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Title: European SPL levels.
Post by: Iain.Macdonald on April 06, 2011, 07:54:26 am
Hi,

So here we are again. Another attempt by politicians to protect people from the idiots who insist on trying to deafen their audiences.

http://www.flanderstoday.eu/content/pump-down-volume (http://www.flanderstoday.eu/content/pump-down-volume)

Iain.
Title: Re: European SPL levels.
Post by: Timo Beckman on April 06, 2011, 08:35:33 am
Hi,

So here we are again. Another attempt by politicians to protect people from the idiots who insist on trying to deafen their audiences.

http://www.flanderstoday.eu/content/pump-down-volume (http://www.flanderstoday.eu/content/pump-down-volume)

Iain.


A level of a 100dBa in Amsterdam is going to result in a fine that can run up to about 10.000 euro's . If you like sub frequencies your F*cked . The dBc level allowed in the city of amsterdam is about 95 measured at the first house near the stage .
Title: Re: European SPL levels.
Post by: Albert A. Gustaveson on April 06, 2011, 11:28:48 am
A level of a 100dBa in Amsterdam is going to result in a fine that can run up to about 10.000 euro's . If you like sub frequencies your F*cked . The dBc level allowed in the city of amsterdam is about 95 measured at the first house near the stage .

"Heavy Metal Band My Bloody Valentine."

LOl. Best quote from the article.
Title: Re: European SPL levels.
Post by: Brad Weber on April 06, 2011, 12:07:56 pm
A level of a 100dBa in Amsterdam is going to result in a fine that can run up to about 10.000 euro's . If you like sub frequencies your F*cked .
I could see that if it was dB(SPL, Z-weighted) or dB(SPL, C-weighted), however 100dB(SPL, A-weighted) is actually rather generous in terms of the potential low frequency content so I don't understand this comment.
 
It was interesting that the proposed 100dB(SPL, A-weighted) limit being an Leq over 15 minutes with no proposed maximum on peak levels seemed to be minimally addressed in the article.  Whether that was intentional or simply out of ignorance of how that can impact both the potential levels and the measurement process, it is such details that are often critical but not understood by the general public.
Title: Re: European SPL levels.
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on April 06, 2011, 12:22:41 pm
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It was interesting that the proposed 100dB(SPL, A-weighted) limit being an Leq over 15 minutes with no proposed maximum on peak levels seemed to be minimally addressed in the article. 

"And now, ladies and gentlemen, let us observe a few minutes of silence to allow us to really rock on the next number and not exceed the 15 minute average measurement."
Title: Re: European SPL levels.
Post by: Justin Sinclair on April 06, 2011, 12:40:59 pm
Yeah I've been dealing with this in Europe for a week now.  Amsterdam in 3 days.

Justin
Title: Re: European SPL levels.
Post by: Doug Fowler on April 06, 2011, 01:02:52 pm
Yeah I've been dealing with this in Europe for a week now.  Amsterdam in 3 days.

Justin

SysTune offers a monitoring system based on European health regulations.  You can load a set of parameters for your particular circumstance, calibrate SPL for pressure using a calibrator, and monitor what's happening in real time, including a log file.  When you get close to the "limits", the display will flash and change color.  I expect this feature is used quite a bit more in Europe than in the U.S. ;-)

Edit: the SPL values in the screen shot are arbitrary, I just plugged in some numbers to make the example.
Title: Re: European SPL levels.
Post by: Brad Weber on April 06, 2011, 01:08:57 pm
"And now, ladies and gentlemen, let us observe a few minutes of silence to allow us to really rock on the next number and not exceed the 15 minute average measurement."
Or simply play music with some dynamics!  ;)
Title: Re: European SPL levels.
Post by: Lee Buckalew on April 06, 2011, 04:33:54 pm
Or simply play music with some dynamics!  ;)

+1  ;D