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Title: IEM Transmitter/Receiver and/or Mic Transmitter
Post by: Justin Goodman on January 24, 2019, 08:45:06 am
Is there a current lineup from any manufacturer where IEM receivers will be compatible with portable transmitters?

Basically I'm looking for a cross compatible system to be able to run point to point audio EITHER from a rack-mounted transmitter OR from something like a powered speaker output to velcro up a battery powered transmitter as well. All the receivers will be battery powered. Ideally I'd like all the gear to be cross compatible so they can be deployed as needed vs an IEM system and then a separate ENG kit for battery powered point to point. 

I know the UR1/UR5 and PSM900 play nice together, but UR1 and UR5 are discontinued and hard to find replacements for in the case of UR5, so it's not really a viable long term plan should anything need to be replaced. 

I think the Senn evolution stuff is cross compatible, maybe? I do prefer Shure stuff generally as I find the Sennheiser squelch/pilot tone to not work super well which is an issue for having remote speakers with amps wide open. 

Can I use a P9RA with a UR1 and/or other Shure bodypack transmitter?  Not as familiar with Lectrosonics lineup ... anything that might work there? 

Thanks for any suggestions that might point me in the right direction!

Editing to add: I'm looking for:
-1 Rackmount transmitter
-1 Battery powered transmitter
-3 Battery powered receivers
... and the ideal budget for the above 5pcs is <$3500-4k. 
Title: Re: IEM Transmitter/Receiver and/or Mic Transmitter
Post by: Keith Broughton on January 24, 2019, 10:53:27 am


I think the Senn evolution stuff is cross compatible, maybe? I do prefer Shure stuff generally as I find the Sennheiser squelch/pilot tone to not work super well which is an issue for having remote speakers with amps wide open. 



Editing to add: I'm looking for:
-1 Rackmount transmitter
-1 Battery powered transmitter
-3 Battery powered receivers
... and the ideal budget for the above 5pcs is <$3500-4k.
The Sennheiser EW G series will do this. I have not had any pilot tone/squelch problems doing a point to point.
Title: Re: IEM Transmitter/Receiver and/or Mic Transmitter
Post by: Dave Garoutte on January 24, 2019, 12:19:29 pm
The Sennheiser EW G series will do this. I have not had any pilot tone/squelch problems doing a point to point.
+1
Title: Re: IEM Transmitter/Receiver and/or Mic Transmitter
Post by: brian maddox on January 24, 2019, 06:13:06 pm
The Sennheiser EW G series will do this. I have not had any pilot tone/squelch problems doing a point to point.

They actually sell a beltpack style receiver that looks identical to the beltpack transmitter.  They get used for ENG rigs quite a lot.  The half rack rackmount unit is of course compatible as well.

It's good stuff and very cost effective.

If you want to spend more money, there are Lectrosonics solutions that will meet your criteria.

Title: Re: IEM Transmitter/Receiver and/or Mic Transmitter
Post by: Justin Goodman on January 24, 2019, 09:29:31 pm
Thanks all. So the SR300 IEM transmitter is compatible with the EK100 receiver out of the box such that BOTH a EK300IEM receiver AND an EK100 receiver could receive the same signal?

As much as I have reservations about the squelch, this is like a $1500 solution vs what looks like $6-7k for a Lectrosonics set up. 
Title: Re: IEM Transmitter/Receiver and/or Mic Transmitter
Post by: brian maddox on January 24, 2019, 10:14:22 pm
Thanks all. So the SR300 IEM transmitter is compatible with the EK100 receiver out of the box such that BOTH a EK300IEM receiver AND an EK100 receiver could receive the same signal?

As much as I have reservations about the squelch, this is like a $1500 solution vs what looks like $6-7k for a Lectrosonics set up.

Yes.  You'd be operating in Mono Mode without the pilot tone.  The Companding scheme is the same. 

The transmit power is not as high as the Lectrosonics/Shure solutions, so this would not be ideal for a situation where you need to send the signal long distances, but for reasonable distances [100 feet or so] this should be fine.
Title: Re: IEM Transmitter/Receiver and/or Mic Transmitter
Post by: Mike Caldwell on January 25, 2019, 07:46:25 am
The Sennheiser EW IEM transmitter with an EW wireless mic receiver works great. I have a couple of the EW IEM systems and an older dual IEM transmitter transmitter unit.

With good antennas at each end I have done 1600' line of site.
Title: Re: IEM Transmitter/Receiver and/or Mic Transmitter
Post by: Keith Broughton on January 25, 2019, 09:25:39 am
Thanks all. So the SR300 IEM transmitter is compatible with the EK100 receiver out of the box such that BOTH a EK300IEM receiver AND an EK100 receiver could receive the same signal?

As much as I have reservations about the squelch, this is like a $1500 solution vs what looks like $6-7k for a Lectrosonics set up.
When using the rack mount TX/RX you have the advantage of different antenna solutions for better range.
The rack mount IEM TX will allow for a different antenna but the beltpack receiver is a fixed antenna. Should still work well.
I have used an IEM TX with a "paddle" antenna sending to a receiver with a 1/4 wave antenna and it was rock solid out to 500'.
Title: Re: IEM Transmitter/Receiver and/or Mic Transmitter
Post by: brian maddox on January 25, 2019, 10:11:55 am
The Sennheiser EW IEM transmitter with an EW wireless mic receiver works great. I have a couple of the EW IEM systems and an older dual IEM transmitter transmitter unit.

