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Title: Setting up a practice room
Post by: Eric Jowell on February 08, 2011, 06:01:38 pm
We have a small 12x15 foot practice room that we are trying to dial in. It has foam paneling and carpet on all surfaces except the ceiling. The problem we are having is feedback with our PA system. Our current setup has the drums facing everyone with the PA and the Monitors behind him facing the rest of the band. Our mics are positioned away from the speakers and the drums yet we still get feedback when we start playing. We just bought a powered Eurolive B2015 Active Monitor to add to our system so we can increase the threshold of power and range without having to crank up the volume on our PA. We haven't tested it yet but I have a feeling it's all about positioning and volume. My diagnosis is that we are getting so much feedback because we have to turn the PA up so loud to hear the vocals and its only a 400watt PA (Yamaha EMX640). Also the EQ on all channels are flat, so it couldn't be the EQ could it? Effects are all off.

Anyone have ideas on how we can reduce vocal feedback in such a small space while having the vocals decently loud? Right now our singer is having to use everything hes got in practice just to hear himself, which is not good at all.
Title: Re: Setting up a practice room
Post by: Charlie Zureki on February 08, 2011, 06:43:57 pm
  Hello Eric,

  Simplest answers...get a bigger room, spread out, don't aim the "mains" at the microphones,  and learn how to minimize feedback...use the "archives" and this forum's "search".
 
 And... post these types of questions in the "lounge"

 Cheers,
 Hammer

 
Title: Re: Setting up a practice room
Post by: Eric Jowell on February 08, 2011, 09:22:29 pm
Not very helpful, pretty cocky answer. Shouldn't expect anything less here...

Maybe some one else has an actual answer for my particular situation? We don't need a bigger room and can't afford one. So if we could, why would I even be here asking a stupid question like that?
Title: Re: Setting up a practice room
Post by: Dick Rees on February 08, 2011, 09:32:38 pm
There'll be plenty more room for you if you lose the ego, chum.  You've asked a pretty "stupid question" (quoting your own words) in a forum whose clearly stated purpose is "topics related to sound reinforcement and application of audio, products and technology for live events." Setting up a practice room hardly falls within this purview.

Look it up.
Title: Re: Setting up a practice room
Post by: Eric Jowell on February 08, 2011, 09:42:47 pm
How about fuck you and this forum? I'm out - good riddance, and good luck applying your ass to your face in a live application of self fucking.
Title: Re: Setting up a practice room
Post by: Bennett Prescott on February 08, 2011, 11:28:41 pm
Eric Jowell wrote on Tue, 08 February 2011 21:42

How about fuck you and this forum? I'm out - good riddance, and good luck applying your ass to your face in a live application of self fucking.

Ha ha ha!

Right in the ear hole!

index.php/fa/34931/0/
Title: Re: Setting up a practice room
Post by: Ben Johnson on February 09, 2011, 12:11:31 am
Eric Jowell wrote on Tue, 08 February 2011 20:42

How about fuck you and this forum? I'm out - good riddance, and good luck applying your ass to your face in a live application of self fucking.


He's leaving?  Without him the old forums won't last another month.

Ben
Title: Re: Setting up a practice room
Post by: Charlie Zureki on February 09, 2011, 07:18:17 am
Eric Jowell wrote on Tue, 08 February 2011 20:22

Not very helpful, pretty cocky answer. Shouldn't expect anything less here...

Maybe some one else has an actual answer for my particular situation? We don't need a bigger room and can't afford one. So if we could, why would I even be here asking a stupid question like that?


 Eric,

  In your post you've asked some complex questions, given that we do NOT know how you have your Sound gear and instruments set up, what type of band gear you have, and the levels, (including eq), that you are pushing, also with, everything being in a very small room.

  There is no other easy set of answers, based on the information that you've given, that I could have offered.
 (you never mentioned what frequency that you thought was feeding back or even what instrument you thought was feeding back)

  When someone posts a question, which, at the time may seem simple to them, but, could be a complicated problem, the easiest and quickest answer for the poster ...is for them to do their own homework.

  I had pointed you in the right direction in regards to finding a solution to your problem....(Library, Archives, and "search" function) (and, don't point your speakers at the mics)  

  For you to deal with the symptom (feedback), you need to understand what causes feedback.

 
 Hammer

 

 
Title: Re: Setting up a practice room
Post by: Charlie Zureki on February 09, 2011, 07:25:03 am
Eric Jowell wrote on Tue, 08 February 2011 20:42

How about fuck you and this forum? I'm out - good riddance, and good luck applying your ass to your face in a live application of self fucking.


