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Title: Poor SM58
Post by: Aaron Maurer on January 06, 2019, 09:06:43 pm
Our closest friends treated my family to attend the Turkey Hill Experience. Some of you may know of Turkey Hill Ice Cream and Ice Tea. They have a section where the kids can do an interview and be recorded. At first I thought they were prop mics as they had an over head mic in a windscreen so didnít see what that was. After my daughter was finished I grabbed the mic to do a further inspection and it was on. Poor thing must have been dropped several hundreds of times I suspect?  Doesnít help the way they mounted the clip either as it could not be moved/adjusted. Was going to ask the wife to go over to see if we could get a tour of the Clair Brothers complex which is about 25 minutes away but decided not to as I already knew the answer.
Title: Re: Poor SM58
Post by: Mike Caldwell on January 07, 2019, 07:51:09 am
I've seen wireless mics in far worse condition at some schools.
The one in your picture at least still has a somewhat round shape to the grill! 
Title: Poor SM58
Post by: Scott Olewiler on January 07, 2019, 10:39:13 am
Aaron,

Anything of interest for adults there?  Maybe I'll stop in some time. I have bunch of replacement grills in my basement and I don't use 58s anymore. Wouldn't it be fun to walk up and replace the screen for a laugh?

I never been there, it's 15 minutes from my house and I pass it on at least half of my gigs or motorcycles rides. Good excuse for an ice cream stop.

Amazing how we ignore things in our own back yard. I also live about 15 minutes from the Harley Davison plant and have never visited that either.


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Title: Re: Poor SM58
Post by: Dave Pluke on January 07, 2019, 12:07:01 pm
Poor thing must have been dropped several hundreds of times I suspect? 

Shure couldn't BUY better advertising for their reliability!

Dave
Title: Re: Poor SM58
Post by: Kevin Maxwell on January 07, 2019, 06:23:54 pm
Aaron,

Anything of interest for adults there?  Maybe I'll stop in some time. I have bunch of replacement grills in my basement and I don't use 58s anymore. Wouldn't it be fun to walk up and replace the screen for a laugh?

I never been there, it's 15 minutes from my house and I pass it on at least half of my gigs or motorcycles rides. Good excuse for an ice cream stop.

Amazing how we ignore things in our own back yard. I also live about 15 minutes from the Harley Davison plant and have never visited that either.


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But do you ride a Harley?
Title: Re: Poor SM58
Post by: David Allred on January 07, 2019, 07:10:44 pm
Our closest friends treated my family to attend the Turkey Hill Experience. Some of you may know of Turkey Hill Ice Cream and Ice Tea. They have a section where the kids can do an interview and be recorded. At first I thought they were prop mics as they had an over head mic in a windscreen so didnít see what that was. After my daughter was finished I grabbed the mic to do a further inspection and it was on. Poor thing must have been dropped several hundreds of times I suspect?  Doesnít help the way they mounted the clip either as it could not be moved/adjusted. Was going to ask the wife to go over to see if we could get a tour of the Clair Brothers complex which is about 25 minutes away but decided not to as I already knew the answer.
Ha.  Nothing.  I had one in an ETC install that got dropped so many times from being set down my teenage staffers and rolling off to a cement floor.  I suggested letting me tape the clip on it so it wouldn't roll, but they declined because they wanted to able to put it in their pocket.  It was damage so bad the top shaped like a W.  I suggested they buy a replacement grill.  When they couldn't get the grill off, they call me.  I gripped the barrel and another man tried to loosen the grill.  No go. 
A little more investigation yielded that a the grill wouldn't stay on (partially stripped, I guess), so a worker super glued it and threaded it up.  The mic eventually failed (for some reason). Ha.
We sent to Shure for repair.  They got back a new mic.  Shure didn't acknowledge it, but it was obvious.
Title: Re: Poor SM58
Post by: Scott Olewiler on January 07, 2019, 10:44:07 pm
But do you ride a Harley?
On my third one among many other makes/models. If you live here it's almost mandatory to own one.


