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Title: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Kevin Drysdale on August 21, 2007, 11:22:57 am
I am working on planning a new sound booth as I know we will be rebuilding it within the next 6 months.  I am allowed and willing to post pictures of what we currently have for a sound booth - will take pictures tonight at practice.  Is there anyone else out there willing to post pictures of their sound booth with a few comments about what you like/don't like, church size, and any other details you would like to share about it?  This is done LOTS in studio forums, but hasn't seemed to happen here yet.  So...if you are willing - post away. Smile  Thanks.

Kevin
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Aaron McQueen on August 21, 2007, 12:56:50 pm
Just posted these in another thread.

http://www.laurelfirstassembly.org/media/sb1.jpg
http://www.laurelfirstassembly.org/media/sb2.jpg
http://www.laurelfirstassembly.org/media/sb3.jpg
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Ira White on August 21, 2007, 01:28:34 pm
This was an earlier install using the former Roland VM7200 digital modular console, but the church utilized a booth design I often suggest for a media-rack-audio configuration. The center rack allows access to related equipment from both sides, and can be built higher for more space and easy viewing of rackmounted components like CD and video players. Counters can also be extended as needed to provide more space.

There are large access openings at the rear of the rack walls (just out of sight under the counter) large enough to see and access rear connections of rack equipment.

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Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Kevin Drysdale on August 21, 2007, 10:49:13 pm
Our booth is TINY!  It's getting cramped and I can't wait for our upgrades. Smile  The computer is brand new and is used for EasyWorship and we'll be using it to multitrack record in the near future as well.  We are using the powered mixer ONLY for the amps in it - which will be changing too (hopefully).  I am working on getting a set of subs and good quality mains and have everything powered to get amps out of the booth.  I would love to have some drawers to store a few tools (cable tester, soldering tools, screwdriver, etc), the blank CD's, install disks, etc.  I'd also like to have an area (maybe under the desk) to hang a few extra mic and instrument cables for those nasty problem days. Smile  The ledge needs to go - EVERYTHING gets put up there! Smile  I'm sure you've figured it out - I run the sound and video all at once and by myself because there is no room for a second person.  The booth was built without considering growth and we're paying for it now. Smile  Anyway...this is my current booth.  I will be more than happy to show what we will have in the future once it is finished.

Kevin

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Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Kelsen Depp on August 22, 2007, 11:47:18 am
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The wooden tops over each rack area, including the counter above the patch bay, are removable for easy access to wire chases and the back of the gear.  The back right corner houses the entrance to all the conduit runs.  

All the extra rack space, prior to the digital console, was great and filled with outboard gear.  Now it should be used to house an espresso machine... Very Happy

The patch bay should never have been placed near the floor.  Too many knees have bumped it during services.  If they haven't been cleaned in a while and get bumped, it makes a huge crackle.  

The top of the walls around the booth should have been built on a slant, as they always accumulate bibles and drinks.

The space is nice, but when filled with people (tech director, techs, the musician who thinks he knows best, etc.) it gets hard to move around behind people.  I really wish there was seating in the back for training multiple people at once during rehearsals or classes.

Anyway, sorry for taking up so much space on the thread.
Kelsen
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: MIKE HARPER on August 23, 2007, 12:09:37 pm
Here are some screen shots of our floor plan for our construction.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/4soundman/church%20construction/floorplan2copy.jpg

origional plan, I don't like the way the new booth is not facing directly at the stage.



http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/4soundman/church%20construction/floorplan1copy.jpg

current plan, the only thing I don't like is the ceiling above the back part of the booth since that was originally going to be a hallway and the ceiling is considerably shorter.  However with the Audio on the far left corner, I will not be under the lower ceiling.  I tried to get the ceiling of the sanctuary to continue it's slope above the booth, but the bid for the roof had already been accepted and the roof above that area is "flat".

The little square to the right of the new sound booth is the existing sound booth, it will be used for the youth when construction is complete.

Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: MIKE HARPER on August 23, 2007, 12:16:28 pm
Here are some actual pictures.

