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Title: Media Player
Post by: Scott Levine on December 19, 2017, 09:41:14 pm
I have been mixing gigs where.people are showing up with all kinds of media containing their tracks. This includes company flash and thumb drives. Is there a micro solution that will fit in my gig box without having to have a laptop?  Thanks.

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Title: Re: Media Player
Post by: Scott Levine on December 19, 2017, 09:41:52 pm
I have been mixing gigs where.people are showing up with all kinds of media containing their tracks. This includes company flash and thumb drives. Is there a micro solution that will fit in my gig box without having to have a laptop?  Thanks.

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Compact Flash. Damn spell check.

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Title: Re: Media Player
Post by: Jeff Lelko on December 20, 2017, 06:34:05 pm
Hi Scott,

I use a pair of Denon DN-501Cs for media playback when I donít want/need/trust my laptop.  Theyíre nifty units and can handle a wide variety of audio formats on CD or USB.  The Denon DN-300Z is similar but offers more input formats, including SD cards.  Iím not sure how big your gig bag is, but aside from USB dongles or maybe a Best Buy-type solution this is where Iíd be looking.  Hope this helps!
Title: Re: Media Player
Post by: Scott Levine on December 20, 2017, 08:50:27 pm
Hi Scott,

I use a pair of Denon DN-501Cs for media playback when I donít want/need/trust my laptop.  Theyíre nifty units and can handle a wide variety of audio formats on CD or USB.  The Denon DN-300Z is similar but offers more input formats, including SD cards.  Iím not sure how big your gig bag is, but aside from USB dongles or maybe a Best Buy-type solution this is where Iíd be looking.  Hope this helps!

Thanks Jeff.  These seem great but I was hoping for something more compact and def. not rack sized.  I have a large pelican case that is pretty damn full!  I was hoping not to add a larger load to tote around.
Title: Re: Media Player
Post by: Cailen Waddell on December 20, 2017, 09:05:24 pm
Thanks Jeff.  These seem great but I was hoping for something more compact and def. not rack sized.  I have a large pelican case that is pretty damn full!  I was hoping not to add a larger load to tote around.
Rolls has a half or third rackspace thing that does wma and MP3 but that wouldnít be enough formats for me... usb and sd card....



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Title: Re: Media Player
Post by: Tim McCulloch on December 21, 2017, 03:55:09 pm
Compact Flash. Damn spell check.

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What still uses CF?  I figured it was dead format by now, like the PCMCIA memory cards used in Yammy's PM5D.
Title: Re: Media Player
Post by: Mac Kerr on December 21, 2017, 03:59:40 pm
What still uses CF?  I figured it was dead format by now, like the PCMCIA memory cards used in Yammy's PM5D.

What?!?! Do you mean I can take those PCMCIA cards and CF>PCMCIA adapters out of my briefcase? I just need to keep the 12-15 USB sticks I have in there?

Mac
Title: Re: Media Player
Post by: Rob Spence on December 21, 2017, 04:32:40 pm
What still uses CF?  I figured it was dead format by now, like the PCMCIA memory cards used in Yammy's PM5D.

Some pro cameras still use them. You can actually label the cases for them and not lose them in your pocket


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Title: Re: Media Player
Post by: David Allred on December 21, 2017, 05:49:33 pm
USB / SD media players in the $25-30 range on eBay and Amazon.  Requires a monitor if cueing  trax. 
Definitely small. 
Title: Re: Media Player
Post by: Jeff Lelko on December 21, 2017, 08:13:13 pm
USB / SD media players in the $25-30 range on eBay and Amazon.  Requires a monitor if cueing  trax. 
Definitely small.

Yes, but this also opens up the can of worms of ďwhat do you consider reliable enough and quality enough for professional use?Ē  Not knowing Scottís situation itís hard to say what would cut it.  Even my Denons are a far cry from the true professional solutions found in absolutely critical media playback situations, but Iíve found them robust and reliable enough for things like National Anthem playback at municipal tribute events and whatnot.     
Title: Re: Media Player
Post by: David Allred on December 21, 2017, 09:36:57 pm
Not knowing Scottís situation itís hard to say what would cut it. 

Agreed.  But that is why I threw it in.  Maybe not for this application, but maybe another.
Title: Re: Media Player
Post by: Jeff Lelko on December 21, 2017, 09:50:07 pm
Agreed.  But that is why I threw it in.  Maybe not for this application, but maybe another.

Oh absolutely, and I have nothing against these!  Itís just aside from form-factor, what other requirements Scott needs to meet with his solution.  Iíve put many Amazon and Best Buy products into applications that they probably donít belong and still had good results - they just donít always give me the warm fuzzy feeling I get from more robust solutions!   
Title: Re: Media Player
Post by: Scott Levine on December 21, 2017, 11:29:14 pm
Oh absolutely, and I have nothing against these!  Itís just aside from form-factor, what other requirements Scott needs to meet with his solution.  Iíve put many Amazon and Best Buy products into applications that they probably donít belong and still had good results - they just donít always give me the warm fuzzy feeling I get from more robust solutions!

