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Title: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Leo Rowe on November 30, 2005, 06:36:20 pm
I would like to say hello to everyone and thanks for having me on the site. I noticed that a few people had questions about The Carvin TRX series. I would like to say that having 8 of the 153s', i have no complaints whatsoever. The lows are tight and punchy, mids are clear, and the highs are precise to say the least. Once the Box is powered right you should have no problems. I know many people are skeptical to using a brand such as Carvin because thay are not as big a company as the other names such as JBL or EAW, but i have to say that they provide awesome customer service, and stand buy the product 100%. If you are looking for something a little more beefier or more on the high end large venue type of gear then check out there other stuff at TCSAUDIO.com. Trust me, YOU WILL NOT BE DISSAPPOINTED. For the price ($599) you will not get an acoustically better (B and C drivers and eminence speakers used throughout), extremely well built box (13 ply baltic birch)for the money.index.php/fa/3317/0/
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Tom Manchester on November 30, 2005, 07:44:41 pm
Hi,
First off. be sure to change your nickname from soundwboy to your first and last name, now that that's out of the way...

I'd like to hear more info about your work with these boxes. I was looking into them some time ago but I guess I sort of forgot about them. Can you give us more info about the gig you used them at (audience size, music type, etc.). Are there any other boxes you have worked with you can compare these to?
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on November 30, 2005, 07:51:29 pm
I hate you.  Very Happy


Just when I thought I was over those boxes you bring up a good review of them...

Hm.. Now its down to TRX vs. QW.

Like Tom said:
1. What style music?
2. How big of crowd?
3. Anything else?

Evan
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Christopher Myers on November 30, 2005, 08:04:12 pm
I too seriously considered getting some of these a while ago, but something struck me as this being one of those 'too good to be true' products.  It's a shame there aren't more of these out there where we could get some good test results and such.  
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Leo Rowe on November 30, 2005, 08:05:21 pm
I use these boxes for 500 - 1500 people triamped most times. Most times in events of about 800- 1500 people I will hang the boxes off of a genie lift four on each side supplemented by 2 Eaw sb850s or 1000s perside. For smaller shows i do 2 a side and they perform well enough. I do all types of music but I mainly do heavy reggae music and progressive or contemporary gospel music.

The way i run them Tri-amp goes as follows....

Subs- Macrotech 5002
Lows- Macrotech 3602----15 inch 600 watt
Mids- Macrotech 2402----8 inch  200 watt on a radial phase plug
Highs- Macrotech 1202---- 1 inch on a 60 x 40

SErious system....Comparable to JBL SRX series if not better. I havent used the EAW 650 series but according to specs they might be able to run with them. I thought they would of opted to use B and C woofers instead of the eminence but the eminence are tight and defined. The B and C driver in the horn is a great addition too. You have choice of NL8 for triamp mode or NL4 for biamp or full range.

any more questions write back....  index.php/fa/3321/0/
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Leo Rowe on November 30, 2005, 08:15:37 pm
In my secondindex.php/fa/3322/0/ reply i laid out some of the specs. The only problem i had with the box or with the comp is that they dont set out any processor settings (as i use a behringer DCX and ocassionally BSS stuff on this system) So therefore its up to u and how u want to set the processor settings depending on your music and your taste. its really a plug and play box if u want it to be but if your triamping u got to play around with your settings and delays in your processor. I dont know y they havent done any tunings for it yet cause hey have tunings for there TCS lines.
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on November 30, 2005, 08:53:50 pm
Ive always liked Carvin boxes.

The price is right...



Ill have to think about this one..


Evan
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Leo Rowe on November 30, 2005, 09:04:25 pm
Most definetly....even call up the carvin guys they are real helpful with everything and if your on a bugdet they even have good amps for u to choose from that are incredibly reliable and good. Trust me i think Carvin is the best kept secret in the buisness.

Anymore ?'s feel free to ask. Just make sure u have good power going to them even though the box has a good X-over in it.
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on November 30, 2005, 09:13:41 pm
Well, Ive got enough power to triamp them...

Horns: QSC series 1 model 1200 brigded. 100w
Mids:QSC RMX850 bridged 200w
Lows: RMX1450 bridged 700w
Subs: RMX2450 (Yorkville LS608)

That seems like a good setup.

Ill have to think about this and talk to Tom.


Evan
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Leo Rowe on November 30, 2005, 09:33:50 pm
Dependin on how much boxes you are running....that amplifier setup looks like its way on the low side of the power curve for those boxes.....

Lets say u have a 4 box stereo setup; and we'll use the QSC RMX series for the amplifier units...

TRX-153 comprimises of:

LOW-600 watts at 8 ohms
Mids-200 watts at 16 ohms
High- 80 watts 16 ohms

The proper amplifiers goes as follows:
LOWS- QSC RMX2450 ran in stereo, giving 750 watts into 4 ohms each channel which is still underpowering; so what i would do is run two RMX 1450s in brige mono which then give 1400 watts into 4 ohms which gives me 200 watts of extra headroom to play with. The speakers are still rated up to 1200 watts a peice so your barely scratching the surface.
MIDS- QSC RMX 1450 ran in stereo 8 ohms each channel.
HIGHS- QSC RMX 850 ran in stereo 8 ohms each channel.

I used RMX based on what i though u might want to use, which was also based on your list. You can better power these boxes with Carvin amps which are rated for them or more powerful amps such as the ones i use (macrotechs)or QSC PLX series.

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Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on November 30, 2005, 09:44:48 pm
Ive already got the RMX's. Thats why I did it that way.

Im gonna be running a mono setup. 2 boxes on my amps, 2 boxes on Tom's amps.

So the setup I had basically gives the same power you said, only I run the amps bridged instead of stereo.

Like I said before(each amp will drive 2 speakers):
Lows: RMX1450 Bridged @ 4ohms: 1400w, 700w per speaker
Mids: RMX850 bridged @8ohms: 600w, 300w per speaker
Highs: Model 1200 bridged @ 8ohms: 200w, 100w per speaker.


