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Title: Small Sound Board Opinions?
Post by: David Hoover on April 19, 2011, 01:57:41 pm

      At the church where I work, we have a need for a small console.  I don't have much experience with small analogue consoles and would like your opinions.  We had a MG166cx that someone dropped and broke the board in two internally, so, it's useless now.  It met our needs pretty well though.

Normally, this board is used for small events with acoustic guitar, percussion, and some 58's.  We run it with some JBL EON powered speakers.  It is mostly going to be used by a youth group, so, the board will need to be durable.  The board would need 8-10 mic inputs, on board effects, and any other on-board stuff would only be a plus.  If you can, describe to me which console you would choose for this situation, what you like about it, and a rough ballpark price.
Title: Re: Small Sound Board Opinions?
Post by: Pat Latimer on April 19, 2011, 02:02:44 pm

      At the church where I work, we have a need for a small console.  I don't have much experience with small analogue consoles and would like your opinions.  We had a MG166cx that someone dropped and broke the board in two internally, so, it's useless now.  It met our needs pretty well though.

Normally, this board is used for small events with acoustic guitar, percussion, and some 58's.  We run it with some JBL EON powered speakers.  It is mostly going to be used by a youth group, so, the board will need to be durable.  The board would need 8-10 mic inputs, on board effects, and any other on-board stuff would only be a plus.  If you can, describe to me which console you would choose for this situation, what you like about it, and a rough ballpark price.

This probably belongs in the Lounge but an Allen & Heath MixWiz would work just fine for your needs. Also has built in FX.

http://www.allen-heath.co.uk/mixwizard/wz3162

Check it out.

Pat

Title: Re: Small Sound Board Opinions?
Post by: info@travelingmonkeysound.com on April 19, 2011, 03:50:08 pm
I don't mind the mix wiz... and dual sweepable mids is a big deal when your looking at small boards that presumably will double as monitors. But if you've got kids using it, you'll find that the section with the xlr's wiggles loose over time.



My vote is the crest X 18R. I used this with a GB for a couple years and it sounded really nice. It's construction is very solid plus it's got two swept mids.  A bit pricier than the mix wiz ($2500ish), but not if the mix wiz breaks in half.


 
Title: Re: Small Sound Board Opinions?
Post by: Dan Richardson on April 19, 2011, 06:53:26 pm
      At the church where I work, we have a need for a small console.  I don't have much experience with small analogue consoles and would like your opinions.  We had a MG166cx that someone dropped and broke the board in two internally, so, it's useless now.  It met our needs pretty well though.

The board you're replacing costs $400 and has 10 mic inputs.
I don't guess you're about to spend a grand or two on an A&H or a Crest.

Looks like a useful little board, though, and
your people already know how to operate it.
I'd suggest you buy another and ask them not to drop it.
Title: Re: Small Sound Board Opinions?
Post by: Robert Weston on April 19, 2011, 07:40:02 pm
For something basic and low cost, the Yamaha MG series are good.  Another option may be the Mackie line.  I personally don't use Mackie, but others whom I know say thay are pretty good for the price. 
Title: Re: Small Sound Board Opinions?
Post by: Mark Gensman on April 20, 2011, 01:40:49 am
Buy another Yamaha MG 166. Hard to beat the quality for the price and you already know how to use it.
Title: Re: Small Sound Board Opinions?
Post by: Vince Gibbs on April 20, 2011, 05:52:24 am
Buy another Yamaha MG 166. Hard to beat the quality for the price and you already know how to use it.

I completely agree with that.  And with that said, I have a spare Yamaha MG166cx in the original box in "like new" condition for sale.  I know this is my very first post on this forum, but it's only because I saw this thread and figured I could help you so I registered.

You can check my ebay feedback and see I have a 100% feedback rating.  I've been a member there about 10 years.  I will also give you my phone number and discuss this with you if you want.  I'll make you a much better deal on it than any music store.

