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Title: Noob with some system questions.
Post by: Jim Lambrecht on April 27, 2018, 11:53:59 am
I am a rookie looking to buy a system that will be used strictly for home parties and used at a private club,you know big family and lots of friends types of events. I have narrowed it down two systems that are for sale locally. The first is owned,and this is no joke,by an elderly couple in their late 70's who in retirement do karaoke gigs at some of the local bars in a small town here in NC. They have a pair of Peavy 115TRS speakers with a Samson XM910 mixer/amp combo with cables but no stands. Everything is in excellent shape and the only reason they are selling them is because of the weight of the gear. The second set up again owned by elderly folks, the husband passed away and the widow is getting rid of some of his stuff, was used in a home recording studio. It consists of a pair of JBL SF15 speakers with Musika Ultimate stands, Gig Rack 600 mixer/amp, and all cables. And this stuff is also in excellent shape. So I guess my question for the experts is the better which set up? Price wise they are about the same. And like I said before this is for personal use only. Any opinions will be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Noob with some system questions.
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Title: Re: Noob with some system questions.
Post by: Jim Lambrecht on April 27, 2018, 12:11:04 pm
My apologies, its fixed.




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Title: Re: Noob with some system questions.
Post by: Nathan Riddle on April 27, 2018, 12:55:25 pm
I am a rookie looking to buy a system that will be used strictly for home parties and used at a private club,you know big family and lots of friends types of events. \

I have narrowed it down two systems that are for sale locally. The first is owned,and this is no joke,by an elderly couple in their late 70's who in retirement do karaoke gigs at some of the local bars in a small town here in NC.

They have a pair of Peavy 115TRS speakers with a Samson XM910 mixer/amp combo with cables but no stands. Everything is in excellent shape and the only reason they are selling them is because of the weight of the gear.

The second set up again owned by elderly folks, the husband passed away and the widow is getting rid of some of his stuff, was used in a home recording studio. It consists of a pair of JBL SF15 speakers with Musika Ultimate stands, Gig Rack 600 mixer/amp, and all cables. And this stuff is also in excellent shape.

So I guess my question for the experts is the better which set up?
Price wise they are about the same.

And like I said before this is for personal use only. Any opinions will be greatly appreciated.

Budget/cost of systems?
Title: Re: Noob with some system questions.
Post by: Jim Lambrecht on April 27, 2018, 01:13:18 pm
The Peavy/Samson they are asking $550 and the JBL set up she wants $500 I would like to keep the cost in the $700- $500 range.
Title: Re: Noob with some system questions.
Post by: Scott Holtzman on April 27, 2018, 02:49:35 pm
The Peavy/Samson they are asking $550 and the JBL set up she wants $500 I would like to keep the cost in the $700- $500 range.

You need to take that $700 and stretch it to about 1k.  The Peavey's are OK at best.  SF's are 20 years old and was JBL's very low end product.

$1000 if you show hard will get you a decent set of powered speakers.  That is the modern way to go.

No 12" on top will  have decent LF extension.  At some point you are going to want a subwoofer.

Title: Re: Noob with some system questions.
Post by: Nathan Riddle on April 27, 2018, 04:58:14 pm
I was leery of speaking about the systems you're looking into as I've never heard/used them.

But to tag onto what Scott is saying. If you could get into some Yamaha DBR or DXR range you're going to be really happy and they will come with a warranty and you'll have some re-sell value.
Title: Re: Noob with some system questions.
Post by: Jeff Lelko on April 27, 2018, 05:15:51 pm
Hi Jim, I agree with Scott and Nathan - you're not going to find much love for either system here.  It'd be one thing if you could get this for $200 (and understand the limitations of each system), but for $5-700 range you might as well just spend a little bit more and get a quality product.  The difference in sound quality alone would be pronounced, and in this business $300 is nothing.  I'd just vote to do it right the first time and be happy!  Good luck!
Title: Re: Noob with some system questions.
Post by: Mark Cadwallader on April 27, 2018, 10:11:43 pm
To echo the others, the common wisdom here is "buy once, cry once."   My signature line (below) is another expression of the same principle.  Welcome, and best wishes.
Title: Re: Noob with some system questions.
Post by: David Winners on April 27, 2018, 11:15:45 pm
If all I had to spend is $700, I would buy one decent speaker and save up for another one. Mono decent sound is better than stereo shit.
Title: Re: Noob with some system questions.
Post by: Nathan Riddle on April 28, 2018, 09:50:28 am
If all I had to spend is $700, I would buy one decent speaker and save up for another one. Mono decent sound is better than stereo shit.

