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Title: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Robert Lofgren on October 24, 2017, 12:18:59 am
They have now put it up in their products catalog.

http://www.music-group.com/Categories/Behringer/Mixers/Mixer-Accessories/X-LIVE/p/P0AWR

I hope this means that it is close to be released?  :)

https://youtu.be/g43BCr-IXYM
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Dan Mortensen on October 25, 2017, 03:27:46 pm
They have now put it up in their products catalog.

http://www.music-group.com/Categories/Behringer/Mixers/Mixer-Accessories/X-LIVE/p/P0AWR

I hope this means that it is close to be released?  :)

https://youtu.be/g43BCr-IXYM

Dealer here, just got a note that it's available for preorder, US$199.99 MAP.

There was a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g43BCr-IXYM) linked in the email which I hadn't
seen but over 11k people have, given that it was Youtube'd in August.

Not that I'm in this category yet, but what do you do if you are Dante networked and want to use this card? Consoles only hold one card....
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: James Paul on October 25, 2017, 04:15:13 pm

Not that I'm in this category yet, but what do you do if you are Dante networked and want to use this card? Consoles only hold one card....

Connect via AES50 to an additional X/M32 console of choice with X-Live card installed for recording.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Jay Marr on October 25, 2017, 10:25:06 pm
Dealer here, just got a note that it's available for preorder, US$199.99 MAP.

There was a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g43BCr-IXYM) linked in the email which I hadn't
seen but over 11k people have, given that it was Youtube'd in August.

Not that I'm in this category yet, but what do you do if you are Dante networked and want to use this card? Consoles only hold one card....

Whoa!  Cheaper than expected.
I'm getting 2!
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: brian maddox on October 25, 2017, 10:58:25 pm
Connect via AES50 to an additional X/M32 console of choice with X-Live card installed for recording.

Itís funny but this solution completely eluded me and solves the exact issue I would have had with this card. All I have to do is add a X32core (we have several on the shelf) to our Dante carded X32 rack to record.  Cool!
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Robert Lofgren on October 26, 2017, 12:07:12 am
Yes, this is the way that I used it with the Waves x-wsg as well.

Itís funny but this solution completely eluded me and solves the exact issue I would have had with this card. All I have to do is add a X32core (we have several on the shelf) to our Dante carded X32 rack to record.  Cool!
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Dan Mortensen on October 26, 2017, 04:48:29 am
They have now put it up in their products catalog.

http://www.music-group.com/Categories/Behringer/Mixers/Mixer-Accessories/X-LIVE/p/P0AWR

I hope this means that it is close to be released?  :)

https://youtu.be/g43BCr-IXYM

It's now in the American distributor's product list. None in stock, no expected date for shipment arrival.

Wasn't there when I looked the other day.

(Was that video in your original post and I quoted it but didn't register it was there? Sheesh.)
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Dan Mortensen on October 26, 2017, 04:58:35 am
Connect via AES50 to an additional X/M32 console of choice with X-Live card installed for recording.

Thanks for this, James.

Is anybody linking X32 consoles together via a Dante network, like FOH and monitor?

Or is that strictly AES50?

Like I said, I'm not there yet and am having a hard time visualizing how that works. I have linked to Shure quad ULXD, with help, which works fine, but only have one Dante card and limited capability beyond that.

I, too, have on-the-shelf Cores that would have a reason for existing with this new card if both AES50 ports are not otherwise in use.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Robert Lofgren on October 26, 2017, 08:18:29 am
X-dante is limited to 32ch while aes50 offers 48ch so depending on your setup....

Another limitation is that you can only remotely control the preamps through aes50 and not by using dante.

In my current test setup I have three x32 all connected via aes50 and then each of them have different option cards installed, x-dante, x-wsg and x-live. Pretty cool setup if you ask me....

Thanks for this, James.

Is anybody linking X32 consoles together via a Dante network, like FOH and monitor?

Or is that strictly AES50?

Like I said, I'm not there yet and am having a hard time visualizing how that works. I have linked to Shure quad ULXD, with help, which works fine, but only have one Dante card and limited capability beyond that.

I, too, have on-the-shelf Cores that would have a reason for existing with this new card if both AES50 ports are not otherwise in use.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Erik Jerde on October 26, 2017, 08:47:19 am
Not that I'm in this category yet, but what do you do if you are Dante networked and want to use this card? Consoles only hold one card....

That's my situation.  I plan to just record via Dante as I have been.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: brian maddox on October 26, 2017, 12:59:57 pm
X-dante is limited to 32ch while aes50 offers 48ch so depending on your setup....

Another limitation is that you can only remotely control the preamps through aes50 and not by using dante.

In my current test setup I have three x32 all connected via aes50 and then each of them have different option cards installed, x-dante, x-wsg and x-live. Pretty cool setup if you ask me....

The shop i'm working out of now has X32/M32 mixers for littler stuff and QL1/QL5 and RIOs for bigger-ish stuff.  All our 32s have Dante cards and i have used them with our RIO boxes several times using RIO Remote to control the HeadAmps.  Works just fine.

I've only rarely used the AES50 ports and usually had some head scratching moments as a result.  But i do like the idea of using them to essentially gain another card slot with a X32 Core.  Especially since ours are kinda falling into disuse.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Daniel Levi on November 03, 2017, 05:20:53 pm
According to Behringers Twitter feed the X-LIVE card is now available.
One extra un-mentioned feature is if you fit a CR123A lithium battery (iirc a "camera" battery) then if the power fails it will finalise the write to the SD card(s) meaning you don't lose the recording.

More information from this product fiche.

https://media.music-group.com/media/PLM/data/docs/P0AWR/BEHRINGER_X-LIVE%20P0AWR_Product%20Information%20Document.pdf

Sweetwater are advertising it for $199.99
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Erik Jerde on November 03, 2017, 05:27:32 pm
One extra un-mentioned feature is if you fit a CR123A lithium battery (iirc a "camera" battery) then if the power fails it will finalise the write to the SD card(s) meaning you don't lose the recording.

That's a pretty awesome feature!
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Robert Lofgren on November 03, 2017, 06:44:28 pm
It is not available, but rather available for pre-order.

Iíve seen posts indicating that pre-orders might show up early december.

The battery option has already been mentioned around august.

According to Behringers Twitter feed the X-LIVE card is now available.
One extra un-mentioned feature is if you fit a CR123A lithium battery (iirc a "camera" battery) then if the power fails it will finalise the write to the SD card(s) meaning you don't lose the recording.

