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Title: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Bob Leonard on May 29, 2018, 08:43:36 pm
Some 35 or more years ago I bought a good little garden tractor from Sears. 18 HP, tractor tires, weights, chains, electric lift front and rear, front blade, etc. It served me well, but had it's short comings when it came to real work, like plowing, dragging rakes, etc. But still, it was what I could afford at the time and I have no complaints.

Three weeks ago I ordered a new tractor from my John Deere dealer to the tune $9K (could have had one hell of a console for that.)

I bought the beast because the town is now in the final stages of re-working the street I live on, a project more than 20 years in the making. My wife and I decided long ago that nothing would be done outside until we were sure the town was done, and that time is here.

I've finished the boiler project and now to the outside, and that includes landscaping and painting the house, plus some long over due exterior maintenance. We've never had a lawn to speak of, and with the front yard over 1/2 acre the expense was in the $6K range just for the loam to cover with 4" depth.

So here comes the town taking a minor amount of frontage, then paying me for it, installing all new water lines, sewage lines, drainage, gas lines, cutting trees, widening the road, cement sidewalks, granite curb stone, and new trees.

After all of that and for me allowing them to use my yard to store equipment, giant rocks for walls, and anything else they had a need for, they were gracious enough to remove three giant pines at $4K each, no cost to me, 9ea. 10 wheel dump truck loads of loam, no cost to me, spread the loam over 95% of the yard, no cost to me, and plant three (3) new red oaks 8 feet in from the street in a nice straight line, no cost to me. Nice job by my town, and the contractor for the project is amazing.

In back of my house is another 1/2 acre lot that is wooded. Always wanted to clean it up, but never had the equipment to do it.

Finally, at 66 and with a recent heart attack I was really feeling the effort needed to move a 15hp Ariens snow blower up and down a very steep 2 car driveway over 250' long. So with a plan in place I decided to get rid of the old tractor wannabe and the snow blower, then buy a practical tractor that could:

Push snow and dirt, pull implements like stone rakes, blades, box graders, etc. WITHOUT a problem. The tractor had to be equipped with hydraulics front, rear and mower deck.

I also wanted a high capacity trailer, wood chipper, cover, weights, and a bucket if possible.

I looked at sub compacts from Deere, Kubota, Mahindra and a few other manufactures. All of them had a base price starting at around $14K, and then after adding attachments I could have easily spent upwards of $23-24K.

So while doing my homework I found out that JD had some very nice tractors known as the "X" series. I looked at the X700 series and found a very capable "lawn" tractor with 3 point hitch, power everything, etc. What I found was that the X700 series is more than I'll ever need, and that the cost would be in the $17K region with the attachments I wanted.

But, while at the dealer they showed me the X500 Select series. I had finally found my need fulfilled by a brand new John Deere X580 with;

Front, rear and mower deck hydraulics, full power steering, 48" hydraulic lift blade, 48" mower deck, hydraulic sleeve hitch, locking differential, suitcase weights, HDAP tires, 24HP Kawasaki engine, K72 transmission, lights, digital dash, HDAP tires, rear tire traction belts (for snow), etc. Cost $8700.00.

I then added a Polar cart with foot release tilt and swivel, extra capacity side rails, and the piece de resistance, a 15hp wood chipper. Add $3500, bringing the final cost to $12,200.

I guess I could have bought a very nice board for that money, but hell, whatever takes the load off of my back at this point.

Oh, the old tractor is for sale at $300, and the Ariens snow blower (2 years old and cost $2300) is available for $1K.

Pictures and link below;

Links;
https://www.deere.com/en/mowers/lawn-tractors/x500-series/x580-lawn-tractor/

http://stores.clamoutdoors.com/polar-trailer/trailers.html 
HD1500 with single axle, foot pedal release and side rails to increase capacity.

Some of you might like the HD 1200 single axle.

Home depot sells them. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Polar-Trailer-15-cu-ft-HD-1200-Trailer-8383/202326929

Hereís a link to Brinly. They make most of the good attachments for smaller lawn and garden mowers and tractors. I already have the stone rake, rear blade, and I have a 48Ē 600lb roller coming in this week. Check these guys out. Sears, Home depot, Lowes, Amazon all sell their stuff and Iím sure youíll find something that will make your life easier. Start with the tow behind sprayers. Robert should like those just for killing ticks.

https://brinly.com/

And finally, the coup De Resistance. This will arrive this week also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSl-l6WtVAk





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Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Scott Holtzman on May 29, 2018, 09:23:38 pm
Some 35 or more years ago I bought a good little garden tractor from Sears. 18 HP, tractor tires, weights, chains, electric lift front and rear, front blade, etc. It served me well, but had it's short comings when it came to real work, like plowing, dragging rakes, etc. But still, it was what I could afford at the time and I have no complaints.

Three weeks ago I ordered a new tractor from my John Deere dealer to the tune $9K (could have had one hell of a console for that.)

I bought the beast because the town is now in the final stages of re-working the street I live on, a project more than 20 years in the making. My wife and I decided long ago that nothing would be done outside until we were sure the town was done, and that time is here.

I've finished the boiler project and now to the outside, and that includes landscaping and painting the house, plus some long over due exterior maintenance. We've never had a lawn to speak of, and with the front yard over 1/2 acre the expense was in the $6K range just for the loam to cover with 4" depth.

So here comes the town taking a minor amount of frontage, then paying me for it, installing all new water lines, sewage lines, drainage, gas lines, cutting trees, widening the road, cement sidewalks, granite curb stone, and new trees.

After all of that and for me allowing them to use my yard to store equipment, giant rocks for walls, and anything else they had a need for, they were gracious enough to remove three giant pines at $4K each, no cost to me, 9ea. 10 wheel dump truck loads of loam, no cost to me, spread the loam over 95% of the yard, no cost to me, and plant three (3) new red oaks 8 feet in from the street in a nice straight line, no cost to me. Nice job by my town, and the contractor for the project is amazing.

In back of my house is another 1/2 acre lot that is wooded. Always wanted to clean it up, but never had the equipment to do it.

Finally, at 66 and with a recent heart attack I was really feeling the effort needed to move a 15hp Ariens snow blower up and down a very steep 2 car driveway over 250' long. So with a plan in place I decided to get rid of the old tractor wannabe and the snow blower, then buy a practical tractor that could:

Push snow and dirt, pull implements like stone rakes, blades, box graders, etc. WITHOUT a problem. The tractor had to be equipped with hydraulics front, rear and mower deck.

I also wanted a high capacity trailer, wood chipper, cover, weights, and a bucket if possible.

