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Title: NAMM
Post by: TJ (Tom) Cornish on January 27, 2018, 05:11:35 pm
Apparently NAMM has been a bust this year.  I've heard NOTHING of interest.
Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: John Roberts {JR} on January 27, 2018, 05:16:42 pm
An old friend of mine James Brown, is showing his first Amptweaker Guitar Amp in booth 4034.

James designed the 5150 while at Peavey and other amps around the industry before starting his own compnay. Tell him I said hi.  8)

JR
Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: Loren Miller on January 27, 2018, 09:02:45 pm
Apparently NAMM has been a bust this year.  I've heard NOTHING of interest.

Yeah, not much, Sennheiser G4 looks decent for a mid level unit, 50mw of power seems crazy high, the new db tech LA looks interesting depending on price. Other than that not much...although the AES training would have been fun to go to.
Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: James Paul on January 28, 2018, 07:34:39 am
By what measure deemed `a bust' ?
FWIW:
A number of firsts this year starting with the the not so insignificant expansion of the ACC of over 200,00 square feet floor space with the new North Hall for both exhibitors and attendees.
Next was the focus by NAMM on pro audio and event technology for 2018, with the inclusion and integration of A.E.S. and ESTA education & training.
Also a couple pertinent debut exhibits by Funktion-One, Adamson Systems were obvious.

The NAMM show is the largest gathering, in the largest exhibition complex on the US western coast, drawing from a national and international source and variety of manufactures, buyers, sellers, artists and purveyors of all things musical, going on 116 years.

Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: TJ (Tom) Cornish on January 28, 2018, 07:57:07 am
By what measure deemed `a bust' ?
FWIW:
A number of firsts this year starting with the the not so insignificant expansion of the ACC of over 200,00 square feet floor space with the new North Hall for both exhibitors and attendees.
Next was the focus by NAMM on pro audio and event technology for 2018, with the inclusion and integration of A.E.S. and ESTA education & training.
Also a couple pertinent debut exhibits by Funktion-One, Adamson Systems were obvious.

The NAMM show is the largest gathering, in the largest exhibition complex on the US western coast, drawing from a national and international source and variety of manufactures, buyers, sellers, artists and purveyors of all things musical, going on 116 years.
"A bust" meaning that this thread started on the third day of the show was the first mention of NAMM on this forum (other than Loren's reminder about the Sennheiser G4 which was discussed earlier).

I realize NAMM is an important show for manufacturers and the sales channel to connect, but the internet seems to have stolen the thunder of product releases which tend to happen when the manufacturer is ready, rather than to coincide with a big show.
Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: Jeff Lelko on January 28, 2018, 08:43:21 am
I realize NAMM is an important show for manufacturers and the sales channel to connect, but the internet seems to have stolen the thunder of product releases which tend to happen when the manufacturer is ready, rather than to coincide with a big show.

Not only that, but is there even anything of interest debuting?  If I was able to attend I’d want to check out the Chauvet booth - mostly to see if they’re showcasing the new Rogue R1X/R2X/R3 Spot fixtures, along with the Maverick MK2 Profile.  Elation has a few new products as well that might be worth checking out if available, particularly the Seven Pars, but I don’t think they’re really released yet...
Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: John Roberts {JR} on January 28, 2018, 10:48:38 am
By what measure deemed `a bust' ?
FWIW:
A number of firsts this year starting with the the not so insignificant expansion of the ACC of over 200,00 square feet floor space with the new North Hall for both exhibitors and attendees.
Next was the focus by NAMM on pro audio and event technology for 2018, with the inclusion and integration of A.E.S. and ESTA education & training.
Also a couple pertinent debut exhibits by Funktion-One, Adamson Systems were obvious.

The NAMM show is the largest gathering, in the largest exhibition complex on the US western coast, drawing from a national and international source and variety of manufactures, buyers, sellers, artists and purveyors of all things musical, going on 116 years.
Consolidating the NAMM show with the AES was not an expansion but cost saving reduction to help manufacturers and visitors who probably wouldn't attend two separate (relatively expensive) shows.

JR
Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: Craig Hauber on January 28, 2018, 11:52:56 am
Apparently NAMM has been a bust this year.  I've heard NOTHING of interest.
The new hall dedicated to Pro Audio was a welcome change after decades of wandering through China and DJ-land trying to find all your favorites.
It was also much quieter (relatively) than the main part of the show.

Of course the majority of noise (and occasional feedback)was still coming from the DJ-audio type companies.

Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: James Paul on January 28, 2018, 02:31:47 pm
Ah yes, point taken about stolen thunder.

Apparently the show is a `bust' for MusicTribe, hence their absence.

Welcome change indeed with the new hall expansion, which IMO did help to alleviate congestion throughout the show, proof that the gathering was busting at the seams.

