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Title: New Midas console?
Post by: Matt Greiner on October 04, 2018, 03:01:09 pm
Has anyone on here heard anything about a new Midas console?  With the recent price drop in the M32, the discontinuing of some of the Pro consoles, and a "leaked" photo online, it seems to add up.  I realize that there are probably NDA's that would have had to be signed by dealers/beta testers if true, but wondering if there is any info floating around unofficially.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Helge A Bentsen on October 04, 2018, 04:39:21 pm
Has anyone on here heard anything about a new Midas console?  With the recent price drop in the M32, the discontinuing of some of the Pro consoles, and a "leaked" photo online, it seems to add up.  I realize that there are probably NDA's that would have had to be signed by dealers/beta testers if true, but wondering if there is any info floating around unofficially.

Rumours about a new console from Midas have been floating around for more than a year IIRC.

I think they should get around to releasing one, Iím ready to pick up a used Pro2c when people start to replace them. My favorite mixing desk for music.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on October 04, 2018, 10:23:41 pm
Lots of unofficial and probably wrong info, but expect new products from several manufacturers.  The symptoms of impending product birth?....

Midas started the Pro series blow out over a year ago, and about 10 months ago Midas would do almost anything if you'd take delivery on a Pro X package before Dec 31.

Soundcraft was quietly phasing out certain models and would cut a major deal on a vi3000 if you were ordering a bunch of JBL or Crown.

Avid introduced cut down surface options for the S6L but they still have a big gap between those and the S3L.  I'm hoping there's an S4L waiting in the wings...

Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Caleb Dueck on October 05, 2018, 12:04:05 am
Latest info/rumors - X32 replacement and new Midas (Heritage D or whatever the name), 2019 launch.  Midas was in beta testing at a large venue down under. 

I haven't touched either first-hand, but based on the source - I'm leaning toward "likely" rather than "speculation".   

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Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Daniel Levi on October 05, 2018, 03:20:40 am
Remember also the reason why the Pro3/6/9 was discontinued is due to it not being able to be upgraded to a PROX/incompatible with the NEUTRON DSP. The pro1 being self-contained and the pro2 being upgradeable (as it's a newer product I am assuming) ia why they have not been discontinued.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Caleb Dueck on October 05, 2018, 09:12:33 am
Remember also the reason why the Pro3/6/9 was discontinued is due to it not being able to be upgraded to a PROX/incompatible with the NEUTRON DSP. The pro1 being self-contained and the pro2 being upgradeable (as it's a newer product I am assuming) ia why they have not been discontinued.
The Pro1/2 are both old architecture, but not quite as old as 3/6/9.  As far as I know they can't be upgraded to Neutron.

There are currently/near future two basic cores with various packaging/surface.  Neutron (Pro-X surface, 96kHz) and X32 (X32, M32, and derivative surfaces, 48kHz). 

Speculation - new Midas surface built around the Neutron core at the Pro2-ish price point.  New Behringer/Midas surface built on updated X32 core at Pro1-ish price point. 

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Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Nick Andrews on October 05, 2018, 12:31:37 pm
The Pro1/2 are both old architecture, but not quite as old as 3/6/9.  As far as I know they can't be upgraded to Neutron.

There are currently/near future two basic cores with various packaging/surface.  Neutron (Pro-X surface, 96kHz) and X32 (X32, M32, and derivative surfaces, 48kHz). 

Speculation - new Midas surface built around the Neutron core at the Pro2-ish price point.  New Behringer/Midas surface built on updated X32 core at Pro1-ish price point. 

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I really hope Midas and behringer can deliver a product that can compete with Allen and Heaths DLive series in sound quality and power. They really need to make sure that the bus count can compete with a Dlive system ... along with the fx rack, otherwise allen and heath may get my money next year. Only issue is the dlive remote apps fall short compared to the m32 / x32 app. Which is kind of a big deal for an audio provider of my size.

I also really hope they change the block of 8 routing structure... multiband compressors available on all channels and buses? Graphics and parametrics on all buses , a beefier version of ultranet? built in Dante? I guess we will find out soon enough!

Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Thomas Le on October 05, 2018, 12:40:22 pm
I really hope Midas and behringer can deliver a product that can compete with Allen and Heaths DLive series in sound quality and power. They really need to make sure that the bus count can compete with a Dlive system ... along with the fx rack, otherwise allen and heath may get my money next year. Only issue is the dlive remote apps fall short compared to the m32 / x32 app. Which is kind of a big deal for an audio provider of my size.

I also really hope they change the block of 8 routing structure... multiband compressors available on all channels and buses? Graphics and parametrics on all buses , a beefier version of ultranet? built in Dante? I guess we will find out soon enough!



This may sound stupid but if they can get 96kHz on x32/m32 v2 (and maybe double channel count) while keeping the price point, then it's another hot seller.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Nick Andrews on October 05, 2018, 12:48:13 pm
This may sound stupid but if they can get 96kHz on x32/m32 v2 (and maybe double channel count) while keeping the price point, then it's another hot seller.

yea a higher channel count and bus count x32 / m32 would be cool with me. Quite simply , I am doing more and more gigs with In ear monitor rigs these days, and it eats my buses for breakfast. By the time I create stem sub mixes for drums, string sections, choirs, so on I'm out of gas. Also being able to to have buses mono or stereo is very slick , like the SQ. Very very helpful.

More channels of automix would be helpful.... 8 channels is lame! =)
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on October 05, 2018, 01:34:27 pm
This may sound stupid but if they can get 96kHz on x32/m32 v2 (and maybe double channel count) while keeping the price point, then it's another hot seller.

96K would be marketing hype for live use.  Frankly NOBODY hears a difference in the sound coming from the PA that can be attributed *solely* to sample rate.

Lowering latency for IEM use is another matter but for many users is not an issue, either.

Use for recording is off-topic to the live forums except as a value-added service.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on October 05, 2018, 01:35:24 pm
yea a higher channel count and bus count x32 / m32 would be cool with me. Quite simply , I am doing more and more gigs with In ear monitor rigs these days, and it eats my buses for breakfast. By the time I create stem sub mixes for drums, string sections, choirs, so on I'm out of gas. Also being able to to have buses mono or stereo is very slick , like the SQ. Very very helpful.

More channels of automix would be helpful.... 8 channels is lame! =)

That all means you bought the wrong console the first time around.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Peter Morris on October 05, 2018, 10:03:45 pm
I really hope Midas and behringer can deliver a product that can compete with Allen and Heaths DLive series in sound quality and power. They really need to make sure that the bus count can compete with a Dlive system ... along with the fx rack, otherwise allen and heath may get my money next year. Only issue is the dlive remote apps fall short compared to the m32 / x32 app. Which is kind of a big deal for an audio provider of my size.

I also really hope they change the block of 8 routing structure... multiband compressors available on all channels and buses? Graphics and parametrics on all buses , a beefier version of ultranet? built in Dante? I guess we will find out soon enough!

I don't understand why anybody would have an issue with the dLive MixPad or its companion OneMix.  You can adjust every thing - gain, EQ, GEQ, gates, compressors, DCA, Groups, names etc.

I think the app's by most manufactures are fine and do exactly what we need. You can also operate and program the desk with the Editor software on your computer, in fact you can replace the desk with one or even 2 touch screens and a computer.

I also don't think its appropriate in the pro world to be relying on a domestic 2.4/5 GHz ipad connection and for the app to be able to make show stopping changes such as configuring the desk ... way too may things to go wrong, may be OK for small bar band work etc. but ...

Regarding the new Midas - I suspect it will be a serious competitor to the dLive in terms of price and performance and will be similar in power/channel count to the ProX.  As a GUESS it will still use AES 50 and the existing racks.  I also suspect they will release a new M32 type of desk.  By doing that and having a couple of different surface sizes Midas will basically have the whole market space covered with 2 desks when considered along with the offerings from Behringer.   
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Caleb Dueck on October 05, 2018, 11:32:27 pm
In 2019 - will the brand name "Midas" imply top level, King Midas golden touch?  Or will it imply "super-Behringer"? 

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Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Andrew Broughton on October 06, 2018, 01:37:31 am
I don't understand why anybody would have an issue with the dLive MixPad or its companion OneMix.  You can adjust every thing - gain, EQ, GEQ, gates, compressors, DCA, Groups, names etc.
Once you're used to Yamaha's StageMix and then step it up to the X/M32 Mix app (which is probably the best iPad app out there), it's very difficult to use the extremely limited MixPad app. There's plenty of work that needs to be done on that app to bring it close to the capabilities of the other manufacturer's apps. It's annoying that A&H doesn't take a look closer at the Yamaha and Behringer apps to see how it's done, because the sound, capabilities, features and value of the dLive is exceptional.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Peter Morris on October 06, 2018, 09:17:17 am
Once you're used to Yamaha's StageMix and then step it up to the X/M32 Mix app (which is probably the best iPad app out there), it's very difficult to use the extremely limited MixPad app. There's plenty of work that needs to be done on that app to bring it close to the capabilities of the other manufacturer's apps. It's annoying that A&H doesn't take a look closer at the Yamaha and Behringer apps to see how it's done, because the sound, capabilities, features and value of the dLive is exceptional.

FWIW I have StageMix, X32Mix, Midas Mixtender, iLive MixPad, dLive MixPad, dLive OneMix, SQ MixPad, SQ4You, Qu-Pad and Qu-Control on my iPad ... and I think they are all great.  I find the dLive and SQ apps very easy and logical to use. The latest dLive MixPad version 1.6 is much better than the first release.

I do realise that many people would like to control everything with an iPad but as Allen & Heath states "dLive MixPad is not intended for system set or memory access." .... and I think they are correct with that approach, although Im sure everyone else's mileage will differ.

I often do complex shows with 60 - 100 channels in which case I [or the shows engineer] will build a show file on the computer ahead of time. The dLive editor is great for that; it looks like and operates just like the desk. 

I also avoid mixing on an iPad, its so much better to mix on a real surface.... so much easier to grab a knob or fader and still keep your eyes on the stage for those critical moments compared to using an iPad. I see too many touring engineers staring at an iPad or computer screen and not really mixing.

I will use the iPad to help tune monitors or do a large mic up, or make small adjustments as you walk the venue . Occasionally for those small shows where you have to mix side of stage I will use an iPad to get out in front of the PA and adjust things.  One those occasions where I have done reasonable size shows [+1000 people] I have found that domestic WiFi link on an iPad not particularly reliable, certainly not something you would want to rely on for a live broadcast for example. Its fine at sound check ... and the audience arrive the venue turn on their free WiFi etc ...

