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Title: Church Install
Post by: bny24 on May 27, 2004, 10:51:34 am
Guys I need your help. I'm installing a new sound system for a small church in NY. I need a couple of ideas on the speakers that I can use to bolt to the wall. The speakers can't be too bulky because of the amount room that I have to place them. I would use these speakers as mains because the sanctuary is small, but I need something that can carry weight if the need arises. I was thinking of some eaw JFX 100's but that's to expensive for this church. Any suggestions? Here are some pics:
Title: Re: Church Install
Post by: Rob Warren on May 27, 2004, 01:44:50 pm
Can you give a more accurate dollar amount of what you can spend?  Also, I could not open the pics, can you tell me how many speakers you were wanting?

I no this is not what you were asking help with but,  is there a reason they have to be on the wall, can they hang from the ceiling or if small enough room what about on stands.  Just curious.

Title: Re: Church Install
Post by: bny24 on May 27, 2004, 02:40:52 pm
Approx $1000 for a pair.  I thought of a center cluster but that would take time and money and trying to convince them to hang something from the middle of the church. The wall seems like the most inexpensive and efficent way to to go. Sorry about the pic I 'll try again
Title: Re: Church Install
Post by: Joe Aquilato on May 27, 2004, 04:45:53 pm
Take a look at Community's CPL or STS series of speakers they may fit your needs.
Title: Re: Church Install
Post by: bny24 on May 27, 2004, 05:32:55 pm
Can the cpl 27 give me lows almost comparable to a 10' or even 12'like the ev sx100?
Title: Re: Church Install
Post by: Scott Hibbard on May 27, 2004, 09:27:57 pm
I would highly recommend the JFX 100's!  Crystal clear sound in a very compact package.  More expensive than EV's and other speakers mention so far in this reply but you get what you pay for...they are worth the money.

If the EAW's are truly out of the question, you might want to consider Yorkville C2890's (dual 8"/1") or the Yorkville C2285's (12"/1").  I've use them for perm installs and have never been disappointed.

However, we would need more info to make any further recommendations; such as church size, any acouticals challenges you know of and church layout.
Title: Re: Church Install
Post by: bny24 on May 28, 2004, 10:49:38 am
Here is a picture of the Sanctuary which will reflect the size I will sned this in 2 parts.
Title: Re: Church Install
Post by: bny24 on May 28, 2004, 10:50:15 am
Part 2
Title: Re: Church Install
Post by: bny24 on May 28, 2004, 11:07:44 am
By the way these pictures were taken with my samsung sch A610 cell phone
Title: Re: Church Install
Post by: Kevin Maxwell AKA TheMAXX on May 29, 2004, 12:27:24 pm
That looks like a small place. What’s with the fireplace on the house left wall, this looks like a house turned into a church.

What style music does this system need to reproduce? I would look at a pair of EV SX80 order them in white and get a set of Omni or Allen products mounts. Be sure to aim them down into the people. That room looks very reflective. If you need some bottom end (sub) look at the EV SB121 in the SX series of speakers. Get one of them and stick it up with those organ speakers. I assume that is what I am seeing in the picture in the front on house right. Then depending on how the system is setup, if you can I would make sure I don’t feed any vocal mics into the sub. This will minimize any low-end rumble on vocal pulpit and body mics.

Or you could just use a pair of SX300s (in white) I don’t care for the SX100s. But just one in the center would probably be more then enough for this place. I just think the size would be over kill for this place. And a pair of SX80s without a sub would be fine. This place looks very traditional not rocking at all. But looks can be deceiving. es/066D59279DD6D93886256B96005D4B0A
Title: Re: Church Install
Post by: Nathan on May 30, 2004, 08:55:42 am

We Do Some Churches From Time To Time.

We Use Behringer Desks, They Are Cheap And Have Good Mike Preamps
We Use D.A.S Audio Or Turbosound PA. D.A.S Is Cheap And Looks And Sounds Very Good

Mipro Mics Are Very Good For Their Budget

Title: Re: Church Install
Post by: JohnnyB on May 30, 2004, 08:57:58 am
Since sound systems are for "re-enforcement", what are you needing to re-enforce?  By the looks of the pictures, I'm not real sure you need much of a system in that room.  Just my $.02.
Title: Re: Church Install
Post by: bny24 on June 01, 2004, 10:19:14 am
I heard the  yorkville C2980 this weekend  they really sound good but are too bulky for the wall. I thought about the ev sb80's but I will need to install a subwoofer, the sx300 will be to big for the wall. I'm trying to look at the community cpl 27's to see if they can cut it. This church budget is so tight but yet they want so much.
Title: Re: Church Install
Post by: Scott Hibbard on June 02, 2004, 07:51:24 am
Yes the Yorkville C2890's are slightly larger than the Community CPL 27's but I would caution you about using the CPL 27's as a solution for this install because it's HF is a dome tweeter, it is not a HF compression horn.  The C2890 and it's smaller sibling the C860 have true compression drivers/horns.

I have used and continue to use dome tweeters for installation of speakers for background music/light-duty paging but would highly advise that you look into using a HF horn loaded speaker for foreground sound reinforcement.  You'll have better pattern control and greater coverage not to mention they will sound better and take far more abuse (not that you would purposely abuse any of your equipment - but you might not be the only person operating the system).

Best wishes
Title: Re: Church Install
Post by: Kevin Maxwell AKA TheMAXX on June 02, 2004, 11:50:38 am
Please explain exactly what the system is for and what is it that they want it to do that makes it so hard related to their budget. What are they trying to amplify and at what kind of levels? What style of music?
Title: Re: Church Install
Post by: Rob Warren on June 02, 2004, 02:00:47 pm
From counting pew rows in the picture, I'm guessing it's about 30 - 35 feet deep.  If that's the case, in my opinion the SX-80 size speakers will not throw far enough, you'll lose your high end due to the inverse square law.   You would have to put in a second row of them further down the room.  Which is good if you can afford the number of speakers but  I would recommend you get a DSP so you can tune them and time align the system if you use a delay system.  So a bigger speaker that will do the job may be simpler option.

Also you might check out JBL control series speakers like the Control 29's or 30's if you choose speakers this size.  

Title: Re: Church Install
Post by: soundman on June 09, 2004, 02:41:06 pm
We have a set of CPL27's installed in the upper level of our church.  They are installed in the corners and really produce some decent low's.  We also have a pair of CPL42's that are being used as monitors for our choir and the really kick.  My suggestion would be to look into the CPL42's for your church.