More information from this product fiche.

https://media.music-group.com/media/PLM/data/docs/P0AWR/BEHRINGER_X-LIVE%20P0AWR_Product%20Information%20Document.pdf

Sweetwater are advertising it for $199.99
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Robert Lofgren on January 03, 2018, 02:56:12 pm
Iíve just seen a post from a user who got his x-live today (in Canada)...

Yee-Haw!
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Corey Scogin on January 03, 2018, 05:10:46 pm
Iíve just seen a post from a user who got his x-live today (in Canada)...

Still waiting for mine from the candy-sending online retailer.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Jay Marr on January 03, 2018, 08:04:36 pm
Still waiting for mine from the candy-sending online retailer.

+1
Title: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Ed Hall on January 03, 2018, 08:40:38 pm
Still waiting for mine from the candy-sending online retailer.

Candy-sending online retailer
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Mike Goodreau on January 04, 2018, 08:19:39 am
Have had one on back order for awhile. No updates on delivery as yet . Will post when I hear news


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Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Terry Martin on January 04, 2018, 11:55:58 pm
Still waiting for mine from the candy-sending online retailer.
Same here - no tracking number yet. 
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Andrew Henderson on January 08, 2018, 01:40:19 pm
I just got a tracking number on mine. It should arrive Wednesday.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Terry Martin on January 09, 2018, 10:11:15 am
From where?   I just checked with NSL, no word from Behringer regarding ship date. 
I just got a tracking number on mine. It should arrive Wednesday.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Andrew Henderson on January 09, 2018, 10:52:45 am
From where?   I just checked with NSL, no word from Behringer regarding ship date.
I'm a dealer, so I ordered it from Music Group. I believe I pre-ordered it in October. I'm a very small dealer compared to all of the big online shops, so I imagine they're all getting theirs from Music Group around now too.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: John Koepke Jr. on January 09, 2018, 05:52:48 pm
Still waiting for mine from the candy-sending online retailer.
My rep from the Candy-sending online retailer informed me that it should be shipping this week..  But they did say that last week..  So, here is hoping!
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Andrew Henderson on January 11, 2018, 04:04:56 pm
I got one yesterday. I have a live recording session on an M32 Friday/Saturday, so Iíll probably wait until next week to update the firmware and install the card.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Jay Marr on January 12, 2018, 03:08:19 pm
Just got a call from the Candyman....mine is one it's way!
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Robert Lofgren on January 12, 2018, 03:49:20 pm
I made a FAQ a while ago and should answer most of your questions...

https://forum.musictri.be/showthread.php?20181-FAQ-for-the-X-Live-Recording-and-Playback-card-for-the-x-m32-line-of-mixers
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: John Koepke Jr. on January 12, 2018, 04:39:44 pm
Just got a call from the Candyman....mine is one it's way!
Just got the email from them as well..  Mine is also on its way.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Corey Scogin on January 12, 2018, 04:44:49 pm
I made a FAQ a while ago and should answer most of your questions...

https://forum.musictri.be/showthread.php?20181-FAQ-for-the-X-Live-Recording-and-Playback-card-for-the-x-m32-line-of-mixers

Thanks. That's a good collection of information. 

I hope they expand the supported card size in the future. 32GB isn't much for 32 tracks. I suspect they won't. I bet that's the whole reason for the dual card setup - to extend a recording session to a reasonable amount of time for longer live performances without the extra expense of supporting larger cards. Maybe I'm just too skeptical.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Robert Lofgren on January 13, 2018, 05:22:01 am
Iím just going to say that supported and unsupported are two different things ;-)

Thanks. That's a good collection of information. 

I hope they expand the supported card size in the future. 32GB isn't much for 32 tracks. I suspect they won't. I bet that's the whole reason for the dual card setup - to extend a recording session to a reasonable amount of time for longer live performances without the extra expense of supporting larger cards. Maybe I'm just too skeptical.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Daniel Levi on January 13, 2018, 05:26:54 am
I believe it's all down to using FAT32 for the file system which on SDXC cards is generally not used, instead exFAT is used. I believe there are difficulties in formatting some cards to FAT32 so that could be the problem.
I'm guessing if you can format the card to FAT32 then it MIGHT work but there are some other differences which might also cause problems.

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Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Jay Marr on January 16, 2018, 10:10:49 pm
I made a FAQ a while ago and should answer most of your questions...

https://forum.musictri.be/showthread.php?20181-FAQ-for-the-X-Live-Recording-and-Playback-card-for-the-x-m32-line-of-mixers

Candy has arrived, going to dive into your resource center now!

*Edit - Drew's videos are super helpful for quick set up!
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Rusty Stevens on January 18, 2018, 09:57:10 pm
Partition size limit for FAT32 is 32Gig

I believe it's all down to using FAT32 for the file system which on SDXC cards is generally not used, instead exFAT is used. I believe there are difficulties in formatting some cards to FAT32 so that could be the problem.
I'm guessing if you can format the card to FAT32 then it MIGHT work but there are some other differences which might also cause problems.

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Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Jay Marr on January 19, 2018, 09:21:44 am
Partition size limit for FAT32 is 32Gig

There is a thread on the Behringer forum about this.
You can download:  AOMEI partition standard edition 6.6
This tool allows you to format a 64 Gig card as FAT32 (and it still reads as 64 gig).

I did this 2 nights ago and it worked perfectly.

I did some sample recording to ensure the card worked properly.
I set my card to record 16 tracks and (in the x32 app) it shows I have 5 hours and 41 minutes of track time.

There are others stating on that other thread that they have done the same thing and have tracked over 4 hours successfully.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Will "GLiDE" Mims on January 19, 2018, 10:05:31 am
There is a thread on the Behringer forum about this.
You can download:  AOMEI partition standard edition 6.6
This tool allows you to format a 64 Gig card as FAT32 (and it still reads as 64 gig).

I did this 2 nights ago and it worked perfectly.

I did some sample recording to ensure the card worked properly.
I set my card to record 16 tracks and (in the x32 app) it shows I have 5 hours and 41 minutes of track time.

There are others stating on that other thread that they have done the same thing and have tracked over 4 hours successfully.

I just took my Lexar 256GB card from my 4K camcorder and formatted it last night FAT32.
X32 showed the correct hours (over 11h for 32ch, over 23h for 16ch).

I started a dummy recording (16ch) and am letting it run for close to 23h before I'll kill it.
It had already clocked over 6 hours this morning and time was still counting up/down for
time recording/time left on SD card.

It's a Lexar Class 10 rated up to 95MB/s read/write transfer speed.
I think Behringer will not officially support it due to SD card standards for manufacturers, but
if the user gets it to work, more power to them.  They may support SDXC in future firmware
revisions, but I doubt it.

