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Title: Delay Speaker Towers: 1973 Watkins Glen Festival (New York) 600,000 on site
Post by: Doug Fowler on May 29, 2012, 03:05:17 pm
Photo supplied by David Scheirman.

Headliners were Grateful Dead and The Allman Brothers, co-headlining.
On site support by Clair Bros. Audio, Lititz PA and Carlo Sound, Nashville TN.
Title: Re: Delay Speaker Towers: 1973 Watkins Glen Festival (New York) 600,000 on site
Post by: Tim Weaver on May 29, 2012, 10:12:31 pm
Photo supplied by David Scheirman.

Headliners were Grateful Dead and The Allman Brothers, co-headlining.
On site support by Clair Bros. Audio, Lititz PA and Carlo Sound, Nashville TN.

Is that a dog on the near scaffold deck?
Title: Re: Delay Speaker Towers: 1973 Watkins Glen Festival (New York) 600,000 on site
Post by: brian maddox on May 29, 2012, 11:12:01 pm
Is that a dog on the near scaffold deck?

okay, i know what a patch monkey is.  but i'm not familiar with the delay dog.  maybe i'm just not old enough...
Title: Re: Delay Speaker Towers: 1973 Watkins Glen Festival (New York) 600,000 on site
Post by: Ivan Beaver on May 30, 2012, 07:17:44 am
Is that a dog on the near scaffold deck?
Guard dog to keep people off????
Title: Re: Delay Speaker Towers: 1973 Watkins Glen Festival (New York) 600,000 on site
Post by: Hayden J. Nebus on May 30, 2012, 12:18:45 pm
I want a delay dog for all my gigs!

My father has a great story about gate crashing this festival in a second hand ambulance.
Title: Re: Delay Speaker Towers: 1973 Watkins Glen Festival (New York) 600,000 on site
Post by: Greg Hershey on June 01, 2012, 10:13:12 am
I want a delay dog for all my gigs!

My father has a great story about gate crashing this festival in a second hand ambulance.


Some of us Hitchhiked there.....................
Title: Re: Delay Speaker Towers: 1973 Watkins Glen Festival (New York) 600,000 on site
Post by: duane massey on June 03, 2012, 09:05:23 pm
It's the little-known K9 Organic Woofer, which never really caught on, as the random howls were considered distracting.
Title: Re: Delay Speaker Towers: 1973 Watkins Glen Festival (New York) 600,000 on site
Post by: Jeff Bankston on June 05, 2012, 06:35:51 am
It's the little-known K9 Organic Woofer, which never really caught on, as the random howls were considered distracting.
sounds to me like a load of dogfood !
Title: Re: Delay Speaker Towers: 1973 Watkins Glen Festival (New York) 600,000 on site
Post by: Paul Tucci on June 08, 2012, 11:02:17 pm
Photo supplied by David Scheirman.

Headliners were Grateful Dead and The Allman Brothers, co-headlining.
On site support by Clair Bros. Audio, Lititz PA and Carlo Sound, Nashville TN.

Doug,

Thanks.  Great memories from that show...I spent a few days 100' off the deck wondering how they got the musical notes to fly out of the speakers. 40 years into my career I still can't do it like that :)
The Band was also on the bill.

PT
Title: Re: Delay Speaker Towers: 1973 Watkins Glen Festival (New York) 600,000 on site
Post by: Tim Weaver on June 09, 2012, 11:17:50 am
Doug,

Thanks.  Great memories from that show...I spent a few days 100' off the deck wondering how they got the musical notes to fly out of the speakers. 40 years into my career I still can't do it like that :)
The Band was also on the bill.

PT

Paul, that was the window pane making the notes fly out of the speakers.  ;)
Title: Re: Delay Speaker Towers: 1973 Watkins Glen Festival (New York) – 600,000 on site
Post by: Gary Green on February 17, 2013, 12:15:53 pm
Doug,

Thanks.  Great memories from that show...I spent a few days 100' off the deck wondering how they got the musical notes to fly out of the speakers. 40 years into my career I still can't do it like that :)
The Band was also on the bill.

PT
adding to the fun....I have a handful of these unseen except by me and  a few friends. Would love to see what every one else has of this festival or any other in the Northeast during the 70s..
Title: Re: Delay Speaker Towers: 1973 Watkins Glen Festival (New York) 600,000 on site
Post by: Ivan Beaver on February 17, 2013, 12:28:01 pm
Paul, that was the window pane making the notes fly out of the speakers.  ;)
Flying out or "floating out" in circles?
Title: Re: Delay Speaker Towers: 1973 Watkins Glen Festival (New York) 600,000 on site
Post by: Robert Patch on April 15, 2013, 09:30:16 pm
Flying out or "floating out" in circles?

Sounds like the voice of experience!
Title: Re: Delay Speaker Towers: 1973 Watkins Glen Festival (New York) 600,000 on site
Post by: Ivan Beaver on April 15, 2013, 09:42:26 pm
Sounds like the voice of experience!
No-but I have seen some SERIOUSLY messed up people on "window pane" and "locker room".

At my first punk gig (Black Market  Baby), my "body guard" had to almost break the legs of a guy who would not stop coming-show was so messed up.
Title: Re: Delay Speaker Towers: 1973 Watkins Glen Festival (New York) 600,000 on site
Post by: Brent Gillespie on April 15, 2013, 10:30:10 pm
No-but I have seen some SERIOUSLY messed up people on "window pane" and "locker room".

At my first punk gig (Black Market  Baby), my "body guard" had to almost break the legs of a guy who would not stop coming-show was so messed up.

