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Title: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Scott Mullane on January 08, 2018, 07:01:33 am
Well I started a tour this last weekend that will go for the next 4 months. I am not mixing the headliner, so the production choice was above me, although discussion was had with me to make sure that it will work for everyone. The system supplier is excellent, so that is great.
System is an AVID S6L driving an L'Acoustics K2 PA system. Now this is my first outing on both elements. Although I have both used and owned an AVID Profile, so at least the basic console operation is similar...kinda.

So the L'Acoustics K2 definitely has some power and being a fan of V-DOSC, it falls into a similar voicing, but with more power and a smoother response. As for the AVID S6L. I am very quickly learning the system and it is a lot cleaner and more responsive than the Profile...thank God! Although the layout is customisable to a point, I am still fiddling to find the layout that works best for me, I find it incredibly frustrating that you cannot custom layout the master section. At least that is what I have been led to believe. So the little screen above the centre section is where you navigate to the layers on each fader bank. Not in love with that system I must say. We have been trained to respond to layer buttons beside each fader bank and AVID has taken this away. Hmmm! So I want to have my VCA/DCA faders on the top layer with my groups on the layer below and my matrixes on the layer below that. This does not seem possible and to navigate from VCA's to Groups is several button presses. I may be wrong here, but if not, come on AVID!

They seem to have the responsiveness, the tone and the power that is missing in the Profile and it is quite customisable, but the master section and the layer navigation is a little frustrating. Hoping that it will make sense as the tour progresses, because apart from that, I am quite liking the board.

Anyone out there have any comment on something that I may be missing here?
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: William Schnake on January 08, 2018, 07:26:12 am

They seem to have the responsiveness, the tone and the power that is missing in the Profile and it is quite customisable, but the master section and the layer navigation is a little frustrating. Hoping that it will make sense as the tour progresses, because apart from that, I am quite liking the board.

Thanks for your impressions of using the SL6.  Please keep us informed as you use it more.  Good luck on your tour.

Bill
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Scott Mullane on January 08, 2018, 08:19:56 am
Will do Bill. I also just watched a video and...yes I read part of the manual. : P
Looks like there is no way to reassign the order vertical layers, but you can set up a kind of custom layer and m are several of these. Then you can quickly toggle between layouts. Looks like I will try this first and see if I like it.

So far the positives are that it is much more responsive than a Profile. That is, when you tweak 0.5db on an EQ band, you can really hear it and so it is with the dynamics. Much more finesse about the sonic signature. SO that is a very good start. Now I just need to get as fast as I am on on a Profile or D-Live.
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Chrysander 'C.R.' Young on January 08, 2018, 12:12:24 pm
Scott, if you are permitted to do so, I would love to see some pictures of your setup and ongoing impressions as you get more used to the system.  I don't get to play with the big boy sound stuff much and would love to see how you are using your gear.
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Scott Mullane on January 08, 2018, 05:53:27 pm
Scott, if you are permitted to do so, I would love to see some pictures of your setup and ongoing impressions as you get more used to the system.  I don't get to play with the big boy sound stuff much and would love to see how you are using your gear.

Sure, can do. I have loaded one of my shows from an AVID Profile onto the S6L to give me a starting point. It loaded pretty well, but there were a few little bugs. A couple of plug ins were switched in their order on some groups. Overall though, it was pretty straight forward. I will post more as I get the set up down.
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Scott Mullane on January 17, 2018, 06:05:07 pm
OMG! The S6L offline editor is so damn annoying. It will literally only boot up if you have a monitor with a resolution of 1920 x 1080. If not, then the software will not load. Windows only and 1920 x 1080 only. This is not a real problem for desk top computers, but a real problem for most laptops as their inbuilt monitors do not usually support that resolution. Only high end laptops can scale to this.
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Matthew Knischewsky on January 17, 2018, 10:07:03 pm
OMG! The S6L offline editor is so damn annoying. It will literally only boot up if you have a monitor with a resolution of 1920 x 1080. If not, then the software will not load. Windows only and 1920 x 1080 only. This is not a real problem for desk top computers, but a real problem for most laptops as their inbuilt monitors do not usually support that resolution. Only high end laptops can scale to this.

