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Title: M7CL Challenges
Post by: chase carter on November 17, 2010, 04:11:19 pm
We just had an M7 installed at FOH as an all in one board. The challenge I'm having is my monitor mixes and anything routed to the subs is coming through the house center channel. I'm new to this console and can't figure out the correction. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Title: Re: M7CL Challenges
Post by: Chris Penny on November 17, 2010, 04:45:29 pm
While I am not that familiar with the M7CL my guess is you have your Mix Sends routed to your mono/center channel. You need to select the mix channels and change this.
Title: Re: M7CL Challenges
Post by: Kent Thompson on November 18, 2010, 02:20:45 am
Your gonna have to tell us a little more about how system is configured.

Have you tried looking at your patches in the patch editor on your computer? Probably what has happened is your monitor and sub outputs are also patched to the center/mono channel. Some times things are easier to see in the computer editor program.

I am assuming a LRC system with aux subs?
Title: Re: M7CL Routing Challenges
Post by: Mac Kerr on November 18, 2010, 12:16:57 pm
Kent Thompson wrote on Thu, 18 November 2010 02:20

Your gonna have to tell us a little more about how system is configured.

Have you tried looking at your patches in the patch editor on your computer? Probably what has happened is your monitor and sub outputs are also patched to the center/mono channel. Some times things are easier to see in the computer editor program.

I am assuming a LRC system with aux subs?


If more than 1 mix is coming out of the mono channel it cannot be a patch error. Only 1 send can be patched to any given output port.

It could very easily be a routing issue either in the console (output ports from matrix, multiple mixes in matrix) or in a downstream system controller/speaker processor.

More detail on the exact set up is needed.

Mac
Title: Re: M7CL Challenges
Post by: Sidney.Pilien on November 18, 2010, 08:27:58 pm
Everything is set up in default and needs to be configured. Your omni outputs (if it's called that)  has to be assigned from an  aux  and the auxes needs to be assigned from the correct source. Default is on stereo I'm guessing. I have an O1v96 so I don't know what the patching schemes are. Certain auxes are effects at default and the remainder are assignable to omni outs. You need to hook up with a user at this or other sites to get specific patch instructions.
Title: Re: M7CL Challenges
Post by: Mac Kerr on November 18, 2010, 08:29:56 pm
Sidney Pilien wrote on Thu, 18 November 2010 20:27

Everything is set up in default and needs to be configured. Your omni outputs (if it's called that)  has to be assigned from an  aux  and the auxes needs to be assigned from the correct source. Default is on stereo I'm guessing. I have an O1v96 so I don't know what the patching schemes are. Certain auxes are effects at default and the remainder are assignable to omni outs. You need to hook up with a user at this or other sites to get specific patch instructions.


Or, RTFM.

Mac
Title: Re: M7CL Challenges
Post by: Sidney.Pilien on November 18, 2010, 08:33:15 pm
Mac Kerr wrote on Thu, 18 November 2010 20:29

Sidney Pilien wrote on Thu, 18 November 2010 20:27

Everything is set up in default and needs to be configured. Your omni outputs (if it's called that)  has to be assigned from an  aux  and the auxes needs to be assigned from the correct source. Default is on stereo I'm guessing. I have an O1v96 so I don't know what the patching schemes are. Certain auxes are effects at default and the remainder are assignable to omni outs. You need to hook up with a user at this or other sites to get specific patch instructions.


Or, RTFM.

Mac

manual sucks okay?
Title: Re: M7CL Challenges
Post by: Mac Kerr on November 18, 2010, 08:41:51 pm
Sidney Pilien wrote on Thu, 18 November 2010 20:33

Mac Kerr wrote on Thu, 18 November 2010 20:29

Sidney Pilien wrote on Thu, 18 November 2010 20:27

Everything is set up in default and needs to be configured. Your omni outputs (if it's called that)  has to be assigned from an  aux  and the auxes needs to be assigned from the correct source. Default is on stereo I'm guessing. I have an O1v96 so I don't know what the patching schemes are. Certain auxes are effects at default and the remainder are assignable to omni outs. You need to hook up with a user at this or other sites to get specific patch instructions.


Or, RTFM.

Mac

manual sucks okay?


It's covered everything I needed to look up in it. I have used it many times to point out to others who say they have read it where to find what they are looking for. You have to actually read it for it to be effective.

Mac
Title: Re: M7CL Challenges
Post by: Sidney.Pilien on November 19, 2010, 12:32:41 am
Mac Kerr wrote on Thu, 18 November 2010 20:41

Sidney Pilien wrote on Thu, 18 November 2010 20:33

Mac Kerr wrote on Thu, 18 November 2010 20:29

Sidney Pilien wrote on Thu, 18 November 2010 20:27

Everything is set up in default and needs to be configured. Your omni outputs (if it's called that)  has to be assigned from an  aux  and the auxes needs to be assigned from the correct source. Default is on stereo I'm guessing. I have an O1v96 so I don't know what the patching schemes are. Certain auxes are effects at default and the remainder are assignable to omni outs. You need to hook up with a user at this or other sites to get specific patch instructions.


Or, RTFM.

Mac

manual sucks okay?


It's covered everything I needed to look up in it. I have used it many times to point out to others who say they have read it where to find what they are looking for. You have to actually read it for it to be effective.

Mac


If the OP is new to digital mixing, especially on an m7, understanding signal flow, routing scheme set up, navigating, THE MANUAL,etc. can be very daunting and the manual will help but very little. Just read the centerlogic section and it's easy to tell one to RTFM but understanding it and giving advice is another.  I went from an o1v to the o1v96v2 and the routing schemes and configs are very different and the manual didn't help so I signed up to an O1v users group at Yahoo. They are a big help, especially on the monitor set up. Not sure if they have one for m7.

