'X 2' black boxes braced out of 3/4 ply for 725 stands. That way I can have a 7' stack, or a 6' stack depending on room. And the woofer is independant of the high range placement, which is the trick for good bass.

tom


Tom,
Good to hear your doing well with that setup. In hindsight, I figure the flabby-ness (ok, maybe not the best description) im hearing is actually just the cones moving so much air Laughing. I have been able to get those subs centered together on occasion, and its most definitely a huge improvement. The turnout at the gig in the picture was unusually low, so power alley... shoot, bass in general wasn't a huge concern. I will look into making some boxes like yours and doing it right though!  

So your crossing your 728's over at 90hz ehh? I loaded JBL's tuning for passive 725's over 728's into my 260 and have been using that. But, I do recall you commenting on the gap between the xover points in this setting (subs crossed at 80hz, tops take over around 90hz, all 24db LR slopes). Guess Ill try a 90hz LPF and see what happens. Thanks for the info!



Yup.

The factory parameters are 80Hz for the woofer, 90hz starts the tops.  I moved all that up to 90hz at the woofer, 95-ish to 100 on the tops depending on placement.  This seemed to help a problem with a vocalist who insisted on stepping in front of the mains with a mic stand, and constantly cupping the mic  Rolling Eyes


Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Julian Ivory on December 16, 2005, 08:40:03 am
there aren't many dance rigs on here are there?  heres mine (dont take the piss...):

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Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Julian Ivory on December 16, 2005, 08:42:24 am
another (just a bollox set upin my garden for fun...)
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Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Julian Ivory on December 16, 2005, 08:44:04 am
a party...


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Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Julian Ivory on December 16, 2005, 08:46:55 am
testing...

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Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Julian Ivory on December 16, 2005, 09:11:30 am
ps - none of the horns in the mid/top boxes are used, in the last pic you can see our compression drivers (just) which are now in boxes...
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Greg Cameron on December 16, 2005, 10:22:51 am
That's quite an assortment of boxes. How are you processing and powering all that?

Greg
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Eetu Kuuranne on December 17, 2005, 06:27:38 am
I only have an in-ear monitor rig but here is a picture of it.

Eetu

index.php/fa/3501/0/
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Bennett Prescott on December 17, 2005, 11:26:33 am
That's a nicely put together IEM rig. What's that TC processing I see? I don't recognize it.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Adam Mottley on December 17, 2005, 11:53:32 am
Bennett,

Looks like Triple-C multiband comps.

http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=1575

Adam
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Bennett Prescott on December 17, 2005, 12:39:53 pm
That's what I would have guessed... I've had one in my racks before, and was impressed, although I'd be worried about the durability. At this point (especialy considering they're no longer made) I'd probably go for something else, but I imagine they work great.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS on December 18, 2005, 08:23:22 am
Here is one I just did on friday the 16th for Digital Undeground.  The promoter lost over $13,000....At least we got paid!

It's eight subs and four tops, four monitor mixes with five wedges mixed from F.O.H.  They wanted a rig capable of covering 1500 people with lots'o'bass!  They got it! Too bad only 150 people showed up for the show.

index.php/fa/3510/0/
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Tom Reid on December 18, 2005, 09:41:17 am
Quote:

Too bad only 150 people showed up for the show


'Tis better to expect 1500 and have 150 show up, than expect 150 and have 1500 show up.

tom
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: John Roberts {JR} on December 18, 2005, 10:59:47 am
Tom Reid wrote on Sun, 18 December 2005 08:41



'Tis better to expect 1500 and have 150 show up, than expect 150 and have 1500 show up.

tom


Depends on your POV.... sounds painful for most involved. If you set up a PA and no one is there to hear it, does it really make a sound?

JR
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Tom Reid on December 18, 2005, 11:06:06 am
John Roberts  {JR} wrote on Sun, 18 December 2005 09:59

Tom Reid wrote on Sun, 18 December 2005 08:41



'Tis better to expect 1500 and have 150 show up, than expect 150 and have 1500 show up.

tom


Depends on your POV.... sounds painful for most involved. If you set up a PA and no one is there to hear it, does it really make a sound?