It wouldn't be an Avid console if everything worked as you would expect it to.
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Scott Mullane on January 18, 2018, 05:46:54 am
It wouldn't be an Avid console if everything worked as you would expect it to.

😂😂😂
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Dave Pluke on January 18, 2018, 10:49:35 am
This is not a real problem for desk top computers, but a real problem for most laptops as their inbuilt monitors do not usually support that resolution. Only high end laptops can scale to this.

Most...?  I'm seeing a lot of consumer-level laptops advertised with 4k UHD displays.  All of the Microsoft Surface "tablets" (this should not be construed as an endorsement) offer greater than 1920 x 1080 pixels.

I don't know how difficult supporting multiple resolutions can be, from a programming perspective, but understand the decision.

Dave (currently at 3840 x 2160 on a relatively inexpensive Dell)
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Andrew Hastings on January 18, 2018, 12:18:00 pm
Hi Scott

Totally agree with you on this
re the monitor with a resolution of 1920 x 1080.

Where is the like button  :) :)

Glenn
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Scott Mullane on January 18, 2018, 03:56:39 pm
Most...?  I'm seeing a lot of consumer-level laptops advertised with 4k UHD displays.  All of the Microsoft Surface "tablets" (this should not be construed as an endorsement) offer greater than 1920 x 1080 pixels.

I don't know how difficult supporting multiple resolutions can be, from a programming perspective, but understand the decision.

Dave (currently at 3840 x 2160 on a relatively inexpensive Dell)

It is a short sighted decision for sure and it is that attention to detail for all of us in the field that can make or break a console. Obviously the S6L is still selling, but I really do think that it is purely because many engineers see it as the Profile they always hoped for.
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: brian maddox on January 18, 2018, 03:58:25 pm
OMG! The S6L offline editor is so damn annoying. It will literally only boot up if you have a monitor with a resolution of 1920 x 1080. If not, then the software will not load. Windows only and 1920 x 1080 only. ...

This is the kind of stuff that makes me "Shake Fist At Cloud!!!"  Avid is certainly not the only offender but...  zillion dollar desk and THIS is what you get to edit it with?  My recent Lawo experience was similar.  Amazing capabilities, but silly little UI issues that just shouldn't happen at this level....
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Tim McCulloch on January 18, 2018, 04:57:51 pm
The video display resolution on the Venue v1-3.1 was a topic that came up in a number of webcasts and other seminars with Scovi.  His response was basically a shrug.  IIRC in a more private discussion he indicated there was some stability advantage to locking the display resolution.  At the time I didn't see a need to ask about resolution so let it go past.
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Matthew Knischewsky on January 18, 2018, 09:37:54 pm
This is the kind of stuff that makes me "Shake Fist At Cloud!!!"  Avid is certainly not the only offender but...  zillion dollar desk and THIS is what you get to edit it with?  My recent Lawo experience was similar.  Amazing capabilities, but silly little UI issues that just shouldn't happen at this level....

Right!?

The more expensive something is the more likely the user will be a beta tester from day one right through to the end of the product's life.
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Scott Mullane on January 19, 2018, 03:36:06 am
The video display resolution on the Venue v1-3.1 was a topic that came up in a number of webcasts and other seminars with Scovi.  His response was basically a shrug.  IIRC in a more private discussion he indicated there was some stability advantage to locking the display resolution.  At the time I didn't see a need to ask about resolution so let it go past.

I agree that on the surface it seems a little trite, but when you are in the field and only have a laptop that is a current HP model, not some el-cheapo brand and it cannot even open the offline editor for no good reason...that makes you a little angry.
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Scott Mullane on February 12, 2018, 06:41:59 am
OK...been busy touring but now have a minute to update this post.

