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Title: Waves Multirack and plugins
Post by: Greg Bartusch on July 03, 2019, 02:10:04 am
I just purchased Waves MultiRack for my PC Toshiba Satellite with an M-Audio Fast Track Pro AI. I run sound in a club that can hold 150 people. We have cover and original bands here and I use an Allen&Heath GL2400 (24ch) console. I currently have a Roland SDE 1000 delay and an Alesis Qudraverb. What plugins would you suggest that would work best for my venue. I donít want to spend too much on these plugins. Any help would be great. Thanks
Title: Re: Waves Multirack and plugins
Post by: Tim McCulloch on July 03, 2019, 03:13:12 am
I just purchased Waves MultiRack for my PC Toshiba Satellite with an M-Audio Fast Track Pro AI. I run sound in a club that can hold 150 people. We have cover and original bands here and I use an Allen&Heath GL2400 (24ch) console. I currently have a Roland SDE 1000 delay and an Alesis Qudraverb. What plugins would you suggest that would work best for my venue. I donít want to spend too much on these plugins. Any help would be great. Thanks
Waves just had a 50% off sale... :(

Things I use often:  H-Comp, C6, Puigchild 660, SSL bus comp, R-Verb, CLA 1176, Kramer Master Tape, Waves Doubler, Renaissance Reverb, V Comp, and True Verb.
Title: Re: Waves Multirack and plugins
Post by: Russell Ault on July 03, 2019, 03:25:35 pm
Things I use often:  H-Comp, C6, Puigchild 660, SSL bus comp, R-Verb, CLA 1176, Kramer Master Tape, Waves Doubler, Renaissance Reverb, V Comp, and True Verb.

I'm always a bit wary of using EQ and dynamics plugins in Native mode because of latency, but reverbs and delays should work well.

My go-to Waves reverb is H-Reverb. Load the Pooch Vocal preset and tweak to taste. :)

-Russ
Title: Re: Waves Multirack and plugins
Post by: Tim McCulloch on July 03, 2019, 04:50:38 pm
I'm always a bit wary of using EQ and dynamics plugins in Native mode because of latency, but reverbs and delays should work well.

My go-to Waves reverb is H-Reverb. Load the Pooch Vocal preset and tweak to taste. :)

-Russ

Good catch, Russell, I'm not using a Native mode server, I'm running the TDM Waves 9.1 on Venue 3.1 desks.  For anything else I'd want a SoundGrid Server.
Title: Re: Waves Multirack and plugins
Post by: Russell Ault on July 03, 2019, 06:55:01 pm
Good catch, Russell, I'm not using a Native mode server, I'm running the TDM Waves 9.1 on Venue 3.1 desks.  For anything else I'd want a SoundGrid Server.

For more Lounge-level stuff I've had very good luck with Native mode for things like reverbs that are latency-tolerant (and not as show-critical). If you're going to pre-delay your reverb anyway, you can increase the ASIO buffer size way up for stability.

-Russ
Title: Re: Waves Multirack and plugins
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on July 03, 2019, 11:25:43 pm
Doesnít the Soundgrid server alleviate most of the latency concerns?

Iíve got the Waves Mercury, SSL, and Abey Road bundles, so I guess itís somethign I should get into at some point.
Title: Re: Waves Multirack and plugins
Post by: Russell Ault on July 03, 2019, 11:55:22 pm
Doesnít the Soundgrid server alleviate most of the latency concerns?

A SoundGrid server has a roundtrip latency of less than 1 ms, which should eliminate basically all of the latency concerns. I know there are monitor engineers out there using it on IEMs.

Only downside is cost, most of which comes from trying to get the signal into and out of the SoundGrid server.

-Russ
Title: Re: Waves Multirack and plugins
Post by: Tim Weaver on July 04, 2019, 02:23:01 am
I use a lot of the CLA dynamics. I especially like the CLA 1176 comp. its great for adding some crunchy attack to kick and snare. Google up how to use the magic ďall buttonsĒ setting on the 1176. The CLA-2A is awesome too.