JR

Trick question.

Sound is the perception of waveforms of a certain range.
No one there to percieve, no sound ...only waveforms.

IMHO
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Ivan Beaver on December 18, 2005, 11:06:54 am
[quote title=John Roberts  {JR} wrote on Sun, 18 December 2005 10:59]
Tom Reid wrote on Sun, 18 December 2005 08:41



If you set up a PA and no one is there to hear it, does it really make a sound?

JR

That depends-was air being pushed?
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS on December 18, 2005, 11:39:17 am
I was there Laughing  And even if noone else was there, I am sure there were some neighbors within a couple hundred yards that would have heard it. Very Happy
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Andy Peters on December 18, 2005, 01:01:39 pm
RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS wrote on Sun, 18 December 2005 06:23

Here is one I just did on friday the 16th for Digital Undeground.  The promoter lost over $13,000....At least we got paid!


I'd completely forgotten about Digital Underground.  Apparently, I'm not the only one.

We did a show at the Gallery a couple of weeks ago.  There was supposed to be this big indie show at Mesa Amphitheatre, but only like 300 tix were sold in advance, so the promoter bit the bullet and cancelled it.  We had a gallery gig with two of the bands the next night, so another of the bands was added to the bill at the last minute.  Normally we don't do three bands a night, and this is the first gig here in YEARS where all three bands had their own engineer.  It was fine, except I ended up herding cats and we got done really late.

-a
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Matt Gunter on December 18, 2005, 09:01:47 pm
cool, saw this thread and thought i'd show you all my rig (well one of my rigs anyway) enjoy

cheers
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Simon Tucker on December 18, 2005, 09:16:57 pm
aprmatt wrote on Mon, 19 December 2005 02:01

show you all my rig


Yours? Or Pete and Andy's?

Simon
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Mike Butler (media) on December 23, 2005, 10:19:17 pm
Andy Peters wrote on Sun, 18 December 2005 13:01

...I'd completely forgotten about Digital Underground.  Apparently, I'm not the only one...


All right! Stop whatcha doin'
'cause I'm about to ruin
the image and the style that ya used to.
I look funny,
but yo I'm makin' money, see
so yo world I hope you're ready for me.
Now gather round
I'm the new fool in town
and my sound's laid down by the Underground.
I drink up all the Hennessy ya got on ya shelf
so just let me introduce myself
My name is Humpty, pronounced with a Umpty.
Yo ladies, oh how I like to hump thee...
Laughing  Laughing  Laughing

I ain't forgotten!  Very Happy
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Nathan Schwarzkopf on December 24, 2005, 03:06:07 pm
Thats kind of funny because when I did Digital underground the promoter lost out pretty well also.

Its a shame

Nathan
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Tom Manchester on December 24, 2005, 03:39:25 pm
Oh well, the memory of Digital underground lives on at my shows. I use the "humpty dance" as one of my pre-show / between set songs and I also have the video for between set vids at my video projection shows.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Ales Dravinec 'Alex' on December 25, 2005, 03:10:58 am
any comments ??

Merry Christmas to you all !

Razz index.php/fa/3551/0/
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Alex Schultz on December 25, 2005, 09:12:35 am
Quote:

Depends on your POV.... sounds painful for most involved. If you set up a PA and no one is there to hear it, does it really make a sound?




My girlfriend read this over my shoulder and gave me her version...... pretty funny.

"If a man speaks in the woods and there's no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong?

Best of the Holidays
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Mike McNany on December 25, 2005, 11:03:07 am
Alex D wrote on Sun, 25 December 2005 03:10

any comments ??

Merry Christmas to you all !

Razz index.php/fa/3551/0/


Nice lookin' cabs. I expect the 4 nylon straps per array hang to the cross truss are within weight specs. But I wonder about that for the total of four straps to the motors holding the truss. I hope weight calculations were made fully.

A non-rigger observation but from someone who's moved quite a few torpedos & missiles with straps and had to get those straps certified.