The dLive is just great to use and operate. If the rumours I have heard are true, the new offerings from Midas will great as well  :)

 

Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Josh Hana on October 06, 2018, 12:52:53 pm
I've been hearing rumblings about it for the past year or so. I heard a few weeks ago from a friend that they're being used behind closed doors and may start getting out into the wild by February for field testing.

I was all for the Pro2 when they first came out, but had some very major and very scary issues with it, so I'm less enthusiastic these days. I still can't get over the fact that there are so many more options in the X32 than the Pro2. I've been nearly exclusively on the QL5/CL5 for the past year or two, and I feel like I have one hand tied behind my back when I get on a Pro2 these days. Only 6 FX slots, and I have to eat one of those if I want to insert a GEQ on a channel? Ugh.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Simon_Barrett on October 06, 2018, 05:47:05 pm
Speaking of the Midas and behringer apps for the computer... I have to say that I love the cross-platform-ness as they work on Linux natively. Whereas the other brands do not seem to have this.

Itís a shame as I would love to use a Linux machine to control an A&H console...


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Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Andrew Broughton on October 06, 2018, 10:38:46 pm
Speaking of the Midas and behringer apps for the computer... I have to say that I love the cross-platform-ness as they work on Linux natively. Whereas the other brands do not seem to have this..
Say what you want about Music Group, they have, hands-down, the best software/UI team there is. As I say, every company looking to make software to work with their console should have someone who's an expert in the Behringer stuff show them how it's done. The software is really the only let-down on the dLive.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: John Chiara on October 07, 2018, 03:07:15 am
FWIW I have StageMix, X32Mix, Midas Mixtender, iLive MixPad, dLive MixPad, dLive OneMix, SQ MixPad, SQ4You, Qu-Pad and Qu-Control on my iPad ... and I think they are all great.  I find the dLive and SQ apps very easy and logical to use. The latest dLive MixPad version 1.6 is much better than the first rhelease.

I do realise that many people would like to control everything with an iPad but as Allen & Heath states "dLive MixPad is not intended for system set or memory access." .... and I think they are correct with that approach, although I sure everyone else's mileage will differ.

I often do complex shows with 60 - 100 channels in which case I [or the shows engineer] will build a show file on the computer ahead of time. The dLive editor is great for that; it looks like and operates just like the desk. 

I also avoid mixing on an iPad, its so much better to mix on a real surface.... so much easier to grab a knob or fader and still keep your eyes on the stage for those critical moments compared to using an iPad. I see too many touring engineers staring at an iPad or computer screen and not really mixing.

I will use the iPad to help tune monitors or do a large mic up, or make small adjustments as you walk the venue . Occasionally for those small shows where you have to mix side of stage I will more or less mix on an iPad.  One those occasions where I have done reasonable size shows [+1000 people] I have found that domestic WiFi link on an iPad not particularly reliable, certainly not something you would want to rely on for a live broadcast for example. Its fine at sound check ... and the audience arrive the venue turn on their free WiFi etc ...

The dLive is just great to use and operate. If the rumours I have heard are true, the new offerings from Midas will great as well  :)

Hmmm...3 years ago I mixed 5 shows for live streaming from Lincoln Center...using an X-32, Beldin Router and an iPad...with the router behind a concrete wall and a steel
Door.
Not one dropout.
For one man operations, total control in the tablet is a must...and in a way you can actually mix on.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Robert Lofgren on October 07, 2018, 04:28:40 am
I remember when myself and Paul Vannatto fought to get the x32/m32 editor for the raspberry pi. This automatically gave us the intel linux version as they are the same code.

I recently learned that Reaper now has experimental builds for intel and arm7 linux. That is pretty cool!

The x32 is now 7 years old on the market. How long was the ls9, it must have been something similar?

One thing that I like about the approach behringer/midas uses is that they donít feel the need to come out with a new console every year or so and with that supports the product for a long time compared to some other companies that ditches previous products for the newer ones before even implementing announced features.

Behringer still have products that are +10 years in their catalog. That is pretty cool...

While Iím exited over what the future might have in its bag when it comes to mixers in general I have to admit that Iím pretty satisfied with what I have today and what it delivers. Anything new would just be the cherry on the top for me.

Speaking of the Midas and behringer apps for the computer... I have to say that I love the cross-platform-ness as they work on Linux natively. Whereas the other brands do not seem to have this.

Itís a shame as I would love to use a Linux machine to control an A&H console...


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Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Peter Morris on October 08, 2018, 01:26:55 am
Hmmm...3 years ago I mixed 5 shows for live streaming from Lincoln Center...using an X-32, Beldin Router and an iPad...with the router behind a concrete wall and a steel
Door.
Not one dropout.
For one man operations, total control in the tablet is a must...and in a way you can actually mix on.

I'm glad it worked for ... but I think you were lucky to get 2.4/5GHz to go reliably through a concrete wall / steel door.

The dLive does have full tablet/computer control of all functions, and full mix control of its functions on an iPad.

The desk set up is way more powerful and flexible than something like a M32, dare I say not even comparable. Its channel strip layout and bus structure are fully customizable. You can put any fader function anywhere you like, and you can determine what you would like the buses to do Ė EFX, Groups, Auxís, Stereo Auxís, Matrix, PFL etc. and you can run up to 4 surfaces on one mix rack / engine.

When you change the bus structure the desk needs to totally reconfigure itself and will not pass audio while doing so Ö These types of functions are not adjustable on your M32 and not something I want access to on an iPad.

It can run more than 800 channels on its network Ö and Ö and Ö Once you have delved into the advanced capabilities of this desk I canít imagine be able or wanting to adjust everything on an iPad, but you can certainly do all you need to adjust a mix on the app  :)

In terms of price, performance and quality I don't think there is anything currently on the market that can match the dLive ... but I'm expecting it to have some serious completion with some new offerings from Midas shortly and maybe some others.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Tim Padrick on October 12, 2018, 07:16:47 pm
Use for recording is off-topic to the live forums except as a value-added service.

On the contrary, virtual soundcheck can be a very useful tool.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on October 12, 2018, 08:28:06 pm
96K would be marketing hype for live use.  Frankly NOBODY hears a difference in the sound coming from the PA that can be attributed *solely* to sample rate.

Lowering latency for IEM use is another matter but for many users is not an issue, either.

Use for recording is off-topic to the live forums except as a value-added service.


There's a fairly long thread over on GS in the remote recording section looking for small mixers that will do 96k for live classical music recording. There's really nothing out there that fills that niche in any sort of affordable price point. The company that I have started doing symphony recordings with do live to two track mixing and a 24 channel mixer that does 96k would be very useful. If it fits in the $2-3 grand price range. They're not going to pay $12-15 for a 12 fader Digico.


If the M32 actually did 96k, I would probably buy one.


Whether anyone can discern a difference in sound quality between 96k and 48k is really irrelevant. If your client wants you to work at 96k and you have to tell them, "Sorry, none of my gear will do 96k. But it's okay, because you can't hear a difference anyway". You just lost the gig.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: boburtz on October 12, 2018, 09:50:38 pm
~  a 24 channel mixer that does 96k would be very useful. If it fits in the $2-3 grand price range.
A DM2000 can be had for less than that these days...
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on October 12, 2018, 11:00:39 pm

There's a fairly long thread over on GS in the remote recording section looking for small mixers that will do 96k for live classical music recording. There's really nothing out there that fills that niche in any sort of affordable price point. The company that I have started doing symphony recordings with do live to two track mixing and a 24 channel mixer that does 96k would be very useful. If it fits in the $2-3 grand price range. They're not going to pay $12-15 for a 12 fader Digico.


If the M32 actually did 96k, I would probably buy one.


Whether anyone can discern a difference in sound quality between 96k and 48k is really irrelevant. If your client wants you to work at 96k and you have to tell them, "Sorry, none of my gear will do 96k. But it's okay, because you can't hear a difference anyway". You just lost the gig.

If the recording is that critical then the live use is ancillary to that use.

As for selling what people think they want to buy one need only to look at Bose and Dell.. both do well by creating brand preference s.  I understand that many commercial decisions are not based in science, too.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Art Nadelman on October 13, 2018, 07:45:37 am

There's a fairly long thread over on GS in the remote recording section looking for small mixers that will do 96k for live classical music recording. There's really nothing out there that fills that niche in any sort of affordable price point. The company that I have started doing symphony recordings with do live to two track mixing and a 24 channel mixer that does 96k would be very useful. If it fits in the $2-3 grand price range. They're not going to pay $12-15 for a 12 fader Digico.


What about the Allen & Heath SQ line?  They are in that price range and can do up to 48 channels.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on October 13, 2018, 10:30:59 am
A DM2000 can be had for less than that these days...
I'm getting a DM2000 as part of another deal I'm working on. But they're kinda big and heavy for easy transport.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Matt Greiner on November 14, 2018, 02:58:49 pm
Just as a follow-up to this thread, I just saw a much more "real" photo on one of the M32 user groups.  Just wondering if there is any new information that anyone on here is able to share?
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Nathan Riddle on November 14, 2018, 04:02:41 pm
Just as a follow-up to this thread, I just saw a much more "real" photo on one of the M32 user groups.  Just wondering if there is any new information that anyone on here is able to share?

It's also in the ProX user group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2097152610517822/permalink/2291678551065226/)

Forum won't let me post an image.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Matt Greiner on November 14, 2018, 05:23:02 pm
It's also in the ProX user group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2097152610517822/permalink/2291678551065226/)

Forum won't let me post an image.

Yeah I just tried to as well, I got an error saying the upload folder is full.  I'll try again later.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Andrew Broughton on November 14, 2018, 05:40:36 pm
Here's a pic that looks pretty real...


(https://paforum.de/index.php?attachment/1379-heritaged-png/)
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Jeremy Young on November 14, 2018, 06:45:49 pm
That's one very large (touch)screen!   I can't imagine it being anywhere in the X32/M32 price territory, but I look forward to more info.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on November 14, 2018, 06:59:04 pm
Yeah I just tried to as well, I got an error saying the upload folder is full.  I'll try again later.
.    I get the same message too.  I found the uncropped picture of the one above but can't post I.   

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Gary Weller on November 14, 2018, 09:32:41 pm
That's one very large (touch)screen!   I can't imagine it being anywhere in the X32/M32 price territory, but I look forward to more info.

