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Title: stuff
Post by: Jamin Lynch on February 23, 2005, 09:39:43 pm
just thought I would share some pics
Title: Re: stuff
Post by: Lee Patzius on February 23, 2005, 10:14:28 pm
the link ain't working
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Post by: Fred Garrett on February 24, 2005, 11:43:39 am
I am also getting the dreaded red "X"
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Post by: Jamin Lynch on February 24, 2005, 12:25:17 pm
OPPS!! One more time.
Title: Re: stuff
Post by: Jamin Lynch on February 24, 2005, 12:27:22 pm
One more
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Post by: Jamin Lynch on February 24, 2005, 12:29:21 pm
What the heck, one more
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Post by: Mac Kerr on February 24, 2005, 01:02:37 pm
Hey Jamin, did it ever occur to you to explain what was in all these pictures in the body of your message, or better still in the subject line? Not everyone wants to spend the time to download pics of someone's FX rack.

Mac
Title: Re: stuff
Post by: Jamin Lynch on February 24, 2005, 01:19:30 pm
Well excuse me. Don't mean to waste your time.
Title: Re: stuff
Post by: Jason Ellis on February 24, 2005, 03:07:03 pm
Typically it is common is post a short discription longer than "Yo, check out my swag" or "Hey isn't my effects rack / mixer cool" so the guys checking out the forum on modems don't have to sit through tedious downloads. Also, stuff as a topic head could mean, hey I've got stuff to sell, or hey check out my cool gear...just FYI


Also you may want to check out this link:
http://www.thetapeworks.com/
for console tape, it doesn't leave a nasty goo on your nice board after you remove it, and you can stick it above where your hands sit, along the white row on the board where the channel numbering is so you can glance at it without having to lift your hands...

They also have good prices on gaffers tape for securing you mics lines, and cheap duracell procells for you radio mics...
Title: Re: stuff
Post by: Tom Reid on February 24, 2005, 04:06:52 pm
Icephish wrote on Thu, 24 February 2005 14:07

Typically it is common is post a short discription longer than "Yo, check out my swag" or "Hey isn't my effects rack / mixer cool" so the guys checking out the forum on modems don't have to sit through tedious downloads. Also, stuff as a topic head could mean, hey I've got stuff to sell, or hey check out my cool gear...just FYI


Also you may want to check out this link:
http://www.thetapeworks.com/
for console tape, it doesn't leave a nasty goo on your nice board after you remove it, and you can stick it above where your hands sit, along the white row on the board where the channel numbering is so you can glance at it without having to lift your hands...

They also have good prices on gaffers tape for securing you mics lines, and cheap duracell procells for you radio mics...


I spent some time with a Brother PTouch lable maker, and some refigerator magnet material, and made up a bunch of little board magnets.  No more tape on the Soundcraft.  
Title: Re: stuff
Post by: Michael 'Bink' Knowles on February 24, 2005, 05:55:13 pm
Dude, is that really duct tape?  Rolling Eyes

Another thing that makes mixing easier is snugging up your mic inputs to bring them closer to the central master section. If I were mixing that show, I'd be tempted to move the first section of inputs up seven inputs so that the empty slots from 10 to 16 are filled up. But that's just me.

-Bink
Title: Re: stuff
Post by: Bill Gruber on February 24, 2005, 06:31:12 pm
Who needs board tape? On my DM2k I get a digital readout of the channel id  Very Happy

-Sax
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Post by: Tom Reid on February 24, 2005, 06:52:04 pm
Bink wrote on Thu, 24 February 2005 16:55

Dude, is that really duct tape?  Rolling Eyes

Another thing that makes mixing easier is snugging up your mic inputs to bring them closer to the central master section. If I were mixing that show, I'd be tempted to move the first section of inputs up seven inputs so that the empty slots from 10 to 16 are filled up. But that's just me.

-Bink


And some of us pray for a free channel.
Title: Re: stuff
Post by: Dave Dermont on February 24, 2005, 08:48:55 pm
I especially like that last picture.  Rolling Eyes

I like how some stuff is plugged into an unlabeled rack panel, and other stuff is plugged right into the back of the amps. Having all the cables hanging out in the open to catch on stuff is really cool too.