Mike McNany
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Julian Ivory on December 28, 2005, 09:06:37 pm
Greg Cameron wrote on Fri, 16 December 2005 15:22

That's quite an assortment of boxes. How are you processing and powering all that?

Greg



Ultradrive for time alignment and x-over points
Aphex 204 processing,
MXF 400 for tops,
QSC RMX 850 for mid,
LAX 7200 for mid-bass,
2 x RMX 2450 for sub,

(wasn't when the pics were taken but how it is now.  same boxes)


Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Too Tall (Curtis H. List) on December 30, 2005, 07:35:45 pm
Ted Christensen wrote on Sat, 12 November 2005 19:26

Over 300 pounds i know that.

figure 43 pounds per amp. 7 amps.

do the math. thats 301 pounds. ( i was close)

It never leaves the ground, it has wheels and my trailer will have a ramp door.



So back when the Crown PS2 was the “big” amp and dB sound out of Chicago ( or perhaps its was Showco) had hundreds of them I worked the IN as a stagehand at the Saginaw Civic Center.

Being a car factory town all they booked was heavy metal bands so they used lots and lots of PS2 amps. I can’t recall exactly how many PS2 amps fit in one full height rack. Either four or five anyway.

So the dimmer racks were off stage left on the ground (stage is about 5’ high). There is a guy minding his own business plugging in lighting mults and up above him they are rolling amp racks onto the sound wing. Well either the wing was not quite level or someone turned their head before the rack had stopped moving...and it just kept going.

Luckily the BA for the local was up in the stands doing paperwork and noticed the amp rack heading toward the edge of the stage. He yelled at the guy on the ground who did what every well trained stagehand should do. FIRST get your ass under cover and THEN curse the guy out for yanking your chain.

The rack went over the edge and literally right past the guys’ nose as he crouched under the stage. It broke all the mults off the dimmer rack top to bottom.

This happened over 20 years ago so I can’t remember exactly how, but they had light that night.

Just so you know not everyone is so lucky and kick guards on the edge of a stage are more then a nice idea, several years later an upstage truss rolled off the upstage edge with a friend of mine under it. It crushed his head and left him disabled for life.

Remember to take care of your ass out there.

Happy New Year to all.  Smile
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Tom_Umney on January 04, 2006, 10:58:53 pm
Now my rig!!!


http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/1885/imag00025hx9hr.th.jpg

1 of my QSC RMX2450, Aphex 204,Panasonic CD player. And a gaping space left in the rack Laughing  [3u left].

And now my rig in action:

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/6757/imag00210op.th.jpg


http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/1894/imag00196fa.th.jpg

You can only see the right stack in the pic, but all 4 speakers are there.

2x Behringer B1520 and 2x Behringer B1800X 18 inch bass bins.

Half my rig is sold and is already being upgraded....

I already got one of these Martin Audio EM21 bass bins.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/9323/dscn60911je.th.jpg

I decided not to go for EV SX100+, they sounded too harsh.

Probably gonna be RCF ART300's.





Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Tom_Umney on January 04, 2006, 11:14:42 pm
I will put pics of the new rig up soon. I'm hoping to get QSC PLX amps in the future too.

Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Cecil Daisy on January 05, 2006, 12:25:42 pm
Tom_U: I usually give people the benefit of the doubt, but your picture of the 2 amp, the crossover, and limiter, is stolen. That part of our rig, on the floor of our lockup. with my stuff int eh background.

Basically, sort it out!

If you want any more pictures, gimmie a shout!

Regards

Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Tom Manchester on January 06, 2006, 12:56:39 am
Cecil wrote on Thu, 05 January 2006 12:25

Tom_U: I usually give people the benefit of the doubt, but your picture of the 2 amp, the crossover, and limiter, is stolen. That part of our rig, on the floor of our lockup. with my stuff int eh background.

Basically, sort it out!

If you want any more pictures, gimmie a shout!