That's a Heritage D, not in anyway a new X32/M32 replacement.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Scott Holtzman on November 14, 2018, 10:41:04 pm
That's a Heritage D, not in anyway a new X32/M32 replacement.
Doesn't the screen look like Soundcraft V1 software,  this smells fishy to me.  Does anyone know Pope they can give him a buzz and get the scoop? 

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Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Tim Hite on November 15, 2018, 01:08:27 am
I was over to the MG service center in Vegas just before LDI. They said they were not allowed to say anything about any new Midas console that may or may not be announced around the first of the year. . .

Doesn't the screen look like Soundcraft V1 software,  this smells fishy to me.  Does anyone know Pope they can give him a buzz and get the scoop? 

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Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Kevin McDonough on November 15, 2018, 03:56:21 am
yeah, I've saw this pic pop up a couple of times on FB now, and one that was in a room in normal lighting rather than being all lit up at showtime. Seems Legit.

Mixed opinions, some people seem to like it, some people say too much like a glorified M32. But yeah, definitely intended for a much higher price point than M32, or I think even Pro1. Been told that the main rival it was going up against was the SD12, though obviously at that level you're also looking at the equivalent offerings from Yamaha, Avid, Allen & Heath, Soundcraft etc and even the slightly less common things like SSL and Cadac etc.

K
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Josh Dunaway on November 15, 2018, 07:39:38 am
yeah, I've saw this pic pop up a couple of times on FB now, and one that was in a room in normal lighting rather than being all lit up at showtime. Seems Legit.

Mixed opinions, some people seem to like it, some people say too much like a glorified M32. But yeah, definitely intended for a much higher price point than M32, or I think even Pro1. Been told that the main rival it was going up against was the SD12, though obviously at that level you're also looking at the equivalent offerings from Yamaha, Avid, Allen & Heath, Soundcraft etc and even the slightly less common things like SSL and Cadac etc.

K

From what I have read it would be more of a direct competitor to the S21 with a lower price point around $5k.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Michael Lascuola on November 15, 2018, 12:56:18 pm


Whether anyone can discern a difference in sound quality between 96k and 48k is really irrelevant. If your client wants you to work at 96k and you have to tell them, "Sorry, none of my gear will do 96k. But it's okay, because you can't hear a difference anyway". You just lost the gig.

Once again, live recording not withstanding, if one my clients said that, I probably don't want that gig.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Steve Litscher on November 15, 2018, 01:14:41 pm
Possibly related... something strange is going on with the Tribe, for sure.

My Full Compass rep offered me the M32 bundle deal back in October (discounted M32 with the free DL32). I bit on it and was told it would arrive in early November. I also ordered another X32 Rack to have for small "talking-head" gigs. I was told that would arrive "within a few days."

Just heard from my rep today... the M32 bundle isn't due to arrive until late January. And the X32 Rack is due to arrive "maybe in December."

He also indicated that it's taking forever to get repair parts from Tribe. I wonder what's going on over there?
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: lindsay Dean on November 15, 2018, 03:09:22 pm
  I don't understand why Behringer and all the 2000 to $5,000 consoles don't Supply an HDMI output where you could hook up your own. Video monitor, that will be a wonderful thing. I guess they're trying to save that $3.89 it might cost to upgrade to a bigger screen.
    I can almost guarantee that will one of the upgrades on the new console
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: TJ (Tom) Cornish on November 15, 2018, 04:58:44 pm
  I don't understand why Behringer and all the 2000 to $5,000 consoles don't Supply an HDMI output where you could hook up your own. Video monitor, that will be a wonderful thing. I guess they're trying to save that $3.89 it might cost to upgrade to a bigger screen.
    I can almost guarantee that will one of the upgrades on the new console
The $3.00 HDMI port isn't the issue; the work is coding that functionality.  What does it do?  Is it just a mirror of the onboard screen?  Is it a second screen?  Is it touch-sensitive?  Multi-touch or single-touch?  Screen resolution scaling?

Adding features in software is more difficult than us users often give manufacturers credit for.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Nathan Riddle on November 15, 2018, 05:33:18 pm
  I don't understand why Behringer and all the 2000 to $5,000 consoles don't Supply an HDMI output where you could hook up your own. Video monitor, that will be a wonderful thing. I guess they're trying to save that $3.89 it might cost to upgrade to a bigger screen.
    I can almost guarantee that will one of the upgrades on the new console

Shuttle XPC nano with Android & touchscreen monitor...
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Steve Payne on November 15, 2018, 07:27:31 pm
Doesn't the screen look like Soundcraft V1 software,  this smells fishy to me.  Does anyone know Pope they can give him a buzz and get the scoop? 

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The screen looks nothing like Soundcraft Vi.  Zero.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Scott Holtzman on November 15, 2018, 07:36:49 pm
The screen looks nothing like Soundcraft Vi.  Zero.

Thanks for clearing that up Steve, I know you are huge Soundcraft shop.  Hopefully the picture is not photoshopped and we will have a new offering from Midas to consider next year.

Regards....
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Mac Kerr on November 15, 2018, 08:05:43 pm
Thanks for clearing that up Steve, I know you are huge Soundcraft shop.  Hopefully the picture is not photoshopped and we will have a new offering from Midas to consider next year.

It's probably time for a new Midas console, but if it's called "Heritage D" that might imply it's a digital replacement for the analog Heritage. The analog Heritage was a $80,000 console. I think it may be to get better traction in the touring market where the Heritage 3000 ruled than they have been able to get with the ProX. I would not expect it to be a sub $5,000 console. Or sub $20,000.

Mac
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on November 15, 2018, 08:25:37 pm
Once again, live recording not withstanding, if one my clients said that, I probably don't want that gig.
Tell that to all the big name Broadway sound designers, and Las Vegas style production show designers that are making piles of cash designing systems and shows that run at 96k and even 192k.


Once I get my remote recording truck built out, Iíll be able to do 40 channels at 96k or 64 at 48k (or 48 channels if I decide to buy a third MY16-AUD card for my DM2000 to get that last 8 channels at 96k).


Itís all about options. ďYes, I can do your gig at 96k with 40 channels, or l can do 64 at 48k. Which would you like?Ē
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: TJ (Tom) Cornish on November 15, 2018, 10:35:33 pm
Tell that to all the big name Broadway sound designers, and Las Vegas style production show designers that are making piles of cash designing systems and shows that run at 96k and even 192k.


Once I get my remote recording truck built out, Iíll be able to do 40 channels at 96k or 64 at 48k (or 48 channels if I decide to buy a third MY16-AUD card for my DM2000 to get that last 8 channels at 96k).


Itís all about options. ďYes, I can do your gig at 96k with 40 channels, or l can do 64 at 48k. Which would you like?Ē
I find myself in the middle of the 96KHz issue.   I have performed through a DM2000 but have never run one, but this desk is the same generation as my 01v96 boards.  My current boards are Allen & Heath GLD mixers that ďonlyĒ run at 48KHz, but they sure do sound a lot better than my 01v96 boards at 48KHz or 96KHz. 

If the client specifically asks for 96KHz, then by all means give it to them.  If they want it to sound good, maybe thatís not the only factor.

Which outboard preamps are you using?  My memory is fuzzy, but I seem to remember some differences in sound between the two generations of outboard preamps - the AD8HR and the other one.  One was part of the PM1D platform I think, and one was newer?
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Robert Lofgren on November 16, 2018, 03:27:33 am
I asked around and got the word that are they are simply "sold out" due to the recent discount campaign and that they can not produce as fast as required, hence the backorders...

Who would have thought that being popular could be a bad thing...

Possibly related... something strange is going on with the Tribe, for sure.

My Full Compass rep offered me the M32 bundle deal back in October (discounted M32 with the free DL32). I bit on it and was told it would arrive in early November. I also ordered another X32 Rack to have for small "talking-head" gigs. I was told that would arrive "within a few days."

Just heard from my rep today... the M32 bundle isn't due to arrive until late January. And the X32 Rack is due to arrive "maybe in December."

He also indicated that it's taking forever to get repair parts from Tribe. I wonder what's going on over there?
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Daniel Levi on November 16, 2018, 07:52:40 am
I asked around and got the word that are they are simply "sold out" due to the recent discount campaign and that they can not produce as fast as required, hence the backorders...

Who would have thought that being popular could be a bad thing...

Their synthesizer venture is having the same problems, and they've also just got cheaper, sub £300/$300 for a minimoog clone is nuts.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Steve Payne on November 16, 2018, 08:20:54 am
It's probably time for a new Midas console, but if it's called "Heritage D" that might imply it's a digital replacement for the analog Heritage. The analog Heritage was a $80,000 console. I think it may be to get better traction in the touring market where the Heritage 3000 ruled than they have been able to get with the ProX. I would not expect it to be a sub $5,000 console. Or sub $20,000.

Mac

mmmmm, maybe?  Though I don't think Music! would let a little thing like a products "heritage" get in the way of marketing.  The new Turbosound monitor range, complete with plastic end cheeks, a single handle that is almost impossible to use and house drivers is dubbed the "Flashline" range.  Right.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Gary Weller on November 16, 2018, 08:39:25 am
mmmmm, maybe?  Though I don't think Music! would let a little thing like a products "heritage" get in the way of marketing.  The new Turbosound monitor range, complete with plastic end cheeks, a single handle that is almost impossible to use and house drivers is dubbed the "Flashline" range.  Right.

I could be wrong, but I don't think they'd put that big of a screen/display on a $5K desk.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Spenser Hamilton on November 16, 2018, 09:44:55 am
I could be wrong, but I don't think they'd put that big of a screen/display on a $5K desk.

Once upon a time nobody thought you could make a decent digital desk for $3K.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Gary Weller on November 16, 2018, 10:08:59 am
Once upon a time nobody thought you could make a decent digital desk for $3K.

True, but if that's a $5K console, I predict a huge glut of M32s on the used market.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Caleb Dueck on November 16, 2018, 02:22:15 pm
Heard from Midas indirectly, most of my guesses received a "no comment", but starting price received a comment of - much higher than $7k. 

There are a crap ton of M32's "on the boat" from China due to the current discounts, and pressure from the A&H SQ line.  I doubt this new model will affect M32 sales much. 

Curious to see how this compares to the DLive as that seems to be the current power/value king.  A C3500/CDM64 and Dante card can mix 128ch for around what, $25k?

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Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Steve Litscher on November 16, 2018, 02:29:41 pm
I asked around and got the word that are they are simply "sold out" due to the recent discount campaign and that they can not produce as fast as required, hence the backorders...