If it makes 23h+ recording, I'll post the results.  Next gig, I'll slap it on record before we start and
not stop it to break it into sessions.  That should give me over 6 hours of real time recording of
actual 16ch audio when I do that.  I'll make sure there are no glitches in audio.  Will probably
run it 32ch mode to stress it as much as possible even though we'll only have actual musical audio
on 16ch.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Will "GLiDE" Mims on January 19, 2018, 10:19:32 am
I just took my Lexar 256GB card from my 4K camcorder and formatted it last night FAT32.
X32 showed the correct hours (over 11h for 32ch, over 23h for 16ch).

I started a dummy recording (16ch) and am letting it run for close to 23h before I'll kill it.
It had already clocked over 6 hours this morning and time was still counting up/down for
time recording/time left on SD card.

It's a Lexar Class 10 rated up to 95MB/s read/write transfer speed.
I think Behringer will not officially support it due to SD card standards for manufacturers, but
if the user gets it to work, more power to them.  They may support SDXC in future firmware
revisions, but I doubt it.

If it makes 23h+ recording, I'll post the results.  Next gig, I'll slap it on record before we start and
not stop it to break it into sessions.  That should give me over 6 hours of real time recording of
actual 16ch audio when I do that.  I'll make sure there are no glitches in audio.  Will probably
run it 32ch mode to stress it as much as possible even though we'll only have actual musical audio
on 16ch.

Incidentally, mine was purchased from the "Candy-sending online retailer" and received yesterday.
I'll post the results on the dummy long term 256GB recording test.

After that, I'll post the results of 6 hours of real audio recording for my Jan 26th gig.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Jay Marr on January 19, 2018, 11:26:51 am
Incidentally, mine was purchased from the "Candy-sending online retailer" and received yesterday.
I'll post the results on the dummy long term 256GB recording test.

After that, I'll post the results of 6 hours of real audio recording for my Jan 26th gig.

Right on.  I'm going to track both of my gigs this weekend and will report back on how it goes.

Also, the resources posted above by Robert were excellent.
The videos in there (by Drew) clearly illustrated how to update both firmwares and get everything routed properly.  I'm absolutely loving this!
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Robert Lofgren on January 19, 2018, 12:21:47 pm
A single session can only be max 24hrs. I have never tried to record something past that limit so I have to admit not knowing what happens if you leave it running for more than 24hrs.

Please tell me what happens if you ever try this...
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Will "GLiDE" Mims on January 19, 2018, 03:17:20 pm
A single session can only be max 24hrs. I have never tried to record something past that limit so I have to admit not knowing what happens if you leave it running for more than 24hrs.

Please tell me what happens if you ever try this...

I won't know the answer to this one until I get my other SDXC cards I ordered since a single 256GB is only good
for a little over 23h recording time in 16 track mode.  hehehe.   8)

It was still going at lunch today and had clocked over 11h recording time in 16 track mode.
Title: Posting Rules
Post by: Mac Kerr on January 19, 2018, 04:25:07 pm
I just took my Lexar 256GB card from my 4K camcorder

Please go to your profile and change the "Name" field to your real first and last name as required by the posting rules displayed in the header at the top of the section, and in the Site Rules and Suggestions (http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/board,36.0.html) in the Forum Announcements section, and on the registration page when you registered.

Mac
Title: Re: Posting Rules
Post by: Will "GLiDE" Mims on January 19, 2018, 07:15:06 pm
Please go to your profile and change the "Name" field to your real first and last name as required by the posting rules displayed in the header at the top of the section, and in the Site Rules and Suggestions (http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/board,36.0.html) in the Forum Announcements section, and on the registration page when you registered.

Mac

That cool or do I need to lose the nickname that I'm known by as much as my first name?  Just let me know.  Totally overlooked the real name thingy.

 :)
Title: Re: Posting Rules
Post by: Will "GLiDE" Mims on January 19, 2018, 07:18:36 pm
Recording is at 18h 43m 23s and some frames...  8)
Title: Re: Posting Rules
Post by: Ray Aberle on January 19, 2018, 09:07:04 pm
That cool or do I need to lose the nickname that I'm known by as much as my first name?  Just let me know.  Totally overlooked the real name thingy.

 :)
You're good. Here on the PSW, we pride ourselves on being civil and standing behind what we say. Alluding to nicknames (like you did) is just fine-- we just don't hide behind a fully anonymous pseudonym!

-Ray
Title: Re: Posting Rules
Post by: Will "GLiDE" Mims on January 19, 2018, 10:43:18 pm
You're good. Here on the PSW, we pride ourselves on being civil and standing behind what we say. Alluding to nicknames (like you did) is just fine-- we just don't hide behind a fully anonymous pseudonym!

-Ray

Cool! Just want to be compliant.  I'm the guy that reads the instruction manual as a last resort... Hehehe

Update:
Continuous recording time:
22h 08m 23s and counting
Title: Re: Posting Rules
Post by: Will "GLiDE" Mims on January 19, 2018, 11:53:41 pm
Finally ran out of space.

Displayed an error about SD card running out of space.  I can play the file back all the way to the end in the X32.  I have not put the SD card in the laptop to pull the files yet.  I'll probably wait until tomorrow to do that.  Getting late here on the East Coast USA...  aCk!!!  :o

256GB single SDXC
23h:10m:27s:76f     in 16ch record mode.
Title: Re: Posting Rules
Post by: Scott Bolt on January 20, 2018, 10:12:35 am
You're good. Here on the PSW, we pride ourselves on being civil and standing behind what we say. Alluding to nicknames (like you did) is just fine-- we just don't hide behind a fully anonymous pseudonym!

-Ray
Absolutely.  If you say it, you have to own it ;)
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Corey Scogin on January 21, 2018, 05:21:21 pm
I just took my Lexar 256GB card from my 4K camcorder and formatted it last night FAT32.
X32 showed the correct hours (over 11h for 32ch, over 23h for 16ch).

To add a little more info to the SDHC vs SDXC conversation:
In my testing, the X32 will record on, but not format or erase an SDXC card. SDHC is fully compatible with all functions as specified.

Interestingly, the menu item changes from "Format SD" to "Erase SD" when using an SDXC card instead of an SDHC but it errors when trying to erase the SDXC.

@Robert Lofgren, can you provide some insight into why the "Erase" option is there and in what circumstances the X32 will erase but not format a card?

So, even if using SDXC cards for the space, it may be useful to keep a couple of SDHC cards handy in case you need to format or erase one and you don't have a computer nearby.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Jay Marr on January 21, 2018, 05:51:12 pm
To add a little more info to the SDHC vs SDXC conversation:
In my testing, the X32 will record on, but not format or erase an SDXC card. SDHC is fully compatible with all functions as specified.