Seems like plenty of power to me.


Evan
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Tom Manchester on November 30, 2005, 09:57:22 pm
leo, you said NL4 for bi-amping in one of your previous threads...I didn't think you could Biamp these boxes. can you?
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Leo Rowe on November 30, 2005, 10:21:13 pm
oh ok...didnt understand first time. Thats cool
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Bennett Prescott on November 30, 2005, 10:22:56 pm
Evan Kirkendall wrote on Wed, 30 November 2005 19:51

Hm.. Now its down to TRX vs. QW.

Hmm... Carvin vs. Peavey... Round one... FIGHT! <ding ding>
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Leo Rowe on November 30, 2005, 10:23:48 pm
yes u can by amp these boxes via NL4 at the back or switch to triamp mode which is NL8. Full range through NL4 on +1-1index.php/fa/3324/0/
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Leo Rowe on November 30, 2005, 10:25:44 pm
i'm sorry Peavey makes good stuff but..in this case carvin is the better manufacturer. And all other aspects of sound including guitar and keyboard stuff....but thats just my personal opinion...Smile
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Leo Rowe on November 30, 2005, 10:39:58 pm
even though this has nothing to do with the thread i must comment u on your website...very professional.
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Tom Manchester on November 30, 2005, 10:43:38 pm
Leo, do you use these for full bands or music playback or singers with backing music. What other boxes do you have experience with, or what did you buy the carvin's to replace?
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Leo Rowe on November 30, 2005, 11:38:09 pm
I use these speakers to do live bands mostly and whenever djs come around and need a system. The TRX-153 is mainly used as sidefills and FOH duties. Whenever there on Sidefill or drum fill duties the main system that i use is my own full KF-850 System and  suplemented by a combination of SB-1000s or SB-850s'. Other systems include rented V-dosc and/or Ev XLC.

I never really bought them to replace anything...just to cover my smaller to medium shows. I have had previously worked with jbl srx systems and the older mr series and i can tell u that the carvin system is a better system, for the price, features, and quality. If you need something heavier than the trx, check the TCS series. EXTREMELY GOOD.

Carvin.com
TCSaudio.comindex.php/fa/3326/0/
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Michael 'Bink' Knowles on December 01, 2005, 02:18:15 am
Leo Rowe wrote on Wed, 30 November 2005 19:25

i'm sorry Peavey makes good stuff but..in this case carvin is the better manufacturer. And all other aspects of sound including guitar and keyboard stuff....but thats just my personal opinion...Smile


Leo, I'm curious about your relationship with Carvin. Are you being reimbursed for your public relations efforts? You posted in Oct.2004 as CaptainRowe (on a now-dead Carvin bulletin board) this review:

Quote:

TRX 153? one word...awesome. This boxes are very comparible to the eaw kf 650 series and sound extremely good. The 8 inch mid is a superb addition to the box. Definetly brings out your vocals through the mix. I primarily use them 3 way, but they sound very good in full range also. Y spend close to 3 grand for those each of those 650's when u can get 5 153s for that price and not sacrifice sound quality. Its good sh*t, trust me.


From my point of view, the KF650z beats the pants off the TRX153. But maybe that's just me.   Rolling Eyes

Another thing--why are you using a Mackie mixer and QSC amps when Carvin makes competing models? Didn't you say Carvin is the better manufacturer? All aspects of sound? Perhaps the presence of those non-Carvin units in your inventory will help make the case that you are NOT working for Carvin.

BTW, your posts are getting under my skin due to your too-frequent usage of gigantic images. Can you make them a little smaller and post each one only once? 900 pixels wide is wide enough, IMO.

Just wondering where you are coming from...

-Bink

P.S. It's time to take another stab at spelling Clarity in your profile...
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Tom Manchester on December 01, 2005, 03:28:15 am
*sigh* well that puts a bit of a damper on my enthusiasm towards these boxes Sad. They seem to be the only boxes I really like for under $1000 per box. Unfortunately this seems to be the only real world review of any sort about them with the exception of Carvin's own site. I fail to see how these could be that bad of a cabinet. Everything seems to be in the right place. 13 ply birch, B&C / Eminence drivers, Heck you can even fly them. What could really be wrong with them? Well, I'm just thinking out loud now. Last call, has anyone else heard these things before I go and order one from Carvin and take them up on the 10 day trial?
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Leo Rowe on December 01, 2005, 09:18:24 am
1. No I am not a Carvin rep, or am i being paid by Carvin to talk about their boxes. Just a satisfied customer and a believer of carvin products.

2. I use a variety of pro audio products and do not discriminate against any manufacturers. Once you make a good piece of equipment that is worth being in my rack, or in my store room for that matter i will buy it. Just because Mackie makes a good mixer does that mean everything in your inventory will be mackie? Especially with the variety of products that appear on riders' today?

3. I'm no longer in elementary school....so even if i did make a typographical mistake on my profile, or any where else for that matter i dont need u correcting it.

4. Does it really matter to me if those photos are gettin under your skin? They werent for you; they were to help those guys out that needed info on the boxes.

I'll tell everyone on this site, dont take my word for it. Hear it for your self. Carvin has an awesome 10 day money back guarantee on all their products. I had a friend that had a "Full Carvin" setup. I mean boards processors amps with TCS boxes and it made a believer out of me. I then proceeded to purchase and until this day I've had no problems. Great customer support and will do almost anything to get it right for you all the time.
index.php/fa/3327/0/
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on December 01, 2005, 03:05:09 pm
Well, I do like the TRX, but I know the EAW KF stuff would win. But  thats comparing a $3k box to a $600 box.

Looks like Tom wil have to buy 1 and we'll see what happens from there..

BTW Leo- Those pictures are getting a little annoying. You dont need to post the same picture over and over again. I can see the last ones just fine....