The cheezy yellow extension cord is icing on the cake. Were all the orange ones used up? Laughing

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Post by: Lee Patzius on February 25, 2005, 02:52:03 am
I like that magnet idea (if the console ain't aluminum). personally, I always carry rolls of white electrician's tape and sharpies.

Otherwise, besides what has already been critiqued (and I'll add the fact that I just don't know anything about the Yamaha effects) I think you've got a really nice system. OK I admit it, VERY nice! In comparison to what we've been playing through, it totally makes our system look like a piece of $#!t!
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Post by: Andy Leviss on February 26, 2005, 12:51:14 pm
Eegads, e-tape on a console is almost as bad as duct or such. Console tape, or it's identical twin, paper artist's tape (available at any art supply store) is the ONLY adhesive you should ever use on a console (the one exception I make to that rule is P-Touch tape with the NORMAL adhesive, not the heavy duty ones). Anything else gets nassssssty when you remove it, especially if it's gotten nice and hot.

--A
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Post by: ChainedDragon on February 26, 2005, 02:00:49 pm
 Confused
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Post by: John Roberts {JR} on February 26, 2005, 03:01:20 pm
Glad to see you had me turned up...  Smile

JR
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Post by: Lee Patzius on February 26, 2005, 05:10:11 pm
Quote:

Eegads, e-tape on a console is almost as bad as duct or such.


DUDE!!! That simply ain't true! Are you sure about that? Duct tape? I use Scotch 35 White Vinyl electrical tape all the time!

I'm not talking about the nasty but killer Scotch 33+ Black tape... Who'd be able to write on black tape anyway? I'm talking the colored 35 vinyl electrical tape.

As a matter of fact, I carry all the colors of Scotch 35 vinyl in my tool bag, and for over 9 documented years in a row as a Scotch 35 vinyl user, (because I don't know the brand I used 20 years before that) I've used it as temporary tape on paper too. I use it as a makeshift "post-it note" adhesive for delicate jobs, labels, and for temporary tape duty, I use it to hold up electrical prints on control panel doors, on construction sites, and it'll peel off perfectly without leaving any residue AND without ripping the paper when careful.

Now, if I were to take my heat gun and melt it, or use it outside in the blistering hot sun for days on end, or leave it on there permanently, yeah it'll leave residue when removed. But for temporary indoor usage, especially for short term console duty, tested weeks on end at a time, it leaves absolutely zero residue, especially on painted enamel, silk screened surfaces, and again, when removed from paper, zero paper rip-page, but it may pick up pencil marks. Sure... I could rip paper with it if I were to prove a point. But I wouldn't knowingly suggest a bad idea on this site.

I especially wouldn't make a claim if I hadn't tried it. Have YOU tried it? It is a FAR cry from duct tape.

But if that ain't enough, I also use colored VWR Scientific tape in the same manner as above too. Designed for zero residue labelling in laboratories, and its waterproof, which is even kinder and gentler for researchers, tears by hand very easy, and can be purchased from VWR Scientific, and that's the problem... It's not readily available everywhere. So... As a field service instrument electrician by day, the Scotch 35 white vinyl that I carry on me by day AND night, it is plentiful, tried and true, and proven nearly perfect for the job, especially console labeling, and everything else!

And... It even doubles as bonified electrical tape too, great for insulating, AND marking, AND removing, from wire pull bundles, like I do all the time... every day damn near.
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Post by: Dan Brown on February 26, 2005, 10:11:47 pm
I agree with LJP,
I use the white Scotch 35 white vinyl tape and it works great, NO residue.  The black stuff on the other hand leaves crap on everything.  I also use all the other colors and they work pretty much the same as the white stuff.  The white does not really leave anything behind, even in high heat for a month at a time or more.  I even left a piece on a rack for "temporary" labeling for over a year, it came off fine no residue.  I use board tape on my consoles however, it isn't as expensive as the electrical tape (scotch 35 that is)
peace
Title: Re: stuff
Post by: Mike Babcock on February 26, 2005, 11:48:36 pm
LJP

Have you used console tape or artist tape? Doesn't sound like it.

