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Title: super bowl xlv
Post by: dustin Bradley on February 06, 2011, 08:33:39 pm
okay, i'll be first to post this...

wth is up with the broadcast sound?!  jeez, it sucked worse than anything i've ever worked with.  i'm sure it sounded good in the dome, but the truck engineer really f'ed that one up.
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Allen Alonzo (tazada) on February 06, 2011, 08:41:34 pm
I was wondering how long it would take for a comment to show up here:)
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: dustin Bradley on February 06, 2011, 08:43:13 pm
with broadcast sound that horrible, i'm surprised i was the first. Confused
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Mac Kerr on February 06, 2011, 08:49:18 pm
dustin Bradley wrote on Sun, 06 February 2011 20:33

okay, i'll be first to post this...

wth is up with the broadcast sound?!  jeez, it sucked worse than anything i've ever worked with.  i'm sure it sounded good in the dome, but the truck engineer really f'ed that one up.


Who cares how it sounded, it was an embarrassing show to begin with.

Mac
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Ivan Beaver on February 06, 2011, 08:52:28 pm
Mac Kerr wrote on Sun, 06 February 2011 20:49

dustin Bradley wrote on Sun, 06 February 2011 20:33

okay, i'll be first to post this...

wth is up with the broadcast sound?!  jeez, it sucked worse than anything i've ever worked with.  i'm sure it sounded good in the dome, but the truck engineer really f'ed that one up.


Who cares how it sounded, it was an embarrassing show to begin with.

Mac

I wonder what the rest of the world thinks of us after seeing that? Crying or Very Sad  Embarassed
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Scott Raymond on February 06, 2011, 09:06:09 pm
Ivan Beaver wrote on Sun, 06 February 2011 19:52

Mac Kerr wrote on Sun, 06 February 2011 20:49

dustin Bradley wrote on Sun, 06 February 2011 20:33

okay, i'll be first to post this...

wth is up with the broadcast sound?!  jeez, it sucked worse than anything i've ever worked with.  i'm sure it sounded good in the dome, but the truck engineer really f'ed that one up.


Who cares how it sounded, it was an embarrassing show to begin with.

Mac

I wonder what the rest of the world thinks of us after seeing that? Crying or Very Sad  Embarassed


I must of missed the show.  All I saw was some promo for a ridiculous Sci Fi Musical.  Twisted Evil
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Ken Freeman on February 06, 2011, 09:19:31 pm
Let the finger pointing begin!

To borrow my 15 years old's inspired words, "OMG dad, that sucked ass."

Ken
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Dennis Deem on February 06, 2011, 10:01:42 pm
Sad, very sad
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Jonathan 'JP' Peirce on February 06, 2011, 11:29:05 pm
GIGO
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Duane Massey on February 07, 2011, 12:05:49 am
Minor quibble, but did anyone else notice that 1/2 of the "V" in "Love" didn't light up? I had to pay attention to something to distract me from the other garbage...

I did think the illuminated suits in the mass dancer sections looked pretty cool, but what a lame show. Bring back the wardrobe malfunction, or the Rolling Geezers, or just about anything else.
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Charlie Zureki on February 07, 2011, 07:12:18 am
Duane Massey wrote on Sun, 06 February 2011 23:05



Bring back the wardrobe malfunction, or the Rolling Geezers, or just about anything else.


 Very Happy

  Oh... you may have another chance to see the "Rolling Geezers"... it appears they're booking for a new tour. I might even come out of retirement, Charlie Watts will be drumming on this tour. Smile

 Cheers,
 Hammer
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Ivan Beaver on February 07, 2011, 07:34:25 am
Duane Massey wrote on Mon, 07 February 2011 00:05

Minor quibble, but did anyone else notice that 1/2 of the "V" in "Love" didn't light up? I had to pay attention to something to distract me from the other garbage...

I did think the illuminated suits in the mass dancer sections looked pretty cool, but what a lame show. Bring back the wardrobe malfunction, or the Rolling Geezers, or just about anything else.

There was also a chunk of the L (down in the corner) that the lights were out also.
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Mark Walter on February 07, 2011, 08:27:54 am
A New Low! ! !
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Jim McKeveny on February 07, 2011, 09:01:17 am
It may have been the Super Bowl, but halftime was Super Blow!
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Robert "Void" Caprio on February 07, 2011, 09:12:36 am
I for one was glad I couldn't hear Fergie in the beginning. For that brief time I was able to imagine what vocals are supposed to sound like. Then an intern must have accidentally leaned on the mute button, effectively unmuting the lead vocal and awakening me from my blissful state.