Existing booth

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/4soundman/soundbooth/soundbooth004-1.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/4soundman/soundbooth/soundbooth006-1.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/4soundman/soundbooth/soundbooth008-1.jpg


New booth under construction

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/4soundman/soundbooth/soundbooth009-1.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/4soundman/soundbooth/soundbooth011-1.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/4soundman/soundbooth/soundbooth012-1.jpg

Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Tom Young on August 23, 2007, 03:26:54 pm
This looks like a well-thought-out position and design.

You can exit the booth without distracting any congregants and get to the stage/platform area via the hallway.

You're slightly elevated.

You have a "technical" floor to run cables through. Don't allow them to cover it with carpet without access panels.

You have plenty of room but without robbing good seats.

The only potential "gotcha" I can see is that you may be close to being on axis to the seam (or overlap zone) between loudspeakers in the center cluster, that is: if there is a center cluster and if there are 2 devices in the cluster that cover that part the rear of the space.

Provided the loudspeaker system is well designed and optimized, you should be in a very good spot to mix from.

Good job of steering the others in the right direction !
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: MIKE HARPER on August 23, 2007, 04:25:41 pm
Tom,

I believe we are going with an "exploded cluster" design and all the overlap should be in the isles.  We can exit the booth through the door in the back, and go through the existing Sanctuary, which will be the fellowship hall/youth room, if/when we need to get back stage.  The door to the booth is also planned to be a dutch door, to allow us to sell CDs/tapes after service out side of the sanctuary.  We have 4 access panels in the floor, and I have pull wires already under there for adding other cables in the future.
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Karl P(eterson) on August 26, 2007, 09:23:29 pm
I had to grab some pictures after the last service today, I am surprised I didn't have any!

Anyways.

Church Info:
Church At Chapel Hill in Douglasville, GA -  weekly attendance between 1400~1500, although the auditorium only seats 400 on a good day (lots of services....)

New building coming shortly.

Tech booth:

The size is about 32x7, and is way to small for our needs. Our new tech booth will have over 60 feet of counters, and it will still be a little tight.

While I don't like the fact we are up in the sky, the delays for the booth work well enough, and being able to work with the rest of the team is pretty fantastic.

All in all, its a good setup, especially considering our church was only 350 people when they built this building.

If you want to take a look at more pictures, go ahead and look over here
http://picasaweb.google.com/iamkarlp/CCHTechBoothPictures

Karl P
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Jeff Foster on August 26, 2007, 09:56:21 pm
Here are some pictures of ours.  Our lighting is controlled in a completely separate booth upstairs.  This booth is for sound and video only.  It exits to a rear hallway.

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Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Jeff Foster on August 26, 2007, 09:57:36 pm
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Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Jeff Foster on August 26, 2007, 09:59:08 pm
Facing the stage....
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Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Billy Merrill on August 27, 2007, 01:18:26 pm
Kevin,

I like the way the plan was revised. Much better.


Side Bar question to Jeff.

On your Mackie TT24, where did you get the colored labels for the board?  I also noticed an unusual mount for wireless antennas. Is this a creation of yours as well?

Thanks in advance,

Billy
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Jeff Foster on August 27, 2007, 04:44:21 pm
Billy Merrill wrote on Mon, 27 August 2007 12:18

Side Bar question to Jeff.

On your Mackie TT24, where did you get the colored labels for the board?  I also noticed an unusual mount for wireless antennas. Is this a creation of yours as well?

Thanks in advance,

Billy



I don't recall where I originally got the file to make the labels.  It was either on the prosoundweb.com forums (church or regular) or on the churchmedia.net forums.  I altered the file quite a bit to come up with the template.  I will post it later for anyone interested.
I color code a lot of the stuff to match.  For example, all my handheld vocals are blue and match the VCA group as well.  This makes it a bit easier for others to walk up and get a feel for the layout.