I was thinking same thing.

There's some used options for DBR in his price range. https://reverb.com/item/11626722-yamaha-dbr15

DXR is gonna be better and not much more. https://reverb.com/item/11026619-yamaha-dxr15-15-powered-speaker
Title: Re: Noob with some system questions.
Post by: Dennis Wiggins on May 02, 2018, 12:29:46 pm
...like I said before this is for personal use only. Any opinions will be greatly appreciated.

To summarize all the advice (plus my 2 cents).

1.  Buy 1 DXR10 (Yamaha has a $100 rebate right now).

2.  Save up for a  powered sub
     - there are lots to choose from; borrow/rent one and experiment.

3.  Buy 2nd DXR10

4.  Live happily and party hearty!

-Dennis

<edit> 

What device(s) are you playing the music on? CD player, laptop, or just a  phone?

At some point you will need a mixer.  Example: a MACKIE ProFX4v2.

What is your real goal, here? Do you intend to grow this into a business?

-D
Title: Re: Noob with some system questions.
Post by: Craig Hauber on May 07, 2018, 12:41:07 pm
The Peavy/Samson they are asking $550 and the JBL set up she wants $500 I would like to keep the cost in the $700- $500 range.
I'll be the only one on this board to say go with the soundfactor+gig-rack setup for $500.
You're not going to be able to find 2 equally "usable" speakers and an amp for that much brand new (and you would still need stands, cables and some kind of mixer.)  The Gigrack gives you mixer with multiple input microphone handling with reverb and monitors capability so you can actually use it for other Non-DJ types of events.
You may even be able to haggle them down. :)

I have a friend that DJ's and KJ's with exactly that rig and her mix always sounds good, fills the room fine and hasn't given her any problems. (she is careful and treats all her gear well)
She does nights at local bars and "day-job" is wedding/party DJ and her mix always fills the floor.  (She hires for larger and outdoor events and I bring out even "older" gear than hers!) ;)

You can dive right in now with that gear and as you grow can add/swap/upgade as you see fit.
Right now you just need clean basic amplification and I recommend your primary expenditures to be on your performance playback equipment and media -as well as learning to produce a clean high-quality output (that will translate to any amplification system or recorder)
Title: Re: Noob with some system questions.
Post by: Luke Geis on May 07, 2018, 12:58:19 pm
Most wedding dj's are running with 12" systems these days it seems. Some use subs, some don't.

As an owner at one point of the SF25 / JRX25 JBL speaker, I can say that they are ok for the money, but another new $350 self powered speaker is going to sound better. The new JBL EON 600 series is no joke. It gets plenty loud, sounds relatively good and has nice features. You can buy them new for $400 each! If I am not mistaken they even utilize the same HF driver that was used in the MRX / PRX series. Spec wise they are pretty good and I have used one once and was quite impressed by it. For a $400 speaker it really does kick ass. The JRX 200 also uses the same HF driver, but you are talking about an SF series unit that has long since been discontinued.

I say buy new, modern units that are self powered. It will reduce so much headache and they just sound much better in the long run.
Title: Re: Noob with some system questions.
Post by: Tim McCulloch on May 08, 2018, 02:13:52 pm
Nothing in the JRX line is worth the money if you plan to use them more than a couple of times.  Not that they'll fail, no that would be merciful.

JRX sounds like shit, a small squishy step above the turds that are Mackie Thump and almost everything else in its price range.

This from a guy who manages a 6-figure JBL inventory....