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Title: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Tom Bourke on September 15, 2018, 03:24:29 am
We are looking to add some switches to our QL5 / RIO / Shure ULXD Dante systems.  While looking at the Cisco SG300 I noticed an EOL notice with the SG350 being the replacement.

As far as I can tell they are similar with the SG350 having more bandwidth and processing power.  QoS has 8 queues vs the 4 required and after reading the manual I think green internet can be fully disabled.

Am I missing anything else?  Any one used the new version?  I am planning the SG35010K9NA version (8+2 SF) for well under $200 each.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on September 15, 2018, 03:55:08 pm
Being able to disable the green ethernet/power saving features is the big one.

QoS only really matters if you are set up in a mixed network with other services, like video or regular internet traffic on the network. And even then, it's irrelevant if you have enough bandwidth for what you are doing on the network. If you are running a closed, Dante only audio network then it's a moot point. The other big one to look for is the total backplane bandwidth for all of the ports. The SG300/350 have 10 gigabit Ethernet ports, so you need to have at least 20 gigabits of bandwidth so that each port can operate at a full gigabit in both directions.
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Rick Earl on September 16, 2018, 05:42:20 pm
We are looking to add some switches to our QL5 / RIO / Shure ULXD Dante systems.  While looking at the Cisco SG300 I noticed an EOL notice with the SG350 being the replacement.

As far as I can tell they are similar with the SG350 having more bandwidth and processing power.  QoS has 8 queues vs the 4 required and after reading the manual I think green internet can be fully disabled.

Am I missing anything else?  Any one used the new version?  I am planning the SG35010K9NA version (8+2 SF) for well under $200 each.

Thank you.

I have used SG300's for a few years, mainly because I could manage them enough to connect them to the university's network without issues and I could add optics for long fiber runs I needed.   We did have an issue with one resetting last year which caused some problems when connecting to the network, but other than that, they have worked very well for our needs. For what you are doing, they should work well, especially if it is a stand alone network.  Our IT folks set us with some new  Cisco Catalyst 3560CX, they are much beefier, have an internal power supply, instead of a wall wart, and a easier for them to manage on our network when needed.   They cost quite a bit more, but so far they have been without issue.  For some events, we are running Dante' over the network between multiple venues, the two most distant being about 3/4 mile apart.
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Scott Holtzman on September 16, 2018, 06:24:22 pm
I have used SG300's for a few years, mainly because I could manage them enough to connect them to the university's network without issues and I could add optics for long fiber runs I needed.   We did have an issue with one resetting last year which caused some problems when connecting to the network, but other than that, they have worked very well for our needs. For what you are doing, they should work well, especially if it is a stand alone network.  Our IT folks set us with some new  Cisco Catalyst 3560CX, they are much beefier, have an internal power supply, instead of a wall wart, and a easier for them to manage on our network when needed.   They cost quite a bit more, but so far they have been without issue.  For some events, we are running Dante' over the network between multiple venues, the two most distant being about 3/4 mile apart.

You can buy used 3560G's for a song on eBay.  There is a learning curve for IOS but frankly the Cisco consumer switches aren't even considered a Cisco product by the network community.  I know they are the top of the food chain in the market though.

Enterprise grade switches are designed to simply not fail.  Add a redundant power supply and sleep easy.
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: David Sturzenbecher on September 16, 2018, 06:42:04 pm
IT folks set us with some new  Cisco Catalyst 3560CX, they are much beefier, have an internal power supply, instead of a wall wart, and a easier for them to manage on our network when needed. 

Most SG300s have internal power supplies. Just the smallest units have wall warts.


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Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Tom Bourke on September 17, 2018, 12:17:55 am
You can buy used 3560G's for a song on eBay.  There is a learning curve for IOS but frankly the Cisco consumer switches aren't even considered a Cisco product by the network community.  I know they are the top of the food chain in the market though.

Enterprise grade switches are designed to simply not fail.  Add a redundant power supply and sleep easy.
The irony is I use real Cisco stuff at home that I can buy on Ebay for next to nothing.  At work, they can't buy used.

All we need is to do is get Dante and control around the room.  If I use them in video world they will not have Dante on them.  I was just hopping that some one had used them with Dante with out problems.
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Scott Carneval on September 17, 2018, 08:50:47 am
I was just hopping that some one had used them with Dante with out problems.