I don't see auxes for omni's so the configs are very different.

I would give advice if I understood the complexity of the m7 but only an experienced user or a user group is best.

Try You Tube and PM a user there.






Title: Re: M7CL Challenges
Post by: Arnold B. Krueger on November 19, 2010, 11:14:38 am
Sidney Pilien wrote on Fri, 19 November 2010 01:33


manual sucks okay?


IMO, point well taken. The Yammie digital console manuals that I've reviewed desribe what every siwtch and knob does in a narrow sense, but no way tell you the methods and strategies for accomplishing non-trivial tasks.
Title: Re: M7CL Challenges
Post by: Mac Kerr on November 19, 2010, 01:11:56 pm
Arnold B. Krueger wrote on Fri, 19 November 2010 11:14

Sidney Pilien wrote on Fri, 19 November 2010 01:33


manual sucks okay?


IMO, point well taken. The Yammie digital console manuals that I've reviewed desribe what every siwtch and knob does in a narrow sense, but no way tell you the methods and strategies for accomplishing non-trivial tasks.



Understanding signal flow, and basic routing and mixing skills are not unique to digital mixers. If reading the manual to learn how individual functions work on any console, whether it is digital or analog, doesn't help you operate the console, you need to learn a lot more about the basics of sound and sound equipment before try operating any mixing console.

The console operator's manual is not a guide to sound system design and operation, it is a guide to the operation of the console.

Mac
Title: Re: M7CL Challenges
Post by: Scott Helmke (Scodiddly) on November 19, 2010, 04:37:54 pm
Chris Penny wrote on Wed, 17 November 2010 15:45

While I am not that familiar with the M7CL my guess is you have your Mix Sends routed to your mono/center channel. You need to select the mix channels and change this.


I'll put my money on this one.  The mixes 1-16 have the ability to be assigned to feed the stereo and/or center-mono buses.  Select one of your monitor channels and look at the channel (in this case output) screen - by the pan knob you'll have buttons for ST and M.  Make sure they're turned off.
Title: Re: M7CL Challenges
Post by: Arnold B. Krueger on November 20, 2010, 07:19:07 am
Mac Kerr wrote on Fri, 19 November 2010 18:11

Arnold B. Krueger wrote on Fri, 19 November 2010 11:14

Sidney Pilien wrote on Fri, 19 November 2010 01:33


manual sucks okay?


IMO, point well taken. The Yammie digital console manuals that I've reviewed desribe what every siwtch and knob does in a narrow sense, but no way tell you the methods and strategies for accomplishing non-trivial tasks.



Understanding signal flow, and basic routing and mixing skills are not unique to digital mixers.



I'd like to see someone say with a straight face that there are absolutely no aspects of signal routing on a digital mixer that are unique to digital mixers as compared to similar price point (i.e. competitive) analog mixers.

One problem with many manuals is that they are written by experts for experts. If you're an expert, you probably don't need a manual!

Title: Re: M7CL Challenges
Post by: Sidney.Pilien on November 20, 2010, 01:31:36 pm
Arnold B. Krueger wrote on Sat, 20 November 2010 07:19

Mac Kerr wrote on Fri, 19 November 2010 18:11

Arnold B. Krueger wrote on Fri, 19 November 2010 11:14

Sidney Pilien wrote on Fri, 19 November 2010 01:33


manual sucks okay?


IMO, point well taken. The Yammie digital console manuals that I've reviewed desribe what every siwtch and knob does in a narrow sense, but no way tell you the methods and strategies for accomplishing non-trivial tasks.



Understanding signal flow, and basic routing and mixing skills are not unique to digital mixers.



I'd like to see someone say with a straight face that there are absolutely no aspects of signal routing on a digital mixer that are unique to digital mixers as compared to similar price point (i.e. competitive) analog mixers.

One problem with many manuals is that they are written by experts for experts. If you're an expert, you probably don't need a manual!




Then read the manual and answer the OP's question.
Title: Re: M7CL Challenges
Post by: Arnold B. Krueger on November 22, 2010, 10:22:22 am
Sidney Pilien wrote on Sat, 20 November 2010 18:31

Arnold B. Krueger wrote on Sat, 20 November 2010 07:19

Mac Kerr wrote on Fri, 19 November 2010 18:11

Arnold B. Krueger wrote on Fri, 19 November 2010 11:14

Sidney Pilien wrote on Fri, 19 November 2010 01:33


manual sucks okay?


IMO, point well taken. The Yammie digital console manuals that I've reviewed desribe what every siwtch and knob does in a narrow sense, but no way tell you the methods and strategies for accomplishing non-trivial tasks.



Understanding signal flow, and basic routing and mixing skills are not unique to digital mixers.



I'd like to see someone say with a straight face that there are absolutely no aspects of signal routing on a digital mixer that are unique to digital mixers as compared to similar price point (i.e. competitive) analog mixers.

One problem with many manuals is that they are written by experts for experts. If you're an expert, you probably don't need a manual!




Then read the manual and answer the OP's question.



I must not be communicating well. I predict that non-experts who read the manual will find the OPs question to be very difficult or impossible.

Reading between the lines, the M7CL may have a LCR mode that defaults to usurping one or more of the omni outs, or whatever the M7CL has that is like them.
Title: Re: M7CL Challenges
Post by: Kent Thompson on November 22, 2010, 03:49:14 pm
But, reading the manual certainly wouldn't hurt...

The main question I have is did you not receive a phone number for support from the Dealer/installer? Did they not give you a Yamaha number you could call for support?

I know I have 2 personal cell phone numbers of Allen & Heath reps.

Certainly the people you spent 20kish with for this gave you a number to call if you had questions.