For myself, 30 plus years of visitor attendance, there is always more than plenty new to see and hear, granted along with a good dose of much the same, yet always grateful and hopeful for the efforts and expense paid by the exhibitors to attend and show, not to mention the variety of eye candy. Certainly a gathering not for everyone, but a significant one for sure. Back for more today.
Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on January 28, 2018, 02:59:08 pm
As I don't ever get to go, I always rely on you guys to bring us the latest and greatest from NAMM.... but this year it's been quiet.
Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: Ivan Beaver on January 28, 2018, 03:45:05 pm
As I don't ever get to go, I always rely on you guys to bring us the latest and greatest from NAMM.... but this year it's been quiet.
Just for you Debbie.

I know you want some for your bedroom

https://www.facebook.com/discjockeynews/videos/10156016104100645/?fref=gs&dti=733449990043427&hc_location=group
Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: Scott Bolt on January 28, 2018, 05:10:30 pm
Just for you Debbie.

I know you want some for your bedroom

https://www.facebook.com/discjockeynews/videos/10156016104100645/?fref=gs&dti=733449990043427&hc_location=group
OMG!  You are killing me ;)

Perhaps they will make one next year with an integrated fog machine?
Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: Ivan Beaver on January 28, 2018, 05:22:08 pm
OMG!  You are killing me ;)

Perhaps they will make one next year with an integrated fog machine?
Now THAT is forward thinking.

Maybe you can sell the idea.  I know some people would buy it.

Apparently they (and others with the same basic ideas) sell truckloads of those type speakers.

No wonder the bar is so low for audio quality.

As Don Davis said "If bad sound were fatal, audio would be the leading cause of death".
Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on January 28, 2018, 05:22:29 pm
Just for you Debbie.

I know you want some for your bedroom

https://www.facebook.com/discjockeynews/videos/10156016104100645/?fref=gs&dti=733449990043427&hc_location=group

Don't laugh at me but.......

My bedroom night stand lamps are remote controlled mini par/floods on slow chase attached to the headboard frame on either side with C clamps....
and my night stands are 10u rack cases on wheels with front lids removed and shelves and drawers installed.....
I said don't laugh...
Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: Jonathan Goodall on January 28, 2018, 06:03:02 pm
As I don't ever get to go, I always rely on you guys to bring us the latest and greatest from NAMM.... but this year it's been quiet.

I'm in the same boat here, there doesn't seem to have been much of anything discussed so far.
Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: Jeff Lelko on January 28, 2018, 06:20:01 pm
...and my night stands are 10u rack cases on wheels with front lids removed and shelves and drawers installed...

Thanks for the idea Debbie!  I built my kitchen table out of light truss, but that’s the furthest I’ve gone with intentional “equipment furniture”.  I might have to give your nightstand idea a try though. 
Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on January 28, 2018, 06:29:21 pm
Thanks for the idea Debbie!  I built my kitchen table out of light truss, but that’s the furthest I’ve gone with intentional “equipment furniture”.  I might have to give your nightstand idea a try though.

It's actually quite practical. Because of the wheels, they are easily moved to clean behind.
The drawers are well made and secure. I have a 1 space and a 2 space drawer in each 'night stand' and an open shelf in each one too which gives us plenty of storage space.
I have a piece of good quality black shelf liner on the top of each one too.

Chris won't allow me to do anything else in other rooms but if it were down to me, I'd decorate the whole house in a musical/SR theme.
Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: Jay Marr on January 29, 2018, 09:34:35 am
It's actually quite practical. Because of the wheels, they are easily moved to clean behind.
The drawers are well made and secure. I have a 1 space and a 2 space drawer in each 'night stand' and an open shelf in each one too which gives us plenty of storage space.
I have a piece of good quality black shelf liner on the top of each one too.

Chris won't allow me to do anything else in other rooms but if it were down to me, I'd decorate the whole house in a musical/SR theme.

If you could talk to my wife for a few minutes, I would greatly appreciate it.
I have two 20 space road case racks in my office all filled with rack drawers and all my 'stuff' is contained within.  I love the look....but she's not a fan.

A buddy of mine that builds rack cases, built a giant bedframe that looks like a road case.  Drawers underneath, etc.
It's a bit overboard, but the craftsmanship was outstanding.
He's since gotten married....I guess I should ask him the current location of that bed. :)
Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: kel mcguire on January 29, 2018, 12:18:59 pm
If you could talk to my wife for a few minutes, I would greatly appreciate it.
I have two 20 space road case racks in my office all filled with rack drawers and all my 'stuff' is contained within.  I love the look....but she's not a fan.

A buddy of mine that builds rack cases, built a giant bedframe that looks like a road case.  Drawers underneath, etc.
It's a bit overboard, but the craftsmanship was outstanding.
He's since gotten married....I guess I should ask him the current location of that bed. :)

made me laugh!
Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: kel mcguire on January 29, 2018, 12:38:39 pm
I suppose if you only looked for new groundbreaking game-changing products in your interest sphere, you might consider the NAMM 2018 a "bust". I can understand that. But, thousands of companies make up the show and thousands of visitors walked the halls. It's quite expensive, and a lot of work to exhibit at a trade show like NAMM. The lack of surprise for new products due to online information does steal a bit of thunder, but it's also less important to me to only focus on whats new. 

