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Title: 4x4 zone mixer recommendations
Post by: Bradford "BJ" James on December 10, 2018, 12:30:38 pm
Looking for recommendations on a replacement for a failing Samson S-Zone. Will have to be a similar form factor as the S-Zone ie physical buttons.
Thanks. BJ
Title: Re: 4x4 zone mixer recommendations
Post by: Nathan Riddle on December 10, 2018, 03:59:57 pm
Looking for recommendations on a replacement for a failing Samson S-Zone. Will have to be a similar form factor as the S-Zone ie physical buttons.
Thanks. BJ

Does the Rolls 424 unit meet the criteria?

RM424 Four Zone Mixer
http://www.rolls.com/product.php?pid=RM424
Title: Re: 4x4 zone mixer recommendations
Post by: Craig Hauber on December 10, 2018, 04:24:37 pm
Looking for recommendations on a replacement for a failing Samson S-Zone. Will have to be a similar form factor as the S-Zone ie physical buttons.
Thanks. BJ
Is the Samson no longer available?
Ideally a dbx zonepro (with a panel of ZC's)
-but if that's overkill then look at the Rolls RM424
or if you have additional rack space available then a Cloud Z4
Title: Re: 4x4 zone mixer recommendations
Post by: Bradford "BJ" James on December 12, 2018, 12:35:35 pm
Thanks. I ended up just ordering another S-Zone. 1st one lasted 7+ years in hostile conditions so I can't complain too much.
Title: Re: 4x4 zone mixer recommendations
Post by: Craig Hauber on December 12, 2018, 03:30:48 pm
Thanks. I ended up just ordering another S-Zone. 1st one lasted 7+ years in hostile conditions so I can't complain too much.
Curious if you have an assessment of what failed on it?
It is an interesting piece that I've encountered a few times before that seems to fit a much-needed niche between standard paging amps and full-on DSP setups.
Another similar one was a Numark piece (they only made once) that ended-up in quite a few SoCal gin-mills I service regularly and have been wanting to upgrade (RM-6 I think)
Title: Re: 4x4 zone mixer recommendations
Post by: Tim Hite on December 13, 2018, 03:59:34 pm
I put an S-Zone in a bar a couple years ago because the feature set was right. So was the price. Owner is an audio pro and didn't like the Samson name but was in love with it by the time I got everything working. 7+ years is a pretty good ROI for something like this. Set aside $5/month for the next replacement.

I'd have pointed out the A&H GR05 but that costs twice as much and won't do what the Samson does. Also has pro connectors, which is another hassle for integration.

Thanks. I ended up just ordering another S-Zone. 1st one lasted 7+ years in hostile conditions so I can't complain too much.

Yeah Craig, there is nothing else on the market with the S-Zone feature set. I looked for over a month trying to fine something more upmarket that would do the job without resorting to a $2500+ DSP matrix mixer that was totally overkill.

The Samson has just about everything you could think of to be useful in a small bar/restaurant situation without breaking the bank or requiring a bunch of programming and integration.

Curious if you have an assessment of what failed on it?
It is an interesting piece that I've encountered a few times before that seems to fit a much-needed niche between standard paging amps and full-on DSP setups.
Another similar one was a Numark piece (they only made once) that ended-up in quite a few SoCal gin-mills I service regularly and have been wanting to upgrade (RM-6 I think)
Title: Re: 4x4 zone mixer recommendations
Post by: John L Nobile on December 13, 2018, 06:13:47 pm
That S-Zone looks very interesting. It would replace a lot of useless install gear an AV company oversold us years ago and be much easier to operate. 
Title: Re: 4x4 zone mixer recommendations
Post by: Bradford "BJ" James on December 17, 2018, 05:57:03 pm
Curious if you have an assessment of what failed on it?
It is an interesting piece that I've encountered a few times before that seems to fit a much-needed niche between standard paging amps and full-on DSP setups.
The failure is a hum through the outputs, all outputs showing full clip with no input signal applied, and non functioning onboard monitor speaker. Good possibility of some operator abuse, but will send the faulty unit in for service to find out what happened. The replacement is here all ready to swap out.
Yes, it is a neat little unit at a fair price. No complaints really.
Title: Re: 4x4 zone mixer recommendations
Post by: Mike Caldwell on December 19, 2018, 07:46:56 am
The failure is a hum through the outputs, all outputs showing full clip with no input signal applied, and non functioning onboard monitor speaker. Good possibility of some operator abuse, but will send the faulty unit in for service to find out what happened. The replacement is here all ready to swap out.
Yes, it is a neat little unit at a fair price. No complaints really.

I'm guessing the power supply lost a rail. The supply may just need to be re-capped. Maybe worth taking a look at to repair and have a back up.

ART has some similar units.
 I understand the value of a direct drop in replacement and no operator retraining.
Title: Re: 4x4 zone mixer recommendations
Post by: Bradford "BJ" James on December 19, 2018, 03:25:22 pm
I'm guessing the power supply lost a rail. The supply may just need to be re-capped. Maybe worth taking a look at to repair and have a back up.

ART has some similar units.
I understand the value of a direct drop in replacement and no operator retraining.
Bingo.
Title: Re: 4x4 zone mixer recommendations
Post by: Robert Healey on December 20, 2018, 10:56:23 am
Looking for recommendations on a replacement for a failing Samson S-Zone. Will have to be a similar form factor as the S-Zone ie physical buttons.
Thanks. BJ

I'm late to this one since it seems like you had a good solution - but would this have worked?

https://www.allen-heath.com/ahproducts/gr4/
Title: Re: 4x4 zone mixer recommendations
Post by: Tim Hite on December 20, 2018, 11:02:07 am
Depends on the application. I think the Samson was chosen in this case for drop in replacement.

When I did an install with a Samson the A&H wasn't out yet and didn't have quite the same features so I used a Samson. IIRC something to do with how the paging dimming worked on the Samson.

I'm late to this one since it seems like you had a good solution - but would this have worked?

https://www.allen-heath.com/ahproducts/gr4/
Title: Re: 4x4 zone mixer recommendations
Post by: Bradford "BJ" James on January 12, 2019, 10:10:47 pm
Indeed, the problem was the power supply. Having it repaired so Iíll have an in stock backup.