The antenna mount is a custom build.  It's basically just some 3/8" MDF cut to size with some small "L" brackets holding two pieces together.  I then added BNC passthrough connectors and some leftover rubber feet from some older equipment.  A bit of paint and some BNC cables run below the counter to the receivers in the rack and it's ready to go.
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Jeff Foster on August 27, 2007, 10:19:12 pm
Here is the file as promised...

http://www.nsbcc.org/downloads/tt24_labels.doc
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Jerrybosun on August 28, 2007, 12:48:52 am
A bit or forced perspective




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Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Craig Champagne on September 02, 2007, 11:00:44 pm
Hey Kevin, We just remodeled our sound booth because it was way too small. Were building a new church as we speak so we didn't need to go big with this one as we new we would only use it for another year. Go to my site   kustomkid.org   and you can see the construction process. Since it was only a Mackie 24 channel board, we put sliders underneath it so we could gain access to the wiring behind it. Notice the importance of running the audio wiring under and away from the a/c voltage/outlets-This alone got rid of a nearby TV station coming thru my sound system. We will be adding a projector system with a laptop soon.
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Daniel Cash on September 05, 2007, 07:12:38 pm
Jeff Foster wrote on Mon, 27 August 2007 19:19

Here is the file as promised...

http://www.nsbcc.org/downloads/tt24_labels.doc




Jeff,  

Your sound booth is impressively organized and clean.

How do you interface all those media players (CD, DVD, PC, VCR, Tape) to your sound board? Do most of your devices have XLR out? My church uses a TT24 and the current method of connecting things (PC, CD, DVD) from their RCA out through direct boxes feels incorrect/inefficient to me.


Thanks
-Daniel
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: James Westra on September 06, 2007, 11:23:46 am
I am very new and ignorant but I have a question about the sound booth walls.
Won't the walls inhibit the low end freq. from getting to the sound guy?  Would a railing or fence be more practical?
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Jeff Foster on September 06, 2007, 07:32:59 pm
Daniel Cash wrote on Wed, 05 September 2007 18:12


Jeff,  

Your sound booth is impressively organized and clean.


Thank you very much.  Many of us have worked very hard on it and I'm sure the other techs will be as glad as I am to hear that you said that.

Daniel Cash wrote on Wed, 05 September 2007 18:12


How do you interface all those media players (CD, DVD, PC, VCR, Tape) to your sound board? Do most of your devices have XLR out? My church uses a TT24 and the current method of connecting things (PC, CD, DVD) from their RCA out through direct boxes feels incorrect/inefficient to me.

Thanks
-Daniel



Here are the connections:
CD1 and Tape are both XLR out on each unit to XLR in on the TT24 using regular XLRf to XLRm cables.
CD2, DVD, and VCR are all RCA out on each unit to 1/4" Line in on the TT24 using cables with RCAm pugs on one end and 1/4" TS phone plugs on the other
The PC is 1/8" to RCA then RCA to 1/4" connected to Line in on the TT24.  This uses a cable with a 1/8" stereo phone jack to dual RCAm plugs.  Those plugs connect to those cheap little Radio Shack RCAf to 1/4" TS adapters.
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Jeff Foster on September 06, 2007, 07:44:05 pm
James Westra wrote on Thu, 06 September 2007 10:23

I am very new and ignorant but I have a question about the sound booth walls.
Won't the walls inhibit the low end freq. from getting to the sound guy?  Would a railing or fence be more practical?


James,

I'm not sure who your question was directed towards, but I'll take a stab at helping answer it.

Typically, you do want the "sound guy" to be in as open an area as possible so that nearby walls don't alter the sound that he/she is hearing and mixing.  Just becuase there may be nearby walls, doesn't necessarily mean that they will inhibit low frequency energy.  In fact, in most cases it is the opposite.  The closer you are to a wall, the louder the bass energy will be.  What you don't want is to have a full wall between the sound operator and the auditorium/speakers/congregation.  Again, depending on the design, it will alter the sound in different ways - all of them unwanted since it will not be the same sound that the congregation hears.

