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Title: New d&b white range
Post by: Mark Sexton on February 05, 2011, 11:03:35 pm
The new releases from d&b look very interesting.

Has anybody seen these yet live and in person?
Title: Re: New d&b white range
Post by: Frederik Rosenkjær on February 06, 2011, 06:27:05 pm
I think it looks really weird. I can't see what niche they're going to fill with that. Are they cheap? They still use the same insanely expensive amps, so not really.

I'm waiting to hear more and learn about the rationale behind this, but I can't help but feel that they're tarnishing their very strong brand and reputation for only releasing very few new cabinets a year, so you had a feeling that they really took a lot of time to perfect each one. Then all of a sudden (or so it seems) they've made a whole bunch just like that....hmm...

Can't see what the new thing is supposed to be. Does the world need yet abother 8" + 1", 10"+1", 12"+1", 18" in a reflex chamber etc. etc.?
Title: Re: New d&b white range
Post by: Gareth Marsh on February 07, 2011, 12:07:15 am
I think it looks really weird. I can't see what niche they're going to fill with that. Are they cheap? They still use the same insanely expensive amps, so not really.

I'm waiting to hear more and learn about the rationale behind this, but I can't help but feel that they're tarnishing their very strong brand and reputation for only releasing very few new cabinets a year, so you had a feeling that they really took a lot of time to perfect each one. Then all of a sudden (or so it seems) they've made a whole bunch just like that....hmm...

Can't see what the new thing is supposed to be. Does the world need yet abother 8" + 1", 10"+1", 12"+1", 18" in a reflex chamber etc. etc.?


From what their website says, it seems as though this range is for the install market.

So not so much a 'new thing' as a diversification.


Gareth
Title: Re: New d&b white range
Post by: Tom Hester on February 09, 2011, 06:02:51 pm
I am interested to hear them. At first look, they will not keep up with the Q range. But on the website it clearly states that most of these boxes are designed for restaurants, etc. I do not think they are intended to be a rock and roll box. You WILL have to use the D6/D12, But the boxes will be cheaper than the Q1 line.
Title: Re: New d&b white range
Post by: Tim Talbot on February 09, 2011, 07:34:55 pm
The whole d&b works very well as 1 D12 will run any cabinet you could ever buy from d&b.... makes sense and avoids all this ''what amp is best on sub'' bullshit lol and be to fair a D12 is no more money than a Lab or crown amp ( maybe even cheaper )

It a turnket which works very very well - but it seems people ether love it or hate it :)

 
Title: Re: New d&b white range
Post by: Thomas Lamb on February 09, 2011, 08:19:59 pm
What 2400 watt crown are you spending 5 grand on? I have plenty in stock!!!
Title: Re: New d&b white range
Post by: Tim Talbot on February 09, 2011, 08:30:23 pm
D12's cost just over 3k new
Title: Re: New d&b white range
Post by: Tim Talbot on February 09, 2011, 08:33:09 pm
List maybe 5k but who ever pays the list price .... and when your buying a d&b system your be buying quite a few D12's :)
Title: Re: New d&b white range
Post by: Franz Francis on February 10, 2011, 07:30:26 am
It’s just amazing how they are able to do it with an amplifier rated at 1200 watts per channel driving four (4) ohm loads especially powering their concert boxes. Is it a case of they have mastered limiters and are able to get them more musical than any other pro manufacturer?

Franz
Title: Re: New d&b white range
Post by: Doug Fowler on February 10, 2011, 08:19:18 am
It’s just amazing how they are able to do it with an amplifier rated at 1200 watts per channel driving four (4) ohm loads especially powering their concert boxes. Is it a case of they have mastered limiters and are able to get them more musical than any other pro manufacturer?

Franz

d&b build highly efficient loudspeakers.  They have no need to play the 'wattage spec' game, it's a turnkey system and no one with a clue cares about the D12 amplifier specs. 


Title: Re: New d&b white range
Post by: Franz Francis on February 10, 2011, 10:29:29 am
Would you mind sharing any info concerning their efficiency and low wattage design? I know you toured with a Q rig some years back.