Who would have thought that being popular could be a bad thing...

Interesting. From what my rep said, Midas only made a handful (around 100) of the discounted packages available to select vendors - Sweetwater, B&H, and Full Compass. It also doesn't fully explain with the X32 Rack is on backorder, either.

Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Steve Litscher on November 16, 2018, 04:28:37 pm
And.... in even more bizarre news - I just got a call saying everything has arrived as of today. Holy crikey.

Supply chain fail/win? :-)





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Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Caleb Dueck on November 16, 2018, 05:44:50 pm
There are around 725 M32's planned for the USA between now and first week of Jan.   There is also a promo open to all dealers until end of the year. 

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Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Robert Lofgren on November 16, 2018, 07:54:46 pm
There was a recent major price drop in Europe. An x32-rack is now appox $780 in Sweden (7600 sek), including a 25% sales tax.

Interesting. From what my rep said, Midas only made a handful (around 100) of the discounted packages available to select vendors - Sweetwater, B&H, and Full Compass. It also doesn't fully explain with the X32 Rack is on backorder, either.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Matt Greiner on November 16, 2018, 07:59:10 pm
Interesting. From what my rep said, Midas only made a handful (around 100) of the discounted packages available to select vendors - Sweetwater, B&H, and Full Compass. It also doesn't fully explain with the X32 Rack is on backorder, either.

I know zzounds had them available as well.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Matt Greiner on November 16, 2018, 08:00:25 pm
Interesting. From what my rep said, Midas only made a handful (around 100) of the discounted packages available to select vendors - Sweetwater, B&H, and Full Compass. It also doesn't fully explain with the X32 Rack is on backorder, either.

I know zzounds had them available as well.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: brian maddox on November 16, 2018, 08:28:05 pm
There was a recent major price drop in Europe. An x32-rack is now appox $780 in Sweden (7600 sek), including a 25% sales tax.

Basically, at this price point, X32Racks are a Stage I/O Rack with some mixing capability built in.  Add a Dante card and it's the cheapest 22x14 Analog to Dante interface you can buy. 
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Kent Clasen on November 20, 2018, 04:34:16 pm
It's probably time for a new Midas console, but if it's called "Heritage D" that might imply it's a digital replacement for the analog Heritage. The analog Heritage was a $80,000 console. I think it may be to get better traction in the touring market where the Heritage 3000 ruled than they have been able to get with the ProX. I would not expect it to be a sub $5,000 console. Or sub $20,000.

Mac

I think you are right Mac. From what I have been told it will replace the Pro3/6/9 mixers. It may not be available until mid 2019.

The Pro1/2 arenít going to be replaced by this.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Tim Padrick on November 20, 2018, 07:44:30 pm
Possibly related... something strange is going on with the Tribe, for sure.

My Full Compass rep offered me the M32 bundle deal back in October (discounted M32 with the free DL32). I bit on it and was told it would arrive in early November. I also ordered another X32 Rack to have for small "talking-head" gigs. I was told that would arrive "within a few days."

Just heard from my rep today... the M32 bundle isn't due to arrive until late January. And the X32 Rack is due to arrive "maybe in December."

He also indicated that it's taking forever to get repair parts from Tribe. I wonder what's going on over there?

M32 are to arrive at the distributor Christmas week and the following week(s)  M32R are in stock.  X32Rack are due to arrive just after Thanksgiving.

The Tribe is preparing to move their parts and service departments (and maybe more) to a larger facility, so hopefully that explains the delay.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Steven Eudaly on November 20, 2018, 09:02:35 pm
I'm also with you and Mac. This will likely be a "big boy" console intended to help Midas regain some upper echelon curb appeal.

I think you are right Mac. From what I have been told it will replace the Pro3/6/9 mixers. It may not be available until mid 2019.

The Pro1/2 arenít going to be replaced by this.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Ray Aberle on November 21, 2018, 09:52:43 am
M32 are to arrive at the distributor Christmas week and the following week(s)  M32R are in stock.  X32Rack are due to arrive just after Thanksgiving.

The Tribe is preparing to move their parts and service departments (and maybe more) to a larger facility, so hopefully that explains the delay.
I ordered an M32 for retail stock when we heard of the impending price increases. Unless I am mistaken, there's been no increase (but we're all scrambling to stock like there is... lol).

Order was placed just before the supposed prices increases were to start (eff. 1-Nov, we were told). Just got a shipment notification that the M32 I ordered is shipping out today.

-Ray
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Roland Clarke on November 21, 2018, 10:47:22 am
After the recent price crash, I think itís unlikely that they will go up again.  I may be wrong.  Letís see!
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Robert Lofgren on November 22, 2018, 11:54:09 am
The problem is the new import taxes in the US on stuff coming from e.g. China. This will make stuff more expensive...

After the recent price crash, I think itís unlikely that they will go up again.  I may be wrong.  Letís see!
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Ray Aberle on November 22, 2018, 03:32:34 pm
The problem is the new import taxes in the US on stuff coming from e.g. China. This will make stuff more expensive...
The challenge is that the time frame is proving to be a large variable.

We (MG dealers) were told "OMG BUY YOUR SHIZZLE NOW cos prices are going up November 1!"

And then, Nov 1 passed, and no changes.

Then it was November 18, "OMG, prices are gonna jump, PLACE YOUR ORDERS NOW!"

New price sheets are out, effective November 19, 2018, and my dealer cost on the M32, for example, hasn't changed one cent.

Thanks guys, for building a panic and causing dealers to "load in" on things and the prices haven't changed.

Now, doesn't mean they won't change next month or in January, but at the present time, no changes...

[I've also seen price increases being implemented, blamed on "Chinese tariffs," but for products made in other countries... Someone didn't think that marketing claim through!

-Ray
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Steve Litscher on November 27, 2018, 02:36:53 pm
Looks like Midas announced a "new" M32R Live console earlier today via their Facebook page.

http://www.musictribe.com/Categories/Midas/Mixers/Digital/M32R-LIVE/p/P0C7S
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Art Nadelman on November 27, 2018, 03:06:37 pm
Looks like Midas announced a "new" M32R Live console earlier today via their Facebook page.

http://www.musictribe.com/Categories/Midas/Mixers/Digital/M32R-LIVE/p/P0C7S

Looks like the same M32R with just some updated silicone buttons.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on November 27, 2018, 03:28:32 pm
Looks like the same M32R with just some updated silicone buttons.

96kHz, remote apps for Apple only.  Mix buses are aligned in time.  From the web page: AES50 networking allows up to 96 inputs and 96 outputs.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on November 27, 2018, 03:35:02 pm
96kHz, remote apps for Apple only.  Mix buses are aligned in time.  From the web page: AES50 networking allows up to 96 inputs and 96 outputs.
What?


This thing? Does 96 inputs and 96k?


Does it ACTUALLY do 96k this time? Or is this more "96k operation capable at some future date that we really have no plans to implement"?


(https://media.musictri.be/media/PLM/data/images/products/P0C7S/1800Wx1800H/M32R-LIVE_P0C7S_Front_L.png?)
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Nick Andrews on November 27, 2018, 03:38:46 pm
If i had to guess - it's the same channel and bus count, with a few updates , Ie: the buttons, the live card , and if i  had to take a wild guess, they must have updated the DSP to handle a maybe possible future 96k update ??

full size m32 probably will get the same treatment if so, and the older gen m32 and m32r will prob run it but will half the channel count or something @ 96k....

just my guesses
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on November 27, 2018, 03:46:08 pm
The Apple-only remote apps are kind of a clue that the underlying software has changed, perhaps considerably, even if desk UI remains basically the same. 
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Caleb Dueck on November 27, 2018, 04:03:04 pm
96kHz, remote apps for Apple only.  Mix buses are aligned in time.  From the web page: AES50 networking allows up to 96 inputs and 96 outputs.
96 inputs patchable doesn't equal 96 inputs processing. 

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Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Jelmer de Jong on November 27, 2018, 04:05:43 pm
What?


This thing? Does 96 inputs and 96k?


Does it ACTUALLY do 96k this time? Or is this more "96k operation capable at some future date that we really have no plans to implement"?

No, it has 96 channels of AES connectivity. Two connectors with 48 channels in each way, just like the original M32. Actual mixing capability is 32 inputs(hence the name...), some effect returns, 16 auxes, LCR and 6 matrix.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Andrew Broughton on November 27, 2018, 08:22:20 pm
maybe possible future 96k update ??

FAKE NEWS!!!!!

Just as it was when they said this so many years ago. Fool me once....



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Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Nate Zifra on November 28, 2018, 09:40:19 am
remote apps for Apple only.

Under the downloads section, they are including the usual suspects (M32 Edit for PC, etc). Also noticed they are now including Mixing Station for Android in their downloads.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Mike Pyle on November 28, 2018, 11:14:53 am
It appears to me they have gone to a shorter fader, maybe 80mm instead of the 100mm faders the original M32R uses?
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Alec Spence on November 28, 2018, 12:03:21 pm
Internals are likely all the same

Fader size and form factor look the same as the current M32 Live.  Cosmetics are updated - possibly saving costs.

Buttons are now fully illuminated, rather than the illuminated legend on black buttons - a positive view in my opinion.  The old button style was never clear enough to my tired old eyes and, interestingly enough, a lot of old Midas press used buttons like this.

The default card is now the DN32 Live (probably what drove the "Live" suffix), so multitrack recording to SD card out of the box, while still allowing USB to DAW.  That's a big gain if there's no price hike.

Doesn't appear to be anything else different.  Software all looks the same.

(https://media.musictri.be/media/PLM/data/images/products/P0BI9/1800Wx1800H/M32R_P0BI9_Right_L.png)
(https://media.musictri.be/media/PLM/data/images/products/P0C7S/1800Wx1800H/M32R-LIVE_P0C7S_Right_L.png)
(https://media.musictri.be/media/PLM/data/images/products/P0BI9/1800Wx1800H/M32R_P0BI9_Rear_L.png)
(https://media.musictri.be/media/PLM/data/images/products/P0C7S/1800Wx1800H/M32R-LIVE_P0C7S_Rear_L.png)
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Gunther Mai on November 28, 2018, 04:20:24 pm
Ridiculously this new m32r model is missing again the AES3 out of its Behringer sibling X32 Compact.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: jeffshoup on January 19, 2019, 10:03:34 am
Has anyone on here heard anything about a new Midas console?  With the recent price drop in the M32, the discontinuing of some of the Pro consoles, and a "leaked" photo online, it seems to add up.  I realize that there are probably NDA's that would have had to be signed by dealers/beta testers if true, but wondering if there is any info floating around unofficially.