Interestingly, the menu item changes from "Format SD" to "Erase SD" when using an SDXC card instead of an SDHC but it errors when trying to erase the SDXC.

@Robert Lofgren, can you provide some insight into why the "Erase" option is there and in what circumstances the X32 will erase but not format a card?

So, even if using SDXC cards for the space, it may be useful to keep a couple of SDHC cards handy in case you need to format or erase one and you don't have a computer nearby.

I'm using a 64g SDXC card and I still have the 'Format SD' option (and I used it successfully on 2 cards)
Deleting a session is a little quirky though.  It seems like nothing happens, they you tap somewhere else and get an error message saying it couldn't delete.  But 1 second later the session disappears (so the delete did work).
It's a little odd, but it works.

If anyone can find a fast way to explode the multi channel WAV, and 'combine' the multiple chunks of a single session, I'd love to hear it.
It's been a complete PITA trying to get these files into my DAW.  Making me think that going back to taking my laptop and tracking straight to my DAW is a much better option.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Robert Lofgren on January 21, 2018, 06:39:43 pm
To add a little more info to the SDHC vs SDXC conversation:
In my testing, the X32 will record on, but not format or erase an SDXC card. SDHC is fully compatible with all functions as specified.
It should be able to erase the card. Can you share the model of the card?

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@Robert Lofgren, can you provide some insight into why the "Erase" option is there and in what circumstances the X32 will erase but not format a card?
Formatting a sdxc into something other than exFAT is a breach of the sdcard association licensing program that the x-live is using, so as soon as a sdxc is detected the format option had to be removed to comply.

The Ďeraseí feature was a way to at least empty a sdxc if it had any data/garbage or hidden files on it. You can always erase individual sessions from the x32.
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Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Robert Lofgren on January 21, 2018, 06:45:08 pm
I'm using a 64g SDXC card and I still have the 'Format SD' option (and I used it successfully on 2 cards)
That is a bug. Care to share the model of your cards?

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Deleting a session is a little quirky though.  It seems like nothing happens, they you tap somewhere else and get an error message saying it couldn't delete.  But 1 second later the session disappears (so the delete did work).
It's a little odd, but it works.
Sounds strange. Need to investigate...

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If anyone can find a fast way to explode the multi channel WAV, and 'combine' the multiple chunks of a single session, I'd love to hear it.
It's been a complete PITA trying to get these files into my DAW.  Making me think that going back to taking my laptop and tracking straight to my DAW is a much better option.
I know of at least one guy who is currently writing an x-liveó>wav64 utility. Shouldnít be too long I guess since behringer have published the session format.

For a quick conversion I use Reaper. Drag all of the wav files into the reaper timeline. Make sure that all of them are selected and then execute the explode tracks option. This will give you all 32 tracks in perfect and seemless sync.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Corey Scogin on January 22, 2018, 12:40:58 am
That is a bug. Care to share the model of your cards?

I have two of the same model SDXC card that give a "System Error 6" when attempting to erase using the x32.
The model is Sandisk Ultra MicroSDXC UHS-1 Class 10 64GB (https://www.sandisk.com/home/memory-cards/microsd-cards/ultra-microsd-for-cameras). I'm using it with the included adapter. When it's not formatted to FAT32, the X32 shows the "Format" option but when selected, throws the "System Error 6" message. After the card is formatted to FAT32, the X32 shows the "Erase" option but throws the same error.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Jay Marr on January 22, 2018, 09:37:14 am
That is a bug. Care to share the model of your cards?
Sounds strange. Need to investigate...
I know of at least one guy who is currently writing an x-liveó>wav64 utility. Shouldnít be too long I guess since behringer have published the session format.

For a quick conversion I use Reaper. Drag all of the wav files into the reaper timeline. Make sure that all of them are selected and then execute the explode tracks option. This will give you all 32 tracks in perfect and seemless sync.

SanDisk Ultra 64GB Class 10 SDXC UHS-1
When I try to delete a session, I get that same "System Error 6" message....but it then does delete the file.

Let me know if you need me to fire up my rack and take some screen shots.

Thanks!


On the Reaper topic:
So Reaper will read it multiple files from a single session, and time align them appropriately?
If that's the case...very cool.
Is there an easy way to then export from Reaper?
Appreciate your help here.

Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: brian maddox on January 22, 2018, 09:42:56 am


On the Reaper topic:
So Reaper will read it multiple files from a single session, and time align them appropriately?
If that's the case...very cool.
Is there an easy way to then export from Reaper?
Appreciate your help here.

Yes, and Yes....

Reaper allows you to make presets for your export functions with a wide range of options.  In Reaper-Speak you are using the "Render" function.  You can render each track to it's own file with a wide variety of file conversion and naming conventions.  You can also render an automated mix at the same time as well as rendering group mixes of various combinations of tracks using various combinations of automation.  The possibilities are kinda endless...
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Jay Marr on January 22, 2018, 01:09:06 pm
Yes, and Yes....

Reaper allows you to make presets for your export functions with a wide range of options.  In Reaper-Speak you are using the "Render" function.  You can render each track to it's own file with a wide variety of file conversion and naming conventions.  You can also render an automated mix at the same time as well as rendering group mixes of various combinations of tracks using various combinations of automation.  The possibilities are kinda endless...

It can read in multiple 4 gig files (from a single session), explode them into individual tracks, time align the multiple files from a single session, and I can store a template to export (render) into individual (now full length) WAV files....now you're talking!

I will check it out when I get home tonight.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: brian maddox on January 22, 2018, 01:14:11 pm
It can read in multiple 4 gig files (from a single session), explode them into individual tracks, time align the multiple files from a single session, and I can store a template to export (render) into individual (now full length) WAV files....now you're talking!

I will check it out when I get home tonight.  Thank you.

yup.

The good news is you can do almost anything with Reaper.  The bad news is you can do almost anything with Reaper.  :)

It can be a bit daunting at first because of all the options.  But there are GREAT tutorials on YouTube, which is how i grokked it all.

Good Luck!
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Corey Scogin on January 22, 2018, 11:19:12 pm
SanDisk Ultra 64GB Class 10 SDXC UHS-1
When I try to delete a session, I get that same "System Error 6" message....but it then does delete the file.

Mine does not delete the file after the "System Error 6" message.
I also tried the "Delete Session" option. Of two sessions, it says it cannot find one and doesn't say anything when trying to delete the 2nd. Neither results in a deleted session.