I looked at sub compacts from Deere, Kubota, Mahindra and a few other manufactures. All of them had a base price starting at around $14K, and then after adding attachments I could have easily spent upwards of $23-24K.

So while doing my homework I found out that JD had some very nice tractors known as the "X" series. I looked at the X700 series and found a very capable "lawn" tractor with 3 point hitch, power everything, etc. What I found was that the X700 series is more than I'll ever need, and that the cost would be in the $17K region with the attachments I wanted.

But, while at the dealer they showed me the X500 Select series. I had finally found my need fulfilled by a brand new John Deere X580 with;

Front, rear and mower deck hydraulics, full power steering, 48" hydraulic lift blade, 48" mower deck, hydraulic sleeve hitch, locking differential, suitcase weights, HDAP tires, 24HP Kawasaki engine, K72 transmission, lights, digital dash, HDAP tires, rear tire traction belts (for snow), etc. Cost $8700.00.

I then added a Polar cart with foot release tilt and swivel, extra capacity side rails, and the piece de resistance, a 15hp wood chipper. Add $3500, bringing the final cost to $12,200.

I guess I could have bought a very nice board for that money, but hell, whatever takes the load off of my back at this point.

Oh, the old tractor is for sale at $300, and the Ariens snow blower (2 years old and cost $2300) is available for $1K.

Pictures and link below;

Links;
https://www.deere.com/en/mowers/lawn-tractors/x500-series/x580-lawn-tractor/

http://stores.clamoutdoors.com/polar-trailer/trailers.html 
HD1500 with single axle, foot pedal release and side rails to increase capacity.

Some of you might like the HD 1200 single axle.

Home depot sells them. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Polar-Trailer-15-cu-ft-HD-1200-Trailer-8383/202326929

Hereís a link to Brinly. They make most of the good attachments for smaller lawn and garden mowers and tractors. I already have the stone rake, rear blade, and I have a 48Ē 600lb roller coming in this week. Check these guys out. Sears, Home depot, Lowes, Amazon all sell their stuff and Iím sure youíll find something that will make your life easier. Start with the tow behind sprayers. Robert should like those just for killing ticks.

https://brinly.com/

And finally, the coup De Resistance. This will arrive this week also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSl-l6WtVAk

That's a really nice tractor.  Even with chains I have never been able to get enough traction to push snow with a lawn tractor.  Interested to hear your results.

I have almost 2 acres, and until she went into hospice I also cut the neighbors lawn so 8 years ago I invested in a Bush Hog estate series zero turn.  Being able to cut and bag grass at warp speed (it has a blower to improve flow from the deck to the bagger) and maneuver around with no radius is really addicting. 

Have fun with your new tool!



Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Bob Leonard on May 29, 2018, 10:01:03 pm
The real test is up hill pushing or pulling dirt. I raked the entire half acre pulling a York/stone rake up and down the hill in 20 minutes today. No slipping and barely out of idle. Day before I worked a wooded corner in the yard with the 48" blade. Blade was 3" down and never stopped. That included moving a giant cement slab that had been there for over 30 years because it couldn't be moved in the past. I don't see any problems coming up pushing snow. They call the "X" series lawn tractors. Far more than that. Instead of a sub compact I'll put it in the sub sub compact class. If you want a lawn tractor you go to Sears, Home Depot, etc. and buy one of those, like the "D" series or Craftsman Pro Series, made by Husqvarna. They don't come anywhere close.
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on May 29, 2018, 10:32:05 pm
Nice Bob - very nice.
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Bob Leonard on May 29, 2018, 10:41:24 pm
Thank you Debbie.
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on May 29, 2018, 11:53:27 pm
You guys stealing trucks and lawn mowers have make me want to steal a soprano saxophone. The only problem is the one I want is back ordered by 6 months, and it would be more like the Keilwerth company would steal all my money in exchange for a soprano saxophone. :'(
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Craig Leerman on May 30, 2018, 01:57:59 am
Very nice!  Iíve never had a yard big enough to get a tractor. I just have one question, where do you mount the subwoofers?   :D
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Dave Scarlett on May 30, 2018, 06:23:23 am
My band:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7HEhH23v_4

But I have a Cub and a 8N at home.

Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: brian maddox on May 30, 2018, 06:42:04 am
Very nice!  Iíve never had a yard big enough to get a tractor. I just have one question, where do you mount the subwoofers?   :D

I too have never had the land mass large enough to justify such vehicles, but Iíve aleays wanted to.  Iím hoping my relocatiOn to Savannah GA may lead to such a palatial estate, particularly if my real estate acquisition plan is successful. Iíve always wanted a big boy tractor since my cousin would climb up on his big red rig, the kind with the big rear tires and one or two little front ones stuck together.  Manly mans tractor.  I was in awe.  Maybe my time will come.  Just maybe.
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Bob Leonard on May 30, 2018, 08:12:14 am
Very nice!  I’ve never had a yard big enough to get a tractor. I just have one question, where do you mount the subwoofers?   :D

In the cart behind me you silly goose.
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: TJ (Tom) Cornish on May 30, 2018, 08:15:13 am
You'll like it.  John Deere has the ergonomics down.  I have a 1 1/2 acre lot and have a Deere Compact Utility tractor that's been great.  I don't have subwoofers mounted on mine, however I did wire up an NL4 connector for my sprayer.
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Bob Leonard on May 30, 2018, 10:29:35 am
You'll like it.  John Deere has the ergonomics down.  I have a 1 1/2 acre lot and have a Deere Compact Utility tractor that's been great.  I don't have subwoofers mounted on mine, however I did wire up an NL4 connector for my sprayer.

How is the NL4 working out as far as exposure to weather goes Tom. I have the 125lb electric spreader and am not fond of running the wiring harness outside of the chassis. The switch is mounted on the spreader itself, but power comes from under the dash with the harness running beside the foot rest.
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: John Fruits on May 30, 2018, 10:51:57 am
Nice gear, between your X580 and the wood chipper, it is certainly a colorful rig.  Is that price for the snow blower a special "off-season" price, should you not sell it right away will the price go up when winter gets closer?
The important question, did the dealer give you a John Deere hat?
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: TJ (Tom) Cornish on May 30, 2018, 11:11:07 am
How is the NL4 working out as far as exposure to weather goes Tom. I have the 125lb electric spreader and am not fond of running the wiring harness outside of the chassis. The switch is mounted on the spreader itself, but power comes from under the dash with the harness running beside the foot rest.
I keep it taped with e-tape when not in use.  It's been fine so far.
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Dave Pluke on May 30, 2018, 11:18:49 am
cart  dash

Even a fuel gauge?  Fancy schmanzy, Bob!