Evan
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Tom Manchester on December 01, 2005, 04:09:39 pm
While I too am certain that these aren't close to EAW KF in performance, after studying them a little more I see no reason they couldn't come close to maybe JBL SR47--X stuff. Everything seems to be in place and the drivers are from reputable manufacturers. If the cabinets are made to be flown in arrays then I imagine there is some degree of quality in the cabinet construction, especially since they are made of Baltic birch. I have heard they are even made along with the TCS stuff. I guess if Leo is anything like Evan or I then perhaps he has found a low priced product that really performs akin to something twice the price. We never expected to get such great performance out of the yorkville ls608's but they are incredible, and I think the same in performance to many items 2 or 3 times the price. As a result you all know we are phanatical about them and would reccomend them to anyone, but we are not dealers nor do we have any connection to yorkville. I suppose I will talk to my dad, the posessor of the credit card, and see if I can get one shipped out to me. If time permits I might be able to arrange a listening test at my church rec hall some weekend for myself and other local Labsters who may be interested. Perhaps this is a deal that has just been overlooked.
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Tom Manchester on December 01, 2005, 04:10:29 pm
While I too am certain that these aren't close to EAW KF in performance, after studying them a little more I see no reason they couldn't come close to maybe JBL SR47--X stuff. Everything seems to be in place and the drivers are from reputable manufacturers. If the cabinets are made to be flown in arrays then I imagine there is some degree of quality in the cabinet construction, especially since they are made of Baltic birch. I have heard they are even made along with the TCS stuff. I guess if Leo is anything like Evan or I then perhaps he has found a low priced product that really performs akin to something twice the price. We never expected to get such great performance out of the yorkville ls608's but they are incredible, and I think the same in performance to many items 2 or 3 times the price. As a result you all know we are phanatical about them and would reccomend them to anyone, but we are not dealers nor do we have any connection to yorkville. I suppose I will talk to my dad, the posessor of the credit card, and see if I can get one shipped out to me. If time permits I might be able to arrange a listening test at my church rec hall some weekend for myself and other local Labsters who may be interested. Perhaps this is a deal that has just been overlooked.
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series.... (OT)
Post by: Bennett Prescott on December 01, 2005, 04:56:27 pm
Thanks, Leo... Audio whore or real life Prostitute, you've still gotta wear nice clothes to attract the clientele, eh?
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Bennett Prescott on December 01, 2005, 04:59:58 pm
Listen before buying, Tom. Nothing raises my suspicion more than something that everyone claims matches a $2000 product yet costs only $200...

Drivers don't mean shit. I could take the best drivers in the world and make a really crappy speaker, because I am not a loudspeaker designer and I suspect that most people at Carvin aren't, either. I would also remember that anyone can build an enclosure that sounds OK on axis at reasonable volumes within 50'... what happens at the extreme edges of its coverage, at a rock concert, 100' away, at full power, when you're running 4 a side? That's what I'd like to know, and that's why the KF650 cannot be compared to this box.
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Michael 'Bink' Knowles on December 01, 2005, 05:18:06 pm
Quote:

3. I'm no longer in elementary school....so even if i did make a typographical mistake on my profile, or any where else for that matter i dont need u correcting it.


Well, it was kind of a silly misspelling that made me remember the way Benny Hill used to get away with almost saying naughty words on TV. I just thought you would want to know...

-Bink
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Franklin Benjamin on December 01, 2005, 05:28:39 pm
I think Tom intended to purchase one speaker for demoing (is that a word) and make good use of Carvins ten day return policy.  I have been tempted to do the same a few times.  I will say this, as I have purchased items from carvin before.  A few drivers and crossovers back in the "I've got a circular saw and plywood" days as well as their old TCS (pre TCSAUDIO)boxes.  At the time they sounded okay.  Now I am not so sure.  I will say that the passive networks that I have encountered from them do color the sound.  I can put an sr4725a out and beat the snot out of it because I know it can take the power.  But then again there is a significant difference in price.  The components themself for the most part were decent.  So if they were run triamped, I would think that they can be made to sound good.  Would I put B&C's smallest 1 inch up against a 2426.  I don't think so but then again not many one inch drivers can take the abuser that it can.  To me, it looks like it would be a good box once you were finished rolling your own settings as long as it is used as it should be.  The same TCS boxes that I have I think it was TCS 215, I would put them up against an SR4733 box anyday.  I can say that because I have used both and will tell you that processing makes such a difference.  Also the fact that the passive crossovers left the box after 15 minutes of listening.  If you plan on running the box passive, I would not recommend them unless they have changed their passive networks since last I purchased.
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Tom Manchester on December 01, 2005, 05:43:38 pm
man what a tough decision. On the one hand I could get some potentially great boxes for $600, on the other hand I could loose out on $100 for shipping returning them. fwiw I don't think these are the smallest of B&C's drivers. It is rated at 100 watts. Having a mid range driver I don't think the horn would have to work as hard either. Remember the jbl srx 3 way box? those had a small horn in them. Does anyone live near Carvin that could go and check these things out? Or, does anyone know anyone who has some and can give them a listen to see if they are worth my time? These are the only boxes I like in the price I want to spend unless anyone else has any ideas.

I guess if they don't sound good I could get some of Bennett's silica spherules to fix it Very Happy
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Bennett Prescott on December 01, 2005, 06:07:01 pm
Leo Rowe wrote on Thu, 01 December 2005 09:18

4. Does it really matter to me if those photos are gettin under your skin? They werent for you; they were to help those guys out that needed info on the boxes.

Yes. They're hugely annoying, hugely oversized, and practically (and in some cases entirely) identical photos that could have said the same thing at 640x480 or less.

As for the spelling... well, it's obvious which camp I sit in. How you present yourself to the world is your problem, but if you want to be taken seriously I suggest you polish up on those skills that some of us did take to heart in elementary school. Pretending that basic skills are unneccesary at the very least makes one wonder what else you might be glossing over. Being professional to a fault gets me more gigs than any piece of equipment ever could.
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Tom Manchester on December 01, 2005, 07:05:54 pm
Well that about does it. Nobody seems to be able to come up with a good or reliable review of these speakers so I'll order one tonight or tommorow and see what she can do. This thread has become like all the other TRX threads with one actual user saying it is good and everyone suspecting it is crap. I think it's time to know for sure.
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....Cheap drivers
Post by: Ivan Beaver on December 01, 2005, 07:31:51 pm
Bennett Prescott wrote on Thu, 01 December 2005 16:59


Drivers don't mean shit. I could take the best drivers in the world and make a really crappy speaker, because I am not a loudspeaker designer.