Rolling Eyes
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Bennett Prescott on February 07, 2011, 10:32:31 am
Mark Walter wrote on Mon, 07 February 2011 08:27

A New Low! ! !

index.php/fa/34922/0/
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Tim McCulloch on February 07, 2011, 12:01:24 pm
Robert "Void" Caprio wrote on Mon, 07 February 2011 08:12

I for one was glad I couldn't hear Fergie in the beginning. For that brief time I was able to imagine what vocals are supposed to sound like. Then an intern must have accidentally leaned on the mute button, effectively unmuting the lead vocal and awakening me from my blissful state.

Rolling Eyes


I was waiting to see if she pissed herself on stage... That's the limit of entertainment I get from Fergie and BEP.
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Ricky Berlin on February 07, 2011, 12:24:56 pm
How about that abuse of auto-tune?  I really wish no one had ever thought of that.  God help me if I'm ever required to mix a show with it.  
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Geoff Doane on February 07, 2011, 12:40:42 pm
Ricky Berlin wrote on Mon, 07 February 2011 13:24

How about that abuse of auto-tune?  I really wish no one had ever thought of that.  God help me if I'm ever required to mix a show with it.  


Get over it.  Rolling Eyes  It's an artistic effect and it's now part of the performance, whether we like it or not.  I'm sure they said the same thing back in the '50s when tape echo (which almost certainly started as a mistake in the studio) came into common use.

GTD
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Charlie Zureki on February 07, 2011, 01:25:12 pm
Ricky Berlin wrote on Mon, 07 February 2011 11:24

How about that abuse of auto-tune?  I really wish no one had ever thought of that.  God help me if I'm ever required to mix a show with it.  


 Hello,

 There were no auto pitch correction systems used by the BEPs. If there were, will i. am and Fergie wouldn't have gone flat.

 Fergie was flat because her in-ears wasn't working properly....I'm guessing the same for will i. am.  


I hear he's a pretty good musician.

 Cheers,
 Hammer
Title: You want entertainment??!!!????
Post by: Dick Rees on February 07, 2011, 02:09:39 pm
Wanna really rock the house??????

Hire these.....

index.php/fa/34923/0/

Not the Who, but the What......
Title: Re: You want entertainment??!!!????
Post by: Tim McCulloch on February 07, 2011, 02:54:10 pm
Dick Rees wrote on Mon, 07 February 2011 13:09

Wanna really rock the house??????

Hire these.....

index.php/fa/34923/0/

Not the Who, but the What......


It will be more entertaining...
Title: Re: You want entertainment??!!!????
Post by: Dick Rees on February 07, 2011, 03:13:45 pm
Tim McCulloch wrote on Mon, 07 February 2011 13:54

Dick Rees wrote on Mon, 07 February 2011 13:09

Wanna really rock the house??????

Hire these.....

index.php/fa/34923/0/

Not the Who, but the What......


It will be more entertaining...


And that, ladies and germs, is what it's all about....
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Jared Bartimus on February 07, 2011, 04:20:08 pm
Charlie Zureki wrote on Mon, 07 February 2011 12:25

Ricky Berlin wrote on Mon, 07 February 2011 11:24

How about that abuse of auto-tune?  I really wish no one had ever thought of that.  God help me if I'm ever required to mix a show with it.  


 Hello,

 There were no auto pitch correction systems used by the BEPs. If there were, will i. am and Fergie wouldn't have gone flat.

 Fergie was flat because her in-ears wasn't working properly....I'm guessing the same for will i. am.  


I hear he's a pretty good musician.

 Cheers,
 Hammer


I believe he was talking about the use of autotune for artistic purposes and not pitch correction.
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Robert "Void" Caprio on February 07, 2011, 04:48:34 pm
There was definitely some kind of pitch effect being used and it certainly sounded like auto-tune to me. But Hammer's right, it seemed as if it was only used in certain places more as an obvious effect and not as a subtle correction.
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Ricky Berlin on February 07, 2011, 04:51:55 pm
I was referring to auto-tune used as an effect, but I don't see how you would know if it was also used to correct pitch since you're only hearing the broadcast and not the original source.  The only times I noted performers were truly off-pitch was during the sections where auto-tune was not present.
Title: Re: You want entertainment??!!!????
Post by: Lee Brenkman on February 07, 2011, 07:15:13 pm
Tim McCulloch wrote on Mon, 07 February 2011 11:54

Dick Rees wrote on Mon, 07 February 2011 13:09

Wanna really rock the house??????