Regards




Huh! Matt Andrews also posted that same picture in the thread about noise limiting. Also, Tom_U and Cecil don't forget to change your aliases to include both your first and last names, instead of Tom_U and Cecil.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Vladimir Angelovski on January 06, 2006, 02:11:01 am
My homemade system. About 15kW.

index.php/fa/3710/0/
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Matt Andrews on January 06, 2006, 02:37:13 am
Yeah, thats my rack

Cecil's part of the crew also

Matt
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Cecil Daisy on January 06, 2006, 04:33:27 am
Cecil is my first name ... Matthew Andrews is my best mate.
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Tony Sz. on January 07, 2006, 12:04:53 pm
Matt Gunter wrote on Sun, 18 December 2005 21:01

cool, saw this thread and thought i'd show you all my rig (well one of my rigs anyway) enjoy


Man, I wouldn't want to get anywhere -near- those towers. There's no way they could support the full weight of those stacks. I can't make it out.... is there anything supporting those hanging stacks from underneath?
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Antone Atmarama Bajor on January 09, 2006, 05:20:00 pm
You should probably turn your top sub 180 degrees for more effective Horn Coupling.


Antone-
Title: Re: Photos of my Rig, now lets see yours. :o
Post by: Vladimir Angelovski on January 09, 2006, 09:33:04 pm
Dear Antone,

  Your suggestion would be ok if the boxes are the same, but the bottom ones are subs with RCF 18" woofers (25-120Hz)and above them are the bass cabinets with Eminence 15" speakers (120-440Hz).
   Maybe it would be good to rotate every other box for 90 degrees clockwise and counterclockwise so every two boxes in the same range would make one horn. I'll try it on the next gig. But I'll change the whole configuration soon. I"ll put the 18"s in 2 double boxes per side and put the 15" from the tops into this sub boxes so that will make 16 bass cabinets and 4 double subs in total. And for the tops, I'll put one 12" or two 10" per box.

But thank for the advice.

Vladimir
Title: Re: You show me yours, I'll show you mine
Post by: Bennett Prescott on January 12, 2006, 04:25:29 pm
Gotta show off my new FOH...
http://campuspa.com/images/photo_foh_eq.jpg
http://campuspa.com/images/photo_foh_fx.jpg
There's supposed to be a 1066 right underneath those 160XTs, but it's off getting repaired still. Otherwise, hot dog!
Title: Re: You show me yours, I'll show you mine
Post by: Dave Rickard on January 12, 2006, 05:03:40 pm
Nice.  Do you get many questions on the Funk Logic panel?

Dave
Title: Re: You show me yours, I'll show you mine
Post by: Bennett Prescott on January 12, 2006, 06:47:47 pm
Dave Rickard wrote on Thu, 12 January 2006 17:03

Nice.  Do you get many questions on the Funk Logic panel?

No, but it's the first thing I reach for when the "manager" says "There's too much light orange".
Title: Re: You show me yours, I'll show you mine
Post by: Michael 'Bink' Knowles on January 12, 2006, 07:54:41 pm
Bennett Prescott wrote on Thu, 12 January 2006 15:47

Dave Rickard wrote on Thu, 12 January 2006 17:03

Nice.  Do you get many questions on the Funk Logic panel?

No, but it's the first thing I reach for when the "manager" says "There's too much light orange".


Oh yeah, baby. And then there's the continuum of:
Vintagerator     "Ugh" to "1001001"

Personally, I need a few ones and zeros mixed into my Ugh--otherwise I feel unfulfilled.

Cool

-Bink
Title: Re: You show me yours, I'll show you mine
Post by: Bennett Prescott on January 12, 2006, 08:46:50 pm
You know you've got a problem when, mid-show, you actually try and find reasonable settings on a box that does nothing at all in order to make it fit with your current mixing "Fung Chi". Or whatever. I should seek medical assistance.
Title: Re: You show me yours, I'll show you mine
Post by: Adam Mottley on January 13, 2006, 12:58:36 pm
Bennett,

Very well put together stuff. Good job, there. Looks like those EWI pull-over racks will do you justice for some time to come.

Adam