  Wow, you really know how to get your questions answered. Laughing

  Hammer

 


 
Title: Re: Setting up a practice room
Post by: Scott Crawford on February 09, 2011, 11:40:42 am
I guess he is gone now. I just sat down with my popcorn.

Scott
Title: Re: Setting up a practice room
Post by: Charlie Zureki on February 09, 2011, 11:48:02 am
Scott Crawford wrote on Wed, 09 February 2011 10:40

I guess he is gone now. I just sat down with my popcorn.

Scott


 Damn...I was just getting to like his impatience and his unwillingness to learn.

 Do you think he's the Lead Guitar Player, or Lead Singer?  Rolling Eyes

  Hammer

 

 

 
Title: Re: Setting up a practice room
Post by: Scott Crawford on February 09, 2011, 11:59:48 am

Charlie Zureki wrote on Wed, 09 February 2011 10:48

Scott Crawford wrote on Wed, 09 February 2011 10:40

I guess he is gone now. I just sat down with my popcorn.

Scott


 Damn...I was just getting to like his impatience and his unwillingness to learn.

 Do you think he's the Lead Guitar Player, or Lead Singer?  Rolling Eyes

  Hammer

 I`ve been sitting here in  LOUISIANA waiting on the snow and contemplating that exact question. He was beginning to show signs of both..

By the way just had some guys in my room from up your way.  "Uncle Kracker " was in my room Saturday.

 

 

Title: Re: Setting up a practice room
Post by: Dick Rees on February 09, 2011, 12:01:35 pm
Charlie Zureki wrote on Wed, 09 February 2011 10:48

Scott Crawford wrote on Wed, 09 February 2011 10:40

I guess he is gone now. I just sat down with my popcorn.

Scott


 Damn...I was just getting to like his impatience and his unwillingness to learn.

 Do you think he's the Lead Guitar Player, or Lead Singer?  Rolling Eyes

  Hammer
 


Yup. It's always handy to know someone who can "increase the threshold of power".
Title: Re: Setting up a practice room
Post by: Scott Crawford on February 09, 2011, 12:09:43 pm
I messed that quote box all up. Sorry about that.
Scott
Scott Crawford wrote on Wed, 09 February 2011 10:59


Charlie Zureki wrote on Wed, 09 February 2011 10:48

Scott Crawford wrote on Wed, 09 February 2011 10:40

I guess he is gone now. I just sat down with my popcorn.

Scott


 Damn...I was just getting to like his impatience and his unwillingness to learn.

 Do you think he's the Lead Guitar Player, or Lead Singer?  Rolling Eyes

  Hammer

 I`ve been sitting here in  LOUISIANA waiting on the snow and contemplating that exact question. He was beginning to show signs of both..

By the way just had some guys in my room from up your way.  "Uncle Kracker " was in my room Saturday.

 

 



Title: Re: Setting up a practice room
Post by: Charlie Zureki on February 09, 2011, 12:10:06 pm
Scott Crawford wrote on Wed, 09 February 2011 10:59




 I`ve been sitting here in  LOUISIANA waiting on the snow and contemplating that exact question. He was beginning to show signs of both..

By the way just had some guys in my room from up your way.  "Uncle Kracker " was in my room Saturday.




  Hello Scott,

 Are you in the New Orleans area?  I used to live there...Kenner... a fine town.

 Met Kracker a few times...don't really know him, or much of his Music. Seems as though he's a beer drinking, Michigan boy.

 Hope you/Kracker had a good Show.

 Cheers and stay warm,
 Hammer
Title: Re: Setting up a practice room
Post by: Charlie Zureki on February 09, 2011, 12:15:04 pm
Dick Rees wrote on Wed, 09 February 2011 11:01



Yup. It's always handy to know someone who can "increase the threshold of power".



  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing

 Dick, you made me spit-up my Diet Pepsi on my shirt!

 Hammer
Title: Re: Setting up a practice room
Post by: Scott Crawford on February 09, 2011, 12:24:21 pm
Shreveport here. Did do some time in Metarie myself. The show was pretty good. Fly date so it  was rented backline etc. I mixed monitors, couldn`t have asked for an easier night. I think your correct, they can put back  a few beers.

Scott
Title: Re: Setting up a practice room
Post by: Geoff Doane on February 09, 2011, 02:24:24 pm
Bennett Prescott wrote on Wed, 09 February 2011 00:28

Right in the ear hole!