Hire these.....

Not the Who, but the What......


It will be more entertaining...


You guys are thinking WAY too mainstream.  May I suggest...


index.php/fa/34924/0/

This is just what the Indianapolis Super Bowl halftime show needs  Twisted Evil
Title: Re: You want entertainment??!!!????
Post by: Dick Rees on February 07, 2011, 07:47:33 pm
Lee Brenkman wrote on Mon, 07 February 2011 18:15

Tim McCulloch wrote on Mon, 07 February 2011 11:54

Dick Rees wrote on Mon, 07 February 2011 13:09

Wanna really rock the house??????

Hire these.....

Not the Who, but the What......


It will be more entertaining...


You guys are thinking WAY too mainstream.  May I suggest...


index.php/fa/34924/0/

This is just what the Indianapolis Super Bowl halftime show needs  Twisted Evil


No doubt starring Yuan Hung Lo.
Gives new meaning to the old ad slogan, "The San Francisco Treat".
Title: Re: You want entertainment??!!!????
Post by: Charlie Zureki on February 08, 2011, 10:02:43 am
Dick Rees wrote on Mon, 07 February 2011 18:47

Lee Brenkman wrote on Mon, 07 February 2011 18:15

Tim McCulloch wrote on Mon, 07 February 2011 11:54

Dick Rees wrote on Mon, 07 February 2011 13:09

Wanna really rock the house??????

Hire these.....

Not the Who, but the What......


It will be more entertaining...


You guys are thinking WAY too mainstream.  May I suggest...


index.php/fa/34924/0/

This is just what the Indianapolis Super Bowl halftime show needs  Twisted Evil


No doubt starring Yuan Hung Lo.
Gives new meaning to the old ad slogan, "The San Francisco Treat".



  Hello,
 I'm guessing that this Musical appeals to those that love seamen?...I see some guys in the poster wearing naval costumes.  Shocked

 Hammer
 
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Riley Casey on February 08, 2011, 01:37:42 pm
Well the Brits at least wonder why our football players need body armor and their's don't.   Laughing  Laughing  Twisted Evil


Ivan Beaver wrote on Sun, 06 February 2011 20:52



I wonder what the rest of the world thinks of us after seeing that? Crying or Very Sad  Embarassed

Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Mike_Monte on February 08, 2011, 11:06:49 pm
My wife, kids, & I are watching the halftime show...and my wife turns to me and says: "you can mix better than that.....".....(and I'm a small time sound provider).

To my (many beers into the evening) ears the gal sounded ok....."but" the dude in the "space suit" (not the lead guy) should have been there for "decoration only"....

The visual was interesting with the "electric cast"...but in the end, I thought that it was boring....

I mentioned out loud to my wife that there hasn't been much of a show since the "wardrobe malfunction"...a few years ago...

My 12 year old daughter asked us what happened back then...  I looked at my wife: "the ball's in your court...."

Mike exits the living room for yet another "libation"..

Mike M
Title: Re: You want entertainment??!!!????
Post by: Lee Brenkman on February 09, 2011, 04:43:19 pm
Charlie Zureki wrote on Tue, 08 February 2011 07:02

Dick Rees wrote on Mon, 07 February 2011 18:47




No doubt starring Yuan Hung Lo.
Gives new meaning to the old ad slogan, "The San Francisco Treat".



  Hello,
 I'm guessing that this Musical appeals to those that love seamen?...I see some guys in the poster wearing naval costumes.  Shocked

 Hammer
 


The show actually seems to appeal to a young, hip audience of all orientations.
The same people who find "Avenue Q" funny or go to see Gogol Bordello.

It's the revival of a show I did the sound for back in 1971. The original Cockettes make the current cast look almost tame by comparison.

One of them, Sylvester, went on to a successful career as a disco diva.

http://www.noehill.com/cockettes/pearls.asp

The sound company I worked for at the time was contacted to see if we could improve the sound over the two Shure Vocal Master columns the theater was providing.

The only catch was that the theater showed Chinese movies every day from noon until somewhere between 11 PM and Midnight.   We had to load in at 8 AM, sound check and rehearse until 11:30 AM, strike the stage and return at 11 PM to re set and do the show.