Agreed. There are several manufacturers that make very good cabinets and yet use relatively cheap drivers.  It is the overall DESIGN that matters.  In speaker manufacturing, the finished product is not just the sum of its parts.

True design, is a lot more than simply sticking some speakers in a box because "it looks cool" or "people like that type of design".  It is proper integration of all of the parts-including drivers-crossovers-alignment-tuning etc.
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Bennett Prescott on December 01, 2005, 08:14:39 pm
Hear hear!
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Adam Mottley on December 01, 2005, 08:45:39 pm
Bennett Prescott wrote on Thu, 01 December 2005 19:14

Hear hear!


Bennett,

Well said, in a freudian sort of way Wink

Adam
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Tom Manchester on December 01, 2005, 09:50:12 pm
But who's to say Leo isn't right. Maybe they did find a good combination for the price. I will possibly order one tommorow and let you all know how it is. IIRC everyone I have heard from that actually has TRX stuff seems to like it. The only negative feedback on it are from people who have never seen nor heard it. I think it's time to settle this debate once and for all, if it is good well i'll have a rockin system for a low price. If it's crap I'm only out 100 bucks and we are all a little wiser.
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Bennett Prescott on December 01, 2005, 10:14:47 pm
I'm not saying he's not, Tom. I'd very much like to get an opinion on one that isn't the utterly useless "It's better than a KF650", which is isn't, no matter who says it is. There's a very good possibility it's an excellent speaker in a good price range for one or two per side operation by small sound companies like your own. (Although judging by the other hardware you've been looking at it might be your B rig)
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Tom Manchester on December 02, 2005, 12:13:40 am
Bennett Prescott wrote on Thu, 01 December 2005 22:14

(Although judging by the other hardware you've been looking at it might be your B rig)


I was thinking Drum Fill when we buy the vertec rig  Razz

P.S. how do you think your Fused Silica Auditory Enhancement Spherules would work as Phase plugs if the TRX horns need a little fine tuning Smile
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Tom Manchester on December 02, 2005, 01:15:40 am
found a little more info here:

http://www.proaudioreview.com/may05/carvin_trx_153.shtml
Title: Re: magazine reviews
Post by: Kent Clasen on December 02, 2005, 02:14:07 pm
While I have never heard the speakers being discussed, I can say that it is very hard to find a negative review in most magazines.  I was surprised to see a review this month in PAR that had several negatives about the Mackie 1640.  

I recently read a quote from the original New Yorker Magazine editor and he wouldn't talk to or associate with ANYONE even vaguely associated with the advertising end of the magazine.  He wanted to be able to offer honest opionions, not based on any weight an advertiser might throw around.  

These may be fine loudspeakers.  You are doing the right thing, get some real world opinions and get one to judge for yourself.

Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Tom Manchester on December 02, 2005, 03:20:03 pm
Well that's what I'm gonna do. I will order one tonight. The review in that magazine seemed pretty honest. It did list some negatives as well as the good points so It's gotta be fairly honest. Hopefully I will have one by next weekend and I can try it out. I'm gonna take it to church and set it up in our 80'x80' room with 20' ceilings and try it full range with a single yorkville ls608 as sub. Power will be a crown microtech 1200 bridged for the top and xs900 for the sub. Crossover is DOD sr-835 and I'll take along a yamaha 31 band eq too for tweaking. I'm going to talk to some people and see how long I can use the room for (if at all) and maybe if there is someone around me with smarrt that can bring that out we can check it with that. It's high time somebody do a good review of these speakers because up until now it all seems to be a bunch of rumors and suspicions.
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Tom Manchester on December 02, 2005, 06:48:37 pm
Well we will soon know the real deal behind Carvin TRX soon. I just ordered a single trx-153 (less expensive to ship back if it sucks) so we will soon know how they really are. Wish me luck! This could be the end of the search for new tops atleast for this month Twisted Evil.

Now I'm off to see "Walk the Line" in an empty theater Razz
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Antone Atmarama Bajor on December 02, 2005, 10:49:21 pm
     I'm finding the Carvin Dual 18sub claim of -3dB at 30Hz Highly dubious.  The only way I'm thinking they could achieve that number would be if they used some passive Low Q Notch filter in the cab to attenuate the midbass.

    Modeling the driver in Bass Box Pro, I'm finding that in an extended response Vented cab the 30Hz point to be -9.5dB

    In a cab thats optimized for "Hi-Fidelity" and to prevent overexcusion it models -15dB at 30Hz.

    And of course the driver still exceeds Xmax driven to RMS levels.

    So how exactly do they get away with the -3dB @ 30Hz rating for these cabs????

Antone-
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Tom Manchester on December 02, 2005, 11:18:56 pm
Antone Atmarama Bajor wrote on Fri, 02 December 2005 22:49

     I'm finding the Carvin Dual 18sub claim of -3dB at 30Hz Highly dubious.  The only way I'm thinking they could achieve that number would be if they used some passive Low Q Notch filter in the cab to attenuate the midbass.

    Modeling the driver in Bass Box Pro, I'm finding that in an extended response Vented cab the 30Hz point to be -9.5dB

    In a cab thats optimized for "Hi-Fidelity" and to prevent overexcusion it models -15dB at 30Hz.

    And of course the driver still exceeds Xmax driven to RMS levels.

    So how exactly do they get away with the -3dB @ 30Hz rating for these cabs????

Antone-


What driver did you model it with? IIRC the JBL 4719 could go to 25 hz, so i imagine it is possible.
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Antone Atmarama Bajor on December 03, 2005, 02:30:27 am
Huh I modeled the carvin PS18H-8 18" driver.  They same one carvins use in their cabs.  I don't think they have ever used JBL drivers in any of their products.