As to the snow plow attachment, I'm reminded of the anecdote of someone strapping a snowthrower to the trunk of their car and, at the moment someone asked them; "what the heck is THAT thing???", would know they'd moved far enough south.

Glad to be out of the serious snow belt,
Dave
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: John Fruits on May 30, 2018, 11:27:29 am
I'm reminded of the anecdote of someone strapping a snowthrower to the trunk of their car and, at the moment someone asked them; "what the heck is THAT thing???", would know they'd moved far enough south.


Dave

Ah you can't beat the classics, Homer (not Simpson) even.
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: W. Mark Hellinger on May 30, 2018, 12:39:40 pm
Even with chains I have never been able to get enough traction to push snow with a lawn tractor.  Interested to hear your results.
I have a 1980's(?) JD 300 / 16HP single cylinder Kohlar, outfitted with a 4 1/2ft. snow blade, which seemingly serves me pretty well for pushing snow... up to a point.  I have about 10,000sq. ft. of concrete & asphalt surfaces I need to keep clear for daily shipping needs.  The JD & blade works well if I get after it early in the morning... get the snow off before it gets packed to ice.  But it only "pushes snow"... it won't pile it up, and it will only effectively handle up-to maybe 6" deep snow... depending on how heavy the snow is.  I have a skidsteer for when the snow situation gets more serious than what the JD will effectively handle.  Good chains are a must.  I built my JD tractor chains from heavy duty automotive/pick-up chains and doubled-up the crosslinks, for a smoother ride and more traction.  My JD chains are a bugger to put on... gotta let the air out of the tires to get the chains on... but they're a good tight fit once on.  There's definitely some tricks to effectively plowing snow with the blade:  "Enough speed", angling the blade appropriately, it's much better to push down-hill than up-hill, knowing when to use the hydraulic float and when not-to, stay off gravel surfaces if they aren't froze, don't try to back up-hill, etc... 

I really wish that 300 had power steering... and foot controls like the X series for travel because riding the hydrostat lever per the 300 sometimes requires three hands for operation:  Riding the hydrostat lever, steering, and riding the blade hydraulic levers.
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: lindsay Dean on May 30, 2018, 02:12:17 pm
That's a very nice tractorette .


 where I come from if it can't pull a plow, it's not a tractor.   :)
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Rob Spence on May 30, 2018, 04:08:49 pm
Nice rig Bob. Hope you are feeling better.

I have a 3 point hitch grader blade for my tractor (Kubota compact). If you ever need it, let me know.



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Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on May 30, 2018, 04:29:51 pm
So.... a bit more info on me that helps folks here to realize just how much of a tom boy I am...
I've ALWAYS wanted to own a small tractor and the land to justify owning one.

Sadly what I have now is probably the closest I have ever been ( and will ever be) with my 2-1/2 acres and my Craftsman ride on mower. Most of the land is wooded though and the parts that are not have slopes.
I'd love a small Kabota or something with a mower attachment just so I could say I own a tractor. 
The Crafstman has been fantastic. I purchased it when I first moved here almost 12 years ago. My one neighbor bought a John Deere ( big box faux type I think) and the other neighbor bought a Toro or Troybuilt. They have both had theirs in the shop more than once even with yearly servicing by the local dealers.... Mine - hardly ever touch it apart from adding gas and maybe some oil and it has NEVER let me down.
Did I just tempt providence? Does this mean I gets me a real tractor?

I'm jealous Bob.
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: W. Mark Hellinger on May 30, 2018, 07:49:06 pm
That's a very nice tractorette .


 where I come from if it can't pull a plow, it's not a tractor.   :)
If I understand correctly, what differentiates a tractor from a riding mower hinges on "ground engaging"... meaning (yes), if it can pull a plow, IE:  has a substantial hitch (not pressed steel like substance) and a 100% duty cycle drivetrain, then it's classed as a tractor.

I think the X500 and X700 series JD garden tractors qualify as "tractors".

I own a 1966 Chevy Pick-up... my employee owns a 2016 Ford "TRUCK"... I don't know when or how pick-ups graduated to being "TRUCKS"... to me a truck is a truck... being something much more robust than a pick-up and with a GVW sticker on the side... and the owner pays tonnage tax.

BTW:  My elderly neighbor owns a vintage tractor... I forget what it is... I think it's a Cat 2 Ton or similar.  Interestingly my garden tractor and his old Cat are rated at similar horse power (I think)Ö but there's major differences:  I suspect his tractor's radiator weighs more than my garden tractor.  And I strongly suspect his tractor could outpull mine hands down... like "no contest".  I think mine's easier to start (just hit the key) and rides smoother.  And mine has a beverage holder... major plus there!
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Bob Leonard on May 30, 2018, 08:31:01 pm
Nice gear, between your X580 and the wood chipper, it is certainly a colorful rig.  Is that price for the snow blower a special "off-season" price, should you not sell it right away will the price go up when winter gets closer?
The important question, did the dealer give you a John Deere hat?

Yes, the dealer gave me a John Deere hat. And, I had a tooth pulled today. I look like the front row of a Dolly Parton concert.
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Bob Leonard on May 30, 2018, 08:35:02 pm
That's a very nice tractorette .


 where I come from if it can't pull a plow, it's not a tractor.   :)

This one pulls a plow, but still, it's a tractorette. Exactly what my son in law called it. He's from Indiana and grew up on a farm with plenty of large tractor time.
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Bob Leonard on May 30, 2018, 08:39:59 pm
Nice rig Bob. Hope you are feeling better.

I have a 3 point hitch grader blade for my tractor (Kubota compact). If you ever need it, let me know.



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Not enough hydraulics for a 3 point hitch Rob. Those come on the add $6K to what I spent tractors. I have plenty of ground engaging attachments, and I finished putting on the sleeve hitch last night.
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Bob Leonard on May 30, 2018, 08:53:13 pm
If I understand correctly, what differentiates a tractor from a riding mower hinges on "ground engaging"... meaning (yes), if it can pull a plow, IE:  has a substantial hitch (not pressed steel like substance) and a 100% duty cycle drivetrain, then it's classed as a tractor.

I think the X500 and X700 series JD garden tractors qualify as "tractors".

I own a 1966 Chevy Pick-up... my employee owns a 2016 Ford "TRUCK"... I don't know when or how pick-ups graduated to being "TRUCKS"... to me a truck is a truck... being something much more robust than a pick-up and with a GVW sticker on the side... and the owner pays tonnage tax.

BTW:  My elderly neighbor owns a vintage tractor... I forget what it is... I think it's a Cat 2 Ton or similar.  Interestingly my garden tractor and his old Cat are rated at similar horse power (I think)… but there's major differences:  I suspect his tractor's radiator weighs more than my garden tractor.  And I strongly suspect his tractor could outpull mine hands down... like "no contest".  I think mine's easier to start (just hit the key) and rides smoother.  And mine has a beverage holder... major plus there!