Kramer Master Tape is awesome on all kinds of stuff, but I especially like it on keys and synths. Adds enough analog flavor to make a key rig gel.

And by far my mostest favoritist plugs are the Vocal Rider and Bass Rider!

Donít go buying this stuff all right now. Waves puts things on sale nearly year round. You just have to wait until the thing you want goes on sale, then snag it.
Title: Re: Waves Multirack and plugins
Post by: Eric Snodgrass on July 04, 2019, 07:52:17 am
Donít go buying this stuff all right now. Waves puts things on sale nearly year round. You just have to wait until the thing you want goes on sale, then snag it.
Actually DO go buy all this stuff right now.  Waves is having a sale today. 
Title: Re: Waves Multirack and plugins
Post by: David Sturzenbecher on July 04, 2019, 07:54:55 am
Actually DO go buy all this stuff right now.  Waves is having a sale today.

There is a big sale every day. Literally every day.
Title: Re: Waves Multirack and plugins
Post by: Helge A Bentsen on July 04, 2019, 10:00:40 am
For every plugin Waves has that works (imho) they have 4 that doesn't suit my taste. YMMV and all that of course.

I really like the MV2 plugin on drums when you have songs moving from super fast to slow and heavy, makes the whole kit more even without sounding dull.

And SSL Comp + MaxBass + L2 on the master bus if the PA is not that great. Or if the SPL police is heavy involved that day.

Title: Re: Waves Multirack and plugins
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on July 04, 2019, 10:34:56 am
There is a big sale every day. Literally every day.
Their annual anniversary and Black Friday sales are always the biggest sales of the year. Last year the Gold Bundle was like $130. And I have used their annual mega sales to upgrade from Gold to Mercury over several times years for a fraction of the cost of buying it outright.


Just wish they would put their Soundgrid servers on sale and the Dugan Bundle on sale.
Title: Re: Waves Multirack and plugins
Post by: Mark Richardson 2.0 on August 08, 2019, 03:57:18 pm
Yeah- never, ever pay full till for Waves stuff. Check out the "Specials" page, every week they drop another selection of plugins down to $29 and they're nearly always running a sale, too. They also give out a freebie on Black Friday, which is how I got their Sibilance de-esser. It's a really nice look-ahead de-esser, which is something everybody ought to have. Their 1176 is good but not great, but the PuigChild 670 emulator is the BOMB on a recording 2-buss. It'd be fun to see what that did in a live scenario.
Title: Re: Waves Multirack and plugins
Post by: Mark Oakley on August 09, 2019, 09:50:05 am
Just ordered my Server One Combo yesterday. Got killed with the US/Canadian exchange and duty/tax but hopefully it will be worth it. I'm planning to use it with my iLive and home studio.

-Mark
Title: Re: Waves Multirack and plugins
Post by: Spenser Hamilton on August 10, 2019, 03:34:17 pm
Just ordered my Server One Combo yesterday. Got killed with the US/Canadian exchange and duty/tax but hopefully it will be worth it. I'm planning to use it with my iLive and home studio.

-Mark

If you have some recordings of previous gigs, spend some time with that at home playing around. Trying to set up a plug in rack with a band on stage is a PITA for you and the band, but if you have some good starting points (especially if you work with the same groups of musicians), it can be very easy to tweak your session to match different stages.

Enjoy the power, but try to have on-board processing ready to go in case the Waves takes a dive. I've only ever seen that happen once, but the engineer did not prepare and had to rebuild his mix almost from scratch with a full house (not fun).
Title: Re: Waves Multirack and plugins
Post by: Mark Oakley on August 13, 2019, 08:42:38 am
If you have some recordings of previous gigs, spend some time with that at home playing around.