I particularly enjoyed the new pro audio halls near the Hilton. Better lighting, better bathrooms and less music store 'friends' looking for autographs/endorsements....not that end users aren't important.  Working as an exhibitor makes it difficult to impossible to take in the scope of the show, but I enjoyed our neighbors and the quiet walk-around time before 10am. There's so much to take in from the brilliant and uber experienced people building and selling, that the products are less fascinating to me. But I suppose that comes from 35+ years of attending...and experiencing both sides; attendee and exhibitor.

That being said, I did hope to see a few things for my own personal interests, like some QSC KW.2  :D

I think the new layout will feel less new next year. I enjoyed the show. Not a bust
Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: John Roberts {JR} on January 29, 2018, 12:54:29 pm
I suppose if you only looked for new groundbreaking game-changing products in your interest sphere, you might consider the NAMM 2018 a "bust". I can understand that. But, thousands of companies make up the show and thousands of visitors walked the halls. It's quite expensive, and a lot of work to exhibit at a trade show like NAMM. The lack of surprise for new products due to online information does steal a bit of thunder, but it's also less important to me to only focus on whats new. 

I particularly enjoyed the new pro audio halls near the Hilton. Better lighting, better bathrooms and less music store 'friends' looking for autographs/endorsements....not that end users aren't important.  Working as an exhibitor makes it difficult to impossible to take in the scope of the show, but I enjoyed our neighbors and the quiet walk-around time before 10am. There's so much to take in from the brilliant and uber experienced people building and selling, that the products are less fascinating to me. But I suppose that comes from 35+ years of attending...and experiencing both sides; attendee and exhibitor.

That being said, I did hope to see a few things for my own personal interests, like some QSC KW.2  :D

I think the new layout will feel less new next year. I enjoyed the show. Not a bust
You won't see self driving cars and VR glasses at NAMM but maybe we should. ( I have been thinking about augmented reality(?) for remote mixing for decades, still waiting for the technology to catch up.)

OK, sundays are usually slow days at NAMM shows, the big dealers have already returned home. I would always use this slow time to walk the show and see what new was on display after the first few show days of people telling me what to check out.

JR
Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: Christopher Irwin on January 29, 2018, 03:03:43 pm
Somehow lacking is any mention of d&b's Soundscape! It was by far the best new product I have seen/heard (also one of the most out of reach price-wise...). It was absolutely amazing what they are doing with "speaker panning." I think of it as Dolby Atmos on steroids for live sound...

http://www.dbaudio.com/en/db/news/detail/article/the-db-soundscape-experience-at-namm-2018.html
Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: Nathan Riddle on January 29, 2018, 07:17:47 pm
Not sure if this is at NAMM, but a friend showed me this.

https://youtu.be/VuPJoixToBM?t=5s

Pretty cool!
Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: brian maddox on January 29, 2018, 07:48:47 pm
Not sure if this is at NAMM, but a friend showed me this.

https://youtu.be/VuPJoixToBM?t=5s

Pretty cool!

yeah that is kinda nifty
Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: Jeff Lelko on January 29, 2018, 08:03:24 pm
Pretty cool!

I know!  A wall of these will take my fog machines to hyperdrive!  The moving blades can even help keep unruly guests at bay too!
Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: Stu McDoniel on January 30, 2018, 09:58:52 am
Don't laugh at me but.......

My bedroom night stand lamps are remote controlled mini par/floods on slow chase attached to the headboard frame on either side with C clamps....
and my night stands are 10u rack cases on wheels with front lids removed and shelves and drawers installed.....
I said don't laugh...
..
Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: Stu McDoniel on January 30, 2018, 10:03:36 am
yeah that is kinda nifty
Very cool!  As long as a bird does not fly into your 3k light.
They will have to encase that in some kind of clear panel thing for safety.
Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: Jonathan Hiemberg on January 30, 2018, 10:35:56 am
OMG!  You are killing me ;)

Perhaps they will make one next year with an integrated fog machine?


You know what they say:


"Any machine can be a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough."
Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: John Fruits on January 31, 2018, 10:17:55 am
One bit of news from NAMM, Radial Engineering is now part of Ultimate Support.
Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: Mal Brown on January 31, 2018, 11:20:36 am

You know what they say:


"Any machine can be a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough."

Love it!
Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on January 31, 2018, 12:00:59 pm
..

YES - I hadn't consider a disco ball...cool!!

Title: Re: NAMM
Post by: Ivan Beaver on January 31, 2018, 12:46:27 pm
YES - I hadn't consider a disco ball...cool!!
I had one guy (back when I was selling my Halloween props) that wanted to buy my hanging man that trashed, above his bed.  His wife said NO.

I think he was serious.

If you want a LARGE disco ball, I know where the 6' diameter one that Blue Oyster Cult used back in the 70s is at.  Complete with 1.5HP motor.

But the building was sealed up after it was brought in, so you would need to tear a wall down to get it out----------  maybe not worth it.