Mark,

I bought the JD sleeve hitch. They call it the "integral power hitch". Runs off of the hydraulic system, and what a bitch to put it on. I had to pull of the fenders and whole upper body along with the foot pedals, and the instructions where as clear as mud. My first test was to pull a stone rake through loam up a 30 degree incline. Never broke a sweat even with the tines 3" into the dirt. Good down force and plenty of power to lift the heaviest implements made for a sleeve hitch. The hitch assembly is made in the USA from 3/8" x 2 1/2" steel all around. There are other attachments including a hydraulic powered rototiller, etc.. But right now I have the 48" front blade, 48" rear blade, 48" York rake, 48" mowing deck, 3/4 ton cart, brush guard, electric 125lb spreader, 600lb roller, and chipper. I'm all set for now. One of the finer points is the K72 transmission designed for heavy duty ground breaking abuse. Add the 4 year 500 hour full coverage warranty and I'm all set...... For now.
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Bob Leonard on May 30, 2018, 09:06:17 pm
Nice rig Bob. Hope you are feeling better.

I have a 3 point hitch grader blade for my tractor (Kubota compact). If you ever need it, let me know.



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I couldn't see jumping into the sub compact lineup, JD or Kubota. You've seen my place and unlike you with your palatial estate I really have no need for a tractor of that size or capabilty. Would have liked front bucket capability though. The goal was actually a practical goal. Cost of equipment vs. cost of landscaper and care after the landscaping. Small tractor won hands down.

My new chipper arrived today. The chipper I ordered was advertised as 15hp. The chipper I received is 10hp. I was more than bullshit about that so I called the company and the Ebay reseller. The reseller had posted information for a chipper not available for over 6 months and the one I received is the new upgraded version of the product. The only difference being the horse power. The company, Power King was more than helpful and worked a $300 dollar refund from the price, dropping my cost to $2K. Chipper is rated is rated for 4" limbs.

So, after getting the thing put together I went out back and chewed up a bunch of 3-4" pine limbs, particle board, 2" square oak bracing, and a 2x4 just for grins. This thing has a 60lb drum type cutter with 2 high speed steel blades and auto feed. It worked great and the 10hp did the job, so I'll keep it.

Funny thing though. They're sending me a new emergency stop switch, one of the new enhancements, because the switch top and retainer vibrated off into the intake spitting it into the back woods to places unknown.

Check out the video. First thing he shows is the switch that vibrated off into the chipper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLEJOqP0LN0
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Scott Holtzman on May 31, 2018, 12:02:00 am

Check out the video. First thing he shows is the switch that vibrated off into the chipper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLEJOqP0LN0

The little graphic of your fingers getting cut off on the guard is interesting. 

Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Art Welter on May 31, 2018, 12:55:15 am
The little graphic of your fingers getting cut off on the guard is interesting.
"Chipper is rated is rated for 4" limbs"..
Arms, legs, whatever kind of limbs...Bye now!
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Scott Holtzman on May 31, 2018, 01:40:26 am
"Chipper is rated is rated for 4" limbs"..
Arms, legs, whatever kind of limbs...Bye now!
Man, we are a twisted bunch.

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Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Aaron Maurer on May 31, 2018, 09:02:57 am
Yes, the dealer gave me a John Deere hat. And, I had a tooth pulled today. I look like the front row of a Dolly Parton concert.

You have a decent snow plowing machine. Both my dad and myself have John Deere 335 tractors. The locking rear on these really help and you will defiantly need tire chains and possibly wheel weights for any serious plowing. Dads driveway is pretty steep and has no issues going up plowing 8-10Ē. As others stated you may not be able to stack snow just push the pile as far as you can to get it out of the way. It will stack to a certain degree but you get to a point where the blade gets buried and you can get stuck. Only issues I have is the front end on this series is a bit light maybe filling the front tires? Wonít  get you a lot of weight but may help. Certainly not a show stopper for snow duty mowing is a pleasure I have the 54Ē deck which helps be hit under the trees and extends it far enough in the flower beds to cut my wifeís plants.  I also had a wisdom tooth pulled yesterday!  Thought I would be taking all four of them with me to the end but that plan didnít work. Enjoy the tractor they are great machines both my father and I really like ours.
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Bob Leonard on May 31, 2018, 05:03:47 pm
Thanks for the heads up Aaron! Up until about 3 years ago I used my 35 year old Craftsman 18HP GT to plow the driveway. That little GT has bar tires, 200lbs of wheel weight in the rear, chains and a 40" blade up front. Lift is electric front and back. My driveway is 21/2 cars wide, up a pretty good incline, and really a bitch to plow or use a snow blower on.

The 15HP Ariens did/does a super job regardless of snow depth, but as I'm aging and not in the best health lately, this was the last winter for me manhandling the 400lb beast up and down the hill. So, the snow blower and old GT are going with the proceeds towards the JD.

The X580 is 10 times the tractor I had been using. Thinking ahead I bought Terra grips and had the tractor ship with HDAP tires in the rear, 24x12-12. Not many video's on the web showing the 580, but here's a link to a 590 which is the same as the 580, the exceptions being a special seat and fuel injection for an additional $1000. The video is of a 590/580 pulling the JD hydraulic tiller. Pictures can be deceiving. The 580 is a lot more tractorette than you may think.

The tractor in the video has HDAP tires on it, no chains and no additional weight that I can see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVUTiNq-yf0


Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: W. Mark Hellinger on June 02, 2018, 11:20:42 pm
which is the same as the 580, the exceptions being a special seat and fuel injection
Reading into this, I presume your JD580 is carbureted.  If so, I'll suggest I have two X700 machines, both carbureted.  I have just a bit short of 1K hours on each machine.  The only problem I've had to-date with these machines, and I had the same problem on both, is the fuel shut-off solenoid on the carb... both failed @ approx. 600 - 700 hrs.  Our town also owns a JD X series garden tractor, and it's carb solenoid failed as well... the town's machine takes the same carb solenoid as mine... I just happened to have a spare on my shelf when the town's fix-it guy came to me a couple years ago (on a Saturday as I recall), hat in hand (the machine won't start and there's snow to plow).