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Title: Re: Poor SM58
Post by: Stephen Kirby on January 07, 2019, 10:48:43 pm
I've seen wireless mics in far worse condition at some schools.
The one in your picture at least still has a somewhat round shape to the grill!
I've seen worse in bars.  Plus the aroma of cigarettes and beer.   :o
Title: Re: Poor SM58
Post by: Chris Grimshaw on January 08, 2019, 03:24:46 am
At a venue I used to work at, they had a '58 that had been snapped clean in two. Nobody knows how.
Sent it off to Shure, and they had no idea how, either.

My bet is a faulty casting led to a hairline crack through some/all of it, and then it just needed a shock.

The wiring was intact, so it still worked.

Chris
Title: Re: Poor SM58
Post by: Scott Helmke on January 08, 2019, 09:09:50 am
At a venue I used to work at, they had a '58 that had been snapped clean in two. Nobody knows how.

Not really that unusual - we've had two break like that.  The first one was returned to our shop in a case full of mic stand bases, the second was the one we dropped our 100 pound tape ball onto from 25 feet.
Title: Re: Poor SM58
Post by: Mike Caldwell on January 08, 2019, 05:36:51 pm
All in all the general public can be really hard on sound equipment that's not theirs, they use it, drop it somewhere when finished and expect it to work the next time and then repeat.

Did some work at a facility that had maybe 10 Countryman E6 headsets, all of them looked like they had been wadded up into the smallest ball possible, unfolded and then repeated a dozen more times. All the while I'm looking at them the person in charge is complaining that they can never get those mics to work well.

Another place purchased a new JDI direct box that I know never left the building, used maybe twice a week for practice and service. In about a year it looked like it had been on a Sex Pistols tour. Screws missing, nut missing on a 1/4 inch jack that was also broken loose on the circuit board, half the paint was gone and the rubber piece on the bottom was long gone.
Title: Re: Poor SM58
Post by: Bob Stone on January 08, 2019, 06:41:09 pm
The abuse is real...last show I did, guy couldn't get everyone's attention for an announcement, so what does he do? Bangs his palm on the end of my SM58 a dozen times in a row quite hard...as I grabbed and yanked the fader down because I was turned right up trying to get them enough volume. No damage luckily, but seriously? That's what he thinks is a good idea? The customer has made my sh!t list and are getting the "pain in the butt" rate next time they ask for me and a Behringer mic with an aggressive comp on the mic channel.
Title: Re: Poor SM58
Post by: Tim McCulloch on January 08, 2019, 09:01:25 pm
The abuse is real...last show I did, guy couldn't get everyone's attention for an announcement, so what does he do? Bangs his palm on the end of my SM58 a dozen times in a row quite hard...as I grabbed and yanked the fader down because I was turned right up trying to get them enough volume. No damage luckily, but seriously? That's what he thinks is a good idea? The customer has made my sh!t list and are getting the "pain in the butt" rate next time they ask for me and a Behringer mic with an aggressive comp on the mic channel.

Yes.  The bolded text should SOP for announce/emcee/DJ mics.  I bought a 3 pack of some cheesy CAD dynamic for $39.  Talk back, unattended announce mic, known mic abusers; it's got a switch.
Title: Re: Poor SM58
Post by: Aaron Maurer on January 08, 2019, 11:11:14 pm
Aaron,

Anything of interest for adults there?  Maybe I'll stop in some time. I have bunch of replacement grills in my basement and I don't use 58s anymore. Wouldn't it be fun to walk up and replace the screen for a laugh?

I never been there, it's 15 minutes from my house and I pass it on at least half of my gigs or motorcycles rides. Good excuse for an ice cream stop.

Amazing how we ignore things in our own back yard. I also live about 15 minutes from the Harley Davison plant and have never visited that either.


