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Title: Headphones for Drummer
Post by: Silas Ng on December 29, 2010, 10:43:47 pm
So we currently use wedge mons for everyone, but I want to get the drummer to use headphones so hopefully they play quieter and also hear everyone else better.

I was thinking of just using an output from our matrix (A&H Gl2400), but I can't seem to find the best unit to interface to the headphones on stage. I've looked at headphone amps but they seem to take an unbalanced line into it whereas my matrix line out is balanced. What else can I use in terms of a headphone amp/volume so the drummer can control the volume and hopefully there's some kind of limiter on it?

Would I have to get something like a PSM200 to make it work? Or use a small mixer on the other end?

Thanks! I'm sure there's a simple answer...  Smile
Title: Re: Headphones for Drummer
Post by: Christy L Manoppo (okky) on December 30, 2010, 01:16:14 am
u need an xlr or balanced input right?

try check this..

http://www.rolls.com/product.php?pid=PM50s
Title: Re: Headphones for Drummer
Post by: Kent Thompson on December 30, 2010, 10:13:28 am
presonus hp4 has balanced input. It is 1/4 though so an xlr to balance 1/4 cable/adapter will be needed.
Title: Re: Headphones for Drummer
Post by: Silas Ng on December 30, 2010, 02:17:11 pm
Great. Thanks! You guys are the best.
Title: Re: Headphones for Drummer
Post by: Silas Ng on December 30, 2010, 02:37:25 pm
So the rolls is a xlr mic level input. That wouldn't work with my line out from the matrix on the board, right?

I like the Presonus, but only need one output. Hmm.

The matrix out is a 1/4" that gets converted to an xlr on stage.
Title: Re: Headphones for Drummer
Post by: Tom Young on December 30, 2010, 04:35:47 pm
If you are faced with the need to feed a line level signal into a mic input, a resistive pad will solve the problem.

You may be able to find one on the internet. 30dB (of attenuation, ballpark) should do the trick. You can also roll your own:

http://www.uneeda-audio.com/pads/


Title: Re: Headphones for Drummer
Post by: Andrew Cupples on December 30, 2010, 05:28:17 pm
How about an ART CLeanbox or something like it, to convert balanced to unbalanced, and then using a normal headphone amp? Would that work?

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=245- 868

Andrew
Title: Re: Headphones for Drummer
Post by: Sidney.Pilien on December 31, 2010, 11:39:52 pm
Silas Ng wrote on Thu, 30 December 2010 14:37

So the rolls is a xlr mic level input. That wouldn't work with my line out from the matrix on the board, right?

I like the Presonus, but only need one output. Hmm.

The matrix out is a 1/4" that gets converted to an xlr on stage.


Yes, the Rolls would work.  Balanced matrix out 1/4 " TRS to balanced XLR Rolls in.




Title: Re: Headphones for Drummer
Post by: Tim Padrick on January 05, 2011, 09:43:08 pm
You want something with a protective limiter, such as:

http://www.rockonaudio.com/package.php

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Shure-P4HW-Hard wired-Bodypack-for-PSM-400-Systems?sku=243606

Title: Re: Headphones for Drummer
Post by: Silas Ng on January 07, 2011, 11:18:17 am
Thanks.

For headphones, I know there's in-ear ones. Do drummers (we have 3) ever share headphones? I'm thinking of getting over the ear headphones cause they're cheaper. Not really sure where to look though, should any "studio" headphones work like the Audio Technica ATH-22?
Title: Re: Headphones for Drummer
Post by: Dick Rees on January 07, 2011, 12:17:38 pm
Silas....

There is no cheap solution when it comes to headphones or IEM's.  Repeat after me:

"There is no cheap solution."

By the time you experiment with various "cheap" solutions you will have spent just as much money as one of the proper solutions  and endured a lot of frustration on the way.

Here is a link to the 'phones I use:

http://www.gk-music.com/ultraphones.htm

If you click on the "home" tab on Gordy's site you'll get an idea of who uses these and why.

The salient point here is ISOLATION. The material in the cans will be severely compromised by any leakage from the stage sound and just turning it up will destroy the users ears.