I have a Cisco SG350-28MP-K9-NA in an install for about 6 months now with no issues. It's a 3-way divisible conference room with 3x Biamp TesiraForte DAN VT DSP's and 3x Shure MXA910 ceiling mic arrays. The mics are 8 channels of Dante each, and we're using Dante to route audio between the rooms when they are combined, so I think its about 30 streams total. We're also using the same switch for all of the Crestron gear, and to provide PoE (power only, no data traffic) to 6 cameras.
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Caleb Dueck on September 17, 2018, 10:36:57 am
Also look at the HP 2530 and 2930 switches.  We have many in larger AV installs, and unlike the SG300's - they are QSys approved.   Another integrator in the area also uses them as their go-to switches.

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Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Tim Hite on September 17, 2018, 02:54:03 pm
I've seen this topic coming up a few times, but haven't seen any one mention Yamaha's Dante enabled switches. The pricing doesn't seem too outrageous and the switches are ideal for being racked in for audio since they have ports on the back and the front.

http://www.yamahaproaudio.com/global/en/products/interfaces/swp1/

Let me know if you need pricing.

We are looking to add some switches to our QL5 / RIO / Shure ULXD Dante systems.  While looking at the Cisco SG300 I noticed an EOL notice with the SG350 being the replacement.

As far as I can tell they are similar with the SG350 having more bandwidth and processing power.  QoS has 8 queues vs the 4 required and after reading the manual I think green internet can be fully disabled.

Am I missing anything else?  Any one used the new version?  I am planning the SG35010K9NA version (8+2 SF) for well under $200 each.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on September 17, 2018, 08:36:09 pm
I've seen this topic coming up a few times, but haven't seen any one mention Yamaha's Dante enabled switches. The pricing doesn't seem too outrageous and the switches are ideal for being racked in for audio since they have ports on the back and the front.

http://www.yamahaproaudio.com/global/en/products/interfaces/swp1/ (http://www.yamahaproaudio.com/global/en/products/interfaces/swp1/)

Let me know if you need pricing.


I guess that depends on what your definition of "not too expensive is". Last time I looked the Yamaha switches were approaching $2,400. The SG300-10 was only about $160.
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Tom Bourke on September 17, 2018, 11:10:44 pm

I guess that depends on what your definition of "not too expensive is". Last time I looked the Yamaha switches were approaching $2,400. The SG300-10 was only about $160.
And I need 4 for redundant network!
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on September 18, 2018, 01:36:49 am
And I need 4 for redundant network!


I have four SG300-10s in the jazz club that I designed and is about to open in a couple weeks. They probably cost not much more than $600 for all four. No way would I be able to to install four of the Yamaha switches in this club.
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Tim Hite on September 18, 2018, 04:26:30 am
I wasn't trying to sound cavalier about money. There's an 8-port version without fiber for ~$1000. Certainly seems to tick a lot of the boxes for what I've seen people asking for on PSW.


I guess that depends on what your definition of "not too expensive is". Last time I looked the Yamaha switches were approaching $2,400. The SG300-10 was only about $160.

VLAN has option to configure with DIP switches so you could do a redundant network with only two of them without having to get into the weeds with switch management.

And I need 4 for redundant network!
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Steven Barnes on September 18, 2018, 09:48:40 am
I have used many variations of the SG350 and SG550, they all work fine for Dante and are all non-blocking switches (full bandwidth on all ports through the backplane). The new SG350 is essentially the old SG500 with the higher bandwidth SFP ports.

If you are looking at the Yamaha switches, I would check out the Luminex stuff. They are expensive, but offer some stupid easy configuration software for VLANs, and have preconfigured options for various production protocols that is nice if you are changing switch configurations often.
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Amek Anson on November 19, 2018, 01:07:59 pm
Question:
Cisco SG300 or 350 SFP Port, The MGBSX1 on Dante can supports up to 500 m?
Yamaha SWP transmission over distances of up to 300 meters? can More?
Multi Mode or Single on Dante any Different? Any one would be better?
i use Neutrik OpticalCon Duo X-Treme(Multi Mode) can Run Up to 500m?