    If JBL claims their -3dB with that cab at 25Hz they are trying to blow smoke up everyones ass.  1 JBL 2241 in an extended bass cab of 14 cubic feet would be -4dB around 30Hz  and probably be very high in harmonic distortion.  I don't know the dimensions on the 4719 but it would have to be ~30cu' to have that sort of extension with 2 2241's.  

    25Hz -10dB for a limited amount of power.  Driven to RMS the coil will be out of the gap so really nothing but non linear distortion.

    Not that most live music contains lots of signal in that range other than wind noise, transients and plosives.

    I would bet my money the only way the Carvins perform  -3dB at 30Hz is with heavy equalization and your total SPL in that range is going to be determined by the drivers Xmax and it will be highly distorted and just downright nasty when you exceed xmax.

    Same for the JBL cabs.  They like to sprinkle a little BS into their specs too.    

Antone-
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....Sub measurement reality ?????
Post by: Ivan Beaver on December 03, 2005, 10:23:29 am
If you spend a fair amount of time looking at manufacturers specs and their measured data (that is getting harder to find) you will find a general trend.  Several MAJOR manufacturers will measure +-3db and call anything in that window as "0"  Then they take the -3db down point from the already -3db point for an actual -6dB down point.  That is for the consertively rated ones.  Others will use the +-3 for a total of 6 and call the "0" point  as actually -6dB down.  THEN they take 3 more away for the "published" -3 point.  Maybe that is what you are seeing.

Others will first take a sensitivity rating of their speakers with no processor.  That gives then a high number for sensitivity.  THEN they will apply their "processor" to get the low freq limits.  The problems is that within the processor they are applying a boost at the lower freq, so the actually wattage applied to the speakers is much higher than the 1W equivilent.  If they were to apply the processor and then get the 1W rating, the sensitivity would be MUCH lower.

Getting real honest data is hard to find these days.

Other games manufacturers like to play are to drive a 4 ohm box with 2.83V so the input is actually 2W.

Some others will actually measure the sub @1M and they will get a false sense of actual SPL level because the size of the box-in relation to the distance of the mic and the freq involved will give a higher than normal reading-than if you measured at a distance of say 10M and applied 100W (as Danley does).

Another fun fact is to see at what freq they actually measure the sensitivity at.  One of biggest companies actually publishes the sensitivity of a 2x18" box and it's peak is around 1800 Hz! Laughing That's where I would cross over my 18's at. NOT!  You will often see subs with a sensitivity rating at the loudest point they can get below 200Hz.  That is better, but I want to know is how loud it will get at say 40-60Hz.

And back on topic-a lot of the sensitivity ratings of triamped boxes are made at the point in the response that has the highest peak. But in reality, you are going to have to remove that peak to make it sound good, so the actual sensitivity ACROSS THE BAND is what I want to know, not what a certain peak is.  

The question remains-What is the actually usable response and sensitivity of the loudspeaker?

Sorry to rant, but REAL ACTUAL HONEST speaker ratings has become a serious "hobby" for me of late.  And the sad thing is, is that is a very depressing hobby-but enlightning.  There are VEY few companies that are givign true data, that you can count on.

I believe that anybody should be able to recreate the manufacturers data with only a calibrated SPL meter and a flat signal generator and a VOM, without having to use some special test stimulas (that only they can create) that is totally against all standard specs. This does of course include that they have a proper test area (ie free from reflections in the freq of interest) to do the tests.  This means for low freq, you better be in the middle of a field with nothing around.

And don't get me started on "power handling" and max peak SPL Twisted Evil

I will PM you some of the data that I have collected regarding low freq cutoffs and measurements.  It all comes from the manufacturers own websites.

Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Tom Manchester on December 04, 2005, 02:36:50 am
Ah well, it was just a suggestion. I never really looked into the specs for dual sub boxes, atleast in any detail. On the topic of TRX's though I got the order confirmation so they should ship out soon. Wish me luck! I hope these are good boxes, they are what I am looking for in a speaker at the moment without shelling out a few grand for kf650's Shocked
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Antone Atmarama Bajor on December 04, 2005, 07:51:44 pm
     All of that will depend on the quality of the driver, xover components and execution of the design.

    You can make a shity or cheap speaker perform Better than a great expensive speaker if the great one is not implemented properly.

Antone-
Title: jbl measurements.....ugh!
Post by: Tim Duffin on December 05, 2005, 04:18:23 am
Speaking of the measurement of the JBL 4719x box-- it is HUGE-- by far the biggest dual 18 box I have ever seen.  While I do like the boxes and they do put a substantial amount of other subs to shame, I also do not agree with JBL's rating of 136DB at 25Hz....um...come on JBL, thats just stupid.  I dont even need a meter to tell you that there isnt any single box that can do that-- I suppose that was a marketing spec for people who do not have the equipment to measure the speaker. Confused  

T

Title: Re: jbl measurements.....ugh!
Post by: Antone Atmarama Bajor on December 05, 2005, 05:49:35 am
     I think JBL and other companies are working the more is better lower is better angle Evil or Very Mad .  I don't think a majority of people even know what 25-30Hz at High output is like.  JBL and other manufacturers just take advantage of their customers lack of exposure to such energies and make questionable claims.  People just see the printed numbers and assume thats what they've got since they don't have a basis of comparison.

    The only thing I can do to come close to explain High output sub bass like that is standing next to a natural gas powered Bus's exhaust pipe while its idling.  Sorta throby sensations.  Not punchy or tight at the edge of being audible (hence sub bass).

    I like it personally, but I know a few people who don't appreciate it very much. Twisted Evil

Antone-    
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Tom Manchester on December 05, 2005, 11:30:36 pm
Well 2 good bits of news. I got the Shipping notice today that my TRX153 is on the way via Pilot Air. I also talked to the pastor at my church and he said it would be open saturday morning and I could borrow a key and test my stuff in our hall. Evan might be coming up too to have a listen so I can get a second opinion. I'll take my yamaha s112iv and Evan is bringing a JBL JRX115 so we can compare between the trx with some known sources. We're also contacting some other sound persons to come along for more opinions. I might have access to a DBX measurement mic. Does anyone know of any free RTA software?

Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Weogo Reed on December 05, 2005, 11:50:37 pm
Hi Tom,

This software looks interesting:

http://digilander.libero.it/hsoft/

The site is in Italian, but the software is in English.


Don't count on RTA software to do much more than show huge differences between speakers.
You might want to do a search on comparing speakers.  
At least remember one fact, the louder speaker almost always sounds better.

Good health,  Weogo
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Antone Atmarama Bajor on December 06, 2005, 01:25:38 am
http://digilander.libero.it/hsoft/

This one is Ok I think their are a few others around.  Though a TEF or some sort of swept measurement would be better.

    FFT will show all reflected energy, But up close it may be accurate enough.

Antone-
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Antone Atmarama Bajor on December 06, 2005, 01:27:04 am
Oh you got that like already.

Antone-
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Mike Sveda on December 07, 2005, 09:31:51 am
Looking forward to an honest review.  
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Christopher Myers on December 07, 2005, 06:29:13 pm
Tom, you are in Deleware, yes?  I'm here in mid-western NJ, if time permits I might be able to take a trip down there with a few amps, a DR480, and an NL-8 breakout panel/cable, and we can test the cab in tri-amped mode.  If that's not possible, see what you can do about testing that, I'm sure we'd also like to see measurements without the passive x-over getting in the way.  

-Chris "also mad curious" Myers
Tangent Productions, llc
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Tom Manchester on December 07, 2005, 06:49:22 pm
Mike Sveda wrote on Wed, 07 December 2005 09:31

Looking forward to an honest review.  


And that is what you shall get. In fact, the reason I am inviting others is to get some different viewpoints. They may sound nice to me but that could be because I shelled out $650 for one. It never hurts to have a second set of ears, or third, or more.

And Chris I'll see if I can scrounge up an NL8 if you can't make it. The problem is I don't have smaart or any fancy testing stuff beyond a radio shack SPL meter and my ears, so alot of testing will be "human opinion based".
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Jerry Nuckolls on December 07, 2005, 07:25:50 pm
Tom,
    There are other ways you can test the loudspeaker, aside from using smaart.  While I enjoy the luxury of smaart, praxis offers a fully featured rta, along with some other testing possibilities, that smaart live does not offer. The praxis rta is free to use. http://www.libinst.com/index.html  (if you decide to use praxis, spend a little time beforehand getting used to the interface, it's a little awkward.)

You might also download the rta demo at the allen and heath website. http://www.allen-heath.com/US/ViewProductdownloads.asp?searc h=RTA&I2=Find  

If you're feeling really bold, you might download some sweep files from the Syn-Aud-Con website and test the room with each speaker too.  Here is a link http://www.synaudcon.com/irexch/files/sacirxchange.htm
.

Other methods might be to download the free adobe audition demo, record a pink noise signal from the mic and use the onboard FFT analysis section to gather your data.  This will allow you to look at the data in a recorded format for later viewing.

I too am curious about the real world results of the carvin box, as I think it *might* make a fine low cost portable pa box.  Some differences to consider right off the bat:  


Carvin coverage: 60hx40v  xover: unknown
JBL jrx115     : 90hx50v  xover: 1.6k
yam s112iv     : 90hx45v  xover: 2k

From these specs, you should expect to hear the high frequencies on axis and drop off quicker as you move around the box.  The JBL and Yam will tend to hold their high frequencies for a greater angle off axis.


If you have any questions, feel free to email me.  
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: John Chiara on December 08, 2005, 05:08:04 pm
Jerry Nuckolls wrote on Wed, 07 December 2005 19:25

I too am curious about the real world results of the carvin box, as I think it *might* make a fine low cost portable pa box.  Some differences to consider right off the bat:  


Carvin coverage: 60hx40v  xover: unknown
JBL jrx115     : 90hx50v  xover: 1.6k
yam s112iv     : 90hx45v  xover: 2k

From these specs, you should expect to hear the high frequencies on axis and drop off quicker as you move around the box.  The JBL and Yam will tend to hold their high frequencies for a greater angle off axis.


If you have any questions, feel free to email me.  


My experience..the JRX also drops off noticably ON axis about 12 feet out..small horn that.


Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on December 08, 2005, 05:19:54 pm
John Chiara wrote on Thu, 08 December 2005 17:08

Jerry Nuckolls wrote on Wed, 07 December 2005 19:25

I too am curious about the real world results of the carvin box, as I think it *might* make a fine low cost portable pa box.  Some differences to consider right off the bat:  


Carvin coverage: 60hx40v  xover: unknown
JBL jrx115     : 90hx50v  xover: 1.6k
yam s112iv     : 90hx45v  xover: 2k

From these specs, you should expect to hear the high frequencies on axis and drop off quicker as you move around the box.  The JBL and Yam will tend to hold their high frequencies for a greater angle off axis.


If you have any questions, feel free to email me.  


My experience..the JRX also drops off noticably ON axis about 12 feet out..small horn that.






I'd have to disagree. I dont notice an drop in HF with mine. The horns seem to throw quite well with mine.

Evan
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Jerry Nuckolls on December 08, 2005, 06:05:09 pm
John and Evan,
  For clarification, I am refering to moving around the box in a circle, essentially building a polar pattern in your head, not moving away from the speaker while on axis with the horn and driver.

Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Tom Manchester on December 12, 2005, 05:56:21 pm
Update: I got word from the shipping company and set up a delivery date, so I will have it <Carvin trx-153> for a "living room" test in a couple days.

On another note let me say that I'm not to pleased with the particular company it was shipped through. Slow, poor tracking and communication, and you have to set up a delivery time with them. Even though the box is an hour away from me at the moment I have to wait 2 days for it to get here. Which means if I want to get another one in time for my jan 6th gig w/ Evan I am going to be in a time crunch to get my order in and shipped here in time, and I still need to set up a trial in a big room.
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Michael 'Bink' Knowles on December 13, 2005, 10:46:37 am
Quote:

Even though the box is an hour away from me at the moment I have to wait 2 days for it to get here.