Who's the kid Bennett?  Some budding soccer hooligan? Laughing
GTD
Title: Re: Setting up a practice room
Post by: jeff harrell on February 09, 2011, 07:54:30 pm
well my drums alone take up a 10x11 foot area. we rent a space about 15x25. i have never ben in a band rehersal where we used monitors. i have always had the guitar/bass players use there 100+ watt single stacks aimed at me and we all here each other just fine. we use a monitor speaker for the vocals and its out in front of me and i do the singing. when we want to hear how we sound at rehersal i set up 4 cheap mics in the room plugged into the little pracitce board and record on a nakamichi mr1 tape deck. i have seen bands rehearse with pa's and monitors and i think thats overkill unless your on a really big sounstage in a real big room. i have seen bands do like we do and use a cabnet or 2 for the vocals only. i dont push my voice in rehersal unless its a new song. one thing you could try and i have done is have everyone wear headphones. pointing the instrument amps toward the drums has always worked best in rehersal for everyone. NOTICE > this reply was done b 4 my " i wasted a reply but is not above my last reply but below it and throws the entire sequence of my replys out of order !
Title: Re: Setting up a practice room
Post by: jeff harrell on February 09, 2011, 08:01:55 pm
 you made me spit-up my Diet Pepsi on my shirt!

 Hammer[/quote]
i asked a girl out one time and she did the same thing with her pepsi  Shocked  Shocked  Shocked
Title: Re: Setting up a practice room
Post by: jeff harrell on February 09, 2011, 08:10:37 pm
well i just waisted my main speaker of the house reply ^ ! i should have started reading all the other replys and i would have come to the one where the major A tone told ya'll to go UUMMMPHHHHHH yourselves. wow, i'm glad he is in someone elses band ! i have had the misfortune of auditioning major A notes like that ! i like the one sugestion > get a larger room ! i think his reply > we cant afford one means they aint got no day jobs and no gigs ! hay bubba can you spare a G string ! Shocked
Title: Re: Setting up a practice room
Post by: jeff harrell on February 09, 2011, 08:13:31 pm
jeff harrell wrote on Wed, 09 February 2011 17:10

well i just waisted my main speaker of the house reply ^ ! i should have started reading all the other replys and i would have come to the one where the major A tone told ya'll to go UUMMMPHHHHHH yourselves. wow, i'm glad he is in someone elses band ! i have had the misfortune of auditioning major A notes like that ! i like the one sugestion > get a larger room ! i think his reply > we cant afford one means they aint got no day jobs and no gigs ! hay bubba can you spare a G string ! Shocked

how come this reply is posted above my main reply that was posted b 4 this and throuws the whole thing out of order ?
Title: Re: Setting up a practice room
Post by: Dick Rees on February 09, 2011, 08:39:57 pm
jeff harrell wrote on Wed, 09 February 2011 19:13

jeff harrell wrote on Wed, 09 February 2011 17:10

well i just waisted my main speaker of the house reply ^ ! i should have started reading all the other replys and i would have come to the one where the major A tone told ya'll to go UUMMMPHHHHHH yourselves. wow, i'm glad he is in someone elses band ! i have had the misfortune of auditioning major A notes like that ! i like the one sugestion > get a larger room ! i think his reply > we cant afford one means they aint got no day jobs and no gigs ! hay bubba can you spare a G string ! Shocked

how come this reply is posted above my main reply that was posted b 4 this and throuws the whole thing out of order ?


Perhaps it's your arboreal outlook????
Title: Re: Setting up a practice room
Post by: jeff harrell on February 09, 2011, 08:45:22 pm
Dick Rees wrote on Wed, 09 February 2011 17:39

jeff harrell wrote on Wed, 09 February 2011 19:13

jeff harrell wrote on Wed, 09 February 2011 17:10

well i just waisted my main speaker of the house reply ^ ! i should have started reading all the other replys and i would have come to the one where the major A tone told ya'll to go UUMMMPHHHHHH yourselves. wow, i'm glad he is in someone elses band ! i have had the misfortune of auditioning major A notes like that ! i like the one sugestion > get a larger room ! i think his reply > we cant afford one means they aint got no day jobs and no gigs ! hay bubba can you spare a G string ! Shocked

how come this reply is posted above my main reply that was posted b 4 this and throuws the whole thing out of order ?


Perhaps it's your arboreal outlook????
< what !?? are you saying i resemble a "tree" ?!!
Title: Re: Setting up a practice room
Post by: Dave Scarlett on February 10, 2011, 05:08:27 pm
Perfect!
Title: Re: Setting up a practice room
Post by: jeff harrell on February 10, 2011, 06:23:51 pm
Dave Scarlett wrote on Thu, 10 February 2011 14:08

Perfect!

well thank ya , thank ya very much to whoever that "Perfect" is directed at ! or is it , directed "to" !