Thanks

Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Steven Barnes on November 19, 2018, 01:36:37 pm
Question:
Cisco SG300 or 350 SFP Port, The MGBSX1 on Dante can supports up to 500 m?
Yamaha SWP transmission over distances of up to 300 meters? can More?
Multi Mode or Single on Dante any Different? Any one would be better?
i use Neutrik OpticalCon Duo X-Treme(Multi Mode) can Run Up to 500m?

Thanks

Cisco SG300 or 350 SFP Port, The MGBSX1 on Dante can supports up to 500 m?
- Yes this will do 500m with 850nm multimode fiber. This will be a 1Gb connection which should be more than enough for Dante.

Yamaha SWP transmission over distances of up to 300 meters? can More?
- Max distance per Yamaha is 300m. I wouldn't go any further if that is the max spec.

Multi Mode or Single on Dante any Different? Any one would be better?
- Single Mode will give you significantly more distance as it is laser based. Distance are in the 10-40km range with the correct transceivers.
- Multimode is typically what you will see for shorter distances (under 1500' or 500m).
- Both work fine for Dante, it is all just basic network infrastructure.

i use Neutrik OpticalCon Duo X-Treme(Multi Mode) can Run Up to 500m?
- With the correct transceivers you should be able to go 500m depending on the multimode you are using.
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Greg Bellotte on November 19, 2018, 02:53:34 pm
I'm using aftermarket SFPs from FS.com (single mode bi-directional) in my SG300/350 switches. Max distance between units to date is about 12,000ft/roughly 3.5kM. No issues...
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Amek Anson on November 19, 2018, 11:24:59 pm
Thanks

Cisco SG300 or 350 SFP Port, The MGBSX1 on Dante can supports up to 500 m?
- Yes this will do 500m with 850nm multimode fiber. This will be a 1Gb connection which should be more than enough for Dante.

Yamaha SWP transmission over distances of up to 300 meters? can More?
- Max distance per Yamaha is 300m. I wouldn't go any further if that is the max spec.

Multi Mode or Single on Dante any Different? Any one would be better?
- Single Mode will give you significantly more distance as it is laser based. Distance are in the 10-40km range with the correct transceivers.
- Multimode is typically what you will see for shorter distances (under 1500' or 500m).
- Both work fine for Dante, it is all just basic network infrastructure.

i use Neutrik OpticalCon Duo X-Treme(Multi Mode) can Run Up to 500m?
- With the correct transceivers you should be able to go 500m depending on the multimode you are using.
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Amek Anson on November 20, 2018, 02:03:07 pm
Use two Yamaha SWP for FOH & Stage L, The Stage R use Cisco SG300, can?

Cisco SG300 or 350 SFP Port, The MGBSX1 on Dante can supports up to 500 m?
- Yes this will do 500m with 850nm multimode fiber. This will be a 1Gb connection which should be more than enough for Dante.

Yamaha SWP transmission over distances of up to 300 meters? can More?
- Max distance per Yamaha is 300m. I wouldn't go any further if that is the max spec.

Multi Mode or Single on Dante any Different? Any one would be better?
- Single Mode will give you significantly more distance as it is laser based. Distance are in the 10-40km range with the correct transceivers.
- Multimode is typically what you will see for shorter distances (under 1500' or 500m).
- Both work fine for Dante, it is all just basic network infrastructure.

i use Neutrik OpticalCon Duo X-Treme(Multi Mode) can Run Up to 500m?
- With the correct transceivers you should be able to go 500m depending on the multimode you are using.
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Miguel Dahl on January 15, 2019, 06:44:45 pm
Looking into getting some new switches. I've understood that the SG300 is/was somewhat of a "reference" Dante switch (Audinate use them as examples).

Is the 350 a safe bet? They are way cheaper than the 300's.

Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Riley Casey on January 15, 2019, 09:52:58 pm
Eight port SG300s are under $150.  How much cheaper do you need to be to replace a $5000 analog snake?
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Bryan Hargrave on January 16, 2019, 11:38:43 am
I believe the 300 is no longer in production. That may be why the price is higher than the 350. Demand without knowing that the 350 is the newer version? I have both and will be only buying 350 models in the future. 126 bucks on Amazon. Can't really beat that for a switch that feature rich.