The ideal setup would be to have the sound control out in the open, right in the middle of the congregation.  However, this is usually impractical for sight lines, seating capacity, etc.

The best thing to do as an operator, no matter where you mix from, is to walk the room regularly (not during a service) to better understand the differences in sound between what the congregation hears and what you hear at FOH.
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: David Urban on September 11, 2007, 10:46:43 pm
A little late, but I kept forgetting to bring a camera....
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: David Urban on September 11, 2007, 10:49:56 pm
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Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Jeff Foster on October 13, 2007, 05:10:12 pm
Does anyone else have any pictures they would like to share?
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: MIKE HARPER on October 14, 2007, 02:55:18 pm
I'll put up some new pictures in the next couple weeks.  We just got in our new Sanctuary but we are still missing some equipment, some of the items that we needed were on back order.
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: A.J. McGlynn on October 14, 2007, 05:41:06 pm
I will post some pictures after I get into my new building. I am actually designing it around some ideas that I have found from these pictures.
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: MIKE HARPER on October 15, 2007, 12:42:23 am
If you're still in the design phase, I will tell you one thing.  YOU CAN NEVER HAVE TOO MUCH CONDUIT IN PLACE.  We ran 1-3" and 3-2" up to the stage and then junctioned all our runs in a large access hole the back of the stage, from there we went to the floor pockets and the amp rack, back stage.  we still have one 2" empty but I wish we would have put in one more.  We ran 3-2" from the access panel to the amp rack.  I have pictures of all that, if you would like any of those, let me know.  I would also suggest that you make sure you have access to under the floor at both ends of the booth and holes in the floor joists or some other way to pull cable from one side to the other.  we also put an access panel under in the middle under the counter.
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: A.J. McGlynn on October 15, 2007, 07:32:40 pm
I have a ton of conduit to my booth. I do plan on making it easy to pull cables into my booth. I was going to take pictures of the space today but forgot. Hopefully I can in a couple of days.
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: A.J. McGlynn on October 17, 2007, 11:01:42 am
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This is where my Booth will go
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Karl P(eterson) on October 17, 2007, 11:39:59 am
Ahhh.....

The JobSite Radio.

Someone needs to write a song about this infamous device.

Karl P
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: A.J. McGlynn on October 17, 2007, 12:07:12 pm
Yes I found a tad funny that there was a radio at the mix position.
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Aaron McQueen on October 17, 2007, 12:43:11 pm
A.J. McGlynn wrote on Wed, 17 October 2007 12:07

Yes I found a tad funny that there was a radio at the mix position.


You'd be surprised by how many people actually think the sound is coming from the sound booth.
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Karl P(eterson) on October 17, 2007, 12:55:33 pm
Aaron McQueen wrote on Wed, 17 October 2007 12:43

A.J. McGlynn wrote on Wed, 17 October 2007 12:07

Yes I found a tad funny that there was a radio at the mix position.


You'd be surprised by how many people actually think the sound is coming from the sound booth.



I just got visions of a 12 box line array sitting on the sound booth ledge pointed at the stage.

I also imagine certain individuals thanking me for finally putting in proper monitoring. Laughing

Karl P
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: A.J. McGlynn on October 27, 2007, 10:10:38 am
I have an updated picture of my new booth. The white line is where the desk will be. The boards on the floor are because we are going to have a floor made so that we can see over people heads.



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Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Michael Robertson on October 27, 2007, 06:37:42 pm
Talk about late jumping in! I saw this bumped back up today and found the latest pic I could find. The graph was a borrowed unit for that day.index.php/fa/185/0/
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Justin L-Smith on November 09, 2007, 07:42:45 am
I would like to say I found this thread immensely helpful, I intended to join several weeks ago so that at the very least I could tell you this. I had the job of designing our new sound area and had been putting the job off. I had a few ideas but nothing concrete. Once I read this and then took into account some of the hard lines I had been set (sq footage etc) I was able to do it.