I don't know something weird seem to be going on with the website, for some reason I had lots of difficulty typing a reply, my cursor kept jumping to the message icon area.

Franz
Title: Re: New d&b white range
Post by: Doug Fowler on February 10, 2011, 10:45:45 am
Would you mind sharing any info concerning their efficiency and low wattage design? I know you toured with a Q rig some years back.

Franz

Franz -

I toured a big C4 rig in 2003.

Look at the C4 specs, understand how loud it gets (face peeling loud if you need it), look at the D12 specs and the ONLY conclusion one can draw is the loudspeakers are HIGHLY efficient.  The same can be said for the entire range, I imagine.

I think they have it right, personally.  Who cares about the amplifier output potential if the loudspeaker system is loud enough?

I don't know from where the transducers are sourced.  They may even build them in house, but I don't know.

Title: Re: New d&b white range
Post by: Tim Talbot on February 10, 2011, 08:43:05 pm
There transducers are mostly b&c and YES d&b work with the idea that very very efficient cabinets and low power amps (D6 & D12) is the way forward.

It is ;)
Title: Re: New d&b white range
Post by: Franz Francis on February 11, 2011, 07:56:17 am
Cool...

Franz
Title: Re: New d&b white range
Post by: Tom Hester on February 11, 2011, 12:04:31 pm
List maybe 5k but who ever pays the list price .... and when your buying a d&b system your be buying quite a few D12's :)

List is getting closer to $6k these days for a D12. You can get it for much cheaper, but not for $3k, thats more like a D6 :)
Title: Re: New d&b white range
Post by: Franz Francis on February 11, 2011, 03:10:04 pm
Not much is known about their organization structure compared to other audio companies, I wonder why?

La Acoustics - Dr Christian Hell
Danley Sound labs - Tom Danley
Nexo - Francois  Deffarges
Fulcrum Acoustics - Dave Gunnies


Franz
Title: Re: New d&b white range
Post by: Marcus Thiel on February 11, 2011, 04:09:02 pm
http://www.dbaudio.com/en/company/history/
Title: Re: New d&b white range
Post by: Thomas Lamb on February 11, 2011, 06:43:35 pm
List is getting closer to $6k these days for a D12. You can get it for much cheaper, but not for $3k, thats more like a D6 :)

I knew I wasn't crazy.
Title: Re: New d&b white range
Post by: Tim Talbot on February 12, 2011, 07:30:47 am
List is getting closer to $6k these days for a D12. You can get it for much cheaper, but not for $3k, thats more like a D6 :)

$6000 lol never never never...

You can buy them for £2200 used in the UK ( D12's )
Title: Re: New d&b white range
Post by: Tom Hester on February 12, 2011, 01:40:54 pm
We are not talking about used here...at least myself and im guessing Thomas were not. But I can promise you, a NEW D12 in the US is more then $3000 USD...maybe your currency exchange is off a tad :)
Title: Re: New d&b white range
Post by: Tim Talbot on February 12, 2011, 02:09:12 pm
In the UK (which is what i WAS on about) D12's cost just over £3k .... i don't know about the states but $6000+ seems a hell of alot ....
Title: Re: New d&b white range
Post by: Tim Talbot on February 12, 2011, 02:09:58 pm
How much is a Crown I-tech 8000 in the states ?
Title: Re: New d&b white range
Post by: Tom Hester on February 12, 2011, 06:13:14 pm
In the UK (which is what i WAS on about) D12's cost just over £3k .... i don't know about the states but $6000+ seems a hell of alot ....

What i meant was LIST price was climbing towards $6k, street price is much less, but still well above $3k USD... I am sure there is MUCH more d&b in the UK. It is still fairly "new" in the states
Title: Re: New d&b white range
Post by: Tim Talbot on February 13, 2011, 11:21:46 am
What i meant was LIST price was climbing towards $6k, street price is much less, but still well above $3k USD... I am sure there is MUCH more d&b in the UK. It is still fairly "new" in the states

Yep there's a lot around to be fair