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I would say itís more structured around the kids. Take (2) grills with you if you go they had two booths and both mics were smashed in.
Title: Re: Poor SM58
Post by: Kevin Maxwell on January 09, 2019, 11:26:18 am
Our closest friends treated my family to attend the Turkey Hill Experience. Some of you may know of Turkey Hill Ice Cream and Ice Tea. They have a section where the kids can do an interview and be recorded. At first I thought they were prop mics as they had an over head mic in a windscreen so didnít see what that was. After my daughter was finished I grabbed the mic to do a further inspection and it was on. Poor thing must have been dropped several hundreds of times I suspect?  Doesnít help the way they mounted the clip either as it could not be moved/adjusted. Was going to ask the wife to go over to see if we could get a tour of the Clair Brothers complex which is about 25 minutes away but decided not to as I already knew the answer.

I would guess that it is so banged up because the clip is mounted upside down. So if someone gently puts it in the clip it will fall out onto its head. I know that those clips do kind of snap in but I have seen people try to put them back in the clip to timidly and they are only being held on by the antenna cover.
Title: Re: Poor SM58
Post by: Stephen Swaffer on January 09, 2019, 12:26:47 pm
A chunk of wood, hole saw and some paint would make a more effective holder for that application.
Title: Re: Poor SM58
Post by: Kevin Conlon on January 09, 2019, 08:10:38 pm
The abuse is real...last show I did, guy couldn't get everyone's attention for an announcement, so what does he do? Bangs his palm on the end of my SM58 a dozen times in a row quite hard...as I grabbed and yanked the fader down because I was turned right up trying to get them enough volume. No damage luckily, but seriously? That's what he thinks is a good idea? The customer has made my sh!t list and are getting the "pain in the butt" rate next time they ask for me and a Behringer mic with an aggressive comp on the mic channel.
Remember when we rented movies on cd how beat up they were, to the point of stopping or skipping. I have never understood how people can be so abusive.
Title: Re: Poor SM58
Post by: Scott Holtzman on January 10, 2019, 12:11:01 am
Remember when we rented movies on cd how beat up they were, to the point of stopping or skipping. I have never understood how people can be so abusive.

I think you mean DVD, CD was an audio media.
Title: Re: Poor SM58
Post by: Stephen Beatty on January 10, 2019, 11:16:09 am
Sigh, we don't even see much if any use of DVD playback in the classrooms these days.

But still find a dented handheld no problem.
Title: Re: Poor SM58
Post by: Stephen Kirby on January 10, 2019, 11:42:31 pm
The other day I was scanning around videos of Cory Henry, one of my current fave musos, and found this.  World class talent (check out some of his other stuff, along with the legendary synth solo on Snarky Puppy's "Lingus"), major production with a full orchestra at the prestigious North Sea Jazz Festival, tons of high end mics on various instruments ready for multi-camera serious video production. 

And look what they give Cory to sing into.

At 0:56 you see a side view of a bashed in 58 that looks like it came out of some bar's locker.   ??? :o ::)

https://youtu.be/I8j7XJxew7s (https://youtu.be/I8j7XJxew7s)
Title: Re: Poor SM58
Post by: Chris Hindle on January 11, 2019, 08:00:06 am
And look what they give Cory to sing into.
It may be his own mic ?

I always have a couple of spare balls lying around, and offer them to a muso if the vidiots are there...
They usually don't take my offer. Their bashed up ball has "character".
Chris.
Title: Re: Poor SM58
Post by: John L Nobile on January 11, 2019, 12:32:57 pm
The other day I was scanning around videos of Cory Henry, one of my current fave musos, and found this.  World class talent (check out some of his other stuff, along with the legendary synth solo on Snarky Puppy's "Lingus"), major production with a full orchestra at the prestigious North Sea Jazz Festival, tons of high end mics on various instruments ready for multi-camera serious video production. 

And look what they give Cory to sing into.

At 0:56 you see a side view of a bashed in 58 that looks like it came out of some bar's locker.   ??? :o ::)

https://youtu.be/I8j7XJxew7s (https://youtu.be/I8j7XJxew7s)

That solo on Lingus is just "insane" and that's an amazing cover of Purple Rain.

I hope that's his own mic cause that's not something you give to a player of his stature. Especially when it's being filmed.