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Title: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on March 06, 2007, 04:18:13 pm
So Tom and I did a "smaller" gig yesterday. I didnt have the van, so Tom brought his truck down to help me out. I only was going to bring 2 subs and do Yamaha's on sticks to save space. But, going  from filling a van to his smaller truck was a challenge. We were kind of puzzled about how everything was going to fit at first. But after some measuring, well, just look:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e194/HarfordSound/Gig1.jpg

Yes, it fit....

...Well, almost:  Very Happy

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e194/HarfordSound/Gig2.jpg
Taking mobile mixing to a new extreme as well

Got everything in the back except the board.
So, I rode with it on my lap for 40min out to the gig.
Good thing we didnt need any processing racks or a big board.  Laughing

But, once show time rolled around, it was quite packed:  Rolling Eyes

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e194/HarfordSound/gig4.jpg

We rocked a crowd of 35 people all night.

Take about an unorganized event. No one knew what was going on when. There were 2 dance groups, 3 bands and a fashion show that never took place. All in all, it was a pretty boring night. At least it paid well and we were home by 9:30.


Oh, and how about a board shot:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e194/HarfordSound/gig3.jpg



Evan
Title: Re: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Noah Waldron on March 06, 2007, 04:51:25 pm
That's what the back of my Astro Van looked like when I went on tour with my group.
4 guys, and a small system like that, w/ amps and drums!!! Good Times.
Title: Re: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Eric Snodgrass on March 06, 2007, 05:10:02 pm
I've seen 54' trailer packs that looked just like the Dodge pack you have pictured.  Not good times.
Title: Re: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Iain_Macdonald on March 06, 2007, 05:30:16 pm
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I also like to measure the noise spectrum from the desk vents  Very Happy

Only joking!!!

Iain.
Title: Re: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Rob Ottaviano on March 06, 2007, 06:01:34 pm
That looks like the Chicago pack I did the other night Laughing
Title: Re: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Michael Storey on March 06, 2007, 06:41:06 pm
So how friendly are your neighbors? That little Harley 5x8 across the street should have done the trick  Smile

Gonna rack up that 01v96? I'm getting ready to get this guy...

http://www.odysseygear.com/display.php?sku=frgs1316wdlx



Title: Re: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Jake Scudder on March 06, 2007, 09:00:12 pm
Eric Snodgrass wrote on Tue, 06 March 2007 15:10

I've seen 54' trailer packs that looked just like the Dodge pack you have pictured.  Not good times.


Yes, and the worst part is the dull reminder that hangs in the back of your mind all day.  You know it has to go back in and you know there is no good pack map to work from.
Title: Re: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Phil LaDue on March 06, 2007, 09:04:26 pm
Jake Scudder wrote on Tue, 06 March 2007 21:00

Eric Snodgrass wrote on Tue, 06 March 2007 15:10

I've seen 54' trailer packs that looked just like the Dodge pack you have pictured.  Not good times.


Yes, and the worst part is the dull reminder that hangs in the back of your mind all day.  You know it has to go back in and you know there is no good pack map to work from.


That's what camera phones are for.
Title: Re: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Jake Scudder on March 06, 2007, 11:15:18 pm
Phil LaDue wrote on Tue, 06 March 2007 19:04

Jake Scudder wrote on Tue, 06 March 2007 21:00

Eric Snodgrass wrote on Tue, 06 March 2007 15:10

I've seen 54' trailer packs that looked just like the Dodge pack you have pictured.  Not good times.


Yes, and the worst part is the dull reminder that hangs in the back of your mind all day.  You know it has to go back in and you know there is no good pack map to work from.


That's what camera phones are for.


Maybe.  Although I've been on calls where brandishing a cell phone equates to a quick trip out the door.
Title: Re: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Scott Waldy on March 07, 2007, 02:45:37 am
Evan, sitting next to your new toy is a small box under your SPL meter.  It has what appears to be 6 or 7 mic inputs going into it.  What is it? Embarassed
Title: Re: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Tom Manchester on March 07, 2007, 09:16:22 am
Scott Waldy wrote on Wed, 07 March 2007 02:45

Evan, sitting next to your new toy is a small box under your SPL meter.  It has what appears to be 6 or 7 mic inputs going into it.  What is it? Embarassed


Behringer ADA8000 mic preamp / A/D converter. Allows for more mic inputs via the ADAT input on the board.
Title: Re: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Ken Dowell on March 07, 2007, 09:32:18 am
Tom Manchester wrote on Wed, 07 March 2007 09:16



Behringer ADA8000 mic preamp / A/D converter. Allows for more mic inputs via the ADAT input on the board.


