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Title: Suggestions for crisp vocal mic (DJ use)?
Post by: Bill Hornibrook on April 23, 2018, 04:59:01 pm
For years when I'm a club DJ I've used the same Beta 58 vocal mic that I use as a keyboard player in conjunction with a mixer. It's worked out fine, but recently I picked up an NI Traktor S5 controller with a mic input - which among other things will allow me to ditch the mixer.

It's got some kind of non-defeatable compression going on that's raising the feedback level as well as dulling the sound of the mic. I'd really like for this to work, as it keeps things simpler if I don't have to pack a mixer around.

So I'm looking for a vocal mic with unreal presence as well as excellent gain before feedback, and you guys know it all so I thought I'd ask here first. Wired and under $200 - $150 even better. Thanks  :)

Edit: I am not a DJ who cups his mic! My hands are too busy mixing for that kind of behavior ;)
Title: Re: Suggestions for crisp vocal mic (DJ use)?
Post by: Steve Crump on April 23, 2018, 05:32:14 pm
For years when I'm a club DJ I've used the same Beta 58 vocal mic that I use as a keyboard player in conjunction with a mixer. It's worked out fine, but recently I picked up an NI Traktor S5 controller with a mic input - which among other things will allow me to ditch the mixer.

It's got some kind of non-defeatable compression going on that's raising the feedback level as well as dulling the sound of the mic. I'd really like for this to work, as it keeps things simpler if I don't have to pack a mixer around.

So I'm looking for a vocal mic with unreal presence as well as excellent gain before feedback, and you guys know it all so I thought I'd ask here first. Wired and under $200 - $150 even better. Thanks  :)

Edit: I am not a DJ who cups his mic! My hands are too busy mixing for that kind of behavior ;)


The Blue Encore 200 might fit. We have a few, use them mostly for harmonies and back up vocals when needed. I have never checked out the specs for response, but they do seem a little hyped.

https://www.mixonline.com/technology/blue-microphones-encore-100-encore-200-microphones-review-369574
Title: Re: Suggestions for crisp vocal mic (DJ use)?
Post by: John P. Farrell on April 23, 2018, 08:05:20 pm
A Beta 58 is already fairly hyped.  You identified the problem and know the answer....undefeatable compression unfortunately.

JF
Title: Re: Suggestions for crisp vocal mic (DJ use)?
Post by: Robert Patch on April 23, 2018, 09:00:26 pm
It would be best if you knew someone with a few different mikes that you could try.  My inclination would be to go with an Audix OM-6/7, depending on how tight a polar pattern suits you.  Not as much mid-range boost as a Beta 58, but you need to be tight on the mic.
Title: Re: Suggestions for crisp vocal mic (DJ use)?
Post by: Paul G. OBrien on April 23, 2018, 09:34:24 pm
I picked up an NI Traktor S5 controller with a mic input - which among other things will allow me to ditch the mixer.

I bet the controller is the problem. You would think they would manage to include a 1/2 decent mic preamp in a $1000 piece of equipment but I know from first hand experience the mic preamp in the Pioneer DDJ series consoles are total crap.
Title: Re: Suggestions for crisp vocal mic (DJ use)?
Post by: Stephen Kirby on April 23, 2018, 11:10:41 pm
Maybe not as convenient but if there's a line in you could use a small recording pre.  Even something like a GAP 73 where you can overdrive it and get that nasty shouting sound that cuts right through.  ;)
Title: Re: Suggestions for crisp vocal mic (DJ use)?
Post by: Craig Hauber on April 24, 2018, 02:07:44 pm
I bet the controller is the problem. You would think they would manage to include a 1/2 decent mic preamp in a $1000 piece of equipment but I know from first hand experience the mic preamp in the Pioneer DDJ series consoles are total crap.

It is totally the DJ equipment.  Not only do they clip out too easily, the overall tone seems to be designed for that deep "FM announcer" type of sound.

Another aspect is that music channels are run so hot that even at full mic gain it can barely be heard over the highly compressed music.  The whole process is made even worse when the DJ is driving hard into the house limiter. 
So even when a quality mic pre and drive is used it sometimes still doesn't stand a chance!

I think the separate upstream mixer with real mic pre's is the best way to handle DJ announce and call-out mics -especially if you can get it configured into a ducker type situation for a very subtle dip in the music level at the instance of mic use. 
(Bonus points for dynamic EQ that only ducks-out the higher midrange on the music when you are speaking)

Title: Re: Suggestions for crisp vocal mic (DJ use)?
Post by: Keith Broughton on April 24, 2018, 03:29:20 pm
The crappy DJ gear aside, you might consider an omni mic.
You are right on it, so feedback probably won't be an issue AND the proximity effect is minimal so no added low end to muddy things up and drive the compressor.
Title: Re: Suggestions for crisp vocal mic (DJ use)?
Post by: Stu McDoniel on April 24, 2018, 04:29:32 pm
Mackie Mix5 plugged into a line input on your DJ mixer.

Keep the Beta 58
Title: Re: Suggestions for crisp vocal mic (DJ use)?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on April 24, 2018, 06:03:41 pm
It is totally the DJ equipment.  Not only do they clip out too easily, the overall tone seems to be designed for that deep "FM announcer" type of sound.

Another aspect is that music channels are run so hot that even at full mic gain it can barely be heard over the highly compressed music.  The whole process is made even worse when the DJ is driving hard into the house limiter. 
So even when a quality mic pre and drive is used it sometimes still doesn't stand a chance!

I think the separate upstream mixer with real mic pre's is the best way to handle DJ announce and call-out mics -especially if you can get it configured into a ducker type situation for a very subtle dip in the music level at the instance of mic use. 
(Bonus points for dynamic EQ that only ducks-out the higher midrange on the music when you are speaking)

We always set out a switched SM58 DJ mic separate from the DJ mixer. 99% of the time the DJ will patch it into the DJ mixer anyway.  I stopped worrying about it and consider it their "artistic choice" in the matter.

DJ gigs - the kind of show where nobody is happy until it sounds like shit.
Title: Re: Suggestions for crisp vocal mic (DJ use)?
Post by: Mal Brown on April 24, 2018, 10:16:13 pm
Not a fan of the beta 58 but in this case, I would stuff it into something like the old ART Tube EQ and offset the built in DJ smiley curve.

Or buy a VX -5... my band sings on vx-5s.  We love em
Title: Re: Suggestions for crisp vocal mic (DJ use)?
Post by: Chris Grimshaw on April 25, 2018, 04:48:09 am
For GBF, I'd grab an EV N/D967. It also has a "presence" switch which cuts the low-mids and bass a bit.

Might be exactly what you're looking for, and since the updated ND96 has come out, the older N/D967s have got quite a lot cheaper.

Chris
Title: Re: Suggestions for crisp vocal mic (DJ use)?
Post by: Bill Hornibrook on April 25, 2018, 06:21:29 pm
Thanks for the suggestion Chris it sounds like either one of those EVs is what I'm looking for.
Title: Re: Suggestions for crisp vocal mic (DJ use)?
Post by: Chris Grimshaw on April 25, 2018, 07:01:34 pm
Thanks for the suggestion Chris it sounds like either one of those EVs is what I'm looking for.

No worries. Not sure if you're nearby, but gimme a shout if you are and I'll loan you one for a bit to try out.

Chris