Looking into getting some new switches. I've understood that the SG300 is/was somewhat of a "reference" Dante switch (Audinate use them as examples).

Is the 350 a safe bet? They are way cheaper than the 300's.
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Miguel Dahl on January 18, 2019, 07:38:20 pm
Eight port SG300s are under $150.  How much cheaper do you need to be to replace a $5000 analog snake?

You misunderstood me. I was asking if the 350 is a safe bet even if it is cheaper than the 300, if it is lacking something.. But I see it is a solid switch. Not asking for the cheapest option.

Title: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Samuel Rees on January 20, 2019, 02:39:58 pm
Does anyone have a good understanding of the difference between the SG350-10P and Cisco SG350-10MP models? On the comparison on the website, the only difference I see so far is that the latter offers more total PoE wattage.

I also see they have external power supplies. Does anyone have any thoughts on using switches with external power supplies in mobile setups? Iíve always stuck with ones with internal power supplies, which arenít common in small and light switches, for fear of the external ones being easier to unplug and more difficult to manage the bricks in racks and etc.


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Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: David Sturzenbecher on January 20, 2019, 04:02:29 pm
Does anyone have a good understanding of the difference between the SG350-10P and Cisco SG350-10MP models? On the comparison on the website, the only difference I see so far is that the latter offers more total PoE wattage.

I also see they have external power supplies. Does anyone have any thoughts on using switches with external power supplies in mobile setups? Iíve always stuck with ones with internal power supplies, which arenít common in small and light switches, for fear of the external ones being easier to unplug and more difficult to manage the bricks in racks and etc.


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I always though MP = More Power... (insert Tim Allen joke here)

That extra bit of power is helpful when you are hanging off 40 some touchscreen controllers that all want POE.


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Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Samuel Rees on January 20, 2019, 04:05:30 pm
I always though MP = More Power... (insert Tim Allen joke here)

That extra bit of power is helpful when you are hanging off 40 some touchscreen controllers that all want POE.


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Hah ok, I wanted to make sure it wasnít something else that I was just missing. Anyone else worried by external supplies? I have ubiquiti toughswitches I use for everything right now as they have a built in power supply and two fit nicely in 1U, but they donít do IGMP snooping and Iím anticipating more mixed traffic network operations with more multicast in my future.


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Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Riley Casey on January 20, 2019, 04:44:03 pm
Whatever switches people look for with an eye toward Dante use I suggest that you make SFP fiber ports a part of your specifications.  Even if you don't stock fiber cable or use it on a regular basis it's an invaluable option to be set up for as a cross rentable item.  The actual SFP module doesn't need to be an up front cost and fiber solves a lot of otherwise intractable problems sometimes.
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Andrew Broughton on January 20, 2019, 05:10:10 pm
Whatever switches people look for with an eye toward Dante use I suggest that you make SFP fiber ports a part of your specifications.  Even if you don't stock fiber cable or use it on a regular basis it's an invaluable option to be set up for as a cross rentable item.  The actual SFP module doesn't need to be an up front cost and fiber solves a lot of otherwise intractable problems sometimes.
This.
I won't run Dante without Fiber between stage and FOH. Been bitten too many times. Also helps weed out the tire-kickers vs the real companies - Got fiber? Ok, you can supply. No fiber? Next!
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Benjamin Krumholz on January 21, 2019, 01:09:33 pm
I won't run Dante without Fiber between stage and FOH. Been bitten too many times. Also helps weed out the tire-kickers vs the real companies - Got fiber? Ok, you can supply. No fiber? Next!

We just a added few new SG350-10P and SG350-28p and SG350-10SFP to our armada of SG300..

Programming went well except for a few minor differences. Had to create a new running config since they will not cross load.. I will report if we have any major errors.. Also as a note we got the SG350-10SFP as a TRUNK SWITCHER..
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Scott Helmke on January 21, 2019, 01:50:20 pm
We had to bulk up on small switches recently, and ended up going for the SG250-08. They just came back from a month-long run with no complaints.
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on January 21, 2019, 04:13:30 pm
In the very compact switch category, I'm a big fan of the NetGear GS108T. It's a small 8 port managed switch that will allow you to disable the EEE features, which their other Prosafe models will not. About $60. I have two of them in my recording rack.

