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Title: 1u Li-Fe UPS
Post by: Andrew Broughton on December 14, 2018, 12:01:38 pm
1u
<20" depth

Li-Fe battery
Bonus points if there's one out there with a convenience receptacle on the front


Anything out there?
Title: Re: 1u Li-Fe UPS
Post by: Weogo Reed on December 30, 2018, 12:16:09 pm
Hi Andy,

Not what you are looking for, but might be of interest:
 
 https://www.apc.com/shop/us/en/products/APC-Back-UPS-Pro-500-Lithium-Ion-UPS/P-BG500

Good health,  Weogo
Title: Re: 1u Li-Fe UPS
Post by: Steven A. White on December 30, 2018, 12:57:46 pm
1u
<20" depth

Li-Fe battery
Bonus points if there's one out there with a convenience receptacle on the front

Anything out there?

Intended usage?
Title: Re: 1u Li-Fe UPS
Post by: Andrew Broughton on December 31, 2018, 12:18:10 pm
Hi Andy,

Not what you are looking for, but might be of interest:
 
 https://www.apc.com/shop/us/en/products/APC-Back-UPS-Pro-500-Lithium-Ion-UPS/P-BG500 (https://www.apc.com/shop/us/en/products/APC-Back-UPS-Pro-500-Lithium-Ion-UPS/P-BG500)

Good health,  Weogo

I saw that one. It's nice and small, but I'm looking for 1u rackmount. Not sure if the battery can be swapped for Li-Fe either.
Title: Re: 1u Li-Fe UPS
Post by: Andrew Broughton on December 31, 2018, 12:20:07 pm
Intended usage?
To use for my C1500. Basically a power strip - lightweight but with a few minutes of safety, and I prefer LiFe over Li-Ion especially when travelling.
Title: Re: 1u Li-Fe UPS
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on January 08, 2019, 03:44:55 pm
Having been screwed on a rehearsal recording this past weekend, when the idiot house guys killed power to my rack (ironically in the House I used to work in); Iím now looking for a similar solution.

1U rack mount, Lithium, UPS with 7 outlets.

Did you find anything Andy?


Tripplite makes some 1U rack mount UPSs, but they donít have Lithium batteries. And they look fairly expensive.
Title: Re: 1u Li-Fe UPS
Post by: Tim McCulloch on January 08, 2019, 05:46:40 pm
Having been screwed on a rehearsal recording this past weekend, when the idiot house guys killed power to my rack (ironically in the House I used to work in); Iím now looking for a similar solution.

1U rack mount, Lithium, UPS with 7 outlets.

Did you find anything Andy?


Tripplite makes some 1U rack mount UPSs, but they donít have Lithium batteries. And they look fairly expensive.

Did you or your client suffer any financial loss as a result?  On whose payroll was the electrician?  I ask because if the City, they should be insured for stuff like this; if it was your client who hired the electrician, such loss might be covered by the client's Errors and Omissions insurance.
Title: Re: 1u Li-Fe UPS
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on January 08, 2019, 07:22:40 pm
Did you or your client suffer any financial loss as a result?  On whose payroll was the electrician?  I ask because if the City, they should be insured for stuff like this; if it was your client who hired the electrician, such loss might be covered by the client's Errors and Omissions insurance.


Lol, Oh Tim...you sure are funny.


Since I left the whole place has become a giant cluster. It was a combination of a guy working for the city, plus the casual labor guy that the house hired to cover the vacant house audio job since I left. No financial loss, no. And the concert recording went fine. Just kind of pissed me off that I look up and my rack had rebooted and I wasn't getting any signal to my computer. They had unplugged power, or hit the power switch on my rack by mistake while trying to suss out why the program feed to the lobbies, booth and back stage wasn't working. (All of which always worked with no effort whatsoever, while I was working there, btw).
Title: Re: 1u Li-Fe UPS
Post by: Tim McCulloch on January 08, 2019, 08:48:17 pm

Lol, Oh Tim...you sure are funny.


Since I left the whole place has become a giant cluster. It was a combination of a guy working for the city, plus the casual labor guy that the house hired to cover the vacant house audio job since I left. No financial loss, no. And the concert recording went fine. Just kind of pissed me off that I look up and my rack had rebooted and I wasn't getting any signal to my computer. They had unplugged power, or hit the power switch on my rack by mistake while trying to suss out why the program feed to the lobbies, booth and back stage wasn't working. (All of which always worked with no effort whatsoever, while I was working there, btw).

I remember when my local PAC had fully working intercoms, green room, lobby & dressing room feeds, but I'm one of the gray beards.

As for losses, my thinking was along the lines of having to keep the performers & crew (in overtime, potentially) to re-record, etc.
Title: Re: 1u Li-Fe UPS
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on January 08, 2019, 09:20:10 pm
As for losses, my thinking was along the lines of having to keep the performers & crew (in overtime, potentially) to re-record, etc.
It was just a test recording during their rehearsal and I already had my levels pretty much set. The concert the next night went off without a hitch. Had they done the same during the show, we would be in legal discussions already.
Title: Re: 1u Li-Fe UPS
Post by: Andrew Broughton on January 08, 2019, 09:29:53 pm
Did you find anything Andy?
Not what I was looking for, unfortunately. I may have to settle for the P-BG500 and a 1u power strip, or find a 1u UPS that I like and swap out the battery for one of these (https://www.backupbatterypower.com/blogs/news/new-10-20-year-life-drop-in-replacement-lithium-lifepo4-batteries-work-with-almost-any-brand-of-ups-battery-backup).

My current favourite value UPS manufacturer atm is CyberPower (https://www.cyberpowersystems.com).
Title: Re: 1u Li-Fe UPS
Post by: Chris Hindle on January 09, 2019, 08:17:10 am
Not what I was looking for, unfortunately. I may have to settle for the P-BG500 and a 1u power strip, or find a 1u UPS that I like and swap out the battery for one of these (https://www.backupbatterypower.com/blogs/news/new-10-20-year-life-drop-in-replacement-lithium-lifepo4-batteries-work-with-almost-any-brand-of-ups-battery-backup).

My current favourite value UPS manufacturer atm is CyberPower (https://www.cyberpowersystems.com).
Be very careful with that Andrew. The inbuilt charger may not properly handle a non-SLA battery.......
Chris.

Edit: OK, I read the link. Very interesting.
Title: Re: 1u Li-Fe UPS
Post by: Tim McCulloch on January 09, 2019, 10:03:11 am
Not what I was looking for, unfortunately. I may have to settle for the P-BG500 and a 1u power strip, or find a 1u UPS that I like and swap out the battery for one of these (https://www.backupbatterypower.com/blogs/news/new-10-20-year-life-drop-in-replacement-lithium-lifepo4-batteries-work-with-almost-any-brand-of-ups-battery-backup).

My current favourite value UPS manufacturer atm is CyberPower (https://www.cyberpowersystems.com).


Those LiFePO4 batteries will not fit in a 1 RU UPS.  Other than that those look very interesting.
Title: Re: 1u Li-Fe UPS
Post by: Andrew Broughton on January 09, 2019, 02:35:23 pm
Those LiFePO4 batteries will not fit in a 1 RU UPS.  Other than that those look very interesting.
Right? Pretty sad that in 2019 that companies are still using Lead-Acid batteries in their UPS devices.