And I'll suggest changing the deck belt is a bit of a chore... on my X700's anyway as you gotta drop (remove) the deck and un-bolt the right-angle drive box... but it affords a good opportunity to check/fill the deck's right-angle drive box and grease the deck driveshaft... and do a deep clean of the underside of the mower deck (and repaint).
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Bob Leonard on June 03, 2018, 07:30:36 pm
X700 is a beautiful tractor Mark. Why is it you have a pair?? I hadn't heard of any real issues with the Kawasaki engines, but I suppose there has to be something regardless of manufacture. Any other issues? The 700 uses the K90 transaxle, the 500 series uses the K72. Anything to watch for in that department?
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Post by: W. Mark Hellinger on June 04, 2018, 11:07:33 am
X700 is a beautiful tractor Mark. Why is it you have a pair??
I have grounds maintenance at two locations 8 miles apart... 3 acres "here" and 4 acres "there".  I got a no-brainer deal on the second one and I figured having 2 provides for a plan B if need be.

Any other issues? The 700 uses the K90 transaxle, the 500 series uses the K72. Anything to watch for in that department?
Not that I'm aware of yet concerning the drive train... all that seems bullet proof.  I bought both of my X700's used... but real low hours... less than 500 total hours combined.  As I recall the 2nd one only had about 200 hours on it when I bought it.  The 2nd one was surplus-ed by a school and exhibited signs of likely having been sitting (outside I think) for years(?).  There was some minor corrosion problems with the wiring/connectors under the dash/behind the radiator... not really a fault of the machine, but rather due to neglect. 
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Bob Leonard on June 04, 2018, 09:45:00 pm
Nice, very nice. I looked at the 700's but by the time I configured the tractor they were in the same ball park as the sub compacts, and both were more than I'll need in my lifetime. Hauled the chipper around the yard this weekend and filled the CLAM Cart to the brim 4 times, 35 cubic feet each time. Then loaded it with oak logs 3 more times figuring at least 700lb per load. I had no issues and the wide stance combined with the high clearance on the cart was a blessing in disguise.

Tomorrow after work I'll rake and grade the last bit of ground needing loam, have a couple of loads brought in Wednesday and try to have it spread by Saturday. If that works out I'll re-seed and fertilize the entire front again, roll the loam, and get the sprinklers going. After that point I can start on the house trim and painting. Need to get this all done before I take the dirt nap.
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Post by: W. Mark Hellinger on June 07, 2018, 10:57:24 am
I thought of a couple "heads-up" to pass on:

1)  I don't know about the X500, but if it uses the same or similar deck belt as the X700, then it's rather expensive (to my way of thinking how things ought to be)... just shy of $100... which would be ok (cough) if the belt lasted... and I think they maybe could (last)Ö but I've had to replace too many of them to wonder "what's up with that?"  I think I've figured it out though:  I think what's been the demise of my deck belts has been gravel and/or branch chips & chunks on the deck surface... especially if said debris makes it's way under the plastic safety shields over the outside two pullies.  I'm now more vigilant on checking for and removing "belt eaters" on the deck and am getting much more life out of the belt(s).

2)  Also, associated with the deck belt:  The deck belt vibrates quite a bit... not a big deal in itself... but due to the design of the left plastic safety shield over the left blade pully... the belt does a marvelous job of machining a ever widening notch in the shield where the belt goes through the front of the shield.  In-fact it does such a good job of machining the notch, the ever widening notch almost looks "factory".  Trouble is, one of the attachment nuts for the shield is "right there", and there's not much shield to be eaten away by the belt before it's gone as far as that attachment nut goes.  I've made and installed an "L" shaped 1" wide aluminum "slapper shield" for the belt to vibrate against "there" on both of my machines.  The other 3 belt entrances/exits on the two shields don't have this problem.  I could send you a picture if you're interested?
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Post by: Jonathan Johnson on June 07, 2018, 03:32:37 pm
1)  I don't know about the X500, but if it uses the same or similar deck belt as the X700, then it's rather expensive (to my way of thinking how things ought to be)... just shy of $100... which would be ok (cough) if the belt lasted... and I think they maybe could (last)Ö but I've had to replace too many of them to wonder "what's up with that?"  I think I've figured it out though:  I think what's been the demise of my deck belts has been gravel and/or branch chips & chunks on the deck surface... especially if said debris makes it's way under the plastic safety shields over the outside two pullies.  I'm now more vigilant on checking for and removing "belt eaters" on the deck and am getting much more life out of the belt(s).

The slickest thing I've found for cleaning the loose grass and duff off of the top of my mower deck (it's not a JD) after a mowing session is a leaf blower.
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Post by: GenePink on June 14, 2018, 05:33:24 am
Hey Bob, since you are a handy guy, have you considered instead of selling off your old snowblower, grafting it onto the front of your new tractor? Is your snowblower as wide as the wheelbase of the tractor?

A lot easier to push than a plow. Pushing dirt is easy because you get rear-wheel traction, but even chains and counterweights ain't gonna help much with traction in the snow.

Gene
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Bob Leonard on June 14, 2018, 07:02:24 am
Mark - Yes, please send pictures, and thank you.

Gene,

I had given that a thought, but I can probably sell off the Ariens Pro for enough money to pay for the JD factory kit.

I really don't think I'll be having any issues with the 48" blade. I used it to move two dump trucks of loam last week, then dragged the loam with a 52" box blade, raked the loam with a 48" landscape rake, seeded and fertilized 1/2 acre (in less than an hour), then hauled a 600lb roller all over the yard up and down, over and across the hill. Never put on the traction belts, and never slipped once with the diff lock engaged.

I'm also liking the fuel economy of the 24hp Kawasaki. 4.5 gallons gets me 10 hours on the clock. Not bad at all.

PS - 80lbs of seed, 150lbs of fertilizer. The spreader holds about 150lbs and works perfectly.
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Post by: W. Mark Hellinger on June 14, 2018, 05:39:46 pm

I'm also liking the fuel economy of the 24hp Kawasaki. 4.5 gallons gets me 10 hours on the clock. Not bad at all.

I've found that bringing the throttle down a bit off full-speed while mowing seems to conserve fuel additionally... fairly noticeably at that.  Admittedly there are conditions where full throttle mowing is warranted, especially if full oomph from the fan action of the blades is needed... but there's conditions when backed off a little from full throttle seemingly does just as good of job with fewer gas tank refills.  And on both my X700's there's a throttle/engine RPM sweet-spot just down a bit from full throttle where the belt whistle greatly diminishes... which I'm cognizant of to keep good relations with the neighbors.
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Post by: John Roberts {JR} on June 14, 2018, 07:48:59 pm
I've found that bringing the throttle down a bit off full-speed while mowing seems to conserve fuel additionally... fairly noticeably at that.  Admittedly there are conditions where full throttle mowing is warranted, especially if full oomph from the fan action of the blades is needed... but there's conditions when backed off a little from full throttle seemingly does just as good of job with fewer gas tank refills.  And on both my X700's there's a throttle/engine RPM sweet-spot just down a bit from full throttle where the belt whistle greatly diminishes... which I'm cognizant of to keep good relations with the neighbors.
I've only got 25 hp but the advice is to keep the throttle high for best reliability.