Evan, Behringer stuff?!?

j/k man!
Glad you like the new setup. I almost went the digital route but "chickened out" at the last moment! I love my new GL2400 though.
Title: Re: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Brian Houchin on March 07, 2007, 10:07:30 am
Evan,

If you decide to put your board and preamp into a little rack, let me know.  I've got an extra set of rack rails for that board you can have.
Title: Re: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Danny Mullins on March 07, 2007, 11:55:06 am
How are you liking the ADA8000? I ve been shopping around and am looking at a Presonus Digimax for $600 at the moment. I know the Behringer is way cheaper but I wonder if there is enough quality to be worth the extra money for the Presonus.
Title: Re: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Eric Wong! on March 07, 2007, 12:05:06 pm
Good lord, put that new mixer into a case!   Shocked
Title: Re: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Phil LaDue on March 07, 2007, 12:06:39 pm
Jake Scudder wrote on Tue, 06 March 2007 23:15

Phil LaDue wrote on Tue, 06 March 2007 19:04

Jake Scudder wrote on Tue, 06 March 2007 21:00

Eric Snodgrass wrote on Tue, 06 March 2007 15:10

I've seen 54' trailer packs that looked just like the Dodge pack you have pictured.  Not good times.


Yes, and the worst part is the dull reminder that hangs in the back of your mind all day.  You know it has to go back in and you know there is no good pack map to work from.


That's what camera phones are for.


Maybe.  Although I've been on calls where brandishing a cell phone equates to a quick trip out the door.


If all else fails get out the legal pad and draw a diagram, or tape numbered pieces of paper to things as they come off the truck.
Title: Re: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on March 07, 2007, 12:53:10 pm
Danny Mullins wrote on Wed, 07 March 2007 11:55

How are you liking the ADA8000? I ve been shopping around and am looking at a Presonus Digimax for $600 at the moment. I know the Behringer is way cheaper but I wonder if there is enough quality to be worth the extra money for the Presonus.


Sounds just fine to me. I use it on drum duty currently and have no complaints. I didnt feel like spending $600+ on a preamp, and I read enough good about the B-ringer unit to give it a shot. As long as it doesnt break, Im happy.


Eric Wong! wrote on Wed, 07 March 2007 12:05

Good lord, put that new mixer into a case!   Shocked


Im working on getting a case currently. As well as a 4 space rack for the preamps and whatever else.



Evan

Title: Re: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Scott Waldy on March 07, 2007, 01:02:41 pm
Quote:

Quote:

Evan, sitting next to your new toy is a small box under your SPL meter. It has what appears to be 6 or 7 mic inputs going into it. What is it?


Behringer ADA8000 mic preamp / A/D converter. Allows for more mic inputs via the ADAT input on the board.


Can you link 2 of them somehow?  Effectively raising the 01v96's xlr inputs to 28?

Evan, my apology for the hijacking.

Edit: Apology
Title: Re: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on March 07, 2007, 01:04:29 pm
Scott Waldy wrote on Wed, 07 March 2007 13:02

Quote:

Quote:

Evan, sitting next to your new toy is a small box under your SPL meter. It has what appears to be 6 or 7 mic inputs going into it. What is it?
Behringer ADA8000 mic preamp / A/D converter. Allows for more mic inputs via the ADAT input on the board.


Can you link 2 of them somehow?  Effectively raising the 01v96's xlr inputs to 28?

Evan, my apology for the hijacking.

Edit: Apology



Yup!
You just daisy chain the 2 ADA8000's together and that gives you 28  channels.



Evan
Title: Re: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Mac Kerr on March 07, 2007, 01:08:55 pm
Evan Kirkendall wrote on Wed, 07 March 2007 13:04

You just daisy chain the 2 ADA8000's together and that gives you 28  channels.
Huh? AFAIK you cannot "daisy chain" the ADA8000s together. You need a set of ADAT ins and outs on the console for each ADA8000. You can use the built in ADAT interface for one, but you need to install an MY card to accommodate the second. Each ADAT interface can handle only 8 channels.

Mac
Title: Re: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Ryan Lantzy on March 07, 2007, 01:21:48 pm
Evan Kirkendall wrote on Wed, 07 March 2007 12:53


Sounds just fine to me. I use it on drum duty currently and have no complaints. I didnt feel like spending $600+ on a preamp, and I read enough good about the B-ringer unit to give it a shot. As long as it doesnt break, Im happy.


Evan,

Since your no Behringer rule has changed, at least have the common courtesy to spell out their name since you are using one of their products.

Hopefully you learn that a man is not defined by the names on the tools he uses, but how he uses the tools.
Title: Re: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Scott Waldy on March 07, 2007, 01:26:22 pm
... and you just parallel them both into the board or do you series them one into the other then into the board?  Does the board recognize them and ask you where you want to put them?

Sorry for all of the questions.  Embarassed

I just may want one of these little things.
Title: Re: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Ryan Lantzy on March 07, 2007, 01:29:37 pm
Scott Waldy wrote on Wed, 07 March 2007 13:26

... and you just parallel them both into the board or do you series them one into the other then into the board?  Does the board recognize them and ask you where you want to put them?