Here is a pic I just saw on the Midas Consoles LinkedIn site.  The console in the foreground of the picture appears to be a new M series with a 32 channel fader section and missing the traditional master fader section.  Next to it appears to be the traditional M32.  Youíll also notice the controls section appears to slope at a different angle between the two consoles.
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6492402072372211712
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Kevin Maxwell on January 19, 2019, 11:38:32 am
Here is a pic I just saw on the Midas Consoles LinkedIn site.  The console in the foreground of the picture appears to be a new M series with a 32 channel fader section and missing the traditional master fader section.  Next to it appears to be the traditional M32.  Youíll also notice the controls section appears to slope at a different angle between the two consoles.
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6492402072372211712

Can you post the picture so I don't have to be a linked in member to see it?
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Gary Weller on January 19, 2019, 02:20:33 pm
Can you post the picture so I don't have to be a linked in member to see it?

This might be it.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on January 19, 2019, 02:39:58 pm
This might be it.

Looks to be a M32R, then a M32 and last maybe a Pro1 or 2 by the look of the side of the screen. Of course larger ProX etc. as you go on down the line.

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on January 19, 2019, 03:02:33 pm
Who cares about the consoles?  I want to know who makes the fold up stools you see bits of.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Gary Weller on January 19, 2019, 06:22:28 pm
Looks to be a M32R, then a M32 and last maybe a Pro1 or 2 by the look of the side of the screen. Of course larger ProX etc. as you go on down the line.

Douglas R. Allen

That's what it looked like to me as well. That's the only picture I could find on Linkedin.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Jay Barracato on January 19, 2019, 06:26:40 pm
Who cares about the consoles?  I want to know who makes the fold up stools you see bits of.
BenchPro Deluxe Cleanroom Lab Polyurethane Chair / workbench stool with footring https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008KO698K/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_Ch7qCbZF17TNX

It doesn't fold but these are my favorites

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Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Branimir Bozak on February 05, 2019, 06:16:55 pm
(https://i.postimg.cc/6QP77m75/Spectacle-TJ1183.png)

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqLlh6PnTFX/
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on February 05, 2019, 06:34:54 pm
Internals are likely all the same

Fader size and form factor look the same as the current M32 Live.  Cosmetics are updated - possibly saving costs.

Buttons are now fully illuminated, rather than the illuminated legend on black buttons - a positive view in my opinion.  The old button style was never clear enough to my tired old eyes and, interestingly enough, a lot of old Midas press used buttons like this.

The default card is now the DN32 Live (probably what drove the "Live" suffix), so multitrack recording to SD card out of the box, while still allowing USB to DAW.  That's a big gain if there's no price hike.

Doesn't appear to be anything else different.  Software all looks the same.

(https://media.musictri.be/media/PLM/data/images/products/P0BI9/1800Wx1800H/M32R_P0BI9_Right_L.png)
(https://media.musictri.be/media/PLM/data/images/products/P0C7S/1800Wx1800H/M32R-LIVE_P0C7S_Right_L.png)
(https://media.musictri.be/media/PLM/data/images/products/P0BI9/1800Wx1800H/M32R_P0BI9_Rear_L.png)
(https://media.musictri.be/media/PLM/data/images/products/P0C7S/1800Wx1800H/M32R-LIVE_P0C7S_Rear_L.png)

The old M32R shown isn't right as it shows vent holes on the top in the back view. Mine doesn't have those nor does it run even warm in that area. There is so many pictures out its hard to tell what is real. Behringer should get things straightened out at some point.

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Tiago de Sousa on July 25, 2019, 06:49:47 pm
The old M32R shown isn't right as it shows vent holes on the top in the back view. Mine doesn't have those nor does it run even warm in that area.

Those holes are air entrances, they aren't there because it gets hot in that area, but to allow air to enter the console
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on July 25, 2019, 08:04:46 pm
Those holes are air entrances, they aren't there because it gets hot in that area, but to allow air to enter the console

My point was I have a M32R. Those air holes are not there on it. The Picture is wrong.

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Karel Noon on August 20, 2019, 02:40:30 am
https://youtu.be/t2eExgop2mQ

Someone in Australia going to see it?
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Peter Morris on August 20, 2019, 08:44:13 am
https://youtu.be/t2eExgop2mQ

Someone in Australia going to see it?

Flying to Melbourne next Tuesday  :)
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: John L Nobile on August 20, 2019, 11:14:47 am
Looks like a much higher pricepoint than an M32.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Nathan Riddle on August 20, 2019, 01:11:26 pm
Looks like a much higher pricepoint than an M32.


...96 internal effects + DynEQ...

heh. yeah.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Daniel Levi on August 20, 2019, 01:48:31 pm

...96 internal effects + DynEQ...

heh. yeah.

This is MT though  ;)

Does look like a nice console and the scribble strips look interesting.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: John L Nobile on August 20, 2019, 02:01:38 pm

...96 internal effects + DynEQ...

heh. yeah.

I was hoping for something in the M32 price range. I'd like to replace my X32's but that board's not gonna be in my budget.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Brian Adams on August 20, 2019, 02:18:56 pm
I was hoping for something in the M32 price range. I'd like to replace my X32's but that board's not gonna be in my budget.

My guess is that this will only fit the budget of the big leagues, but I'm curious to see if any (or much) of the technology/features will trickle down to more affordable consoles. I guess time will tell! I'd love to replace (or add to) my M/X32 inventory someday.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Caleb Dueck on August 20, 2019, 04:58:13 pm
My guess is that this will only fit the budget of the big leagues, but I'm curious to see if any (or much) of the technology/features will trickle down to more affordable consoles. I guess time will tell! I'd love to replace (or add to) my M/X32 inventory someday.

I heard Pro3/6/9 replacement and thus price point.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Roland Clarke on August 21, 2019, 09:15:47 am
I will take a bet itís going to be lower in price point than people think by just looking at it.  This would fit with the music tribe ethos.  It looks really good and itís much less than you would have thought, gets wallet out and places order, 10,000 sales in a matter of weeks.  They know that the middle market is difficult and dominated by Yamaha.  A&H have a strong product in the D-live, look here, all this extra and itís D-live money or less.  Pretty much how the X32 outsold all rivals 5:1 or more.  I suspect they are thinking of this selling in 10ís of thousands.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Steven Eudaly on August 21, 2019, 09:50:03 am
I will take a bet itís going to be lower in price point than people think by just looking at it.  This would fit with the music tribe ethos.  It looks really good and itís much less than you would have thought, gets wallet out and places order, 10,000 sales in a matter of weeks.  They know that the middle market is difficult and dominated by Yamaha.  A&H have a strong product in the D-live, look here, all this extra and itís D-live money or less.  Pretty much how the X32 outsold all rivals 5:1 or more.  I suspect they are thinking of this selling in 10ís of thousands.

I'm with Roland on this one. It's the first "next-gen" console from any manufacturer in the last couple of years, and they're going to want as many early adopters as possible to help it gain user acceptance. This is purely a guess, but I'd bet systems start well under $20k.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Taylor Hall on August 21, 2019, 10:15:19 am
It'll be interesting to follow for sure. They can't price it too low or they'll gut their M32 sales, it'd have to be in the $10-15k range at minimum, but likely higher since it can also do things the Pro 1/2 can't at $20k+. Without a full spec sheet no one can say, guess we'll have to wait (im)paitently with our tin foil hats on.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on August 21, 2019, 11:10:44 am
Pricing?  My guess is smallest config comes in <$20k, biggest <$40k.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Steve Payne on August 21, 2019, 05:59:28 pm
Pricing?  My guess is smallest config comes in <$20k, biggest <$40k.

and keep in mind that you get the Music Tribe's email/web based service/support at no extra cost.  Now there is a real value added proposition.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on August 21, 2019, 07:25:22 pm
and keep in mind that you get the Music Tribe's email/web based service/support at no extra cost.  Now there is a real value added proposition.

Yeah.

That's why tour-level desks come with direct support phone numbers - we need it to work RFN, and we need to know what is borked so it doesn't happen again.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Caleb Dueck on August 21, 2019, 07:58:36 pm
Pricing?  My guess is smallest config comes in <$20k, biggest <$40k.

It's been a while, at the time I 'think' I remember hearing $25k+.  Would love for it to be lower.  It would have to be significantly lower priced than D-Live C class for me to even consider though.  We'll see if it's like the other Behringer (Midas?) options where there is a ".... for the price" common tagline.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Helge A Bentsen on August 22, 2019, 01:53:23 pm
I'm so looking forward to this, might have to replace my current console.

Anybody need a SD8? :P
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Steve Payne on August 22, 2019, 03:27:40 pm
I'm so looking forward to this, might have to replace my current console.

Anybody need a SD8? :P

Helge, can you get someone on the phone to help you out when you have issues with that SD8?  Something to consider before you take a big gulp of Uli's kool aid.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Caleb Dueck on August 22, 2019, 04:15:35 pm
I'm so looking forward to this, might have to replace my current console.

Anybody need a SD8? :P

I'll take an SD8 over a Behringer any day! 
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on August 22, 2019, 04:36:14 pm
I'll take an SD8 over a Behringer any day!
I'm still holding out for an Avid S4L...
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Helge A Bentsen on August 22, 2019, 05:34:33 pm
Helge, can you get someone on the phone to help you out when you have issues with that SD8?  Something to consider before you take a big gulp of Uli's kool aid.

Actually, I can with both brands. The guys doing Midas in Norway are fantastic, great support. Had a couple of issues with Pro series desk during the years, always got instant support when needed. The same with the guys doing Digico. Always a helping hand when needed.

Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Karel Noon on August 23, 2019, 05:26:43 am
I'm still holding out for an Avid S4L...

Youíre not alone ;) but I donít hold my breath....
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Steve Payne on August 23, 2019, 08:21:35 am
I'm still holding out for an Avid S4L...

The SC48 replacement in the new range.  It is inevitable.  Eventually...
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Dave Pluke on August 23, 2019, 03:30:14 pm
and keep in mind that you get the Music Tribe's email/web based service/support at no extra cost.  Now there is a real value added proposition.

Way to sugar-coat it, Steve ;) !

Dave
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Sean Thomas on August 23, 2019, 05:20:01 pm
MIDAS Heritage-D official launch next week.