L'Acoustics K2 - I have slowly wrapped my head around the K2 and the following observations are apparent.
1. The mid/high cabs go very low themselves extending down to 40hz-ish. Given this, I tried some different house EQ options when dealing with low end build up. I found the overlap between the subs and the mid/high cabs a little much and made a few minor tweaks in the extreme lows of the mid/high cabs and the upper bass region of the subs. I am still undecided about my experiment as I still have not tweaked enough to confirm my findings. However I think the ideas I have here are on the money.
2. The K2 is certainly punchy and tips it's hat strongly to the legacy of the great V-DOSC system. So if you like V-DOSC, then I think that you will love K2. A V-DOSC brought into the modern world one might say.
3. Unfortunately I do not get to walk around the 7000PAX outdoor venues each day and really rely on the systems tech and others to advise me on the coverage and other aspects. Fortunately for me, the crew are incredible and equally willing to chat about these concepts and explore some of my experiments. Thank you guys.

AVID S6L - I have really been spending some serious time exploring this board and I like it as much as I hate it. : P

1. My biggest hate by far is the fact that you cannot even open the off line editor unless the monitor hooked up to the computer supports a resolution of 1920 x 1080. I hear you say that this is HD and most modern machine support this. However, you would be working as most laptops are actually a slightly strange resolution and therefore prohibit the application from even opening. Crazy stuff.
2. The built in Tap Tempo button is in an awful location....just saying. You ca however program other buttons to be tap, but the board does have a dedicated tap button.
3. This board is really not a walk up board and you have to really have a base show and a couple of custom layer layouts completed.
4. On a positive note, the buttons below each fader can be programmed to achieve many, many things including automated tasks. So big tick for those willing to spend the time.
5. The big improvements are definitely sonics and headroom. Thank God for more headroom on an AVID board. It is immediately noticeable and the results are much better. So big tick there AVID.
6. I really just think that I need a lot more time on this board to understand it, but unfortunately I do not have the time or the patience to do this. If I do not get into the vibe in 6 weeks, then...
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Ryan O John on April 02, 2018, 04:44:03 pm
It is a short sighted decision for sure and it is that attention to detail for all of us in the field that can make or break a console.

It was either write the software again to run on a lower resolution (it's not as simple as 'scaling' it, everything is built in pixels, not vectors), or release it as is (you're literally running the console software on your computer).  So the decision was made to continue developing the desk rather than re-developing the standalone software. 
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: richard_cooper on April 02, 2018, 05:35:10 pm
It was either write the software again to run on a lower resolution (it's not as simple as 'scaling' it, everything is built in pixels, not vectors), or release it as is (you're literally running the console software on your computer).  So the decision was made to continue developing the desk rather than re-developing the standalone software.

Lack of proper planning in the development process? A lot of software today is built to scale.

Surely you'd have realised a console of this scale would have needed a useable off line editor. Sorry Avid... FAIL, not good enough.
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Ryan O John on April 03, 2018, 04:57:58 pm
Lack of proper planning in the development process? A lot of software today is built to scale.

Surely you'd have realised a console of this scale would have needed a useable off line editor. Sorry Avid... FAIL, not good enough.


Or it's that typically scalable-GUI is less stable.  but ok.
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Scott Mullane on April 03, 2018, 05:55:42 pm

Or it's that typically scalable-GUI is less stable.  but ok.

I have owned many Avid products both studio and live for many many years and continue too use them. There is a lot to like about the S6L for sure, but it is all the small "in the field" functionality that either makes or breaks a console for me now. Many digital consoles now sound quite good and the real litmus test is their usability in the field. I am not talking about a show that has been fully programmed and vetted prior to tour, but the little things in the heat of battle or the shift in user function that may be required for the show.

With Profile becoming the festival board of choice for being a walk up board I was a little taken aback that the S6L was not a walk up board. Very powerful and after the right set up, very nice to use.
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Tim McCulloch on April 03, 2018, 06:12:07 pm

Or it's that typically scalable-GUI is less stable.  but ok.

Hi Ryan-

So when will we see an "S4L" or similar mid-line offering?  We're buying consoles and would like to continue our Avid Venue purchases but for a regional firm that can't line-item the FOH console the S6L represents too much *unrecoverable* money.

Tell us there is something in the pipeline for delivery beginning in 90-120 days. Our checkbook is open.