Too bad you can't go get it. Or can you? Ask.

-Bink
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Tom Manchester on December 13, 2005, 03:16:55 pm
I could possibly go pick it up, but I decided against it because I did pay $50 for them to deliver it to my doorstep and I don't want to waste my own gas or time going to get it. It's also finals week for me so I'm a bit pressed for time. I am aiming for Saturday as a Test date at my church if anyone is still interested. I will post the results in a new thread since this one is getting a bit long and off topic.  
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Mark Forsyth on January 08, 2006, 06:43:09 pm
As Bennett said, cabinet design as a science/art.  The TRX 153
was designed by an actual speaker engineer as a prototype for the TCS series, and not by the regular Carvin guys. It is a better design than the regular Carvin boxes. I also agree that the TRX cannot compete with the EAW KF line but the TCS 1500 and 2500 do. Still a lot less $$ the an EAW and awesome power and sound. If you're making thousands a night get EAW or Meyer, if you're making hundreds a night consider Carvin or TCS.  Busines is business.
 I am also not a Carvin endorser or employee.  
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS on January 08, 2006, 07:05:08 pm
I don't think they ever invisioned the TRX line to compete with the KF type boxes but rather to compete with the boxes that you would buy at the local Banjo Center, etc.  

I can tell you that my TCS boxes can and do compete with the KF boxes and make me a lot of money! Very Happy  

The 2800s are slammin' subs.  The 2500s are huge and a bit heavy but they absolutely rock.  I also own some of the original TCS215 and TCS218 boxes that were branded as Carvin.  They rock too.  I am slightly biased being a dealer but when you get the feedback about how the clients like the boxes it makes it quite rewarding.  Of course I am only slightly biased and not completely biased because I do use other brands too, I just don't sell any other brands.

I wouldn't have any problems using the TRX line for many types of gigs.  
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Tom Manchester on January 09, 2006, 12:13:16 am
marfkf wrote on Sun, 08 January 2006 18:43

The TRX 153
was designed by an actual speaker engineer as a prototype for the TCS series, and not by the regular Carvin guys. It is a better design than the regular Carvin boxes.


Wow, I never knew that. Kind of makes me feel a little better about getting these. I like the sound of it but I still have yet to use the box in a real live application. They are really professional feeling boxes. I think they will carry me a good way especially if Evan gets 2 of them we should have a pretty sweet trap system able to cover crowds of several hundred people and do some outdoor shows too. Now if only we could get some real AC power at these venues then we could open up the amps a little Twisted Evil.
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS on January 09, 2006, 08:53:30 am
Tom, It's time to start renting generators.  I do it on almost every gig!  They cost me about $150.00 to $250.00 per day depending on size.  With the small stuff you could use a 50amp motion labs racpac and some 6/4 SOOW cable and you are up and running, it will handle your whole rig with no problems.
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Tom Manchester on January 09, 2006, 05:14:07 pm
RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS wrote on Mon, 09 January 2006 08:53

Tom, It's time to start renting generators.  I do it on almost every gig!  They cost me about $150.00 to $250.00 per day depending on size.  With the small stuff you could use a 50amp motion labs racpac and some 6/4 SOOW cable and you are up and running, it will handle your whole rig with no problems.


Laughing If only I made that much on the gigs I do. If i rented one now at what I am currently making then I would probably end up $50-100 in the hole! I'm probably gonna push for it at any more outdoor shows because the last few I have done we are promised a gennie but they show up with an old Honda or Briggs and Straton powered one and say "this should be plenty, right?" I've learned to carry a ton of 12/3 extension cords (orange / yellow of course Twisted Evil)  and pray for an open building nearby.
  It's getting hard though to find enough 20 amp outlets with my rig as it is. I do Have a Poor man's Distro and a regular ditro and hopefully can get some places with a 50 amp outlet of some sort. Well, I'm done being off topic....
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS on January 09, 2006, 06:49:52 pm
Hey Tom,

If someone is promoting an event with people coming to enjoy the entertainment then they aren't doing it for free unless they are out of their minds.  They may be.  You too need to make money.  

I have a local company that I have built a good relationship with to provide my generators.  They are not expensive.  Average is about $200 per day depending on what size, how far it needs to be delivered and when it needs to be picked up.  I charge for the generator on my invoice to the client!  There is no reason for someone to not pay the extra money so you can provide a better service for them.  Is such a small investment for them.  For out of town event I out the generator requirements in the contract.  When I am not familiar with a venue I will often require two.  The first one for lights and the second one for sound.  I own my own spider boxes and 6/4 cable so it make it a little easier for me but sometimes I need to add a little of that on there too.

So for your next outdoor gig tell the purchaser that you have upgrading the sound system and that you now require a 50 amp 120/240V connection.  Let them know that you can arrange for the generator and add it on to the invoice.  I can almost bet that they won't turn you down.  Try it out and let us know how it works.  

Just remember, "The answer is always "NO" if you don't ask"!!!!

Good luck! Ryan
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Phil LaDue on January 16, 2006, 05:28:39 pm
Any updates?
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on January 16, 2006, 05:34:26 pm
Phil LaDue wrote on Mon, 16 January 2006 17:28

Any updates?


Not yet.

First show with Tom's TRX's is in 2 weeks. The 27th.

We'll be posting a review after the gig.


Evan
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Phil LaDue on January 16, 2006, 11:30:48 pm
I might come down there and have listen for myself(if it's ok you of course?)as I will be in Wilmington DE and most likely Elkton MD(cousin is the pastor at the methodist church there) for a few days in February.
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Aaron McQueen on February 01, 2006, 01:10:07 pm
How did the TRX's work out?
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on February 01, 2006, 03:13:34 pm
Aaron McQueen wrote on Wed, 01 February 2006 13:10

How did the TRX's work out?



Gig got cancelled... again...

So I have no idea when the first gig with em will be.