I'm pointing out this issue not because I'm concerned about it or think it's a fault. It's clearly documented that SDHC is the supported format. I plan on using only supported 32GB SDHC cards typically. I'm just trying to suss out all compatibility options in case I need to use an SDXC at some point.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Jay Marr on January 22, 2018, 11:39:11 pm
Mine does not delete the file after the "System Error 6" message.
I also tried the "Delete Session" option. Of two sessions, it says it cannot find one and doesn't say anything when trying to delete the 2nd. Neither results in a deleted session.

I'm pointing out this issue not because I'm concerned about it or think it's a fault. It's clearly documented that SDHC is the supported format. I plan on using only supported 32GB SDHC cards typically. I'm just trying to suss out all compatibility options in case I need to use an SDXC at some point.

I get the same messages...but then a couple seconds later, the file disappears.
I then delete a second session...same messages, then file disappears in a couple seconds.
And so on...
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on January 23, 2018, 02:58:48 pm
Incidentally, mine was purchased from the "Candy-sending online retailer" and received yesterday.
I'll post the results on the dummy long term 256GB recording test.

After that, I'll post the results of 6 hours of real audio recording for my Jan 26th gig.

If you don't mind me asking when did you order yours?  I preordered mine November 20th and haven't seen it yet. Today is my birthday and I had hoped it would show up!

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Corey Scogin on January 23, 2018, 03:22:45 pm
If you don't mind me asking when did you order yours?  I preordered mine November 20th and haven't seen it yet. Today is my birthday and I had hoped it would show up!

I know you weren't asking me directly, but I ordered mine on 11/3 from candyland and received it on 1/16.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on January 23, 2018, 04:00:35 pm
I know you weren't asking me directly, but I ordered mine on 11/3 from candyland and received it on 1/16.

Thanks for the reply. Hopefully mines only 17 days away! Its odd because I've seen in other groups people who have ordered theirs just this month and have them now. Maybe the size of the order has something to do with it.
Regardless thanks again.

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Corey Scogin on January 23, 2018, 05:06:57 pm
Thanks for the reply. Hopefully mines only 17 days away! Its odd because I've seen in other groups people who have ordered theirs just this month and have them now. Maybe the size of the order has something to do with it.

Sweetwater still shows out of stock which may mean you'll be in on the next order.
This ad on Reverb (https://reverb.com/item/6963597-behringer-x-live-32-track-live-recorder-playback-card-for-x32) indicates they have them on hand.
I wonder if there are any dealers here on the PSW forums that have any stock?
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on January 23, 2018, 06:28:11 pm
Sweetwater still shows out of stock which may mean you'll be in on the next order.
This ad on Reverb (https://reverb.com/item/6963597-behringer-x-live-32-track-live-recorder-playback-card-for-x32) indicates they have them on hand.
I wonder if there are any dealers here on the PSW forums that have any stock?

I ordered from a PSW dealer. I try to when ever possible. He's heard no news at all from them.  Could be they are supplying to larger dealers first.  Some kind of notice/date from behringer would be nice. They've had my money roughly 2 months now.  ( if it works that way ). 

Thanks;
    Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Will "GLiDE" Mims on January 23, 2018, 11:08:44 pm
If you don't mind me asking when did you order yours?  I preordered mine November 20th and haven't seen it yet. Today is my birthday and I had hoped it would show up!

Douglas R. Allen

Ordered from the Candy company Nov 20, 2017.
Received Jan 18, 2018...
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Terry Martin on January 24, 2018, 10:26:21 am
Iím still waiting for mine. 


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Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Andrew Broughton on January 24, 2018, 10:51:50 pm
Formatting a sdxc into something other than exFAT is a breach of the sdcard association licensing program that the x-live is using, so as soon as a sdxc is detected the format option had to be removed to comply.
Citation?



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Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Will "GLiDE" Mims on January 28, 2018, 01:44:37 am
Need someone to write a utility (Windows GUI) that combines all the 4GB multi track files into one big multi track file.  Then split that one into the individual full length track .wav files.

Cymatic has a utility for their card...

I am getting my butt kicked by Reaper trying to do this.  I normally use Studio One 3 and it doesn't even have a utility to split the files into individual tracks.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: John Chiara on January 28, 2018, 12:32:49 pm
Need someone to write a utility (Windows GUI) that combines all the 4GB multi track files into one big multi track file.  Then split that one into the individual full length track .wav files.

Cymatic has a utility for their card...

I am getting my butt kicked by Reaper trying to do this.  I normally use Studio One 3 and it doesn't even have a utility to split the files into individual tracks.
How can I get the Cymatic utility?
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Jay Marr on January 28, 2018, 02:25:30 pm
Need someone to write a utility (Windows GUI) that combines all the 4GB multi track files into one big multi track file.  Then split that one into the individual full length track .wav files.

Cymatic has a utility for their card...

I am getting my butt kicked by Reaper trying to do this.  I normally use Studio One 3 and it doesn't even have a utility to split the files into individual tracks.

I'm 100% with you, a utility is greatly needed.

BUT....you can do this with Studio One.
I just downloaded the Studio One demo this weekend (since Gibson closed Cakewalk...grrrr).
If you open the File Viewer in Studio One, and navigate to the folder your multichannel WAV file is in, you can right click over it and select 'split into mono files', or something like that.  I did it and it worked fine.  Then I drag/dropped the files right into the Tracks in Studio One....worked.

One thing that did happen though, which is SUPER odd.  Is after bring the 'chunks' of a single session, and sliding them together (so I have one big complete project now), I did some moving/cropping of the wav files...and all of a sudden the Waveform that you were viewing in Studio One, did not match the audio that you were hearing.  I'm not talking latency, I'm talking WAY different.
Like for a song that I didn't play guitar in, it looked like there was full tracked audio on my guitar track....but when you listened, the track was silent (which is should have been since I didn't play guitar).   And it wasn't 'background noise' on the track, because my guitar is direct.
Every track looked completely messed up. 
I had one of my band mates as the Presonus team because he's at NAMM right now, and they said they've never heard of that happening.  I still have the project saved and every time I open it up, same result.  What you hear does not match what you see.

Other than that, I'm loving Studio One.  I'm trying to decide between that and Reaper.  Both can split multichannel WAVs, so they're my top contenders.


Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Robert Lofgren on January 28, 2018, 05:21:49 pm
I donít have a copy of the licensing terms but you can find the essential info at the sdcard organization web page. I got my intel directly from the developers as they initially wanted to support sdxc using fat32 formatting, but found out that only exFAT was allowed. This is also the reason as to why the presonus series3 mixers only supports up to sdhc as well.

For some reason the exFAT licensing is quite expensive and it is a shame that the sdxc standard wonít allow you to do fat32 since it is capable of up to 2TB or so...

https://www.sdcard.org/developers/overview/capacity/index.html

Look at the Ēsdxc standardĒ.