Edit ps:  I guess I should have read your reply to the other thread.  So when did Scovi give up his cane?
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Ryan O John on April 03, 2018, 07:32:50 pm
But what about an S6L makes it more complicated than a profile to walk up to?

All of the advanced features are optional, and every profile function is there, in the same workflow it has been for years, including loading all of those show files, with barely any conversion loss (I guess you could lose local IO 9-16, but thatís about it)

I have owned many Avid products both studio and live for many many years and continue too use them. There is a lot to like about the S6L for sure, but it is all the small "in the field" functionality that either makes or breaks a console for me now. Many digital consoles now sound quite good and the real litmus test is their usability in the field. I am not talking about a show that has been fully programmed and vetted prior to tour, but the little things in the heat of battle or the shift in user function that may be required for the show.

With Profile becoming the festival board of choice for being a walk up board I was a little taken aback that the S6L was not a walk up board. Very powerful and after the right set up, very nice to use.
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Ryan O John on April 03, 2018, 07:35:46 pm
Official Announcement in a few days, but hereís this for now:

https://www.facebook.com/AvidLiveSound/posts/10155602473123892


Hi Ryan-

So when will we see an "S4L" or similar mid-line offering?  We're buying consoles and would like to continue our Avid Venue purchases but for a regional firm that can't line-item the FOH console the S6L represents too much *unrecoverable* money.

Tell us there is something in the pipeline for delivery beginning in 90-120 days. Our checkbook is open.

Edit ps:  I guess I should have read your reply to the other thread.  So when did Scovi give up his cane?
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Tim McCulloch on April 03, 2018, 08:14:47 pm
Official Announcement in a few days, but hereís this for now:

https://www.facebook.com/AvidLiveSound/posts/10155602473123892

Facebook?  I feel so unclean....
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Scott Mullane on April 07, 2018, 06:48:28 pm
But what about an S6L makes it more complicated than a profile to walk up to?

All of the advanced features are optional, and every profile function is there, in the same workflow it has been for years, including loading all of those show files, with barely any conversion loss (I guess you could lose local IO 9-16, but thatís about it)

Walking up to one in a festival environment with your old Profile show loaded is very slow to navigate layers. Using the universe window could take up to 3 button presses to get to DCA's from the input window. That is, no layer buttons next to the faders and no dedicated master section. I do realise that this sacrifice makes it infinitely more flexible but without a custom set up, it is not a walk up board. Sure, you could customise the show prior to the gig with the offline editor...that is if I was not on the road on a laptop and unable to load the offline editor because of the laptops resolution. Hope that makes more sense.
Did I enjoy the board once my show was fully customised...yes! Was it frustrating as a walk up board...yes!
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Ryan O John on April 08, 2018, 12:18:10 am
There IS a dedicated master section, unless you choose To make it no longer a master.

16 VCAs are on the first page on the MLM fader control if you have the console in split mode ďprofile modeĒ or one button press (VCAs button on MLM) to see 32 of them on faders, and one button press in the universe screen on the MTS.

Custom layouts were never available on profile, instead the faders were laid out in channel order, this is completely preserved on the first 4 switches on the MLM fader navigation, theyíre in every way identical to Fader layers A, B, C, D.

I absolutely understand that the system is visually intimidating, but I have trouble understanding what about it is complex when comparing to a profile.

I get the frustration with the offline editor, that bothered me too for a while (turns out all macs newer than 2012 can run it on virtual machines).

Walking up to one in a festival environment with your old Profile show loaded is very slow to navigate layers. Using the universe window could take up to 3 button presses to get to DCA's from the input window. That is, no layer buttons next to the faders and no dedicated master section. I do realise that this sacrifice makes it infinitely more flexible but without a custom set up, it is not a walk up board. Sure, you could customise the show prior to the gig with the offline editor...that is if I was not on the road on a laptop and unable to load the offline editor because of the laptops resolution. Hope that makes more sense.
Did I enjoy the board once my show was fully customised...yes! Was it frustrating as a walk up board...yes!
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Scott Mullane on April 08, 2018, 08:22:38 pm
There IS a dedicated master section, unless you choose To make it no longer a master.