I appreciate all of the feedback.  I do a lot of gigs that will combine live bands and artists that sing and dance to tracks.  I have had people come up with phones, which is easy enough.  1/8 in to stereo XLR inputs.  You can get those adapters for $10.  I was hoping for a handheld format with a small LCD screen for cuing that accepts a USB input.  I did not want to also have to tote a laptop in addition to the tablet that I use to remote control Yamaha consoles.
Title: Re: Media Player
Post by: Scott Levine on December 21, 2017, 11:55:56 pm
I appreciate all of the feedback.  I do a lot of gigs that will combine live bands and artists that sing and dance to tracks.  I have had people come up with phones, which is easy enough.  1/8 in to stereo XLR inputs.  You can get those adapters for $10.  I was hoping for a handheld format with a small LCD screen for cuing that accepts a USB input.  I did not want to also have to tote a laptop in addition to the tablet that I use to remote control Yamaha consoles.


Perhaps not the elegant solution I was hoping for, but what about using this adapter (https://www.greenbot.com/article/2155300/how-to-hook-up-a-usb-flash-drive-to-your-android-device.html) as an interface combined with your average multi-card reader (https://www.amazon.com/Transcend-Super-Multi-Card-Reader-TS-RDF8K/dp/B0056TYRMW/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1513918447&sr=8-4&keywords=multi+card+reader+usb) and simply use my phone for the purpose?  LOL
Title: Re: Media Player
Post by: Jeff Lelko on December 22, 2017, 04:10:51 pm

Perhaps not the elegant solution I was hoping for, but what about using this adapter (https://www.greenbot.com/article/2155300/how-to-hook-up-a-usb-flash-drive-to-your-android-device.html) as an interface combined with your average multi-card reader (https://www.amazon.com/Transcend-Super-Multi-Card-Reader-TS-RDF8K/dp/B0056TYRMW/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1513918447&sr=8-4&keywords=multi+card+reader+usb) and simply use my phone for the purpose?  LOL

No worries, and this kind of solution is exactly what I was getting at.  Does it work?  Maybe?  Sometimes?  How much would you trust this to work and what are the consequences if it doesnít?  What happens if your phone rings while playing a track with this device?  I run into similar situations when providing mainstage sound for local (small) festivals with a wide variety of acts - think talent show style.  Sometimes I can get the media ahead of time and sometimes I canít.  At least with my Denon racks I donít have to worry about the device itself working, and these particular units can copy the media off CDs so that Iím always playing back from a solid state source.  If time permits I can just do the same thing with my computer.  I know you donít want a computer dongle or 19Ē rackmount unit, but youíll have to weigh that against the pervceived reliability of something else if you canít find a solution you trust completely.  Hope this helps and good luck!   
Title: Re: Media Player
Post by: Scott Levine on December 22, 2017, 09:58:26 pm
No worries, and this kind of solution is exactly what I was getting at.  Does it work?  Maybe?  Sometimes?  How much would you trust this to work and what are the consequences if it doesnít?  What happens if your phone rings while playing a track with this device?  I run into similar situations when providing mainstage sound for local (small) festivals with a wide variety of acts - think talent show style.  Sometimes I can get the media ahead of time and sometimes I canít.  At least with my Denon racks I donít have to worry about the device itself working, and these particular units can copy the media off CDs so that Iím always playing back from a solid state source.  If time permits I can just do the same thing with my computer.  I know you donít want a computer dongle or 19Ē rackmount unit, but youíll have to weigh that against the pervceived reliability of something else if you canít find a solution you trust completely.  Hope this helps and good luck!

Thanks.  You would think this would be easier!  I have a peavey 10 channel board that has bluetooth and a built in media player, but I do not want to have to lug that either!
Title: Re: Media Player
Post by: Tim McCulloch on December 23, 2017, 04:10:04 pm
What?!?! Do you mean I can take those PCMCIA cards and CF>PCMCIA adapters out of my briefcase? I just need to keep the 12-15 USB sticks I have in there?

Mac

Hey Mac, it's not my fault you mix on dinosaurs...  :)

I thought the CF was pretty much a "legacy" storage device as most of portable audio (and what little VDO I touch) I've encountered recently has all be SD card based.   Probably because I don't work directly in video, I didn't realize that Canon (among others) was still using it.

Happy Holly-Daze.
Title: Re: Media Player
Post by: Scott Levine on December 26, 2017, 02:20:03 am
Hey Mac, it's not my fault you mix on dinosaurs...  :)

I thought the CF was pretty much a "legacy" storage device as most of portable audio (and what little VDO I touch) I've encountered recently has all be SD card based.   Probably because I don't work directly in video, I didn't realize that Canon (among others) was still using it.

Happy Holly-Daze.


He he.  I am almost always on a Yamaha digital console.  On rare occasions, a Soundcraft or Allan & Heath analog board (Usually outdoor/bad weather) gigs.