But the fact of the matter is that just about any gigabit ethernet switch will work if you are not running a mixed network. I.e. not running video, or other internet traffic, print servers, etc... on the same network. An unmanaged switch used exclusively for Dante will work fine also (as long as you can disable the EEE/powersaving/Green ethernet features.)
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Ade Stuart on January 21, 2019, 05:47:34 pm
Anyone else worried by external supplies?
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They can be a PITA, the small port count POE models have particularly large power supplies.
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Samuel Rees on January 21, 2019, 05:50:11 pm
They can be a PITA, the small port count POE models have particularly large power supplies.

Iím most worried about the supply being easily disconnected, and how to manage and place those supplies in racks.


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Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Riley Casey on January 21, 2019, 08:59:50 pm
Sticky back Velcro works well for that sort of thing both in securing wall warts and securing the mini DC supply plugs.

Iím most worried about the supply being easily disconnected, and how to manage and place those supplies in racks.


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Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Miguel Dahl on January 22, 2019, 12:47:03 pm
Iím most worried about the supply being easily disconnected, and how to manage and place those supplies in racks.


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You can use a short extension cable from the supply to the power inside the rack, so the weight of the supply doesn't make it fall off the receptacle.
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Andrew Broughton on January 22, 2019, 01:08:17 pm
If you're not locking down your wall warts or better yet, replacing them with something that can be mounted, you're just being lazy!

(https://www.furmanpower.com/sites/default/files/_/products/pluglock_main-20.jpg)
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/150027-REG/Furman_PLUGLOCK_PFP_Locking_Outlet_Strip_120v_15a.html (https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/150027-REG/Furman_PLUGLOCK_PFP_Locking_Outlet_Strip_120v_15a.html)


(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71Gj6dDSo4L._SL1500_.jpg)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BGSWWG2/ref=dp_cerb_1 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BGSWWG2/ref=dp_cerb_1)
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Chris Hindle on January 22, 2019, 03:49:21 pm
If you're not locking down your wall warts or better yet, replacing them with something that can be mounted, you're just being lazy!

(https://www.furmanpower.com/sites/default/files/_/products/pluglock_main-20.jpg)
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/150027-REG/Furman_PLUGLOCK_PFP_Locking_Outlet_Strip_120v_15a.html (https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/150027-REG/Furman_PLUGLOCK_PFP_Locking_Outlet_Strip_120v_15a.html)


(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71Gj6dDSo4L._SL1500_.jpg)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BGSWWG2/ref=dp_cerb_1 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BGSWWG2/ref=dp_cerb_1)

I just use Tie-Wraps to hold the blocks to the power strip. Drilled a few holes in the shelf for them to pass through.
Your way looks prettier, but you've never seen the back of my processing rack.... There's a door there for a reason..
Other than Sticky Paws. Doors got installed after sabotage attempts at a "Battle of the Bands" last century.
Chris.
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Scott Helmke on January 22, 2019, 04:30:30 pm
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71Gj6dDSo4L._SL1500_.jpg)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BGSWWG2/ref=dp_cerb_1 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BGSWWG2/ref=dp_cerb_1)

Not sure I'd recommend an LED driver - those are designed to be constant current, and can be a bit variable in actual voltage depending on the load.
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Thomas Dameron on January 22, 2019, 04:55:57 pm
In the very compact switch category, I'm a big fan of the NetGear GS108T. It's a small 8 port managed switch that will allow you to disable the EEE features, which their other Prosafe models will not. About $60. I have two of them in my recording rack.

But the fact of the matter is that just about any gigabit ethernet switch will work if you are not running a mixed network. I.e. not running video, or other internet traffic, print servers, etc... on the same network. An unmanaged switch used exclusively for Dante will work fine also (as long as you can disable the EEE/powersaving/Green ethernet features.)

I agree that the GS108T is a great little switch.  I keep a pair in my pelican.  However, I've started to migrate them to GS110TPv2, the POE version.  It's slightly larger but can power Avio and similar adapters. 