16 VCAs are on the first page on the MLM fader control if you have the console in split mode ďprofile modeĒ or one button press (VCAs button on MLM) to see 32 of them on faders, and one button press in the universe screen on the MTS.

Good to know. I was a little surprised that my Profile show came up so very different on the S6L. Possibly the production supplier was also on a learning curve. This is then likely the rub. The board is so customisable, which is a huge positive, that it takes away a degree of simplicity. We all want our cake and eat it too. ; )

I get the frustration with the offline editor, that bothered me too for a while (turns out all macs newer than 2012 can run it on virtual machines).

Good to know.
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Ryan O John on April 09, 2018, 12:02:06 pm
Iíll be out your way later this year, Iím more than happy to do a mini-training/have-a-beer, Iím always interested in hearing peopleís first impression. 


Good to know. I was a little surprised that my Profile show came up so very different on the S6L. Possibly the production supplier was also on a learning curve. This is then likely the rub. The board is so customisable, which is a huge positive, that it takes away a degree of simplicity. We all want our cake and eat it too. ; )

Good to know.
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Scott Mullane on April 09, 2018, 05:32:23 pm
Iíll be out your way later this year, Iím more than happy to do a mini-training/have-a-beer, Iím always interested in hearing peopleís first impression.

Sounds like a plan. Obviously I am impacted by my experience and that experience is also impacted by the knowledge base of the supplier or system techs. I would be very grateful to discuss my reservations with someone who has a deeper understanding of the board...and i never say no to a beer. ; )
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: brian maddox on May 10, 2018, 09:01:18 pm
Walking up to one in a festival environment with your old Profile show loaded is very slow to navigate layers. Using the universe window could take up to 3 button presses to get to DCA's from the input window. That is, no layer buttons next to the faders and no dedicated master section. I do realise that this sacrifice makes it infinitely more flexible but without a custom set up, it is not a walk up board. Sure, you could customise the show prior to the gig with the offline editor...that is if I was not on the road on a laptop and unable to load the offline editor because of the laptops resolution. Hope that makes more sense.
Did I enjoy the board once my show was fully customised...yes! Was it frustrating as a walk up board...yes!

At the risk of resurrecting a necro thread...

Looks like i've been tasked with baby-sitting a VI7000 and a s6l [ironically with a LA-K2 rig] at FOH for a festival late next week.  I've got some time on VI consoles [and that's just the headliners desk, so that should be easy enough since i expect they'll walk in, load their show, and go] but all the other acts are using the Avid.  I have about 3.71 seconds on an SC48 and not much other experience on Profile desks.

Good news:  I'm not mixing anything.  Just babysitting FOH for the BEs.

Bad News:  I'm sure i'll need to know how to load show files and do basic routing stuff in case something doesn't quite come up right, since a Profile was on the original spec so i think most of the files will actually be from Profiles.

Good news:  I've got a day and a half of prep to play with the desk in the shop before it goes out.


So.  I'll figure out the obvious stuff.  Not my first rodeo.   But from those of you steeped in the Way of Avidtm what are some typical gotchas to look out for?  And are there any really good resources for this desk other than the obvious RTFM?

Thanks to all....

p.s.  Don't ask how i got a gig babysitting a console i dislike and one i barely know.  My life is weird...
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Scott Mullane on May 22, 2018, 07:08:32 pm
Maybe spend some time on the offline editor prior to the gig to set up your basic show and fast track it all. This will allow you more time to experiment and customise your preferred set-up. Although, load the software while having a 1920x1080 monitor attached to the computer or it will not load. : P

It is extremely customisable and it pays to get into that and set it up properly. Although it kinda does pay to be fluent on a Profile, there are still a lot of differences and your lack of Profile time many not be a huge issue. It is no steeper a learning curve than any other console and you will like workflow once you get it right or hate it until you do.
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: brian maddox on May 22, 2018, 08:08:49 pm
Maybe spend some time on the offline editor prior to the gig to set up your basic show and fast track it all. This will allow you more time to experiment and customise your preferred set-up. Although, load the software while having a 1920x1080 monitor attached to the computer or it will not load. : P

It is extremely customisable and it pays to get into that and set it up properly. Although it kinda does pay to be fluent on a Profile, there are still a lot of differences and your lack of Profile time many not be a huge issue. It is no steeper a learning curve than any other console and you will like workflow once you get it right or hate it until you do.