Sorry for all of the questions.  Embarassed

I just may want one of these little things.


Scott,

Forget what Evan said.  He's wrong.  You can't daisy chain the units.

Well, you could, but doing this would just send the 8 inputs of the first ADA8000 to the 8 outputs of the next ADA8000.  Pretty useless.

Each bank of 8 external preamps requires 1 dedicated ADAT lightpipe connection (in and out).
Title: Re: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on March 07, 2007, 01:33:10 pm
Scott Waldy wrote on Wed, 07 March 2007 13:26

... and you just parallel them both into the board or do you series them one into the other then into the board?  Does the board recognize them and ask you where you want to put them?

Sorry for all of the questions.  Embarassed

I just may want one of these little things.



Mac's right. I was having a brain fart. You can use the built in ADAT for the first 8 channels, but then you need a card if you wish to do anymore then 8.


Evan
Title: Re: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Eric Snodgrass on March 07, 2007, 01:37:34 pm
Rob Ottaviano wrote on Tue, 06 March 2007 15:01

That looks like the Chicago pack I did the other night Laughing
Yes, that is the truth.  I did a date on that tour last spring.  Even with a good pack scheme the truck ended up looking like that.  
Title: Re: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Scott Waldy on March 07, 2007, 01:57:12 pm
One last question...  Laughing

So, I would have to buy a "MY16-mLAN" card.  This would allow me to plug in 2 of the ADA8000 type units thus giving me a total of 32 XLR inputs and 16+ the onboard outputs?

Does this thing have enough processing power for all of the features it boasts in use on every channel (provided you actually used it on every channel)?

Thanks, you've been a great help and very patient with my many questions.  Not to mention I hijacked your thread.

Sorry 'bout that, Evan.

P.S. No matter what I do I always wind up with a truck pack like that.  All organized in the beginning, but as you run outta space, the other stuff thats gotta go gets placed in on top and shoehorned in to the small spaces left over.
Title: Re: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Jake Scudder on March 07, 2007, 02:20:26 pm
Scott Waldy wrote on Wed, 07 March 2007 11:57

One last question...  Laughing

So, I would have to buy a "MY16-mLAN" card.  This would allow me to plug in 2 of the ADA8000 type units thus giving me a total of 32 XLR inputs and 16+ the onboard outputs?

Does this thing have enough processing power for all of the features it boasts in use on every channel (provided you actually used it on every channel)?

Thanks, you've been a great help and very patient with my many questions.  Not to mention I hijacked your thread.

Sorry 'bout that, Evan.

P.S. No matter what I do I always wind up with a truck pack like that.  All organized in the beginning, but as you run outta space, the other stuff thats gotta go gets placed in on top and shoehorned in to the small spaces left over.


You would want the MY16-AT, I believe, for 16 channel I/O with ADAT protocol, not mLAN.  


Title: Re: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Tony "T" Tissot on March 07, 2007, 07:42:10 pm
Ken Dowell wrote on Wed, 07 March 2007 06:32

I almost went the digital route but "chickened out" at the last moment! I love my new GL2400 though.



That's not chickening out - that's going the "manly" route.  Laughing  
- I refuse to buy a digital board for live until I can get a digital snake that is appropriately priced, "integrated" and remotely controllable.

It won't be too long. I can get 2 of the 3 now. I may live to see it happen.
Title: Re: Taking the truck pack to a new extreme
Post by: Rick Byers on March 08, 2007, 11:00:35 am
Jake Scudder wrote on Wed, 07 March 2007 19:20

Scott Waldy wrote on Wed, 07 March 2007 11:57

One last question...  Laughing

So, I would have to buy a "MY16-mLAN" card.  This would allow me to plug in 2 of the ADA8000 type units thus giving me a total of 32 XLR inputs and 16+ the onboard outputs?

Does this thing have enough processing power for all of the features it boasts in use on every channel (provided you actually used it on every channel)?

Thanks, you've been a great help and very patient with my many questions.  Not to mention I hijacked your thread.

Sorry 'bout that, Evan.

P.S. No matter what I do I always wind up with a truck pack like that.  All organized in the beginning, but as you run outta space, the other stuff thats gotta go gets placed in on top and shoehorned in to the small spaces left over.


You would want the MY16-AT, I believe, for 16 channel I/O with ADAT protocol, not mLAN.  





I haven't run 2 ADA8000, but I have the MY16-AT card, 1 ADA800 (8inputs), 1 Alesis DEQ830(8 I/O) (finally found one in the UK), and also I use the remaining 2 lots of 8 channel output to feed the inputs of my Fostex D160, if I'm recording the gig.

And the Yammie hasn't run out of steam yet!!

Like Even the ADA8000 does the drums (rack toms mainly for me) and my talk back mic, all on the 2nd layer, top layer for money channels, and anything I need to get at quickly.