I hope I am not breaking any forum rules here.  If so, moderators please delete my post and I apologize in advance.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Small Sound Board Opinions?
Post by: Donnie Evans on April 20, 2011, 09:50:59 am
I own both the MixWiz and the Yamaha MG166cx-usb and to me the MixWiz is my first choice hands down.  More aux's, more mic pre's, better sounding board.  And both of mine are for sale... I love both boards and would keep them but I have a 32 channel GL2400 for my large needs and a 01v96 for my small format mixer now so these two need new homes.

http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,1485.0.html
Title: Re: Small Sound Board Opinions?
Post by: Justin Bartlett on April 20, 2011, 11:53:49 pm
For something basic and low cost, the Yamaha MG series are good.  Another option may be the Mackie line.  I personally don't use Mackie, but others whom I know say thay are pretty good for the price.

I've used the Yamaha MG stuff and a variety of Mackie stuff.  I'd say the MG series in on par with Mackie's CFX line or *maybe* their VLZ stuff.  Decent for the money; the MG line is very inexpensive.  Mackie's Onyx line is significantly superior to Yamaha's MG line, in my experience.
Title: Re: Small Sound Board Opinions?
Post by: David Hoover on April 21, 2011, 08:03:36 am
      At the church where I work, we have a need for a small console.  I don't have much experience with small analogue consoles and would like your opinions.  We had a MG166cx that someone dropped and broke the board in two internally, so, it's useless now.  It met our needs pretty well though.

The board you're replacing costs $400 and has 10 mic inputs.
I don't guess you're about to spend a grand or two on an A&H or a Crest.

Looks like a useful little board, though, and
your people already know how to operate it.
I'd suggest you buy another and ask them not to drop it.

Sorry it took so long to get back.  I actually specked out two QSC KW153's as well as an 01V96 after talking with leadership.  It looks like this system is going to be used quite a bit because the youth has grown and small events have increased in number.  Also, it turns out we need a set of speakers because our other one's are in use.  So, it's going to benefit us to start out with something a little beefier.  That being said, do you think it would be worth it to get an 01V96, and do you guys have any in perfect working condition for sale?  I will at least inquire about it with the leadership because it would save lots of money.  I may lean toward digital after talking with them...and I personally own an old O1V and it sounds good and it's easy to use.

It seems that the general consensus is that the little Yamaha analogue board is actually really good!  It was pretty easy for the youth or I to get a good sound from it.  The one-knob compressors are neat, too and sound pretty good.  From what I gather, it seems if they don't allow the purchase of the 01V96, then we can just get the same board again...with a nice case to keep it from breaking.
Title: Re: Small Sound Board Opinions?
Post by: Geoff Doane on April 21, 2011, 08:50:49 am
It seems that the general consensus is that the little Yamaha analogue board is actually really good!  It was pretty easy for the youth or I to get a good sound from it.  The one-knob compressors are neat, too and sound pretty good.  From what I gather, it seems if they don't allow the purchase of the 01V96, then we can just get the same board again...with a nice case to keep it from breaking.

The 01V96 would have been my suggestion, except that it would have gone considerably over your stated $1000 budget.  I also have an original 01V for small jobs, and it handles anything that doesn't exceed the channel count with ease.

Used 01V96s seem to be a rare commodity, and deals on them almost nonexistent.  It does say something about the utility of those consoles though.  Used 01Vs may be easier to find, and will cost a lot less.

Digital consoles frequently get a bad rap here when the intended users are not experienced.  I would disagree with that.  We've had an original 01V working in a broadcast booth for two years now (not ideal, but it was available).  Most, if not all, users have virtually no technical skills.  They move the faders to get the desired result, and leave the other settings alone.  If someone did manage to reconfigure things (it hasn't happened yet), it's a simple matter to recall the standard scene and you're back in the game.

GTD
Title: Re: Small Sound Board Opinions?
Post by: Donnie Evans on April 21, 2011, 08:52:02 am
It took me forever to find what I considered a "deal" on a used 01v96.  People just don't get rid of them.  For the cost of most used units I've seen, it would make more sense to go ahead and spend a couple hundred extra and buy one new.  It's definitely a great board (although you will need an external pre-amp if you run short on inputs). 
Title: Re: Small Sound Board Opinions?
Post by: Bob Leonard on April 21, 2011, 10:52:25 pm
It took me forever to find what I considered a "deal" on a used 01v96.  People just don't get rid of them.  For the cost of most used units I've seen, it would make more sense to go ahead and spend a couple hundred extra and buy one new.  It's definitely a great board (although you will need an external pre-amp if you run short on inputs).