Citation?



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Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Robert Lofgren on January 28, 2018, 05:25:49 pm
Where does reaper fail? Iíve had great success using reaper for converting the files created by the x-live.

The session file format is published by behringer and Iíve heard of a couple of people already started developing utilities.

Need someone to write a utility (Windows GUI) that combines all the 4GB multi track files into one big multi track file.  Then split that one into the individual full length track .wav files.

Cymatic has a utility for their card...

I am getting my butt kicked by Reaper trying to do this.  I normally use Studio One 3 and it doesn't even have a utility to split the files into individual tracks.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Robert Lofgren on January 28, 2018, 05:40:39 pm
Btw, here is a great tool you can use as well

https://www.sounddevices.com/products/accessories/software/wave-agent
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Jay Marr on January 28, 2018, 07:53:12 pm
Where does reaper fail? Iíve had great success using reaper for converting the files created by the x-live.

The session file format is published by behringer and Iíve heard of a couple of people already started developing utilities.

Nothing wrong with Reaper at all.  In fact I'm shocked at how great of a DAW it is for the price!
But it's just a handful more steps than I'm guessing most of us are used to, when working on a gig/session we just tracked.
And having to buy a new product to use the XLive is kind of a bummer.
I liked the Wave Agent that's been suggested as well (and that's free).  But still more steps than I've ever needed, just to get started working on a mix.

Just an adjustment that we all need to get used to.

What's being suggested (and I agree), is if you could just open a small utility, select your session(s)....walk away, and come back with all the properly rendered stem tracks.  It would be nice to have.

Thanks for pointing us to all these resources Robert, it's all been super helpful with getting the Xlive 'process' up and running.
I just mixed down my first Xlive recording (in Studio One, which I'm also new to), and it's sounding outstanding!!
I'm still on the fence between buying Studio One and Reaper (although Reaper is cheap enough just to have in case I need it).
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Corey Scogin on January 28, 2018, 10:11:47 pm
Nothing wrong with Reaper at all.  In fact I'm shocked at how great of a DAW it is for the price!
But it's just a handful more steps than I'm guessing most of us are used to, when working on a gig/session we just tracked.

One of the great things about Reaper is that you can build custom actions that chain together other actions.

If I find some time, I'll see if I can create and share one that splits the multi-channel wav then exports stems immediately in full-length wavs.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Jay Marr on January 29, 2018, 09:29:51 am
One of the great things about Reaper is that you can build custom actions that chain together other actions.

If I find some time, I'll see if I can create and share one that splits the multi-channel wav then exports stems immediately in full-length wavs.

Just curious, do you use Reaper as your normal DAW?
It almost seems too good to be true, for the price.  There have to be some limitations?
I downloaded the demo version.  It was a tiny file, installed in seconds, and the program launches faster than any other DAW I've worked on.
I'm trying to find the negatives.....because something can't be this inexpensive and be so good.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Corey Scogin on January 29, 2018, 10:44:15 am
Just curious, do you use Reaper as your normal DAW?
It almost seems too good to be true, for the price.  There have to be some limitations?
I downloaded the demo version.  It was a tiny file, installed in seconds, and the program launches faster than any other DAW I've worked on.
I'm trying to find the negatives.....because something can't be this inexpensive and be so good.

Yes. I do. I moved from Cakewalk 5 years or more ago. I was never interested in ProTools because of the lack of offline rendering (which was added a few years back).

The only negative I can think of is the slightly steep initial learning curve. It's not a tall learning curve though. It's helpful to add buttons for functions you do often. The menus and toolbars are customizable.

Reaper is one of the few products that I absolutely love and recommend without hesitation. Their pricing and capabilities are crazy good. I'll be up for renewal at the next version and I may just pay the higher commercial price even though I'm not required to according to their licensing. I want to help make sure they continue making the product.

Here are a couple of tips for using Reaper:
1. Download and install the SWS extensions (http://www.sws-extension.org/). These add a lot of convenient functionality and are likely used by the majority of Reaper users.
2. If there is something you want to do but don't know the command, hit "?" on the keyboard and it will bring up a searchable library of commands you can then map to shortcut keys or add to a toolbar.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Jay Marr on January 29, 2018, 11:25:34 am
Yes. I do. I moved from Cakewalk 5 years or more ago. I was never interested in ProTools because of the lack of offline rendering (which was added a few years back).

The only negative I can think of is the slightly steep initial learning curve. It's not a tall learning curve though. It's helpful to add buttons for functions you do often. The menus and toolbars are customizable.

Reaper is one of the few products that I absolutely love and recommend without hesitation. Their pricing and capabilities are crazy good. I'll be up for renewal at the next version and I may just pay the higher commercial price even though I'm not required to according to their licensing. I want to help make sure they continue making the product.

Here are a couple of tips for using Reaper:
1. Download and install the SWS extensions (http://www.sws-extension.org/). These add a lot of convenient functionality and are likely used by the majority of Reaper users.
2. If there is something you want to do but don't know the command, hit "?" on the keyboard and it will bring up a searchable library of commands you can then map to shortcut keys or add to a toolbar.

You're killing me!
Here I was thinking I was converting from Sonar to Studio One....but now I'm going to have to give Reaper a good week trial.

Thanks for your insight Corey.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: brian maddox on January 29, 2018, 11:29:55 am
Just curious, do you use Reaper as your normal DAW?
It almost seems too good to be true, for the price.  There have to be some limitations?
I downloaded the demo version.  It was a tiny file, installed in seconds, and the program launches faster than any other DAW I've worked on.
I'm trying to find the negatives.....because something can't be this inexpensive and be so good.

Everything Corey said is true.  It really is that good.  I've been using it for about 8 years now and i continue to be a huge fan.

I think my favorite thing about Reaper is what you alluded to already.  It is a VERY efficient, lightweight program.  As such, it is nothing short of amazing what you can do using it on older, otherwise obsolete machines.  When i was working for a church a few years ago i used it to track 48 tracks from a pair of X32s we were using for FOH.  I bought a surplus PowerMac G5 off Fleabay for like 50 bucks, installed Reaper, and that record machine worked like a champ.  I mixed with something a little more [okay, a LOT more] powerful, but the fact that i could build a 48-track recorder for a little over a hundred bucks that worked flawlessly was truly amazing.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Robert Lofgren on January 29, 2018, 11:48:39 am
Studio One is a great product. It is simple to use and intuitive while still being highly advanced.