At least 144 inputs / 120 outputs / 96 aux / 24 matrix / 24 FX slots (upto 96)



https://www.facebook.com/groups/MidasHeritageD/
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Roland Clarke on August 23, 2019, 05:36:26 pm
Pricing?  My guess is smallest config comes in <$20k, biggest <$40k.

My gut would have been this, but you can get into S6L at around 40, they arenít going to compete there.  Yamaha has more street cred, so itís got to be lower than that and offer more.  As someone said the M32 and a stagebox around 5í000,  it could be from around 10 - 22k depending on basic to full config.  Low enough to prevent a Yamaha price drop cutting it out.  Of course we donít know if itís really any good! 😉
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Sean Thomas on August 23, 2019, 05:51:16 pm
it could be from around 10 - 22k depending on basic to full config.

I don't think you'll get the Midas Heritage-D specs at starting at $10k.  It will be interesting to see how the full line is developed.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Steven Eudaly on August 23, 2019, 06:16:23 pm
It'll be interesting to follow for sure. They can't price it too low or they'll gut their M32 sales, it'd have to be in the $10-15k range at minimum, but likely higher since it can also do things the Pro 1/2 can't at $20k+. Without a full spec sheet no one can say, guess we'll have to wait (im)paitently with our tin foil hats on.

Pro 1/2 haven't been worth (or selling for) $20k for several years. I've been seeing used Pro1 systems selling for little more than an M32 package.

I'm with the others in that I think it will fall in that $10k-20k range that has relatively few contenders.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Peter Morris on August 23, 2019, 08:41:44 pm
MIDAS Heritage-D official launch next week.

At least 144 inputs / 144 outputs / 96 aux / 24 matrix / 24 FX slots (upto 96)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/MidasHeritageD/

It will be interesting to see how that pans out in a practical user configuration.  For example our dLive has 128 inputs (+ EFX returns = 160 processing channels), but its network will support more than 800 inputs, but only 160 of them can be processed at any given time. 

Given the Heritage D only has 4 x AES50 if I was using standard DL251ís  that would mean 96 in at the rack plus whatís on the desk  Ö anyway I will find out on Tuesday :-)

Pricing ... I'm expecting dLive territory and perhaps slight more power for your $.  What will be nice is the new TC effects, many of the old Pro series effects were not very good at all.


edit - correct processing channel count
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Karel Noon on August 24, 2019, 07:51:44 am
No more guesswork needed:

600 connected channels I/O
144 Flex Inputs
120 Flex Outputs
24-96 FX Slots
24 Pop Groups/Layers
24 VCA

https://youtu.be/yLcIKUB08bA
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Roland Clarke on August 25, 2019, 03:55:11 am
It will be interesting to see how that pans out in a practical user configuration.  For example our dLive has 128 inputs (+ EFX returns), but its network will support more than 800 inputs, but only 128 of them can be processed at any given time. 

Given the Heritage D only has 4 x AES50 if I was using standard DL251ís  that would mean 96 in at the rack plus whatís on the desk  Ö anyway I will find out on Tuesday :-)

Pricing ... I'm expecting dLive territory and perhaps slight more power for your $.  What will be nice is the new TC effects, many of the old Pro series effects were not very good at all.

I think you are bang on Peter.  They will certainly have the D-live in their sights and to beat it will have to be slightly sexier and around that or possibly slightly lower in coast.

Yamaha will be different as they are more expensive and have a reputation for lasting 15 years.  I think pricing will be aimed to do to the QL and CL what the X32 did to the LS9 market.  Money no object market will still buy Avid, Digico, PM10 and the Midas consoles never really cracked that market, proven by the number under £8,000 floating around on the secondhand market.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Daniel Levi on August 25, 2019, 05:01:16 am
As for the Behringer end of things there was an interesting bit in a quote by Uli on FB vis-ŗ-vis their synths.

Quote from: Uli Behringer
As you can tell we love building synths and other great products for you. And no, we havenít forgotten our pro audio customers - in fact we'll have something pretty revolutionary quite soon.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Simon Lewis on August 25, 2019, 06:02:15 am
If any UK/EU based folk are going to PLASA London (15th - 17th September) SFL Group will have an HD96 on their stand for people to get hands on with....
SFL's Mark Payne has been an integral part of the beta testing of the desk.
I believe that trade show tickets are free up to the end of August.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Roland Clarke on August 25, 2019, 09:32:30 am
Hi Simon, if I get a chance I have a ticket so might go.  Naturally Iíll take a look if it isnít crowded out too much.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Nathan Riddle on August 26, 2019, 11:04:24 am
Overview   -> https://youtu.be/yLcIKUB08bA
Processing -> https://youtu.be/F-o_mGq9t5g
Effects       -> https://youtu.be/aJf_TOpnnUQ
Interface    -> https://youtu.be/QuMEKr_Ajpg
Pricing       -> https://youtu.be/8mf2mra9WxQ
AI             -> https://youtu.be/-bNO2eEUxpM

Ripping it now, gimme a minute.
Here ya go, enjoy: https://drive.google.com/open?id=16GTrfjiSJSpLCc9mMm9PxlDPAZ2ChNuC

Overview
----------------------
-Dreamflow UI
- 144 flexible inputs
- 120 flexible outputs
- HD multitouch screen
- 24 DCA/VCA
- Channel AI??
- 600 inputs & outputs
- 96 effects slots
- 128 dynamic effects pool
- 24 popo groups/layers
- console connected (layer 3) online/offline (cloud) editor?
- complete channel layout flexibility

Processing
----------------------
-96kHz-24bits
-144 fully processed input channels, can be delay compensated as aux returns
-120 flexible outputs
-aux to aux plus aux to matrix routing all delay compensated
-true 64 bit FPGA processing with GPU coprocessing
-variable phase per input channel
-5 tap off points per channel, per send - all delay compensated with true metering
-DSP/delay compensation configuration (FOH, Monitor, etc)
-Fully flexible processing order, including post fader insert
-dedicated 16 into 12 shout mixer with instant configuration recall
-dual config solo busses with duckers and limiters
-AFL selectable for inputs and outputs independently
-FX Pool of 128 freely assignable dynamics processors
-True audition
-True preview
-libraries

Effects
----------------------
-96 effects (comp, DynEQ, limiter, eq, verb, delay, etc)
-TC 2290
-TC VSS3
-TC VSS4
-Sub Monster
-KT Graphic EQ
-Chamber Verb
-KT Tape Saturation
-KT Bus compressor
-KT HD 670 Compressor
-Pitch shifter
-Vintage pitch shifter
-KT 1176 limiting amplifier
-KT channel limiter
-XL4 EQ
-Ocean EQ
-Stressor
-Rack Amp
-Ultra-dualistic voice doubler
-128 dynamic processors (DynEQ, multiband compressor)
-Ultra dynamic equalizer
-Ultra MBC
-Effects can be assigned to "one shot pots"

Interface
----------------------
-Full HD multitouch screen - daylight coated
-DreamFlow UI, two handed operation
-Customizable screen 'grab and drag'
-40x 18bit color 240x240 channel LCDs
-Fully configurability (anything anywhere)
-Surface layout presets
-Custom toolbar on-top for easy access to menu features
-8 + 28 assignable rotaries
-Hi-res RTA
-Manchino workflow (do same action to many)
-28 motorized faders
-Two hypermacs configurable for dual redundant or independent operation
-Dante, MADI, USB interfaces (CM1)
-Two CM1 slots
-Graviton Audio Engine in surface


Pricing
----------------------
-$35k tour pack (case and console)
-$33k install
-Uses current DL boxes - DL251 etc.


Artificial Intelligence
----------------------
- Spectrum Analyser
- AI Channel Naming and Profiling
- AI Assisted EQ and Dynamics
- mCloud Connected with Built In WiFi
- Password Protected User Profiles
- Cloud Showfile Sync to Console
- AI Delay Compensation
- Clipped Channel Pop Group
- Show Config via Excel Import
- Works with Existing IO (DL151, DL231, DL251, etc.)
- Dual Redundant Power Supplies
- Dual HDMI Out
- 4 Fader Bank Ports



Quoted from Facebook MIDAS Heritage-D User Group:
Quote
We have no personal inside information. This is all from public post from around the web from people who seem to have the latest info....

- Approx. $25,000 USD for the console - TARIFFS MAY EFFECT USA PRICING (Behringer/Midas may have upcoming price increases)
- AT LEAST 144 INPUTS / 120 OUTPUTS
- 96 AUXES (mono or stereo?)
- 24 MATRICES
- 24 VCA
- UPTO 96 FX SLOTS
- Very advanced OS and DREAMFLOW GUI
- 40 18 Bit Color 240x240 Channel LCD’s
- OFFICIAL LAUNCH in Australia on AUG 27th

----------------------------------------------

- Will use current 96k DL boxes - DL251 etc.
- Will probably only run at 96k
- NEW SERIES of consoles and will eventually have more than 1 frame size
- Will eventually have new IO boxes
- Will eventually replace the entire Pro Series line up
- Will be as powerful as ProX in many/most ways
- Will have BATS technology*
- FPGA DSP (Neutron?)
- Advanced TC FX
- At least 2, maybe 4 card slots for expansion (Waves, Dante, etc.)
- Massive amounts of development and research to include lots of user input and the "best of" other consoles
- Revolutionary designed software/firmware/hardware architecture
- It is NOT a replacement for M32/X32 - although many would assume the new R&D might trickle down
- It will do to the high-end console market what X32 did for the low-end market. It is expected to outperform any console under $80,000, maybe even some $100k consoles
- And most importantly - "Open architecture allows for future 192 kHz operation" : ) joking
*Big Ass Touch Screen
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Nathan Riddle on August 26, 2019, 11:09:03 am
The way I see it is it and A&H dLive are in the exact same market. But they have different strengths and weaknesses.

Heritage-D HD96-24 is geared towards live sound mixing (touring and installs) and is a fixed architecture type system (DSP is in the console, not the mix rack). It is designed to be the ultimate touring console and not much else.

dLive is geared towards live mixing but also installs/corporate and being fully modular. You can have a many (understatement) different mix rack & associated IO configurations and design a system that meets the needs of a venue/client/tour.

At this point, I'd love to mix on either :)
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Taylor Hall on August 26, 2019, 11:12:16 am
Wow, pour one out for the Pro 1/2 with that pricing, they're toast. Though they were long in the tooth already, they came out in what, 2010?