I meant to take an image when we initially laid it out but will try and snap what we have so far tomorrow (every Saturday is work day at the new building) One thing I really liked was the advice to put a slope on the rails, so I did now nobody can place coffee or bibles on the front wall of the sound desk Very Happy

We built the "decking" the same height as the stage 22" from the floor and I requested a 36" back wall, 30" as a standard desk height and 6 inch wall just to cover the back of the mixer and prevent things rolling off. Well the frame was built to that and then the rail added giving just over 42". I am fairly short so sat down this additional height coupled with the depth of the counter surface would put me a visual disadvantage. My plan, is to use office chairs so we can sit higher and just install the desk at 36" height.

A question, under desk/counter racks, I love the designs that used them and would like to go with that route. Could anybody tell me where they obtained there units and if there is a standard height? I am also considering the possibility of building our own, I am an adequate cabinet builder so all I need to do is get hold of the rack strips. My preferred method would be to purchase the racks and just mount them inside hollow cabinet boxes to blend the design.

Any help will be highly appreciated, this building project has been a long one and I think we have broken every advised rule due to lack of funds (the do it yourself stuff)
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Jerrybosun on November 16, 2007, 08:15:30 am
Justin
The rack mounts for "do it yourself" can be purchased at any guitar center really cheaply..  
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Jordan Wolf on November 18, 2007, 10:18:18 pm
Karl P(eterson) wrote on Wed, 17 October 2007 11:39

Ahhh.....

The JobSite Radio.

Someone needs to write a song about this infamous device.


You would think Weird Al Yankovic would've made a song already...
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Jeff Foster on November 22, 2007, 09:55:34 am
Justin L-Smith wrote on Fri, 09 November 2007 06:42

A question, under desk/counter racks, I love the designs that used them and would like to go with that route. Could anybody tell me where they obtained there units and if there is a standard height?


There is no "standard" height for permanent installs like these.  If you purchase pre-built, you can choose from almost any rack height that you want.  Typically, racks come in even numbered space counts - I.E. 12-space, 14-space, 16-space, etc.

We purchased ours at Guitar Center.  The first one had been purchased by a member and donated along with some recording equipment since that member had an interest in helping to improve our sermon recordings.  This was probably about six years ago - long before we ever moved into our current worship center.  When we were designing our current building, I had them build the counter to the height that it is because I wanted to be able to slide the rack beneath it.  At the same time, we bought a second, identical rack to put in as well.  This worked out very well as the racks fit neatly beneath the counter and the counter is at a height that we can mix while seated or standing.
Both of our racks are 14-space racks.  They came with casters but I removed them to allow for a more "permanent" look.
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Johnny Bailey on November 25, 2007, 10:14:40 pm
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Title: ReAmps,processing, mic patchbay,Soundbooth posted earlier
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Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Justin L-Smith on December 02, 2007, 09:56:12 am
Jerrybosun wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 08:15

Justin
The rack mounts for "do it yourself" can be purchased at any guitar center really cheaply..  


Thank you, I took a look and yes that seem's easy enough

Jeff Foster wrote on Thu, 22 November 2007 09:55

Justin L-Smith wrote on Fri, 09 November 2007 06:42

A question, under desk/counter racks, I love the designs that used them and would like to go with that route. Could anybody tell me where they obtained there units and if there is a standard height?


There is no "standard" height for permanent installs like these.  If you purchase pre-built, you can choose from almost any rack height that you want.  Typically, racks come in even numbered space counts - I.E. 12-space, 14-space, 16-space, etc.

We purchased ours at Guitar Center.  The first one had been purchased by a member and donated along with some recording equipment since that member had an interest in helping to improve our sermon recordings.  This was probably about six years ago - long before we ever moved into our current worship center.  When we were designing our current building, I had them build the counter to the height that it is because I wanted to be able to slide the rack beneath it.  At the same time, we bought a second, identical rack to put in as well.  This worked out very well as the racks fit neatly beneath the counter and the counter is at a height that we can mix while seated or standing.
Both of our racks are 14-space racks.  They came with casters but I removed them to allow for a more "permanent" look.