It only takes me 20 minutes to cut my grass,,, but hours to do the trim.... :o

JR
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Bob Leonard on June 14, 2018, 09:29:43 pm
36 years, no lawn, no trim. Just pine needles and rocky course sand.
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Post by: W. Mark Hellinger on June 16, 2018, 11:21:11 am
I've only got 25 hp but the advice is to keep the throttle high for best reliability.
I've wondered about this.  I figured these machines are engineered to the hilt, but it seems like both my X700's have their governors set just a tad too high... and backing off just a tad from full throttle, when I don't really seem to need full throttle... both machines seem to act more "civilized".

Kind-of related but different:  A couple decades ago I purchased a new air compressor.  Directly after I installed it and powered it up, it seemed the compressor was geared unnecessarily fast... both the motor and compressor where running really hot and the motor seemed to strain at start-up, especially at cold temps.  Admittedly it was likely delivering the rated cubic feet per minute... but I didn't really need that much air routinely.  So I changed out the motor pully (to a smaller diameter size) and belt so the compressor runs at about 3/4 speed of factory... and it seems much happier... much quieter too... and has been reliably chuffing away since.
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: John Roberts {JR} on June 16, 2018, 01:23:04 pm
I've wondered about this.  I figured these machines are engineered to the hilt, but it seems like both my X700's have their governors set just a tad too high... and backing off just a tad from full throttle, when I don't really seem to need full throttle... both machines seem to act more "civilized".

Kind-of related but different:  A couple decades ago I purchased a new air compressor.  Directly after I installed it and powered it up, it seemed the compressor was geared unnecessarily fast... both the motor and compressor where running really hot and the motor seemed to strain at start-up, especially at cold temps.  Admittedly it was likely delivering the rated cubic feet per minute... but I didn't really need that much air routinely.  So I changed out the motor pully (to a smaller diameter size) and belt so the compressor runs at about 3/4 speed of factory... and it seems much happier... much quieter too... and has been reliably chuffing away since.
Kind of like running every amp at 2 ohms....

Cooler is cool.

JR
[edit] OK hard to find a straight answer but hydrostatic drives can have problems from too low pressure on the low pressure side (like cavitation that can heat fluid). I've seen multiple recommendations to use the rabbit (fast) throttle setting (don't be a turtle). Mt local repair guy who fixes these puppies made a similar recommendation,,, I don't push it to the max, but fast enough to keep it happy (i hope). Saving gas while possible damaging the hydrostatic drive seems like a false economy. Fast enough, should be fast enough... be the rabbit.   [/edit]
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Bob Leonard on June 17, 2018, 11:35:58 am
JD has a broad setting indicator on the throttle where the sweet spot for mowing is located on the X580. Set the throttle in that area and be done. Myself? I never feel the need to run anything at full power output if the job can be done with less. Even when pushing the loam I never went much out of fast idle with this thing.

What's most noticeable is that the rpm remains CONSTANT regardless of load, and unlike any other engine I have or have used through the years, B&S, Tecumseh, Kohler, etc., there is no power surge that can be noticed. I fast becoming impressed with the Kawasaki. Another point is that this X580 doesn't sound like a lawn mower. Nice low throaty sound that's easy to listen to and easy to talk over.

http://www.kawasakienginesusa.com/engines/fs/fs730v

http://www.tufftorq.com/product/k72/
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: W. Mark Hellinger on June 17, 2018, 04:09:32 pm
Kind of like running every amp at 2 ohms....

Cooler is cool.

JR
[edit] OK hard to find a straight answer but hydrostatic drives can have problems from too low pressure on the low pressure side (like cavitation that can heat fluid). I've seen multiple recommendations to use the rabbit (fast) throttle setting (don't be a turtle). Mt local repair guy who fixes these puppies made a similar recommendation,,, I don't push it to the max, but fast enough to keep it happy (i hope). Saving gas while possible damaging the hydrostatic drive seems like a false economy. Fast enough, should be fast enough... be the rabbit.   [/edit]

Good points.  For some reason the "dangers of underpowering speakers" comes to mind, but I understand there's a difference or maybe similarities in cavitating amplifiers vs. cavitating hydrostats.

I'll offer I have an early '80's JD 300 garden tractor... it used to be my #1 do everything machine (mow, rototill, push snow and driveway gravel, haul around it's little trailer, haul me back and forth to the post office, place for the birds to roost (on the steering wheel), etc...)  I bought that JD 300 cheap at an auction a couple decades ago with boo-coo hours on it at the time and who knows what it's history was at the time... it was in pretty rough shape when I bought it (looked like it had been rode hard and put away wet for most of it's prior life), but technically "ran" (sort-of).  I freshened it up, and have since put boo-coo more hours on it.  Since getting my X700's (as a solution to our then kitchen window blind incident), the old faithful 300 has been relegated to permanent rototiller duty.  Through it all, that 300 has done a lot of work @ decidedly down from full throttle and a bunch more at WOT... and still pulls like a rented mule... as long as I keep the hydrostat topped off... the steel hydraulic lines on that machine drool like a moose eating apples.

I am aware of hydrostat (?) problems galore with non ground engaging "riding mowers".
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Post by: John Roberts {JR} on June 17, 2018, 04:22:36 pm
Good points.  For some reason the "dangers of underpowering speakers" comes to mind, but I understand there's a difference or maybe similarities in cavitating amplifiers vs. cavitating hydrostats.
not close... damaging speakers by under powering is a well examined audio myth.
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I'll offer I have an early '80's JD 300 garden tractor... it used to be my #1 do everything machine (mow, rototill, push snow and driveway gravel, haul around it's little trailer, haul me back and forth to the post office, place for the birds to roost (on the steering wheel), etc...)  I bought that JD 300 cheap at an auction a couple decades ago with boo-coo hours on it at the time and who knows what it's history was at the time... it was in pretty rough shape when I bought it (looked like it had been rode hard and put away wet for most of it's prior life), but technically "ran" (sort-of).  I freshened it up, and have since put boo-coo more hours on it.  Since getting my X700's (as a solution to our then kitchen window blind incident), the old faithful 300 has been relegated to permanent rototiller duty.  Through it all, that 300 has done a lot of work @ decidedly down from full throttle and a bunch more at WOT... and still pulls like a rented mule... as long as I keep the hydrostat topped off... the steel hydraulic lines on that machine drool like a moose eating apples.
beaucoup  (FR for many)
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I am aware of hydrostat (?) problems galore with non ground engaging "riding mowers".
I am trying to avoid same by taking advice from trustworthy sources (operate closer to rabbit than turtle).