Reaper is a great product and can do everything, including brewing coffee. This is also where my troubles starts since there is just too much for me and my ocd ;-) I've bought a license though since I use it on occasion and I can use it on my old mac G4  8)

However, my main daws are cubase and studio one and I use those 90% of the time. I used to use ableton live a lot but it has been a while since I fired her up. Since I am a mac convert I've invested in Logic for the sake of it...

You're killing me!
Here I was thinking I was converting from Sonar to Studio One....but now I'm going to have to give Reaper a good week trial.

Thanks for your insight Corey.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Jay Marr on January 29, 2018, 12:55:05 pm
Thanks all for the insight.
This is feeling more like I'm going to end up owning two DAWs.

I spent about 20+ hours on Studio One this past week and I'm really enjoying it.  Two things I wish it had that Sonar has:
1) ability to click anywhere on the track screen and have the curser go there (I know you can accomplish the same by hitting cntrl-space bar)
2) a view of the 'effects bin' when in track mode.  Sonar allows all effects viewable (for all tracks), when you're in track mode.  It's a cool little feature.

Those two things aside, there are some features that blow Sonar out of the water, so I'll have no problem making the leap to Studio One.

I am going to spend some time with Reaper this week and see how things turn out.  Reaper is so cheap, it's hard to just not buy it. 
BUT... I need to really commit to one or the other because I have 3 other guys that are going to also buy the software.  (all of my band members take tracks home to mix or record).  I have the task of picking the software, and then teaching them all how to use it.

We have been a Sonar camp for over 15 years, but always had the issue of no Mac compatibility (two of the guys like Macs).
So Cakewalk closing up shop was a good kick in the butt to go find something that is PC and Mac compatible.

Again, appreciate all the insight.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: brian maddox on January 29, 2018, 01:32:41 pm
Thanks all for the insight.
This is feeling more like I'm going to end up owning two DAWs.

I spent about 20+ hours on Studio One this past week and I'm really enjoying it.  Two things I wish it had that Sonar has:
1) ability to click anywhere on the track screen and have the curser go there (I know you can accomplish the same by hitting cntrl-space bar)
2) a view of the 'effects bin' when in track mode.  Sonar allows all effects viewable (for all tracks), when you're in track mode.  It's a cool little feature.

Those two things aside, there are some features that blow Sonar out of the water, so I'll have no problem making the leap to Studio One.

I am going to spend some time with Reaper this week and see how things turn out.  Reaper is so cheap, it's hard to just not buy it. 
BUT... I need to really commit to one or the other because I have 3 other guys that are going to also buy the software.  (all of my band members take tracks home to mix or record).  I have the task of picking the software, and then teaching them all how to use it.

We have been a Sonar camp for over 15 years, but always had the issue of no Mac compatibility (two of the guys like Macs).
So Cakewalk closing up shop was a good kick in the butt to go find something that is PC and Mac compatible.

Again, appreciate all the insight.

With this i will stop swerving this topic and trying to sell you on Reaper...  :)

One of the things i like most about Reaper is it's ability to completely customize the entire menu and control interface.  Reaper does about 500 things that i will NEVER do, so one of the first things i did was remove all those things from the Menus so i didn't have to sort through a bunch of stuff i'll never use.  I also rewrote the mouse control modifiers to ONLY do things i actual do and not anything else so i wouldn't have any unexpected behaviors just because i hit the wrong modifier key.

What this could mean for you application is that you could make a custom set of menus and interface for you and your band members to use to greatly simplify your workflow and make the transition to a new DAW a little less painful.

Okay, end of sales speech.  I swear i don't get anything in return.  i just really like the software.  :)
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Jay Marr on January 29, 2018, 02:54:58 pm
With this i will stop swerving this topic and trying to sell you on Reaper...  :)

One of the things i like most about Reaper is it's ability to completely customize the entire menu and control interface.  Reaper does about 500 things that i will NEVER do, so one of the first things i did was remove all those things from the Menus so i didn't have to sort through a bunch of stuff i'll never use.  I also rewrote the mouse control modifiers to ONLY do things i actual do and not anything else so i wouldn't have any unexpected behaviors just because i hit the wrong modifier key.

What this could mean for you application is that you could make a custom set of menus and interface for you and your band members to use to greatly simplify your workflow and make the transition to a new DAW a little less painful.

Okay, end of sales speech.  I swear i don't get anything in return.  i just really like the software.  :)

Thanks Brian.

I'll ask one final question.  What's the best training resource for Reaper?  Goggle/YouTube?
I've done some surfing on the Presonus forum to learn more about Studio One, but haven't crossed this bridge with Reaper yet.
I'm going to give it a serious test run this week though, so appreciate your suggestions.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: brian maddox on January 29, 2018, 03:29:00 pm
Thanks Brian.

I'll ask one final question.  What's the best training resource for Reaper?  Goggle/YouTube?
I've done some surfing on the Presonus forum to learn more about Studio One, but haven't crossed this bridge with Reaper yet.
I'm going to give it a serious test run this week though, so appreciate your suggestions.

I first started using it about 8-10 years ago and at the time the only real resource was YouTube and patient googling.  There may be much better resources now, but i haven't had to look in a while.  I've found that once i got my head around "Reaper Thinking" i was able to figure out just about anything new that i wanted to do by just poking at things.

The whole concept of 'rendering' output tracks was something it took me a good while to get my head around.  I was so mentally ingrained in a real time, linear workflow that understanding a different approach took some time.  But Old Dogs CAN learn new tricks.  Just takes us longer.

Seriously, i'd haunt YouTube and the Googles.  I think you'll be able to find what you need.  If you have any specific place you get stuck, feel free to PM me and i'll be happy to help if i can....
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Jay Marr on January 29, 2018, 09:52:14 pm
I first started using it about 8-10 years ago and at the time the only real resource was YouTube and patient googling.  There may be much better resources now, but i haven't had to look in a while.  I've found that once i got my head around "Reaper Thinking" i was able to figure out just about anything new that i wanted to do by just poking at things.

The whole concept of 'rendering' output tracks was something it took me a good while to get my head around.  I was so mentally ingrained in a real time, linear workflow that understanding a different approach took some time.  But Old Dogs CAN learn new tricks.  Just takes us longer.

Seriously, i'd haunt YouTube and the Googles.  I think you'll be able to find what you need.  If you have any specific place you get stuck, feel free to PM me and i'll be happy to help if i can....

Thanks Brian, I may send you a few questions.  I've been diving into Reaper and starting to understand the workflow logic of the software.  It's unique.  Like any channel is a bus.  Interesting concept.  Trying to figure out how you get the cool color schemes like on their Wiki picture.  Does that come with that other plug in you mentioned?