Yes once I saw that type of layout I decided it would work for our layout as well. The current layout at the church we share has a large rack to the side of the sound setup and is in a small area. We have 24 foot in length in our area now so under the desk will be great and the cabinets the racks go in will add strength to the desktop.

ADVICE:
I found google sketch up a great tool for designing the sound area layout, there are so many objects like Mackie mixers etc available through 3D Warehouse. I also did the stage layout, with keyboards, drums, mic's, music stands etc
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Jeff Plumblee on December 02, 2007, 06:05:43 pm
Where is this 3D Warehouse, that I might acquire these wonderful tools?
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Justin L-Smith on December 02, 2007, 08:40:19 pm
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This is a render of the finished look. We have the area frames, the outside dry walled the inside we have boarded and fit removable wall panels for future access, the top panel above the desk will be fixed. The floor has a large access panel to go under the floor (22" high) then a small 14" square panel for arm access (although I can fit down that if I need) at the other end were the snake, LAN and Light control cables come through (they are spread about 1 ft a part)

We have had the desk years and the rack has to be built, the light controller is in, we need to order computers but I am probably going to go with laptops purely because they can be locked away and saves having to buy flat screens and upgrades for our aging desktops.

For objects download all extra content: http://sketchup.google.com/bonuspacks.html and go here: http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse

Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: ak909 on December 03, 2007, 11:57:47 am
This is a project we've been working on lately that has been suddenly revamped and is in its pre-CAD stages. Heres a pic of our cheesy unfinished rendering.
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The control section is made up of drywall and 703 materials.
Were still looking into a console, so far Euphonix is looking as the winner...

It consist of the left control block for video, the right block for lighting, the front block for FOH and the middle block for tracking.
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Aaron McQueen on December 03, 2007, 12:19:26 pm
Are you sure you want that large piece of glass right behind the mix position?  Looks like it could cause some trouble.  Also why do the video and lighting guys need to be closed in?
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: ak909 on December 03, 2007, 03:01:15 pm
Well this project has been under debate for some time now. A local church tried this method a number of years back when they upgraded to broadcasting, So far so good. The good thing about this is its flexible, all positions are interchangeable except the FOH because the mixer is quite heavy (each channel block weighs about 40lbs and cost around 20K a piece Confused ) and all outboard and network gear for FOH will be installed in that position along the walls. The center-block is for now the tracking room where all audio will be tracked to tape or HDDs which will be totally independent from the FOH and if the tracking room idea is green lighted a wall or glass panel must divide the foh from the tracking area for the tracking room will be acoustically treated and almost 100% soundproof for it will have monitors (Barefoots) and its own mixing console (Toft ATB or ORAM) so the engineer must have the most accurate sound he can get. The other idea is to have all A/V in the FOH and center blocks and move the tracking into the left block and have the right block for video post production. Like i said, were at each others necks with this, but its fun. Smile
Title: QUESTIONS ABOUT MACKIE TT24---
Post by: Michael Shuemaker on February 14, 2008, 11:56:10 am
Hello Jeff.

My name is Michael Shuemaker. I am the head sound engineer at Trinity Chapel
in Knoxville, TN.

I happen see your posts on ProSoundWeb.com and noticed in your pictures you
have a Mackie TT24. We are in the process of updating our current Mackie SR40-8
due to recurring problems we've had over the last 6-7 years and are having problems
as we speak and simply can't stomach putting anymore money into it.

I have researched the TT24 to death -- and have just made my recommendations to
the 'powers that be' that it be our next choice. Sure we would lose 8 channels right up
front compared to our 40 channel Mackie -- but could upgrade the TT24 once more funds
were available.

My questions to you are:  Have you had any ill experiences with the TT24? And do you use the
on-board digital processing in the TT24 to eq/limit/etc your mains and monitors or do you have
external units that you use for that?

We currently run a Crown IQ-USM 810 for our signal processing on our mains/monitors/lobby/delays/etc..
and have had serious problems out of it in the past as well. And as you may know Crown no longer
services or makes any parts for the IQ -- so if it dies --- it's dead and we would have no other option
than to spend the $4K to get a replacement product.

