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Title: Anyone worked with Men of the Deeps
Post by: John L Nobile on November 29, 2019, 10:30:46 am
Wondering if anyone has worked with the CDN East Coast act Men of the Deeps. I have them here this Sunday for their Christmas show and I'm running sound and lights for them. This is a new scenario for me and I haven't mixed a show since March.

Looks like about 25 men in the choir with a 5 or 6 piece band. I was told that the drummer uses brushes but I'm never that lucky.

I've made my stage wider to try to keep the band as far as possible from the choir. Went from 32' to 40' with the choir SR and most of the band SL. Planning on micing them with 4 w/less KSM9's with 2 Beta 87's for soloists in front.

Should be a fun challenge though I don't really like the part of doing lights or listening to Christmas tunes yet.
Title: Re: Anyone worked with Men of the Deeps
Post by: Ike Zimbel on November 29, 2019, 11:04:54 am
Wondering if anyone has worked with the CDN East Coast act Men of the Deeps. I have them here this Sunday for their Christmas show and I'm running sound and lights for them. This is a new scenario for me and I haven't mixed a show since March.

Looks like about 25 men in the choir with a 5 or 6 piece band. I was told that the drummer uses brushes but I'm never that lucky.

I've made my stage wider to try to keep the band as far as possible from the choir. Went from 32' to 40' with the choir SR and most of the band SL. Planning on micing them with 4 w/less KSM9's with 2 Beta 87's for soloists in front.

Should be a fun challenge though I don't really like the part of doing lights or listening to Christmas tunes yet.
I haven't, but I'd be very surprised if they don't have it completely sorted. Just let them set up as they normally do, consult with them about mics and placement and see what comes out.
The Canadian east coast is a very musical place (I grew up out there), populated by people who have been working with what they have and making it work for generations. I expect you'll have a good day  :).
Title: Re: Anyone worked with Men of the Deeps
Post by: Spenser Hamilton on November 30, 2019, 04:22:53 pm
Wondering if anyone has worked with the CDN East Coast act Men of the Deeps. I have them here this Sunday for their Christmas show and I'm running sound and lights for them. This is a new scenario for me and I haven't mixed a show since March.

Looks like about 25 men in the choir with a 5 or 6 piece band. I was told that the drummer uses brushes but I'm never that lucky.

I've made my stage wider to try to keep the band as far as possible from the choir. Went from 32' to 40' with the choir SR and most of the band SL. Planning on micing them with 4 w/less KSM9's with 2 Beta 87's for soloists in front.

Should be a fun challenge though I don't really like the part of doing lights or listening to Christmas tunes yet.

You are in for a treat, their rendition of Working Man is something else.

Really chill group, and as Ike said, they have their shit together. I used 4 PR30s for choir mics last time they were here, worked well.
Title: Re: Anyone worked with Men of the Deeps
Post by: Geoff Doane on November 30, 2019, 08:11:35 pm
My company did a series of concerts with the Men of the Deeps about 20 years ago for the Red Cross.  They were mostly held in churches, and we did the PA and lighting for the shows.  I didn't work the concerts myself, but just messaged with the guy who did sound for most of them.  He remembers using 6 PL-11 mics (dynamic, hyper-card) as overheads on the choir, with the band and soloists being conventionally mic'd.  The trick seems to be to get the mics close to the choir, and then use a lot of them, so nobody's voice in particular sticks out.  It's not a traditional recording setup by any means, but for PA, it gets the job done on the same stage as the [well behaved] band.

There's nothing particularly special about the PL-11s, I just happened to have 6 of them.  The response isn't hyped like most vocal mics, but as long as you have a bunch of the same thing, you can EQ them as a group.

As the others have said, they're a great bunch of guys.  They are actually all active or retired coal miners, so there's no room on the stage for prima donnas.

GTD
Title: Re: Anyone worked with Men of the Deeps
Post by: John L Nobile on December 02, 2019, 11:15:43 am
I gotta say that I thoroughly enjoyed that concert. Guys were all great to work with. Not surprising since I've never met anyone from the east coast that I didn't like. One of them even came to FOH to give me one of their Christmas CD's and another one stopped me in the hallway to give me a miners pin. I never get swag from the bands that come through here.

It was tough getting the 4 choir mics where I wanted them. Rode that fader all night. You could hear the band getting louder and the lead vocal was sounding more distant as the system was about to go into feedback from the 4 choir mics. There's gotta be a better way to mic the chorus.

What was nice was the quiet stage level. I could hear every instrument clearly. I gotta try to mix at lower levels in the future. It's nice to hear subtle eq changes.

They gave a 2 1/2 hour show with intermission and it went by quickly. Good act. I'd love to work with these guys again
Title: Re: Anyone worked with Men of the Deeps
Post by: Spenser Hamilton on December 03, 2019, 10:38:52 pm
I gotta say that I thoroughly enjoyed that concert. Guys were all great to work with. Not surprising since I've never met anyone from the east coast that I didn't like. One of them even came to FOH to give me one of their Christmas CD's and another one stopped me in the hallway to give me a miners pin. I never get swag from the bands that come through here.

It was tough getting the 4 choir mics where I wanted them. Rode that fader all night. You could hear the band getting louder and the lead vocal was sounding more distant as the system was about to go into feedback from the 4 choir mics. There's gotta be a better way to mic the chorus.

What was nice was the quiet stage level. I could hear every instrument clearly. I gotta try to mix at lower levels in the future. It's nice to hear subtle eq changes.

They gave a 2 1/2 hour show with intermission and it went by quickly. Good act. I'd love to work with these guys again

Glad you enjoyed it. I've still got my pin, it's sitting on my dresser still as I don't want to lose it.
Title: Re: Anyone worked with Men of the Deeps
Post by: Chris Grimshaw on December 06, 2019, 06:58:12 pm

It was tough getting the 4 choir mics where I wanted them. Rode that fader all night. You could hear the band getting louder and the lead vocal was sounding more distant as the system was about to go into feedback from the 4 choir mics. There's gotta be a better way to mic the chorus.


Choirs can be tough.

I provided sound for one around this time last year. ~100 voices. They were split into 6x groups, so I put a Sennheiser e935 on each group, got the balance right in the headphones and then pushed the "choir" DCA until feedback and then backed off by 3dB. Mixed everything else to that.

I would rather have had a pair of Beyer 201s per group, but I didn't have that many to hand.
More directional mics mean you can get further away (better blend of the voices) while keeping similar GBF.

Chris