BTW the cast were NOT exactly "at their best" at 10 AM on a Saturday morning.
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Nathan DePaulo on February 10, 2011, 01:44:52 pm
I was out having dinner at the time (not a football fan, obviously) and the halftime show was on the TV behind the bar of the restaurant... on mute.  Which is totally the way to watch that show. It's actually kinda impressive if you can't hear them... light up suits, Usher coming from the sky, jumping over wil.i.am... then something like 1600 back up dancers from end-zone to end-zone.

So after seeing this thread I googled the thing and listened to it... Oh my God... someone DID let the beat drop.
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Joseph White on February 13, 2011, 02:58:39 am
One would think that the most watched concert of all time would have had a decent broadcast engineer. It was clear that the in-ears weren't working right either, but I'm sure that was a separate engineer with a different problem.

The broadcast mix sounded like no one was even sitting at the console. The entire mix consisted of a track, a couple wireless mics and extensive crowd mics, and yet it seemed no one bothered to balance them. At first I thought there was an awful mix engineer, but now I think it must have been a production problem, like there wasn't a proper mix engineer even assigned to it. I could train a teenager in a half hour to make it sound better than that.

Hopefully something big broke and so did its backup and what we heard was mixed solely from the GUI of a DSP or something. Catastrophic equipment failure would be better than there being a highly paid engineer responsible for it. It was an embarrassment to our industry.

I'd love to hear an inside scoop if anyone has one.
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Charlie Zureki on February 13, 2011, 08:07:54 am
Joseph White wrote on Sun, 13 February 2011 01:58



I'd love to hear an inside scoop if anyone has one.


  Hello,

 All of the Technicians that work on high profile projects like the Super Bowl, have years of experience. Through those years, they have, time after time, demonstrated their professional abilities.  

 An additional part of being considered a true "professional" is knowing when to keep their opinions to themselves, and, to not publicly speak of the faults of coworkers.  

 I doubt that anyone privy to any inside information will post "an inside scoop", will air any dirty laundry, point any fingers, or make any excuses in regards to the Halftime Event.

  Hammer
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Tim McCulloch on February 13, 2011, 02:56:07 pm
Charlie Zureki wrote on Sun, 13 February 2011 07:07

Joseph White wrote on Sun, 13 February 2011 01:58



I'd love to hear an inside scoop if anyone has one.


  Hello,

 All of the Technicians that work on high profile projects like the Super Bowl, have years of experience. Through those years, they have, time after time, demonstrated their professional abilities.  

 An additional part of being considered a true "professional" is knowing when to keep their opinions to themselves, and, to not publicly speak of the faults of coworkers.  

 I doubt that anyone privy to any inside information will post "an inside scoop", will air any dirty laundry, point any fingers, or make any excuses in regards to the Halftime Event.

  Hammer


That's pretty much it.  Chances are if one person was responsible for that fuck up, he'll be a cameraman's cable page next year...  demoted to assistant Vidiot.
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Scott Helmke (Scodiddly) on February 14, 2011, 08:47:29 am
I reviewed it last night on YouTube.... ouch.

Let's see, errors listed so far:
1) Microphone unmuted late
2) Part of stage not lighting up
3) Bad performances blamed on malfunctioning IEM systems

To which I'd add that maybe all of the BEP's costumes were supposed to light up, but only 2 of the 4 actually did.

Trainwreck.  Fiasco.
Title: Re: super bowl xlv
Post by: Joseph White on February 24, 2011, 01:36:15 am
Charlie Zureki wrote on Sun, 13 February 2011 13:07

Joseph White wrote on Sun, 13 February 2011 01:58



I'd love to hear an inside scoop if anyone has one.


  Hello,

 All of the Technicians that work on high profile projects like the Super Bowl, have years of experience. Through those years, they have, time after time, demonstrated their professional abilities.  

 An additional part of being considered a true "professional" is knowing when to keep their opinions to themselves, and, to not publicly speak of the faults of coworkers.  

 I doubt that anyone privy to any inside information will post "an inside scoop", will air any dirty laundry, point any fingers, or make any excuses in regards to the Halftime Event.

  Hammer


You are right Hammer, I stand corrected. I do sincerely hope that what we heard was not the fault of an accomplished professional in a healthy environment. I don't wish for the defamation of any engineer.

I am curious how something like this happens in a group of high caliber professionals. There was obviously an intense level of complexity in that show. You are right though that professionalism and curiosity do not often fit together, and certainly not in this case.