If you could let me know your experience you've had with the TT24 --- GOOD OR BAD.
How long have you used it----what sort of instrument----problems----etc.

I really appreciate your time.

Michael Shuemaker
Sound Ministry Leader
Trinity Chapel Knoxville, TN
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Steven Barnett on February 14, 2008, 04:24:58 pm
Oh, to have a sound booth.  But, I'm blessed with great equipment and worship environment to work in.
Title: Re: QUESTIONS ABOUT MACKIE TT24---
Post by: Jeff Foster on February 15, 2008, 05:16:23 pm
Michael Shuemaker wrote on Thu, 14 February 2008 10:56

Hello Jeff.

My name is Michael Shuemaker. I am the head sound engineer at Trinity Chapel
in Knoxville, TN.

I happen see your posts on ProSoundWeb.com and noticed in your pictures you
have a Mackie TT24.

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Responded to your email.

Short version for others here...

We have had a number of problems, only two of which I would consider big issues, and only one of those was a "showstopper".  However, Mackie's tech support has been great and the TT24 still offers some features that other comparably priced boards don't have and I still consider myself "satisfied" with it - not super happy with it, but not cursing it either.

For those that want to know about the problems, head over to Mackie's tech support forums.  I have detailed them all there over the last couple of years.
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Justin L-Smith on February 22, 2008, 07:39:38 pm
Our booth is still in limbo, thelayout is as I showed but the counter top was unable to be fit...we ran out of money right at the end of the build so I am on plastic tables and cables everywhere. Still we are in our very own building so I can change something and not worry about another church freaking out. Painful though to have to tweak stuff every week an dI am running off my own laptop. I will post pics when finished as I think it will be a decent job.
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Rick Knutson on February 26, 2008, 10:53:33 am
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Here is our booth.  We are currently still working on it.
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: MIKE HARPER on February 29, 2008, 12:41:40 am
Wow, I finally got some pictures uploaded to photobucket.  Here are some pictures of our "finished" sound booth.  In an earlier post you can see the CAD drawing and a couple pictures of the booth under construction.  We officially moved in in October.  
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/4soundman/soundbooth/sound007-1.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/4soundman/soundbooth/sound008-1.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/4soundman/soundbooth/sound009-1.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/4soundman/soundbooth/sound010-1.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/4soundman/soundbooth/sound011-1.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/4soundman/soundbooth/sound012-1.jpg

We had to cut out, the compressor/limiters, a new CD recorder (old one came over from old sanctuary), and a couple other pieces to save on budget.  Also the New lighting system got pushed back since we didn't use stage lighting in the old building.  So now we are working on lighting and the 70volt system for the foyer,cry room and offices.
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Lee Buckalew on April 07, 2010, 07:20:32 am
I realize that this is an older thread but wanted to point this out.

That antenna mount is not a good idea.  You have not created a proper ground plane for the antenna's and as such you are not providing what they need to function optimally.  This can cause much more limited reception range.  The antennae must be on a metal plate, sized appropriately or should be antennae designed for remote mounting that include a built in ground plane.

Check out some of Henry Cohen's posts on the subject of wireless.

His,
Lee Buckalew
Pro Sound Advice, Inc.
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Brian Ehlers on April 07, 2010, 12:30:19 pm
Lee, if you are referring to the last set of pictures posted, and if those are 1/4-wave antennas, then you are correct, they should have a ground plane.

But if those are 1/2-wave antennas (the type typically used for remote mounting), they do not need a ground plane and, in fact, would probably perform worse with one.
Title: Re: Sound Booth Pictures
Post by: Lee Buckalew on April 07, 2010, 05:06:33 pm
True as long as they are 1/2 wave dipole.  I guess I was assuming 1/4 wave but I did not look that closely or check to see if the frequency range was listed.
I was very tired when I was reading through the posts, sorry about that.

His,
Lee Buckalew
Pro Sound Advice, Inc.