Thanks for the response.  Unfortunately i've already gone and done the show and returned...  :)

I did spend a good bit of time getting familiar with the desk, and there are a lot of things i like.  There are also a LOT of things i don't like, and most of them are not because the workflow is different than what i am used to.  They are what i consider to be fundamentally bad design choices from a software UI standpoint.  But if/when i get into all of that, it'll be in a new thread discussing UI design and the advantages/disadvantages to various approaches.

Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Scott Mullane on May 23, 2018, 06:41:06 am

I did spend a good bit of time getting familiar with the desk, and there are a lot of things i like.  There are also a LOT of things i don't like, and most of them are not because the workflow is different than what i am used to.  They are what i consider to be fundamentally bad design choices from a software UI standpoint.  But if/when i get into all of that, it'll be in a new thread discussing UI design and the advantages/disadvantages to various approaches.

I would like to be a part of that sort off discussion. The brainstorming session of a super GUI.
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Andrew Broughton on May 24, 2018, 01:34:29 pm
I would like to be a part of that sort off (sic) discussion. The brainstorming session of a super GUI.
Yeah, I as well... If only manufacturers would actually listen.
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Ryan O John on August 02, 2018, 05:05:41 pm
Yeah, I as well... If only manufacturers would actually listen.

I ask users literally every day what they would change, and we often do it... so what would you change? 
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Brad Harris on August 02, 2018, 05:44:31 pm
I ask users literally every day what they would change, and we often do it... so what would you change? 

Thanks Ryan!

Theres been a few things that I've submitted and has been fixed relatively quickly in the past .... just make sure you don't break the sends on faders on a stereo send PAN assign :) Very frustrating on award/broadcast shows where I rarely get a full 2 songs in with a band I don't work with on 10 mixes of IEM :)


Brad
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Miguel Dahl on August 04, 2018, 02:18:57 pm
In other words it's not that backwards compatible to laptops which don't have that resolution.

I remember combating the somewhat same issue when trying to use Meyers MAPP some years ago on a netbook, some of the buttons would appear off screen. I solved this by dialing up the resolution with some "hack", so I could scroll around on a bigger desktop than the netbook supported.
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Andrew Broughton on August 04, 2018, 05:39:22 pm
I ask users literally every day what they would change, and we often do it... so what would you change? 
That's good to hear.
However, I was speaking more generally about brainstorming console UIs and that in my experience, most manufacturers do not engage in any dialog with users about why something is one way or what changes can be made to help workflow. I don't use Avid stuff enough for my opinion on them to be particularly valid, other than to say that I dislike UIs like the SC/Profile and Midas that require a mouse/cursor to access certain functions.
Title: Re: AVID S6L/LA-K2 my thoughts so far...
Post by: Tim McCulloch on August 04, 2018, 06:07:48 pm
That's good to hear.
However, I was speaking more generally about brainstorming console UIs and that in my experience, most manufacturers do not engage in any dialog with users about why something is one way or what changes can be made to help workflow. I don't use Avid stuff enough for my opinion on them to be particularly valid, other than to say that I dislike UIs like the SC/Profile and Midas that require a mouse/cursor to access certain functions.

We're an Avid shop, mostly, and I've seen BEs operate the available UI in different ways.  Some are very mouse oriented and others interact mostly with the surface control and indicators; a few are hybrid.  I find I use the mouse to sweep EQs and for dealing with configuration choices and things that I'll probably not change during a performance and try to focus on the talent and surface while mixing.  The screen is for my comfort and confirmation that I'm on the right layer, channel or parameter.  I'm not sure how good I am at ignoring the screen (trying to not mix with my eyes) sometimes... ;)

I have a number of ideas about UI, both physical and virtual, but I'm not ready to discuss them publicly.