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Title: Gadd Aja tom sounds
Post by: andrew gissing on June 15, 2006, 02:45:02 am
This probably should be over in the recording area.. but I don't hang out there and well... thought i'd try here.

I've just discovered Aja (1977...) and i'm really impressed with the tom sounds. Especially around 2:25 where there is a solo.

Can anyone point to information on how this was done - toms, skins, tuning, micing and all that ? I've tried a few combinations in google.


Andrew
Title: Re: Gadd Aja tom sounds
Post by: Tom Reid on June 15, 2006, 07:32:25 am
Steve Gadd.

Check out Simon and Garfunkel Live in Central Park.
He tears it up on a few tunes
Title: Re: Gadd Aja tom sounds
Post by: Scott Helmke (Scodiddly) on June 15, 2006, 09:09:37 am
Dunno about mic techniques, but it's almost certainly a Yamaha kit.  The toms are tuned surprisingly low for their size.
Title: Re: Gadd Aja tom sounds
Post by: Doug Fowler on June 15, 2006, 10:24:55 am
Apparently one of the tricks is to lay out a huge line of coke on the floor tom before recording a take.

I don't know for sure, though, because I wasn't there at the time :-)
Title: Re: Gadd Aja tom sounds
Post by: Andy Peters on June 15, 2006, 01:50:32 pm
andrew gissing wrote on Wed, 14 June 2006 23:45

This probably should be over in the recording area.. but I don't hang out there and well... thought i'd try here.

I've just discovered Aja (1977...) and i'm really impressed with the tom sounds. Especially around 2:25 where there is a solo.

Can anyone point to information on how this was done - toms, skins, tuning, micing and all that ? I've tried a few combinations in google.


Google for "Wendell Jr Drum Replacement."

And Fowler's probably right about the line of coke, tho' I thought the problem was a Horse of a different color, if you catch my drift.

-a
Title: Re: Gadd Aja tom sounds
Post by: andrew gissing on June 15, 2006, 08:59:31 pm
Thanks for the info.

I'm not looking to reproduce the sounds just wondering how they were obtained. I was thinking they were tuned very loose - I think Scott's on the money by being tuned low for their size.

Andrew
Title: Re: Gadd Aja tom sounds
Post by: Dave Barnett on June 15, 2006, 09:04:19 pm
Try laying a towel over the head of each tom.  That oughtta get it just about dead enough to match Gadd's tone.
Title: Re: Gadd Aja tom sounds
Post by: Scott Helmke (Scodiddly) on June 16, 2006, 08:43:50 am
Interesting... a Google for "Wendel Jr drum replacement" (only one L in Wendel) turns out a PDF of the manual for Wendel Jr.  

Quote:


WENDEL's first performance was on the STEELY DAN "GAUCHO" album.



Which of course means that it wasn't used on Aja.

I once worked with a drummer who was a big Gadd fan - he had the same Yamaha "recording custom" drumkit, and the toms were tuned to give that same sound from Aja.  It is kind of a dead tone, since the lower pitch doesn't ring very long.  More of a pronounced pitch bend, too.
Title: Re: Gadd Aja tom sounds
Post by: Andy Peters on June 16, 2006, 11:44:31 am
Scott Helmke (Scodiddly) wrote on Fri, 16 June 2006 05:43

Interesting... a Google for "Wendel Jr drum replacement" (only one L in Wendel) turns out a PDF of the manual for Wendel Jr.  

Quote:


WENDEL's first performance was on the STEELY DAN "GAUCHO" album.



Which of course means that it wasn't used on Aja.


Ah, OK, thanks for the clarification.  

I prefer Pretzel Logic and Katy Lied, anyways.  You know, before they Sold Out.

-a
Title: B/U vox by Michael McDonald
Post by: Michael 'Bink' Knowles on June 16, 2006, 12:54:57 pm
Quote:

...I prefer Pretzel Logic and Katy Lied, anyways.  You know, before they Sold Out.

-a



Katy Lied is one of the 33.333s I replaced with a store-bought CD due to being so damned worn. The backup vox show Michael McDonald at his best, in my opinion, or perhaps in the same league as his backup vox work with the Doobies. Never could stand the guy singing lead, but 5 Grammys tell me I'm in the minority. He's touring this July and August with Steely Dan... probably won't sing "Ya Mo Be There."  Shocked

-Bink
Title: Re: B/U vox by Michael McDonald
Post by: Tim Padrick on June 18, 2006, 04:20:19 am
Michael 'Bink' Knowles wrote on Fri, 16 June 2006 11:54

Katy Lied is one of the 33.333s I replaced with a store-bought CD due to being so damned worn.
-Bink


If it wore out, you needed a better record player Smile  I've played the  beginning of an LP hundreds of times at a trade show with no damage.
Title: Re: B/U vox by Michael McDonald
Post by: Michael 'Bink' Knowles on June 18, 2006, 12:23:43 pm
Tim Padrick wrote on Sun, 18 June 2006 01:20

Michael 'Bink' Knowles wrote on Fri, 16 June 2006 11:54

Katy Lied is one of the 33.333s I replaced with a store-bought CD due to being so damned worn.
-Bink


If it wore out, you needed a better record player Smile  I've played the  beginning of an LP hundreds of times at a trade show with no damage.




I bought it used; the wear was there at my first listen just the same as the last listen.   Razz

-Bink