JR
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Post by: Bob Leonard on June 17, 2018, 09:49:36 pm
The problem with box store "tractors" today is, and always will, be the integrated transaxle / transmission. My 35 year old Craftsman 18hp GT never had a tranny problem, simply because it was 6 speed manual. If you could get traction you could pull a house, and I'll guarantee you I tried. I had some minor issues including an engine rebuild, starter, batteries, fuel pump and starter relay. But never the transmission or axels.

The tranny on the box store mowers are not meant for any type of ground engaging work, or even heavy pulling up hills. Yet, there are 100 attachments that will hook by pin to the back and although some are not ever going to be an issue, box blades and 600lb rollers will be a problem.

Just like speaker heat is the enemy, so what to do? First thing I did was check for tranny type and available accessories/attachments. From all reports Tuff Torq is by far the tranny leader in this department, However, there are many models to choose from, just like speakers.

The entry level trannies used by Husqvarna, Sears, Cub Cadet and others are light duty / intermittent duty transmissions. Never meant for all day work under most conditions, and really not even meant for pushing snow and pulling heavy loads. These are the TT K48, 57, and 58 which almost every box store "tractor" uses regardless of horse power. Cost about $500. A good replacement would be the K66 if you have $1000 to blow.

The worst part about these transmissions is that they really aren't serviceable. Most don't have the option to replace or change a filter, and none of these have an oil reservoir or are designed so the fluid can be changed.

The JD select series like the X580 I bought come at a steep price, and for the almost $10,000 I spent I could have had one hell of a board, new speakers, been drunk for a long time, etc.. The benefit of spending that kind of money is equal to spending better money on audio hardware, and you get what you pay for.

The Select series all have Tuff Torq K72 transmissions. I've read a few bad things, but the approval rating is through the roof, and the K72 is considered one of the best ground engaging trannies available. Removable filter, oil reservoir, and 6 quarts of oil to keep it nice and cool all day long. 1" axel and 430 foot pounds of torque at the axel. Cost for the tranny is $2300.

The final step in the series is the almighty K92 used in the X700 series, rated by far the best of the best with a 1" axel and axel torque rating of 650 foot pounds. The cost is at or about $3600.

You also need to keep in mind that the larger units also supply hydraulics for the front, rear, PTO, brakes and steering. My suggestion is simple. Regardless of where you buy the riding mower, YT, GT, or whatever it's being called take a look at the rear tires. If they're 23" or larger then take a second look if you're interested. Why? Because all of these transmissions are rated for a specific tire size, and just like life, bigger is better.

Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Scott Holtzman on June 17, 2018, 10:17:31 pm
While you guys are talking about operating RPM it got me to thinking.  I was told to always run my Bush Hog Zero Turn at full power as the rear wheels drive off of hydraulic power packs.  SV820 23HP Kohler engine has been bulletproof. 
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Bob Leonard on June 18, 2018, 08:01:04 am
That would be a myth Scott. ZT mowers rely on a pair of units, one for each wheel. These units are designed to have a maximum rpm, not a minimum rpm. The maximum rpm for the hydro tranny is determined by motor rpm and the size of the drive pulley. Running at top rpm only creates more heat, pushing the hydro drive to its limits.

Also, the oil should be changed at 50hrs and at every 200 hours after that.

A quick check shows Bush Hog uses Hydro Gear units. Depending on the model you own it won't have anything smaller than the unit at the link below. The operating range is 1800 rpm to 3600 max rpm. MAX 3600.

http://www.hydro-gear.com/zt3100/

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Post by: John Roberts {JR} on June 18, 2018, 09:21:03 am
That would be a myth Scott. ZT mowers rely on a pair of units, one for each wheel. These units are designed to have a maximum rpm, not a minimum rpm. The maximum rpm for the hydro tranny is determined by motor rpm and the size of the drive pulley. Running at top rpm only creates more heat, pushing the hydro drive to its limits.

Also, the oil should be changed at 50hrs and at every 200 hours after that.

A quick check shows Bush Hog uses Hydro Gear units. Depending on the model you own it won't have anything smaller than the unit at the link below. The operating range is 1800 rpm to 3600 max rpm. MAX 3600.

http://www.hydro-gear.com/zt3100/
1800-3600 rpm sounds like a minimum speed recommendation to me (not below 50% max).

While I haven't found a definitive published explanation, cavitation in the low pressure side from too low RPM sounds plausible. While my explanation may be myth, the advice to not run them loaded at too low throttle seems pretty universal, including from people I trust (people who repair them).

Of course this is an audio forum so caveat lector.

JR
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Post by: TJ (Tom) Cornish on June 18, 2018, 09:32:56 am
1800-3600 rpm sounds like a minimum speed recommendation to me (not below 50% max).

While I haven't found a definitive published explanation, cavitation in the low pressure side from too low RPM sounds plausible. While my explanation may be myth, the advice to not run them loaded at too low throttle seems pretty universal, including from people I trust (people who repair them).

Of course this is an audio forum so caveat lector.

JR
I would agree with this.  I have a JD 4110 compact utility tractor (21HP diesel, fully hydraulic) and I get very little useful work done at less than 1/2 rated speed (on my tractor that's more like 1200-2400 RPM, but same principle). 
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Post by: Steve Crump on June 18, 2018, 09:40:03 am
I would agree with this.  I have a JD 4110 compact utility tractor (21HP diesel, fully hydraulic) and I get very little useful work done at less than 1/2 rated speed (on my tractor that's more like 1200-2400 RPM, but same principle).


+1.
I have a Kubota B2910 and a Kubota TG1860, both diesels and get the same results as Tom.
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Post by: Bob Leonard on June 18, 2018, 02:25:08 pm
I have to agree to all the above. I also feel half throttle about all you ever need, and on my machine that's a bit less than 2000 rpm. My point above was that there is no reason to constantly run equipment at full throttle. It's hard on the equipment.
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Post by: Scott Holtzman on June 18, 2018, 05:25:38 pm
I have to agree to all the above. I also feel half throttle about all you ever need, and on my machine that's a bit less than 2000 rpm. My point above was that there is no reason to constantly run equipment at full throttle. It's hard on the equipment.

My blades are belt driven so now I want to let some grass grow to see if 2000 RPM is enough blade velocity to tackle the tough stuff.

I need to find a torque curve for the engine.  I would imagine for the blades peak torque is more important than RPM.

