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Title: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: Pete Erskine on September 20, 2018, 11:29:52 am
Are you interested in the current terrific wireless Intercom technologies? Want to learn about

Clear-Com Freespeak,
Riedel Bolero,
RTS Romeo,
RAD UV-1G-1G,
Pliant Crewcom and
Unity intercom?

I am presenting an AES Super Forum at the NYC AES on October 19th at 1PM at the NY Javits Convention center To attend you must register for the forum sessions.

http://www.aes.org/events/145/registration/

All of the above systems will be demonstrated by their engineers and each system will compare its actual audio with our old favorite BTR800's audio.

The forum will be 3 hours and each system will not only be demonstrated but each companies technicians will show how it is programmed.

I’ll try to throw in a few real world examples, too.

http://www.aes.org/events/145/livesound/?ID=6190
Title: Re: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: Ike Zimbel on September 20, 2018, 12:15:40 pm
Are you interested in the current terrific wireless Intercom technologies? Want to learn about

Clear-Com Freespeak,
Riedel Bolero,
RTS Romeo,
RAD UV-1G-1G,
Pliant Crewcom and
Unity intercom?

I am presenting an AES Super Forum at the NYC AES on October 19th at 1PM at the NY Javits Convention center To attend you must register for the forum sessions.

http://www.aes.org/events/145/registration/

All of the above systems will be demonstrated by their engineers and each system will compare its actual audio with our old favorite BTR800's audio.

The forum will be 3 hours and each system will not only be demonstrated but each companies technicians will show how it is programmed.

I’ll try to throw in a few real world examples, too.

http://www.aes.org/events/145/livesound/?ID=6190
Dang! This looks great...too bad I'm going to be on the other side of the planet on the day :(
Title: Re: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: augie propersi on September 22, 2018, 08:16:03 pm
I will be there, Sound like a good time,

FYI;
 I have been researching testing/demoing
 the systems mentioned and settled on Frespeak  If you want to know why and my findings, email me

Thanks
Augie
Title: Re: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: Pete Erskine on September 23, 2018, 12:02:07 pm
I will be there, Sound like a good time,

FYI;
 I have been researching testing/demoing
 the systems mentioned and settled on Frespeak  If you want to know why and my findings, email me

Thanks
Augie

Bring it up in the AES Super forum....please
Title: Re: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: Jordan Wolf on September 23, 2018, 03:09:18 pm
Bring it up in AES super forum....please
Yes, please do!



Jordan
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Title: Re: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: Philip Roberts on November 09, 2018, 01:57:19 pm
Are you interested in the current terrific wireless Intercom technologies? Want to learn about

Clear-Com Freespeak,
Riedel Bolero,
RTS Romeo,
RAD UV-1G-1G,
Pliant Crewcom and
Unity intercom?

I am presenting an AES Super Forum at the NYC AES on October 19th at 1PM at the NY Javits Convention center To attend you must register for the forum sessions.

Do you know if this presentation will end up as one of the AES Live video's? I'd love to hear any reports or summaries about this discussion.

Philip
Title: Re: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: Pete Erskine on November 10, 2018, 12:10:14 am
Do you know if this presentation will end up as one of the AES Live video's? I'd love to hear any reports or summaries about this discussion.

Philip

There was a video made but I am told no videos are available yet

audio here . http://www.aes.org/publications/conventionrecordings/ (http://www.aes.org/publications/conventionrecordings/)
Title: Re: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: MikeHarris on November 10, 2018, 04:52:51 am
I will be there, Sound like a good time,

FYI;
 I have been researching testing/demoing
 the systems mentioned and settled on Frespeak  If you want to know why and my findings, email me

Thanks
Augie

After the seminars are you still fond of the Freespeak ?
Title: Re: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: Dave Stevens on November 11, 2018, 12:18:51 am
After the seminars are you still fond of the Freespeak ?

Are you using it?  What don't you like about it?
Title: Re: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: MikeHarris on November 11, 2018, 03:47:09 am
Are you using it?  What don't you like about it?

We are a pro audio dealer...looking to learn from you users.
Title: Re: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: Mac Kerr on November 11, 2018, 11:25:48 am
After the seminars are you still fond of the Freespeak ?