The only thing the Pro 3/6/9/X has going for them is the larger form factor, but if the post is to be believed they have other sizes planned as well so who knows.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Caleb Dueck on August 26, 2019, 12:52:43 pm
Wow, pour one out for the Pro 1/2 with that pricing, they're toast. Though they were long in the tooth already, they came out in what, 2010?

The only thing the Pro 3/6/9/X has going for them is the larger form factor, but if the post is to be believed they have other sizes planned as well so who knows.

Often a high-end-of-range console is released, then once some R&D is recouped - then the technology trickles down to smaller, lower cost products. 

If this is the ProX replacement, then Pro2 and similar replacements are coming.   Similar to DLive S then DLive C, all the Yamaha consoles in pairs over the years, D-Show to Profile to SC48, SD8 to SD9, etc.

They are keeping the distinction between Pro/Heritage and MI (X32/M32) which is good.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Taylor Hall on August 26, 2019, 01:45:05 pm
Often a high-end-of-range console is released, then once some R&D is recouped - then the technology trickles down to smaller, lower cost products. 

If this is the ProX replacement, then Pro2 and similar replacements are coming.   Similar to DLive S then DLive C, all the Yamaha consoles in pairs over the years, D-Show to Profile to SC48, SD8 to SD9, etc.

They are keeping the distinction between Pro/Heritage and MI (X32/M32) which is good.
Yep, I wouldn't be shocked to see something pop up in the $8-10k price range in the next year or so that would compete with something like the Dlive-C or Digico S31, but still be a big step up from the M32 and a far cry from the HD96.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Uwe Riemer2 on August 27, 2019, 04:10:23 am
so far this looks like a very nice console.

Love the "Ocean" EQ and the fact, that the trackballs are now thoroughly testet

Obviously the Kidderminster guys are having fun, so it seems to be the right time to cheer a little bit for the other team:
Go Willich go
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Nathan Riddle on August 27, 2019, 09:37:20 am
https://youtu.be/QuMEKr_Ajpg

Interface
---------------
-Full HD multitouch screen - daylight coated
-DreamFlow UI, two handed operation
-Customizable screen 'grab and drag'
-40x 18bit color 240x240 channel LCDs
-Fully configurability (anything anywhere)
-Surface layout presets
-Custom toolbar on-top for easy access to menu features
-8 + 28 assignable rotaries
-Hi-res RTA
-Manchino workflow (do same action to many)
-28 motorized faders
-Two hypermacs configurable for dual redundant or independent operation
-Dante, MADI, USB interfaces (CM1)
-Two CM1 slots
-Graviton Audio Engine in surface
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Michael Lawrence on August 27, 2019, 09:46:29 am
20 minute demo video (https://www.facebook.com/sflgroup/videos/439803766617475/) from the folks at SFL
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Steve Litscher on August 27, 2019, 09:47:12 am
I'm hoping the patching/routing process is more intuitive and user-friendly than it is on the Pro desks. If it is... man, I might have to reconsider my "retirement" - as much as I loved my dLive stuff, this really could be a game changer.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on August 27, 2019, 10:24:28 am
20 minute demo video (https://www.facebook.com/sflgroup/videos/439803766617475/) from the folks at SFL

Any vids or other sources of info that are NOT FACEBOOK?
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Rob Spence on August 27, 2019, 10:32:47 am
Any vids or other sources of info that are NOT FACEBOOK?

+1
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Michael Lawrence on August 27, 2019, 10:43:06 am
Any vids or other sources of info that are NOT FACEBOOK?
Mark Payne, the creator of that video, was on the R+D team for the console, so I definitely consider him a direct source, if that's your concern. I don't have a facebook account; the video is public.
Alternatively Nathan posted some videos from the Midas youtube channel directly upthread, but in my opinion Mark's video shows a lot more interesting stuff.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Taylor Hall on August 27, 2019, 10:45:28 am
Any vids or other sources of info that are NOT FACEBOOK?
Ripping it now, gimme a minute.
Here ya go, enjoy: https://drive.google.com/open?id=16GTrfjiSJSpLCc9mMm9PxlDPAZ2ChNuC
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Taylor Hall on August 27, 2019, 10:51:08 am
Mark Payne, the creator of that video, was on the R+D team for the console, so I definitely consider him a direct source, if that's your concern. I don't have a facebook account; the video is public.
Alternatively Nathan posted some videos from the Midas youtube channel directly upthread, but in my opinion Mark's video shows a lot more interesting stuff.
I think it's more aimed towards people who don't have facebook accounts rather than the reputation of the source.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Michael Lawrence on August 27, 2019, 10:52:30 am
people who don't have facebook accounts

Or as I like to call them, "the smart ones."

Yes, Facebook is something I try to give a very wide berth. Viewed that link in Incognito :D
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Nathan Riddle on August 27, 2019, 11:28:57 am
Pricing 35k "tour pack" (case and console)
https://youtu.be/8mf2mra9WxQ


Artificial intelligence

https://youtu.be/-bNO2eEUxpM
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Steve Litscher on August 27, 2019, 12:40:54 pm

Pricing 35k "tour pack" (case and console)

And I just saw install pricing MSRP is $33,500 (guessing it's console only, no case)
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Mac Kerr on August 27, 2019, 01:29:33 pm
And I just saw install pricing MSRP is $33,500 (guessing it's console only, no case)

Is that for the surface only, or does it include a reasonable amount of I/O?

Mac
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Taylor Hall on August 27, 2019, 01:36:48 pm
Is that for the surface only, or does it include a reasonable amount of I/O?

Mac
Most of the videos I've seen so far make note of "user-populated expansion slots" on the console, so I wager that those slots will be unpopulated at shipping unless otherwise specced, leaving you with the onboard 8x8 XLR, 3 x AES3, 4 x AES50 and 2 x Hypermac ports to do with as you will. Oh and ultranet for that full MG experience  ::)

Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Steve Litscher on August 27, 2019, 01:42:15 pm
From what I can tell, it's the console only. As Taylor notes, the console has 8 in/8 out XLR onboard, and they mentioned that the Heritage-D will be compatible with all existing DL I/O boxes (251, etc).
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Alec Spence on August 27, 2019, 03:18:51 pm
Ripping it now, gimme a minute.
Here ya go, enjoy: https://drive.google.com/open?id=16GTrfjiSJSpLCc9mMm9PxlDPAZ2ChNuC
Or, even more accessible, and in rather higher resolution:
 (https://youtu.be/hwznsGlzflA[/url)
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Art Nadelman on August 27, 2019, 05:51:46 pm
Dual lamp connectors on a $35k board?  They couldn't install an LED strip for that money?
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on August 27, 2019, 05:53:10 pm
Thanks for the non- Facebook links.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Spenser Hamilton on August 27, 2019, 08:01:31 pm
Dual lamp connectors on a $35k board?  They couldn't install an LED strip for that money?

To be fair, SD9 comes with dual gooseneck lamps in that price range.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: brian maddox on August 27, 2019, 10:42:11 pm
Dual lamp connectors on a $35k board?  They couldn't install an LED strip for that money?

Not to pick on you Art, but once again i am amazed at how far the goalposts have really moved WRT Professional Audio Consoles and Price.  In the not so distant past, 35k bought you a second tier console that was maybe 40x16 IO.  No processing; barely any EQ.  An XL4 was 3-4 times more than that and STILL had nothing more than some routing and EQ.  The processing available on this new console would have cost at LEAST a million dollars [BEFORE adjusting for inflation] and would have filled a 24 foot truck by itself.

We live in amazing times...
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Tim Hite on August 28, 2019, 01:24:16 am
Dual lamp connectors on a $35k board?  They couldn't install an LED strip for that money?

Hey, I can't even get a press release from my Music Tribe reps at that price. . .
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Roland Clarke on August 28, 2019, 04:35:27 am
Not to pick on you Art, but once again i am amazed at how far the goalposts have really moved WRT Professional Audio Consoles and Price.  In the not so distant past, 35k bought you a second tier console that was maybe 40x16 IO.  No processing; barely any EQ.  An XL4 was 3-4 times more than that and STILL had nothing more than some routing and EQ.  The processing available on this new console would have cost at LEAST a million dollars [BEFORE adjusting for inflation] and would have filled a 24 foot truck by itself.

We live in amazing times...

And Iíd like to remind you of this 10 years from now.  Hardware wise they could probably sell this for $10,000.  I know people talk R&D, but itís only code.  35k is a big ask as you can get into Yamaha and Avid are only a little above that.  We all know the heritage behind the Midas offering and that makes it still all itís money.  At 10-23k I would hazard they would sell 10 x the amount.  People have made the point about software cost to develope, but if this was the case there wouldnít be a DAW under 4K.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Taylor Hall on August 28, 2019, 07:04:02 am
People have made the point about software cost to develope, but if this was the case there wouldnít be a DAW under 4K.
Most DAWs sell in the hundreds of thousands to millions of units, however, and with pricing starting around $400, and going up well over $1000, they'll recoup those "only code" costs pretty darn quick.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Art Nadelman on August 28, 2019, 12:55:53 pm
Not to pick on you Art

I don't feel picked on.  I was just shocked when I saw those 2 connectors.  And to think, I was thinking about trashing my 2 XLR gooseneck LEDs that I still have hanging around.  Perhaps they'll find a new home not the back of a new Midas console.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Jeffrey Knorr - CobraSound.com on August 28, 2019, 03:14:46 pm
And Iíd like to remind you of this 10 years from now.  Hardware wise they could probably sell this for $10,000.  I know people talk R&D, but itís only code.  35k is a big ask as you can get into Yamaha and Avid are only a little above that.  We all know the heritage behind the Midas offering and that makes it still all itís money.  At 10-23k I would hazard they would sell 10 x the amount.  People have made the point about software cost to develope, but if this was the case there wouldnít be a DAW under 4K.

There's nothing stopping them from dropping the price down the road--they did this with the X32.

Jeff
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on August 28, 2019, 04:21:39 pm
So I watched some of the videos.  Will it make tea and light my cigar? (Pink Floyd trivia hint)

A lot of "they're still working on this, but...." in the video Taylor Hall graciously re-posted but the stuff that does work addresses some of my previous complaints about the Pro series.

