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Title: More Bill Hanley vertical array technology
Post by: Doug Fowler on May 29, 2012, 03:11:41 pm
Rolling Stones @ Madison Square Garden, 27 November 1969
Technology by Bill Hanley, photo courtesy of David Scheirman


Title: Re: More Bill Hanley vertical array technology
Post by: ignacio sanchez on June 13, 2012, 06:06:17 pm
wuauw nice picture  looks amazing i like to know  how sounded this  ???
Title: Re: More Bill Hanley vertical array technology
Post by: Mike Christy on June 13, 2012, 07:28:09 pm
Rolling Stones @ Madison Square Garden, 27 November 1969
Technology by Bill Hanley, photo courtesy of David Scheirman

Wow, 3 months after Woodstock - he must have been doing lots of experimenting and making some serious sawdust back then. Wonder if he got his mixer working?
Title: Re: More Bill Hanley vertical array technology
Post by: michael sveda on September 24, 2012, 11:13:09 am
Wonder what drivers were in those boxes
Title: Re: More Bill Hanley vertical array technology
Post by: TrevorMilburn on September 26, 2012, 05:53:33 am
Wonder what drivers were in those boxes
About 2 or 3 years after these pics were taken, there was a gig at the Oval in London featuring Hawkwind & Frank Zappa using the 'Rolling Stones PA' which comprised RCA-type bins and a large number of JBL horns & tweeters. Is it possible that this is the same system with the Bins flown either side of the stage and the mids/highs flown centrally? I can't make out from the pic what the central flying basket contains so can't be sure but the size would appear to be the same (the Oval concert had a standard set-up with Bas/Mid/High speakers stacked  left & right of stage on scaffold in a very haphazard manner).

Update - I downloaded the pic and edited in Picasa and it does indeed look like a load of horns in the centrally flown basket but I can't get enough definition from the pic to ascertain what types and how many.

Update. There was a programme on Radio4 today http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01ng098/For_One_Night_Only_Series_7_Get_Yer_YaYas_Out!/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01ng098/For_One_Night_Only_Series_7_Get_Yer_YaYas_Out!/) presented by Paul Gambacinni talking about the tour that culminated in these self same shows at Madison Square Garden. No mention of the sound but some stuff about the lighting and rigging. The tour was the first where the show carried its own lighting system - it was designed by a theatrical lighting designer and the rigging caused many problems due to time constraints - at MSG the rigging was set up by the union personnel and had to be re-rigged by the crew in double quick due to misunderstandings. The entire tour entourage consisted of 16 people including the band and photographer!
Title: Re: More Bill Hanley vertical array technology
Post by: Irwan Prasetyo on November 30, 2012, 09:49:03 pm
Rolling Stones @ Madison Square Garden, 27 November 1969
Technology by Bill Hanley, photo courtesy of David Scheirman

Is it first line array??
Title: Re: More Bill Hanley vertical array technology
Post by: Ivan Beaver on November 30, 2012, 10:21:35 pm
Is it first line array??
Depends on what you call a "line array".

Olsen described line arrays (and the problems they would have) many years before that.  And "column speakers" had been around for many years as well.
Title: Re: More Bill Hanley vertical array technology
Post by: Irwan Prasetyo on December 01, 2012, 03:17:16 am
Depends on what you call a "line array".

Olsen described line arrays (and the problems they would have) many years before that.  And "column speakers" had been around for many years as well.

I mean broadband line source array.
Because from what i know, LAcoustic was the first implemented broadband line source array.Though it's not really broadband.
Title: Re: More Bill Hanley vertical array technology
Post by: Ivan Beaver on December 01, 2012, 08:57:44 am
I mean broadband line source array.
Because from what i know, LAcoustic was the first implemented broadband line source array.Though it's not really broadband.
It also depends on how you want to determine that.

It was very common practice to do what was called "stack and splay"  Where the horns would be stacked and slightly turned for  coverage.  Sometimes the mids.

But if you are talking about simply stacking full range cabinets on top of each other-that is a different thing.

Where the current "line array" theory comes into play is where Christian Heil was actually addressing the interactions between elements and boxes-spacing etc.

That is something that very few earlier had considered-in a vertical setup.

So as usual-it depends on exactly what you mean.
Title: Re: More Bill Hanley vertical array technology
Post by: Jim Baron on January 05, 2013, 06:12:08 am
So are these boxes still a mystery?   And was that four-box array supplemented by any others in the arena?
Title: Re: More Bill Hanley vertical array technology
Post by: TrevorMilburn on January 06, 2013, 02:20:59 am
So are these boxes still a mystery?   And was that four-box array supplemented by any others in the arena?
I still go with my original verdict of two hangs of 4xRCA-type subs (2x15s) and a flying basket of mixed horns/tweeters in the centre. I really don't think it was a forerunner to modern all-in-one 'line-array' (sic) boxes simply a way to get maximum output and coverage from what was a very 'ordinary' system.