While White E Tape CAN be used, I strongly suggest against it.

Being in Florida can really tell you quickly what happens to E-tape when it gets warm.

I have a tech that loves putting E-tape on consoles, he'll put down like 3 rows, 1 for ch labeling, 1 for gate and comp assignments, 1 for doodling I think. We had a rented PM4K and this guy did his normal thing with E-tape and left it on there. I got a call the day after I returned the console with the owner bitching and screaming about that. Not only was it excessive, it removed paint from the console as they removed it. At that point I made a company wide decision that E-tape was not to be used on our consoles ever again.

There is a Art Supply store called Pearl right down the street from us, they sell artist tape for less than a roll of white E-tape, and it comes in different colors too. It will come off the console, even after a long tour, easily with no residue. There is no reason not to switch over.

I still use colored e-tape, or phase tape, for things like color coding cables. But definately not for console labeling.

YMMV
Mike
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Post by: Lee Patzius on February 27, 2005, 11:07:57 am
Hi Mike,

Actually, I have used artist tape for about a year, so I went digging for it in my drafting kit and of course, my artist tape is nonexistent.

So I'll go out to get some more to replenish my kit.

Honestly, the only reason for me not using artist tape is because of the abundant supply of the Scotch vinyl 35 laying around.

I admit white electrician's tape's primary use is NOT intended for labelling consoles. Yes it "works", but is NOT the best item to use for labelling jobs for a number of reasons... 1) Sharpies write good on it, but have a tendancy to fade away after a short while, and 2) Pencil don't write on it hardly at all, 3) Ink pens require repeated back and forth rubbing action for the ink to flow, increasing the chance at leaving indented surfaces, and it fades away too... So no... It's NOT the best for labelling jobs! But good enough for temporary usage, using sharpies, while (in my case) peeling off leaving zero residue.  

My original posted response is in regards to Andy L's claim that white e-tape is nearly as bad as duct tape in regards to tape goo, in which I vehemently disagree.

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Post by: Andy Peters on February 28, 2005, 11:32:42 am
Ran out of board tape.  Ooops.  However, we've been painting the house (a never-ending project) and I have a bunch of 1" painter's masking tape lying around.  I grabbed a roll, works fine, and of course doesn't leave a mess.

This probably marks me as "not pro" but what the hey.

-a
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Post by: Dave Nolan on March 01, 2005, 06:21:49 am
Masking tape - if left on a while can get goopy.

Andy - I sympathise with ya on the house thing... Why can't they just make houses that look after themselves (although I like my tiny ramshackle house, even though it is a huge money pit)

We use electricians tape (but we remove it every time)...

Shame on me, I guess.

Dave M.

Title: Re: stuff
Post by: Andy Peters on March 01, 2005, 04:27:34 pm
Scouse Dave wrote on Tue, 01 March 2005 04:21

Masking tape - if left on a while can get goopy.


True, but our custom is to remove it after zeroing the console.  Of course, we're anal about such things.

I'm quite fond of how they used to label the old console (Soundcraft 2S) at CBGB: every channel was labeled "fsck."  It was, as far as I could tell, permanent.

Quote:

Andy - I sympathise with ya on the house thing... Why can't they just make houses that look after themselves (although I like my tiny ramshackle house, even though it is a huge money pit)


They DO, but they cost a whole lot more!

-a (still has ten piles of ceramic tile in the living room)
Title: Re: stuff
Post by: Dave Nolan on March 02, 2005, 06:11:02 am
Andy Peters wrote on Tue, 01 March 2005 21:27

-a (still has ten piles of ceramic tile in the living room)


Spooky - I have been in the process tiling my kitchen for about a year now...

I agreed with my wife just last night that I would definately get it done before baby arrives at the end of July...

The only other things we need to get done are:
 Decorate the dining room.  
 Decorate the hallway,
 decorate our bedroom,
 Have a new bathroom fitted (just need to come up with