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Post by: Tim McCulloch on June 18, 2018, 05:43:23 pm
I have to agree to all the above. I also feel half throttle about all you ever need, and on my machine that's a bit less than 2000 rpm. My point above was that there is no reason to constantly run equipment at full throttle. It's hard on the equipment.

Yepper.

My maternal grandfather used to back off throttle position by pitch, I think.  Whatever "red line" sounded like, to my ear he'd back down by about a major third and adjust up or down depending upon conditions and load.
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Post by: Rob Spence on June 18, 2018, 08:44:35 pm

+1.
I have a Kubota B2910 and a Kubota TG1860, both diesels and get the same results as Tom.

Agreed. I have a Kubota BX22 with the 3 cyl diesel. 22hp  I remember right. The only time I run it WOT is with the snow blower in heavy snow. No belts.



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Post by: Steve Crump on June 18, 2018, 10:30:43 pm
I have to agree to all the above. I also feel half throttle about all you ever need, and on my machine that's a bit less than 2000 rpm. My point above was that there is no reason to constantly run equipment at full throttle. It's hard on the equipment.


I agree with that thought. With very few exceptions, the hardest I push my tractor is bush hogging. I use a mid-weight 60Ē bush hog. I run an engine speed at around 1800-1900 RPM or at least according to the tachometer on the console.
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Post by: Jonathan Johnson on June 19, 2018, 12:54:35 am

I agree with that thought. With very few exceptions, the hardest I push my tractor is bush hogging. I use a mid-weight 60Ē bush hog. I run an engine speed at around 1800-1900 RPM or at least according to the tachometer on the console.

Standard PTO speeds are 540 and 1000 RPM. Often the engine speed that corresponds with 540 or 1000 PTO RPM is marked on the tach, and it's somewhat less than full throttle.

It's my understanding that many implements are designed for most effective operation on a PTO turning at 540 or 1000 RPM. That doesn't necessarily translate to a typical riding mower, but it seems to me that full throttle may not be ideal there, either.
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Post by: Steve Crump on June 19, 2018, 09:35:34 am
Standard PTO speeds are 540 and 1000 RPM. Often the engine speed that corresponds with 540 or 1000 PTO RPM is marked on the tach, and it's somewhat less than full throttle.

It's my understanding that many implements are designed for most effective operation on a PTO turning at 540 or 1000 RPM. That doesn't necessarily translate to a typical riding mower, but it seems to me that full throttle may not be ideal there, either.

You are correct. The rear PTO on mine is 540 and the tachometer indicator for the PTO puts the engine speed at around 2600 RPM, (which is at rated HP), which that is less than full throttle. But for the small grass/weed field that I cut 3 to 4 times a year with the tractor, I prefer around the 2000 mark. It makes for an easy day and the engine just sings.

As far a lawn mower, I can only speak to my experience with the TG1860. I have no idea about the specs. I got a killer deal on it used about 14 years ago, it was traded in on a zero turn and only had 200 hours on it. I have the Kubota dealer service it at the intervals listed under the hood. As bad as I hate to admit it all I do is start the engine, hit the throttle to max and cut my lawn. The little diesel is unbelievable, even when we have been busy and haven't cut the grass for a while, the TG1860 just lays waste to the yard. 
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Post by: Bob Leonard on June 19, 2018, 12:48:11 pm
Wish they had a little diesel option for the X500 series, because I would have gone that route. JD uses Yanmar for the most part in the smaller tractors.

I wonder if any of you has priced a small tractor lately. I wanted a 3 point hitch and front end loader, which meant the X700 series minimum, or sub compact if I went with Kubota or anyone else. The X700 series got me to $12,000 just for the tractor and by the time I had added what I wanted the price was around $18-19K.

Sub compacts were worse usually getting into the low to mid $20K region, and I just couldn't justify that type of money to do what I can do with my X580. I still jones for an X700 though.

At least I have hydraulics, so I'm not running analog.
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Post by: Jonathan Johnson on June 19, 2018, 02:21:32 pm
I wonder if any of you has priced a small tractor lately. I wanted a 3 point hitch and front end loader, which meant the X700 series minimum, or sub compact if I went with Kubota or anyone else. The X700 series got me to $12,000 just for the tractor and by the time I had added what I wanted the price was around $18-19K.

Sub compacts were worse usually getting into the low to mid $20K region, and I just couldn't justify that type of money to do what I can do with my X580. I still jones for an X700 though.

And that's why, when I bought a compact tractor a few years ago, I settled for a 30+ year old Craigslist special (Ford 1500 made by Shibaura). I paid $5000 -- which was probably the price it was new in 1979.

That $12,000 2018 X700 will probably sell for $12,000 in 2050 and someone will think they got a bargain.

Tractors (if not wholly abused) seem to hold their price with age.
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Craig Hauber on June 20, 2018, 10:28:09 am
Wish they had a little diesel option for the X500 series, because I would have gone that route. JD uses Yanmar for the most part in the smaller tractors.

I wonder if any of you has priced a small tractor lately. I wanted a 3 point hitch and front end loader, which meant the X700 series minimum, or sub compact if I went with Kubota or anyone else. The X700 series got me to $12,000 just for the tractor and by the time I had added what I wanted the price was around $18-19K.

Sub compacts were worse usually getting into the low to mid $20K region, and I just couldn't justify that type of money to do what I can do with my X580. I still jones for an X700 though.

At least I have hydraulics, so I'm not running analog.

Just got a Sub Compact for our town's park-board
$23K for the 2025 with loader and 60" mow deck, new from dealer but last years model.

FYI, $8K at auction for the used case 580 backhoe (2WD) from the late '70's (and everyone said that was a great deal) -also for the park board

For myself just picked up a pristine 8N for $2000 (fully rebuilt engine& trans sometime in the last 10 years)
 -and a pile of Kohler engines with 3 MTD hydrostatic lawn tractor chassis for $500

(-Why I have no $$ left for sound gear!)
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: John Roberts {JR} on June 20, 2018, 11:11:46 am
I'm a little jealous... over the years I've rearranged tons of dirt in my yard and rain ditches the old fashioned way (shovel and wheelbarrow). I'd like to borrow that back hoe for a few days.  8)

JR
Title: Re: Craig stole a truck. I bought a yard tool.
Post by: Bob Leonard on June 20, 2018, 09:51:12 pm
Who wouldn't want to borrow the backhoe. And there it is, the perfect sub compact at $23K.

I'll be posting some pics in another thread soon about the contractor for the town that hydro seeded all of our lawns with lambsquarters. It's creeping into what I did and it's making me less than happy. I won't let it go past the weekend. Either they come up with a solution or the town/contractor will be paying for mine. Only part of a two (2) year overhaul that's screwed up.