Before all the lemmings jump off the cliff here you should understand the O1V was actually designed as a recording interface vs. a live sound board. If your intent is to have, or if there are other people who will be using the board then you should consider that fact. The O1V and it's layers may not be the best bet for your needs. I'm not a fan of either the O1v or Presonus boards, but for about the same money I would think the Presonus board would be a prime consideration. It's easier to use, has almost as many features, and has a much more analog (familiar) look and feel to it. That all equates to a much smaller learning curve.
Title: Re: Small Sound Board Opinions?
Post by: Donnie Evans on April 22, 2011, 10:31:37 am

Before all the lemmings jump off the cliff here you should understand the O1V was actually designed as a recording interface vs. a live sound board. If your intent is to have, or if there are other people who will be using the board then you should consider that fact. The O1V and it's layers may not be the best bet for your needs. I'm not a fan of either the O1v or Presonus boards, but for about the same money I would think the Presonus board would be a prime consideration. It's easier to use, has almost as many features, and has a much more analog (familiar) look and feel to it. That all equates to a much smaller learning curve.

Great points, Bob.  Very true that an analog board will be much simpler and probably save you many headaches if there could be several different sets of hands behind the console at any give time.  That said, my MixWiz and MG166CX are still for sale.   ;D
Title: Re: Small Sound Board Opinions?
Post by: Iain.Macdonald on April 22, 2011, 12:23:55 pm
It took me forever to find what I considered a "deal" on a used 01v96.  People just don't get rid of them.  For the cost of most used units I've seen, it would make more sense to go ahead and spend a couple hundred extra and buy one new.  It's definitely a great board (although you will need an external pre-amp if you run short on inputs).

Before all the lemmings jump off the cliff here you should understand the O1V was actually designed as a recording interface vs. a live sound board. If your intent is to have, or if there are other people who will be using the board then you should consider that fact. The O1V and it's layers may not be the best bet for your needs. I'm not a fan of either the O1v or Presonus boards, but for about the same money I would think the Presonus board would be a prime consideration. It's easier to use, has almost as many features, and has a much more analog (familiar) look and feel to it. That all equates to a much smaller learning curve.

Bob's reply is the voice of reason!

Is the 01v what you desire, or what you really need? Has the original requirement changed, from usage with a small guitar and percussion group, to something bigger? If not, you would be better sticking with a good analogue board. Spend the remaining money on decent microphones. Find somewhere that will allow you to try before you buy.

Iain.
Title: Re: Small Sound Board Opinions?
Post by: Doug Maye on April 23, 2011, 10:10:19 am
01V for kids??? Get another MG series board and a good case. Much cheaper.
Title: Re: Small Sound Board Opinions?
Post by: Tim Padrick on April 23, 2011, 10:17:40 pm
You can get a used old-model MixWiz for as low as $400, or a used III for as low as $700.  That's what I'd buy if I did not have $1500 or more for a SL16 or an O1V95.  (Or maybe an O1V if the users were able to operate it.)
Title: Re: Small Sound Board Opinions?
Post by: Paul Dershem on April 24, 2011, 04:51:50 pm
You can get a used old-model MixWiz for as low as $400, or a used III for as low as $700.  That's what I'd buy if I did not have $1500 or more for a SL16 or an O1V95.  (Or maybe an O1V if the users were able to operate it.)

+1  Years ago, I had one of the Yamaha mixers, but outgrew it rather quickly. The on-board compression and effects were convenient, but the basic sound was lacking, and there weren't enough XLR inputs. For my money, at the time, a used Mixwiz was the best bang for the buck, and I've been very happy with it. The pre-amps are much better than the Yamaha's, and the analog interface makes the basic features easy to learn. If I were the only person running the board, a digital model may have won me over, but I find most analog boards more idiot-proof.