With good antennas at each end I have done 1600' line of site.

I was being cautious wrt distance but there you have it. Real world experience. Sounds like itís a great choice.
Title: Re: IEM Transmitter/Receiver and/or Mic Transmitter
Post by: Jens Palm Bacher on January 25, 2019, 01:50:02 pm
Is there a current lineup from any manufacturer where IEM receivers will be compatible with portable transmitters?

Basically I'm looking for a cross compatible system to be able to run point to point audio EITHER from a rack-mounted transmitter OR from something like a powered speaker output to velcro up a battery powered transmitter as well. All the receivers will be battery powered. Ideally I'd like all the gear to be cross compatible so they can be deployed as needed vs an IEM system and then a separate ENG kit for battery powered point to point. 

I know the UR1/UR5 and PSM900 play nice together, but UR1 and UR5 are discontinued and hard to find replacements for in the case of UR5, so it's not really a viable long term plan should anything need to be replaced. 

I think the Senn evolution stuff is cross compatible, maybe? I do prefer Shure stuff generally as I find the Sennheiser squelch/pilot tone to not work super well which is an issue for having remote speakers with amps wide open. 

Can I use a P9RA with a UR1 and/or other Shure bodypack transmitter?  Not as familiar with Lectrosonics lineup ... anything that might work there? 

Thanks for any suggestions that might point me in the right direction!

Editing to add: I'm looking for:
-1 Rackmount transmitter
-1 Battery powered transmitter
-3 Battery powered receivers
... and the ideal budget for the above 5pcs is <$3500-4k.
Wisycom MTK52 / MPR51 /
https://wisycom.com/products/product/mpr51-eng/ receiver
https://wisycom.com/products/product/mtp40s/ transmitter
https://wisycom.com/products/product/mtk952/ rack transmitter
Title: Re: IEM Transmitter/Receiver and/or Mic Transmitter
Post by: Rob Spence on January 25, 2019, 02:27:00 pm
The Sennheiser EW IEM transmitter with an EW wireless mic receiver works great. I have a couple of the EW IEM systems and an older dual IEM transmitter transmitter unit.

With good antennas at each end I have done 1600' line of site.

I also use this for remote speakers. I use a paddle at each end. Rock solid several hundred feet out.



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Title: Re: IEM Transmitter/Receiver and/or Mic Transmitter
Post by: Mike Caldwell on January 25, 2019, 06:27:59 pm
I also use this for remote speakers. I use a paddle at each end. Rock solid several hundred feet out.



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I use my IEM equipment as much if not more for remote audio as I do for actual IEM use. Oh I wish more bands would use IEM's!!!!
Title: Re: IEM Transmitter/Receiver and/or Mic Transmitter
Post by: Justin Goodman on January 27, 2019, 08:10:02 pm
Wisycom MTK52 / MPR51 /
https://wisycom.com/products/product/mpr51-eng/ receiver
https://wisycom.com/products/product/mtp40s/ transmitter
https://wisycom.com/products/product/mtk952/ rack transmitter

Thanks -- does look right on target! Not as familiar with Wisycom but pricing looks comparable to Lectro. Anyone able to offer a comparison on quality? Another concern I have always is will re-sale value be worse than something Lectro/Senn with less name recognition?

Lastly, anyone have any experience with Sony ENG stuff?  Price/feature ratio is very solid, and Sony is not some no-name brand...  72MHz tunable bandwidth, 5mw/30mw output, true diversity reception, and actually the ability to receive 2 different transmitters in a single rx (don't foresee using this function but it's a neat trick...)
Title: Re: IEM Transmitter/Receiver and/or Mic Transmitter
Post by: Jens Palm Bacher on January 28, 2019, 08:31:06 am
Thanks -- does look right on target! Not as familiar with Wisycom but pricing looks comparable to Lectro. Anyone able to offer a comparison on quality? Another concern I have always is will re-sale value be worse than something Lectro/Senn with less name recognition?

Lastly, anyone have any experience with Sony ENG stuff?  Price/feature ratio is very solid, and Sony is not some no-name brand...  72MHz tunable bandwidth, 5mw/30mw output, true diversity reception, and actually the ability to receive 2 different transmitters in a single rx (don't foresee using this function but it's a neat trick...)
The national broadcaster here have 1000+ channels of Wisycom, quality and range is excellent compared to all other analogue systems.
Menu and software not as user friendly compared to Shure, so you need to read a manual :-)
They also do 2 channel battery receivers like https://wisycom.com/products/product/mpr52-eng/ and https://wisycom.com/products/product/mcr41s-42s/
Title: Re: IEM Transmitter/Receiver and/or Mic Transmitter
Post by: Keith Broughton on January 28, 2019, 08:40:44 am
Thanks -- does look right on target! Not as familiar with Wisycom but pricing looks comparable to Lectro. Anyone able to offer a comparison on quality? Another concern I have always is will re-sale value be worse than something Lectro/Senn with less name recognition?

Lastly, anyone have any experience with Sony ENG stuff?  Price/feature ratio is very solid, and Sony is not some no-name brand...  72MHz tunable bandwidth, 5mw/30mw output, true diversity reception, and actually the ability to receive 2 different transmitters in a single rx (don't foresee using this function but it's a neat trick...)
I have some Sony in the ENG kit and it works very well. As for re-sale, it would not have as wide a market as Senn but for ENG or location audio, it's well known brand.
There are single and dual channel receiver options. The dual is quite pricey!