Whether you use isolation headphones or IEM's, your success will depend on the mix.  This gets into the area of art as do most critical technical matters.  The usual approach is a stereo mix with some "ambient" sound mixed in so it will have a more natural sound.  But none of this works as well as it should without ISOLATION.

Did I mention isolation?????  
Title: Re: Headphones for Drummer
Post by: Timothy C. Lee on January 18, 2011, 07:28:28 pm
I would recommend the vic firth headphones, or the metrophone type.  Which are basically rifle/gun ear protection with speakers inside.  The regular open-ear type headphones from all the manufactuers will have so much external sound leakage that the drummer will have to turn the headphones up so loud just to hear them.  I think this would be something that each drummer should invest in and it is really not the churches responsibility.

Tim
Title: Re: Headphones for Drummer
Post by: Tim Padrick on January 20, 2011, 02:34:28 am
The Extreme Headphones EX29 also have very high isolation.  They sound quite good - a little polite in the highs perhaps, but I prefer that to the usual steely top end.
Title: Re: Headphones for Drummer
Post by: Lee Buckalew on January 22, 2011, 11:34:42 am
I think that the EX25 sounds better than the EX29 (although both sound good).  Both exceed the sound quality of the Sony 7506's that have become a low cost standard.  Also, The EX25's cost about $10.00 less per pair than the Sony's normal street price.  Also, the Extreme Isolation products are assembled in the U.S. (in St. Louis actually) and shortly will be manufactured here again as well.

His,
Lee Buckalew
Pro Sound Advice, Inc.
Title: Re: Headphones for Drummer
Post by: Tim Padrick on January 29, 2011, 10:26:54 pm
Lee Buckalew wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 10:34

I think that the EX25 sounds better than the EX29 (although both sound good).  Both exceed the sound quality of the Sony 7506's that have become a low cost standard.  Also, The EX25's cost about $10.00 less per pair than the Sony's normal street price.  Also, the Extreme Isolation products are assembled in the U.S. (in St. Louis actually) and shortly will be manufactured here again as well.

His,
Lee Buckalew
Pro Sound Advice, Inc.


Do you know which versions you've heard?  I don't know about the 25, but there have been three versions of the 29.  I upgraded my V2 to V3, and the sound is much better.
Title: Re: Headphones for Drummer
Post by: Lee Buckalew on January 30, 2011, 03:43:21 pm
I heard the most current version of each.  Had not heard them since the very first model was introduced.  Then the sound quality was not great but the isolation was really good.
Now, the current models have very good sound quality and isolation.  I'd put the sound quality above the Sony 7506 in the EX25 and on a par or slightly better with the EX29.
I preferred the EX25's but...

His,
Lee Buckalew
Pro Sound Advice, Inc.
Title: Re: Headphones for Drummer
Post by: Tim Padrick on February 08, 2011, 01:19:32 am
Lee Buckalew wrote on Sun, 30 January 2011 14:43

I heard the most current version of each.  Had not heard them since the very first model was introduced.  Then the sound quality was not great but the isolation was really good.
Now, the current models have very good sound quality and isolation.  I'd put the sound quality above the Sony 7506 in the EX25 and on a par or slightly better with the EX29.
I preferred the EX25's but...

His,
Lee Buckalew
Pro Sound Advice, Inc.


What is it about the sound of the 25s that you prefer?  By chance have you heard the M-Audio IE10 to be able to make a comparison?  (I have 29s and 10s, and much prefer the 10s - more extended top, less "artificial" sounding in the upper mids and lower highs.)
Title: Re: Headphones for Drummer
Post by: Lee Buckalew on February 08, 2011, 07:12:03 pm
The EX25's, to me, sounded more accurate.  My recording partner also agreed.  We we had Extreme Isolation in to do a presentation for the St. Louis AES chapter meeting.  There were many who preferred the sonic quality of the EX25's.  There may be applications where the extra noise cancellation would win out for the EX29.  
That said, I don't think the EX29's sounded bad.

His,
Lee Buckalew
Pro Sound Advice, Inc.