WE still played with em though:
http://srforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/t/11967/6178/?SQ=f 193b5697e6efaa655af890f67a774ee



Evan
Title: My 2 cents (and that may be all its worth)
Post by: Erik Osland on February 12, 2006, 11:36:21 pm
Hi,

I own a set of 152's that I use for monitors.  I believe they are identical exept for design and the mid.  First let me start off with the good news about them.  They are rediculously durable.  I work with nothing but punk bands and drunkards, so my monitors have been dropped, kicked, beered, and a truck ramp was dropped on one once.  So far the accumulated damage is one small scrape and one very slightly dented grill.  I also use them for my own band where I sing.  And I have never heard myself better.  Even with the hypercardioid condenser mics I use, I can place one monitor in front of me (which you shouldn't do with those mics) and I can still hear myself very accurately above my rediculously loud band (if you are familiar with The Boyzz, I currently play with, Mike, the guitarist LOUD!!!!).  Vocals and guitars sound great through them, snare and toms sound pretty good.  They start to have a problem with the lower frequencies.  They project the "pop" of the kick drum pretty well, but the guts aren't there as much as I would like.  But, then again I might just be to picky.  After all they are designed to be monitors and they were $329.

For what it is worth, I got comments from some of my clients after their band performed with the set of four and I could not even solicit a bad comment.  These acts ranged from heavey metal bands to adult contemporary lounge acts, to blues bands and aside from the occasional request for an alteration in the mix there were NO BAD COMMENTS!

For monitors, I believe they beat out mpro's and sr-x's.  Unequalized, running my own sound from stage, I've gotten these to sound better than sr4722x's run by a dedicated monitor mixer at a big gig.  By the by, I run them passive and the 4722's were run biamp for those curious.  They are beaten in clarity and volume by community sls920's though.  

So basically

a run down of qualitative specs
Durable--Hell yeah
Loud--yep
clear--enough
bassy--leaves some to the immagination

For the price they are unbeatable!!!  But I'm still debating about using them as an foh system.  

SEACREST--OUT
Title: Re: My 2 cents (and that may be all its worth)
Post by: Micheal Martinez on March 24, 2006, 09:31:15 am
A quick question for those of you who have TRX speakers. In your opinion would the finish on those be easily paintable for an install application?(I need white speakers) I am specifically talking about the 153'S.

Thanks
Mike
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Jon Dees on April 01, 2006, 01:39:25 am
So correct me if I'm wrong, but here's a little math:

4 TRX 153's :$2400
1 Driverack 260: $1000
1 each of 3 Macrotechs from earlier post: $5700 (from AudioEast)
1 14U EWI rack: $190
Don't even care to add up how much cables, rack panels, etc. would be for this setup

Total for this would then be $9300 plus shipping and other stuff.

4 Yorkville U15P's: $5550 (from AudioEast)
1 dbx 2231: $500
4 Audiopile speaker stands: $160 plus shipping

So somewhat more than $6200 for this setup.

To both systems you would want to add subs for many events, but if you believe published specs the Unity's would be significantly louder than the Carvins and would definitely offer better pattern control down to the mid/low xover frequency.  Anyways, just a thought I had...

Jon Dees
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Tom Manchester on April 01, 2006, 02:37:36 am
Well I will go into more detail about it later, but just to let you all know. Evan and I did our first gig with the TRX's. the rig was 4 yorkville ls608's with a little under 5 kw going into them all, and 2 Carvin TRX-153's powered (in passive mode) by a plx1602 bridged (800 watts / box). The rig really kicked ass. Plenty of bass, so much that when we played the customary "techno" music before hand when you would walk within 4' of the subs your vision would become slightly blurry and you could feel it shaking you. The TRX's kept up with this just fine. They sounded pretty damn good and we had almost no problems keeping up with loud rock bands. We were doing i think at some points over 100dba at foh 60' from stage. About halfway through the gig evan turned to me and said "alright, i'm buying some TRX's."

I was a bit concerned from preliminary tests that they would not "throw" vocals well, but they did very well, no problems there. It also sounded less "strained" to me then your typical 15+ horn. The mid made it sound more natural in the vocal range along the lines of a 12+ horn box.

So basically they are some pretty good bang for the buck boxes. I mean the boxes alone are worth that as "pro" feeling as they are.  They sound pretty great too.

And in regards to the post regarding painting them, it's basically covered in a hard truck bed liner covering, like thick rubber. You could probably paint them with latex paint if you were gonna install them but i would guess you would need several coats if you were going to do a light color so the black wouldn't show through. You'd probably be best off if you tried several kinds of paint on them in test spots.
Title: Re: My 2 cents (and that may be all its worth)
Post by: RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS on April 01, 2006, 05:11:48 pm
Micheal Martinez wrote on Fri, 24 March 2006 07:31

A quick question for those of you who have TRX speakers. In your opinion would the finish on those be easily paintable for an install application?(I need white speakers) I am specifically talking about the 153'S.

Thanks
Mike


Hey Mike,

TCS Audio (owned by carvin) offers a couple speakers in white.  You could call up carvin and see if they would special make some of the TRX speakers in white for you.  I don't know if they will or not but the answer is always "NO" if you don't ask.

Later, Ryan
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Mike Sveda on April 03, 2006, 06:46:41 am
Congrats on the TRX's working ourt for you. I would guess the smaller TRX wedges might sound pretty good too now.
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Tom Manchester on April 12, 2006, 04:27:19 pm
Mike Sveda wrote on Mon, 03 April 2006 06:46

Congrats on the TRX's working ourt for you. I would guess the smaller TRX wedges might sound pretty good too now.


Indeed. When these CGM wedges I am using now bite the dust or don't cut it anymore, the TRX122 monitors will probably be on my list of things to buy.
Title: Re: Carvin TRX Series....
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on July 20, 2006, 08:18:59 pm
Read the rules, do some searching and you'll find all the info you could want. I've posted several "reviews" of them. I havent yet had time to do a full out review, but I plan on it when I have some time to sit down with them and smaart.



Evan