Exactly my plan. Last summer I bought a recording computer (Dell Alienware) and during the past year have made about a dozen multi-track recordings of various shows I've done. I can run these recordings back through my board as a "Virtual soundcheck" and experiment with various Plug-ins.

I never take new gear out on a show before I have a good understanding of its operation.

-Mark
Title: Re: Waves Multirack and plugins
Post by: Steve Litscher on August 13, 2019, 10:27:26 am
A few quick questions/clarifications:

- I've read conflicting info about using Waves in small club settings, primarily due to latency, even with a Waves Grid Server. But someone mentioned earlier the latency is around 1ms with a server? Really? If so, that's awesome. I'd invest in a WGS immediately if so.

- Do they ever discount the WGS or cards during their mega sales? I've seen the plugins go on sale, but never the hardware.

** Got some multi-track recordings - thanks!! **
Title: Re: Waves Multirack and plugins
Post by: John P. Farrell on August 13, 2019, 10:34:15 am

- I've read conflicting info about using Waves in small club settings, primarily due to latency, even with a Waves Grid Server. But someone mentioned earlier the latency is around 1ms with a server? Really? If so, that's awesome. I'd invest in a WGS immediately if so.


A server will certainly be usable in a club if you're not choosing plug ins with crazy amounts of latency.  RT can be about a millisecond with the WSG card and server for whatever desk you're choosing.  I'm a big fan of waves in a live environment, and if you already own licenses the cost of hardware is minimal to really make those tools useful and effective. 
Title: Re: Waves Multirack and plugins
Post by: Tim Weaver on August 13, 2019, 11:52:03 am
A few quick questions/clarifications:

- I've read conflicting info about using Waves in small club settings, primarily due to latency, even with a Waves Grid Server. But someone mentioned earlier the latency is around 1ms with a server? Really? If so, that's awesome. I'd invest in a WGS immediately if so.

- Do they ever discount the WGS or cards during their mega sales? I've seen the plugins go on sale, but never the hardware.

- Anyone have a simple multi-track recording they'd be willing to share privately? I don't have any handy, and I'd love to play around with some things here. I'd be happy to reimburse for any troubles/hassles/time. PM me if you'd be willing to share?

PM me an email address.
Title: Re: Waves Multirack and plugins
Post by: Tim Weaver on August 13, 2019, 11:54:56 am
A server will certainly be usable in a club if you're not choosing plug ins with crazy amounts of latency.  RT can be about a millisecond with the WSG card and server for whatever desk you're choosing.  I'm a big fan of waves in a live environment, and if you already own licenses the cost of hardware is minimal to really make those tools useful and effective.

As long as you are not running the plugs on any monitor channels there's nothing wrong with running Multirack on a laptop in a club. You get a few MS of latency, but so what. I did it a lot using a Mac Mini in the doghouse of the desk.
Title: Re: Waves Multirack and plugins
Post by: Nathan Riddle on August 14, 2019, 09:19:45 am
I have multitracks if anyone wants 'em.

- Anyone have a simple multi-track recording they'd be willing to share privately? I don't have any handy, and I'd love to play around with some things here. I'd be happy to reimburse for any troubles/hassles/time. PM me if you'd be willing to share?

Sent.

PM me an email address.

I wouldn't mind some extra, we can trade :)
Title: Re: Waves Multirack and plugins
Post by: Gary Weller on August 23, 2019, 02:37:28 pm
A few quick questions/clarifications:

- I've read conflicting info about using Waves in small club settings, primarily due to latency, even with a Waves Grid Server. But someone mentioned earlier the latency is around 1ms with a server? Really? If so, that's awesome. I'd invest in a WGS immediately if so.

- Do they ever discount the WGS or cards during their mega sales? I've seen the plugins go on sale, but never the hardware.

** Got some multi-track recordings - thanks!! **

Waves just lowered the price of their WSG card for the X32/M32 desks to $299.
Now, if they'd just lower the Impact server back to the $700 it used to be...