When our Midas rep pops by with one to demo for a couple weeks I'll kick the tires and take it for a drive... so that means sometime in 2021, probably. :D

Seriously, this looks and acts more like I'd expect a Midas to work. 
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: brian maddox on August 28, 2019, 04:25:59 pm
And Iíd like to remind you of this 10 years from now.  Hardware wise they could probably sell this for $10,000.  I know people talk R&D, but itís only code.  35k is a big ask as you can get into Yamaha and Avid are only a little above that.  We all know the heritage behind the Midas offering and that makes it still all itís money.  At 10-23k I would hazard they would sell 10 x the amount.  People have made the point about software cost to develope, but if this was the case there wouldnít be a DAW under 4K.

I think this offering is planned to be squarely in the middle of an entire line of consoles.  They'll pull a few features off and sell one at 20k [or lower.  HD96Core?].  And they'll make bigger surfaces/packages and sell them higher.

This model is what was used with the X32 and it's worked out pretty well for TMG.  It'll be interesting to see how it plays out at the next higher price point.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Dave Garoutte on August 28, 2019, 04:37:40 pm
Most DAWs sell in the hundreds of thousands to millions of units, however, and with pricing starting around $400, and going up well over $1000, they'll recoup those "only code" costs pretty darn quick.

And there is NO hardware cost to the DAW software.  Once it's programmed, you just make copies.
For a manufacturer, the cost of tooling, programming, design, etc of the hardware can be quite large.  And as it's not likely they will sell thousands of these, it needs to be amortized over the projected quantities.  Plus the cost of actual manufacture is greater in small quantities . . .and so on. 
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Steve Litscher on August 28, 2019, 04:41:50 pm
And there is NO hardware cost to the DAW software.  Once it's programmed, you just make copies.


True - there aren't any hard costs associated with creating copies, but there are some real costs associated with support, firmware upgrades, bug fixes, and whatnot.

TMG's done a great job of sorting out the X32/M32 platform; it's nice and stable and pretty dependable. Allen & Heath has also done a great job of updating their dLive platform firmware. The version where they included Shure RF info was particularly awesome.

So, while they may not have to pay $$ to crank out each copy of the Heritage OS, they'll definitely have a bunch of time, money, and effort involved with keeping it current. Thankfully we don't have to pay any subscription costs for things like firmware and software updates!
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Kevin Maxwell on August 28, 2019, 05:12:59 pm
Will it use OSC (Open Sound Control)?
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Alec Spence on August 28, 2019, 06:39:15 pm
So I watched some of the videos. ... A lot of "they're still working on this, but...."
Do remember that video was recorded six months ago, and it looks like those things are now resolved.  The video's helpful, even despite its age, as it is the most informative thing around at the moment.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Michael Lawrence on August 29, 2019, 10:21:11 am
I think this offering is planned to be squarely in the middle of an entire line of consoles.  They'll pull a few features off and sell one at 20k [or lower.  HD96Core?].  And they'll make bigger surfaces/packages and sell them higher.


Can confirm, unofficially - I was told by someone no longer involved with the project that the plan is 3 frame sizes.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Art Nadelman on August 29, 2019, 04:33:33 pm
Thankfully we don't have to pay any subscription costs for things like firmware and software updates!

Shh!!!  Don't give them ideas!
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: John A Chiara on August 31, 2019, 08:52:16 pm
Can confirm, unofficially - I was told by someone no longer involved with the project that the plan is 3 frame sizes.

I was told that all the digital engineering staff had been Ďlet goí save one...and he was working on synthesizers. So what kind of time frame are we looking at?
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on August 31, 2019, 10:59:17 pm
I was told that all the digital engineering staff had been Ďlet goí save one...and he was working on synthesizers. So what kind of time frame are we looking at?

The engineering is presumably complete, it's a matter of if/when other sizes are released for production.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Branimir Bozak on September 14, 2019, 05:47:27 pm
There is a lot of hype going on regarding the console that is actually not on the market.

Sure, it seems its packed with a lot of goodies, routing possibilities, effects, emulations, and even trying to go further with AI thing.

No clue about console stability, can't use the DL431 splitter rack, so gain sharing if you want to use it with another Midas...

Not a fan of their marketing/sales tactic, seems they are trying to sell as many as possible in preorder, like - it's exciting nobody has it, how can I get it? 😆 Hope it lives up to the hype....
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Steve Payne on September 14, 2019, 07:27:33 pm
No clue about console stability, can't use the DL431 splitter rack, so gain sharing if you want to use it with another Midas...

Curious why you say it will not work with the DL431 active splitter rack. 
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Branimir Bozak on September 14, 2019, 08:26:03 pm
Curious why you say it will not work with the DL431 active splitter rack.
Multiple sources and comments on various Midas Facebook groups, even the Midas spec sheet of features that was posted on the Heritage-D group lists only DL200 series and no 431.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Daniel Levi on September 15, 2019, 04:37:31 am
But supposedly they are having a look at compatibility for the DL431, but it will have either Heritage-D or Pro mode, so you could not use it to have a Heritage-D at FOH and a Pro series console at monitors.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on September 15, 2019, 10:11:34 am
As I do not use FaceSpace or MyBook or other intrusive "social" media my only info is what I read in the trades or from the video that another user ripped and posted to Yoo Toob.  My take away was that all the DLxxx boxes would work.  Perhaps I misunderstood and it's only the DL2xx boxes?

The charm of the H-D dims if it will require new or significantly modified i/o.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Branimir Bozak on September 15, 2019, 03:43:58 pm
As I do not use FaceSpace or MyBook or other intrusive "social" media ...
Well, Midas' PR is currently giving information thru their brand representatives here and there, and searching for info about the new console is like searching for treasure... Or boogers.

A couple of groups exist, where some folks with random knowledge or inside info post stuff, and seems like Midas is also starving most of them on information, giving only hints of this and that, and people posting videos of "HOW DOES THE HERITAGE D SOUND?" of themselves with the Heritage D and an industry standard microphone pointed at the console, with some wannabe funny remarks going on in the video.

First videos of the console started showing up on social networks, all pointing to Midas' Youtube channel, and most of these videos were actually unlisted, so they can't be found via regular search engine, only thru a posted link.

There was a really big list of specification/features floating around and the DL400 series was not in it, some people turned their heads and commented and seems like a lot of info is once again deleted or hidden, or edited, but it looks like it won't support the DL431. I guess they need to make room for the console, who would buy the Pro X then?

Hype building in progress... We'll see when it actually hits the stores and a regular Joe can get access to it, how it fares. For now it just fairy tales.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Simon Lewis on September 15, 2019, 07:11:10 pm
For now it just fairy tales.

Not quite...
There's a real desk with people answering questions about it at London's PLASA show right now.
SSE are listing information on their website, and are stating, "Compatible with the DL231, DL151, DL152, DL153, ​​DL154, DL155 and DL251 stage boxes..."
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Nathan Riddle on September 19, 2019, 10:35:40 am
New video. Nothing new.

https://youtu.be/3wFWzKbkU3Y
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: MikeHarris on September 20, 2019, 02:34:00 am
I didnít go to WFX but I believe Midas did a intro to the finished product. 
Anyone go ?
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Miguel Dahl on September 20, 2019, 09:43:27 pm
I just watched this since YT queued it up after the vid Nathan posted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwznsGlzflA

It was a short moment in the video, but did I understand it correctly (or maybe wrong), that you can do own aux-bus (monitor) settings from the input strip? Instead of have to split channels to do individual EQ and compression for example for the monitor send?

For several years I've been fantasizing about a "Mons" button/panel which expands the channel window to give you a window with parameters which affects only monitors/aux bus setting with Digital Trim/EQ/Comp/Insert etc. Instead of have to split the channel or select send point (which still only gives you one compressor and EQ on the whole channel).

Expand the channel window, and get settings for what is going to the mix bus send. And have a button which also copies "to main-mix"-parameters.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Erik Jerde on September 21, 2019, 12:52:21 am
I just watched this since YT queued it up after the vid Nathan posted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwznsGlzflA

It was a short moment in the video, but did I understand it correctly (or maybe wrong), that you can do own aux-bus (monitor) settings from the input strip? Instead of have to split channels to do individual EQ and compression for example for the monitor send?

For several years I've been fantasizing about a "Mons" button/panel which expands the channel window to give you a window with parameters which affects only monitors/aux bus setting with Digital Trim/EQ/Comp/Insert etc. Instead of have to split the channel or select send point (which still only gives you one compressor and EQ on the whole channel).

Expand the channel window, and get settings for what is going to the mix bus send. And have a button which also copies "to main-mix"-parameters.

I canít speak to other desks but it sounds like what youíre looking for is what DiGiCo calls nodal processing and is available on their SD7Q console.  Effectively itís separate channel processing available on each channel send pick-off point.  Eliminates the need to double patch for monitor eq/dynamics/etc.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Roland Clarke on September 22, 2019, 07:48:12 am
I canít speak to other desks but it sounds like what youíre looking for is what DiGiCo calls nodal processing and is available on their SD7Q console.  Effectively itís separate channel processing available on each channel send pick-off point.  Eliminates the need to double patch for monitor eq/dynamics/etc.

If the Midas is doing that thrn itís at 20% of the Quantumís cost.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Erik Jerde on September 22, 2019, 02:06:46 pm
If the Midas is doing that thrn itís at 20% of the Quantumís cost.

Which would be awesome.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Miguel Dahl on September 23, 2019, 03:50:30 pm
If the Midas is doing that thrn itís at 20% of the Quantumís cost.

I just randomly viewed a YT video of the new stuff which Core 2 came with, and it was mentioned, so I remembered that I wrote that post. Funny. So the functions are out there in the live-rental-market. I didn't know that.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Steve Ferreira on October 03, 2019, 10:01:36 am
New personal mixer. Has soon cool features.

https://www.midasconsoles.com/Categories/Midas/Signal-Processors/In-Ear-Monitoring/DP48/p/P0BMX#googtrans(en|en)

Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: MikeHarris on October 04, 2019, 02:43:58 am
If the Midas is doing that thrn itís at 20% of the Quantumís cost.

Got dealer pricing yesterday...more like 10%
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Daniel Levi on October 04, 2019, 03:27:22 am
Got dealer pricing yesterday...more like 10%

Whilst it will never be in my price range it's certinaly looking like the pricing is going to be doing what the X32 did price wise for it's level of console. It's almost looking like the other brands will be competing mainly on "we're not part of music tribe" as I guess getting down to MT pricing/competing on price alone is going to be very difficult, but it will be interesting what other manufacturers come up with.
Title: Re: New Midas console?
Post by: Helge A Bentsen on December 03, 2019, 11:10:05 am
Any word on shipping date yet?