What I've learned with the Netgear lines is that the Smart Managed Plus products are no bueno with Dante, but the Smart Managed Pro products are good to go.  One other note is that it's nice that they ship with the EEE off, so for Dante only, unicast networks there is zero configuration needed.

thomas d.
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Bob Charest on January 22, 2019, 05:39:32 pm
One solution is to use a DC power distribution unit. I replaced all the wall warts on my Sennheiser gear by doing that. I just snipped the wall wart off and wired directly into the DC distribution unit. No weight, no worries. It was rocksolid from the day I installed it until the day I moved to different equipment


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Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Lee Buckalew on January 22, 2019, 06:20:34 pm
In the very compact switch category, I'm a big fan of the NetGear GS108T. It's a small 8 port managed switch that will allow you to disable the EEE features, which their other Prosafe models will not. About $60. I have two of them in my recording rack.


Just an FYI that we just discovered (the hard way, they actually caused problems on an install).  Shure has an additional list of disqualified switches beyond the list at Audinate's site.

Directly from the Shure site;
"All ProSafe unmanaged switches, including but not limited to:
FS105, 108, 108P, 116, and 116P
JFS516, 524
GS105, 108, 110, 116, MX, E and PE models
JGS516, 524, E and PE models
GSS108, 116, E and EPP models
GS and FS305, 308, 316, 324, 605NA, 750E"

Lee
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on January 22, 2019, 07:31:55 pm
Just an FYI that we just discovered (the hard way, they actually caused problems on an install).  Shure has an additional list of disqualified switches beyond the list at Audinate's site.

Directly from the Shure site;
"All ProSafe unmanaged switches, including but not limited to:
FS105, 108, 108P, 116, and 116P
JFS516, 524
GS105, 108, 110, 116, MX, E and PE models
JGS516, 524, E and PE models
GSS108, 116, E and EPP models
GS and FS305, 308, 316, 324, 605NA, 750E"

Lee


Thanks for that, I'll have to look up what all they list.


But, the GS 108T is a managed switch, and it's specifically not included with that list. The NetGear line is somewhat confusing, as their Pro Safe switches are broken down into non comparable differentiations. The GS 108T is a managed switch which allows you to turn off EEE or Green ethernet as they call it. The GS108Ev3 is a managed switch for which you can not disable the EEE. (found that out the hard way too). And they look nearly identical, and are in the same price range.
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Andrew Broughton on January 22, 2019, 08:09:34 pm
Not sure I'd recommend an LED driver - those are designed to be constant current, and can be a bit variable in actual voltage depending on the load.
Not sure if that one is that way, but you get the idea of what I'm suggesting.
Basically, a "Mountable" power supply of some sort is what I'm getting at. There's millions of them out there, doesn't have to be this one. Just the first one I saw on the 'net.
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Helge A Bentsen on January 23, 2019, 01:04:17 pm
Just an FYI that we just discovered (the hard way, they actually caused problems on an install).  Shure has an additional list of disqualified switches beyond the list at Audinate's site.

Directly from the Shure site;
"All ProSafe unmanaged switches, including but not limited to:
FS105, 108, 108P, 116, and 116P
JFS516, 524
GS105, 108, 110, 116, MX, E and PE models
JGS516, 524, E and PE models
GSS108, 116, E and EPP models
GS and FS305, 308, 316, 324, 605NA, 750E"

Lee

I have a GS108PE, havenít had any issues with it so far (knock on wood).
Do you know what the issue could be with it?
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Lee Buckalew on January 23, 2019, 02:07:27 pm
I have a GS108PE, havenít had any issues with it so far (knock on wood).
Do you know what the issue could be with it?

After the last Shure firmware update the ProSafe unmanaged switches would not allow the Shure Utility (GUI interface to their devices) to function correctly.  It would lock up while attempting to connect so no control could be achieved. 
Shure would not provide any additional assistance since the switches were on their disqualified list.

Lee
Title: Re: Cisco SG300 EOL, SG350 OK for dante?
Post by: Rob Spence on January 23, 2019, 05:47:54 pm
If you're not locking down your wall warts or better yet, replacing them with something that can be mounted, you're just being lazy!

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https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/150027-REG/Furman_PLUGLOCK_PFP_Locking_Outlet_Strip_120v_15a.html (https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/150027-REG/Furman_PLUGLOCK_PFP_Locking_Outlet_Strip_120v_15a.html)


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I have one of those power strips in the doghouse of each console. Love em.



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