Ivan,    was  "Locker Room"    amyl nitrate  ?   I seem to recall  that stuff  when I was in junior high in the 70's.    Brent
Title: Re: Delay Speaker Towers: 1973 Watkins Glen Festival (New York) 600,000 on site
Post by: Tim McCulloch on April 16, 2013, 01:00:30 am
Ivan,    was  "Locker Room"    amyl nitrate  ?   I seem to recall  that stuff  when I was in junior high in the 70's.    Brent

Party juice for a street samba during Carnival.

Vasodilator once used to treat angina pectoris.

Take your pick.
Title: Re: Delay Speaker Towers: 1973 Watkins Glen Festival (New York) 600,000 on site
Post by: Ivan Beaver on April 16, 2013, 06:22:12 am
Ivan,    was  "Locker Room"    amyl nitrate  ?   I seem to recall  that stuff  when I was in junior high in the 70's.    Brent
Yep
Title: Re: Delay Speaker Towers: 1973 Watkins Glen Festival (New York) 600,000 on site
Post by: Jonathan Goodall on April 29, 2013, 07:01:57 am
Party juice for a street samba during Carnival.

Vasodilator once used to treat angina pectoris.

Take your pick.

Also used as an antidote for cyanide poisoning, if you are fast enough.............
Title: Re: Delay Speaker Towers: 1973 Watkins Glen Festival (New York) 600,000 on site
Post by: RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS on April 29, 2013, 06:07:03 pm
Photo supplied by David Scheirman.

Headliners were Grateful Dead and The Allman Brothers, co-headlining.
On site support by Clair Bros. Audio, Lititz PA and Carlo Sound, Nashville TN.

Aside from all the talk about the dog, how did they delay the audio back then?  Was it a tape loop?
Title: Re: Delay Speaker Towers: 1973 Watkins Glen Festival (New York) 600,000 on site
Post by: Ivan Beaver on April 29, 2013, 07:26:09 pm
Was it a tape loop?
Tape loop was one way-and long before tape existed-they used a small speaker in a long coiled tube (the length of time needed for the delay) with a mic in the end.  The idea being that in a plane wave tube there is no loss and then the mic would go to the delay speakers.

Not quite as easy as punching in a number these days.
Title: Re: Delay Speaker Towers: 1973 Watkins Glen Festival (New York) 600,000 on site
Post by: Art Welter on June 03, 2013, 03:35:30 pm
Tape loop was one way-and long before tape existed-they used a small speaker in a long coiled tube (the length of time needed for the delay) with a mic in the end.  The idea being that in a plane wave tube there is no loss and then the mic would go to the delay speakers.

Not quite as easy as punching in a number these days.
Ivan,

I remember lugging a Revox A-77 tape recorder in and out of clubs in the 1970's, using it as tape delay. Weighed around 60 pounds in the case.
An Echoplex would have been cheaper, lighter and more variable, but the Revox was more "hi-fi"  ;).
Running four hours a night in smoky bars wore the heads down to where they should have been re-lapped, but it still was used for click track playback of backing tracks for Andy Williams in the mid 1980's, using foil tape between songs to trigger an automatic stop mechanism we added.

The Cooper Time Cube was a UREI-branded, Bill Putman/Duane H. Cooper coiled tube delay  device first made in 1971.
It had 14ms, 16ms or a combined 30ms delay, too short for the delay speakers  needed  on big  shows.
The Time Cube was popular in high end studios (1000 were sold), but I  never heard of them being used other than for effects on a live show, too feedback prone, using Shure SM57 cartridges for both the microphone and speaker.

Have you heard of an actual event that used coiled tubes for sound delay on a show?

Art
Title: Re: Delay Speaker Towers: 1973 Watkins Glen Festival (New York) 600,000 on site
Post by: Ivan Beaver on June 03, 2013, 09:15:38 pm



Have you heard of an actual event that used coiled tubes for sound delay on a show?

Art
I don't know any specifics-but believe the coiled tubes were back in the 30-40's before tape recorders were widely used.

That is what I have "heard" anyway.  It was a bit before my time.
Title: Re: Delay Speaker Towers: 1973 Watkins Glen Festival (New York) 600,000 on site
Post by: Paul Tucci on January 07, 2015, 02:30:20 pm
Imagine my surprise when I found my self in the picture Eventide is using in their "In 1973, Delay Went a Little Digital" print ad.

PT
Title: Re: Delay Speaker Towers: 1973 Watkins Glen Festival (New York) 600,000 on site
Post by: Ivan Beaver on January 07, 2015, 07:16:33 pm
Paul, that was the window pane making the notes fly out of the speakers.  ;)
And into your ears-mixing with the "experience" (and other things) giving a unique situation-------------

As the saying goes: If you remember the 60's (70's) you really weren't there.
Title: Re: Delay Speaker Towers: 1973 Watkins Glen Festival (New York) 600,000 on site
Post by: Tim McCulloch on January 08, 2015, 12:39:42 am
And into your ears-mixing with the "experience" (and other things) giving a unique situation-------------

As the saying goes: If you remember the 60's (70's) you really weren't there.

I remember each.  The 60's saw me get to Jr. High so there wasn't a lot of depravity (in spite of what Art Linkletter was telling parents).  The 70's?  Eh... Uh... I remember graduating from high school and going to college, only to discover 3 years later that I hated teaching (and my degree was performing arts education).  UGG.  The first of several career alignments led to more interesting pass times and eventually my first band-in-a-van gig.  With enough sleep deprivation you don't need drugs to be stupid...

Now I can blame it on encroaching senility... ;)