Here is his post on FB...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10214808168291029&set=a.2181367566975&type=3&theater

Mac
Title: Re: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: Pete Erskine on November 11, 2018, 02:10:05 pm
My personal reviews from AES event

http://www.aes.org/events/145/livesound/?ID=6190
Title: Re: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: Pete Erskine on November 11, 2018, 03:29:31 pm
Terrific android phone hardware for Unity Intercom.  military construction. 
Has dual sim but second sim not enabled yet. 

XP8 (https://sonimtech.com/xp8/)

works on cellular network even in very crowded stadiums.

CP Communications has 90 for rent. 

cpcomms.com (http://cpcomms.com/live-event-solutions/#equipment-rentals)
Title: Re: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: Ike Zimbel on November 11, 2018, 07:32:00 pm
My personal reviews from AES event

http://www.aes.org/events/143/soundreinforcement/?ID=5587
Hey Pete, Your "Con" on the RAD system, "programs only by USB" is not accurate. Both belt packs and base stations are fully programmable directly from their front panel UI.
Title: Re: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: Pete Erskine on November 12, 2018, 09:44:33 am
Hey Pete, Your "Con" on the RAD system, "programs only by USB" is not accurate. Both belt packs and base stations are fully programmable directly from their front panel UI.

You are totally right - what i should have said is

The computer programming can only be done over usb.  All functions can also be front panel programmed as well.
Title: Re: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: Ike Zimbel on November 17, 2018, 03:28:57 am
My personal reviews from AES event

http://www.aes.org/events/143/soundreinforcement/?ID=5587
Hey Pete, this link is actually for SR09, "Microphone Dressing for Theatre". Your session was SR10, but when you go to that page, there' just the original blurb for the session.
Title: Re: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: Mac Kerr on November 17, 2018, 11:50:45 am
Hey Pete, this link is actually for SR09, "Microphone Dressing for Theatre". Your session was SR10, but when you go to that page, there' just the original blurb for the session.

That microphone dressing session was also in last year's convention, 2017 not 2018. 143rd convention not 145th.

Mac

Title: Re: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: augie propersi on November 17, 2018, 06:08:08 pm
A few added notes

Freespeak II ;   9 ounces,  Very good battery life 15 hrs+, great sound,  loved by user, good pricing, good software browser based

Bolero; 14 oz,  Very good battery life 15 hrs+, great sound, Needs Artist system.  loved by users, expensive system, fair software

RAD;   23 oz  worst battery life 4 hrs, packs get hot,  great sound and good range, no delay, true sidetone ,Pack antenna is headset cord (can be problem),   users do not like pack,  expensive system not so good software
Title: Re: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: Pete Erskine on November 17, 2018, 08:10:39 pm
A few added notes

Freespeak II ;   9 ounces,  Very good battery life 15 hrs+, great sound,  loved by user, good pricing, good software browser based

Bolero; 14 oz,  Very good battery life 15 hrs+, great sound, Needs Artist system.  loved by users, expensive system, fair software

RAD;   23 oz  worst battery life 4 hrs, packs get hot,  great sound and good range, no delay, true sidetone ,Pack antenna is headset cord (can be problem),   users do not like pack,  expensive system not so good software

Nice notes, thanks.

FSII:  Browser based programming definitely a con.  No offline programming.
Bolero:  Now has stand alone system no need for Artist.  Some programming of bp and antennas also browser based, no offline programming
Title: Re: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: Ike Zimbel on November 17, 2018, 10:33:36 pm
A few added notes
RAD;   23 oz  worst battery life 4 hrs, packs get hot,  great sound and good range, no delay, true sidetone ,Pack antenna is headset cord (can be problem),   users do not like pack,  expensive system not so good software
I consistently get at least 8 hours out of a fully charged battery. Other features: Low battery warning on base station and low battery warning tone in headset (usually 20 minutes remaining when these are active).
The packs getting warm was an issue with early packs. The v2.0 packs currently shipping run much cooler with corresponding increase in battery life. The original SW was clunky, the current version is much more streamlined and responsive, runs on both Mac and Windows, and has been out for about a year now. If you looked at RAD when it first came out, it's really worth another look. The product has come a long way since it was first released.
Title: Re: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: Pete Erskine on November 18, 2018, 02:34:42 pm
the current version is much more streamlined and responsive, runs on both Mac and Windows, and has been out for about a year now. If you looked at RAD when it first came out, it's really worth another look. The product has come a long way since it was first released.

does it program on network
Title: Re: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: Ike Zimbel on November 18, 2018, 10:30:44 pm
does it program on network?
No, it's still a USB from a laptop to the hardware.
Title: Re: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: Andrew Broughton on December 06, 2018, 01:28:32 pm
Ok, so for someone looking to purchase a wireless COM system without breaking the bank, is the Unity Com system workable? I've used regular wireless COM for years, am quite familiar with how it works.
For those of you that have used the Unity, what would be the downsides. I understand that it's different, but is it disliked by people that are used to "regular" wireless COM?
Title: Re: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: Pete Erskine on December 06, 2018, 03:35:39 pm
Ok, so for someone looking to purchase a wireless COM system without breaking the bank, is the Unity Com system workable? I've used regular wireless COM for years, am quite familiar with how it works.
For those of you that have used the Unity, what would be the downsides. I understand that it's different, but is it disliked by people that are used to "regular" wireless COM?


actual software is not expensive but you need some hardware

1.  Needs a Mac server like mac mini
2.  network must have port 20101 and 20102 open if you are using unity connect
3.  Needs an ios or android phone.  Best one is Sonim XP8
4.  works most reliably on a cellular network, less so on wifi
5.  only 6 channels per phone but system can take in 64
6. can be operated with bluetooth pb
7. Unity sells lots of headsets for use with phones.
8. may need addl battery for phones - Sonim lasts all day

I have never heard that users do not like it compared to reg com - more often they are amazed
any specific questions?

see videos about Unity at http://www.bestaudio.com/unity/
Title: Re: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: Andrew Broughton on December 06, 2018, 08:11:39 pm
Thanks, Peter.

Do you think I could get away with using a dedicated 2009 MBP running El Capitan?

My typical use-case is just adding 4-6 wireless COM to a wired system for SM/ASM use. 1-channel is all that's needed, but I'm wondering if folks used to using beltpacks would not like it? I would think that having to press a non-tactile "talk" button on a smartphone would not be workable in the dark, so the BT button would be a must, as would proper headsets.
The Sonim phone looks interesting, but if I were using them as the "packs" for the Unity, I wonder if I can get WiFi only versions?

I was thinking a way to interface from the Unity server to COM could be one of these devices (https://studio-tech.com/products/model-45dc-dante-to-dual-party-line-intercom-interface/) from Studio Technologies. Soundcard and 4w to 2w interface all in one...


I guess I'm just trying to see if end users, when offered instead of a "normal" wireless COM pack, a smartphone with a headset and BT PTT would be disappointed.
Title: Re: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: Pete Erskine on December 06, 2018, 09:45:27 pm
Thanks, Peter.

Do you think I could get away with using a dedicated 2009 MBP running El Capitan?
any apple computer.  you still need to have a router with ports open.
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My typical use-case is just adding 4-6 wireless COM to a wired system for SM/ASM use. 1-channel is all that's needed, but I'm wondering if folks used to using beltpacks would not like it? I would think that having to press a non-tactile "talk" button on a smartphone would not be workable in the dark, so the BT button would be a must, as would proper headsets.
The Sonim phone looks interesting, but if I were using them as the "packs" for the Unity, I wonder if I can get WiFi only versions?
dont think so - I have not been happy with unity on wifi.
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I was thinking a way to interface from the Unity server to COM could be one of these devices (https://studio-tech.com/products/model-45dc-dante-to-dual-party-line-intercom-interface/) from Studio Technologies. Soundcard and 4w to 2w interface all in one...
maybe as long as the device looks like audio interfaces in the computer
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I guess I'm just trying to see if end users, when offered instead of a "normal" wireless COM pack, a smartphone with a headset and BT PTT would be disappointed.


there is a latency - 3-500 ms so they would complain about echo since they would be often adjacent.
Title: Re: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: Magnus Högkvist on December 07, 2018, 12:10:04 pm
any apple computer. 

Not really. From Unitys web page: "NOTE : Older Macs using Core™2 Duo processors or older are NOT supported. ( 2007 - 2008 approximately )"
Title: Re: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: Andrew Broughton on December 07, 2018, 01:30:36 pm
That's great info. Thanks, Pete!

One more question - can a client be used without a headset in a "walkie talkie" type mode?
Title: Re: Hear and see, in the same room 6 different wireless intercom systems at AES 2018
Post by: Pete Erskine on December 07, 2018, 01:35:33 pm
That's great info. Thanks, Pete!

One more question - can a client be used without a headset in a "walkie talkie" type mode?

yes.  this is in the settings of the client