This is going to be a no brainer to buy it though.  Here's why:
Presonus gives a $200 discount if you are crossgrading from another DAW (and Reaper is on the list).
So buying Reaper for $60 saves me $200 on Studio One.
It's like they're paying me to buy it.....who could pass up that deal?
Title: Re: X-Live → SWERVE → Reaper!
Post by: Corey Scogin on January 29, 2018, 11:45:14 pm
Trying to figure out how you get the cool color schemes like on their Wiki picture.  Does that come with that other plug in you mentioned?

There are numerous themes (https://stash.reaper.fm/) available for Reaper and you can make your own, however, what you're probably seeing is just coloring rules. You can define rules for how tracks are colored based on their names.

Speaking of UI customization, if you really want to delve into it, you can make your own track templates that display only the things you want in the format you want. I once created a live tracking template that showed all 32 tracks in the mixer view as very large meters with no controls other than Arm For Recording. This made the live tracking computer a very visible meter bridge. I may still have that template.
Title: Re: X-Live → SWERVE → Reaper!
Post by: Jay Marr on January 30, 2018, 08:56:29 am
There are numerous themes (https://stash.reaper.fm/) available for Reaper and you can make your own, however, what you're probably seeing is just coloring rules. You can define rules for how tracks are colored based on their names.

Speaking of UI customization, if you really want to delve into it, you can make your own track templates that display only the things you want in the format you want. I once created a live tracking template that showed all 32 tracks in the mixer view as very large meters with no controls other than Arm For Recording. This made the live tracking computer a very visible meter bridge. I may still have that template.

Wow, 44 pages of Themes! 
I'm starting to get this now.  Reaper is definitely more configurable, but you have to be the type of user who likes that kind of app.
I'm trying to find a Theme that looks like Sonar to the transition easier for my band mates.
Going to purchase Reaper now and start really digging in!

I apologize for the topic swerve.  I have a bad habit of doing that!
If I have more questions, I'll start a thread in the proper place or PM folks.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Andrew Broughton on January 30, 2018, 11:56:54 am
I donít have a copy of the licensing terms but you can find the essential info at the sdcard organization web page. I got my intel directly from the developers as they initially wanted to support sdxc using fat32 formatting, but found out that only exFAT was allowed. This is also the reason as to why the presonus series3 mixers only supports up to sdhc as well.

For some reason the exFAT licensing is quite expensive and it is a shame that the sdxc standard wonít allow you to do fat32 since it is capable of up to 2TB or so...

https://www.sdcard.org/developers/overview/capacity/index.html

Look at the Ēsdxc standardĒ.

Read quite a bit there, and didn't find anything related to rules against formatting SDXC to FAT32. There is additional licensing costs for supporting exFAT as you said, but that would only be if you are using exFAT, which they are not.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Jay Marr on January 30, 2018, 12:16:09 pm
Read quite a bit there, and didn't find anything related to rules against formatting SDXC to FAT32. There is additional licensing costs for supporting exFAT as you said, but that would only be if you are using exFAT, which they are not.

I'm 'guessing' that from a legal perspective, if Behringer told people to just format their SDXC cards to FAT32, then it would be seen as Behringer avoiding paying licensing for exFAT support.

Behringer probably knows very well that the XLive can support larger cards if they're formatted to FAT32, but they can't be the ones to tell you that.  They need to tell you that it is officially not supported.

Otherwise it would be - "hey let me give you (consumer) a workaround so that we (Behringer) don't need to pay licensing fees.

Just my guess.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Robert Lofgren on January 30, 2018, 02:38:20 pm
The rule against it is in the licence agreement that a licensee must sign when joining the program.

"A license agreement to use the SD standards"
https://www.sdcard.org/join/pdf/SDA-License-Agreement.pdf

As can been seen in the attached picture there exist only three standards.



Read quite a bit there, and didn't find anything related to rules against formatting SDXC to FAT32. There is additional licensing costs for supporting exFAT as you said, but that would only be if you are using exFAT, which they are not.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Robert Lofgren on February 02, 2018, 01:30:38 pm
I did this quick(?) video showing how-to import xlive audio into some daws.

Enjoy!

https://youtu.be/hOaTGyo2xYg


It can read in multiple 4 gig files (from a single session), explode them into individual tracks, time align the multiple files from a single session, and I can store a template to export (render) into individual (now full length) WAV files....now you're talking!

I will check it out when I get home tonight.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Tim Tyler on February 02, 2018, 08:54:44 pm
I did this quick(?) video showing how-to import xlive audio into some daws.

Enjoy!

https://youtu.be/hOaTGyo2xYg

Excellent!  Thanks so much...

-Tim T
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Andrew Broughton on February 02, 2018, 09:18:41 pm
The rule against it is in the licence agreement that a licensee must sign when joining the program.

"A license agreement to use the SD standards"
https://www.sdcard.org/join/pdf/SDA-License-Agreement.pdf

As can been seen in the attached picture there exist only three standards.
The license could be nothing more than permission to use the SD card logo. I still haven't seen anything anywhere that clearly states that it's illegal or otherwise not permitted to format SDXC in FAT32 > 32gig.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Corey Scogin on February 02, 2018, 09:50:34 pm
I did this quick(?) video showing how-to import xlive audio into some daws.

Enjoy!

https://youtu.be/hOaTGyo2xYg

If you picked "Single Track" when importing into Reaper, you wouldn't have to drag/drop them to get them to line up.

After splitting, select all the new tracks and render stems gives you full-length files.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Robert Lofgren on February 03, 2018, 06:02:37 am
I had issues in some daw where the files were imported out of order or backwards so I opted for the safe approach.

Each daw had it own quirks when it came to multi-channel wave files :-(

If you picked "Single Track" when importing into Reaper, you wouldn't have to drag/drop them to get them to line up.

After splitting, select all the new tracks and render stems gives you full-length files.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Corey Scogin on February 21, 2018, 01:30:00 am
I did this quick(?) video showing how-to import xlive audio into some daws.
Enjoy!
https://youtu.be/hOaTGyo2xYg

For anyone interested in a faster way to explode X-Live wav files in Reaper (https://reaper.fm), I created a custom script. You can download it here (https://github.com/CoreyScogin/ReaScripts/raw/master/Items%20Editing/CoreyScogin_Explode%20multi-channel%20items%20to%20mono%20without%20rendering.lua). (save the link target to a file)

To install it: Download it. In Reaper type "?" to bring up the actions list. Next to ReaScript, click Load. Select the downloaded script.

To use it: Select a multi-channel item in Reaper and run the script. It will explode the item immediately without rendering. You can then select the tracks you need as mono files and render stems as usual in Reaper. This script will work for multiple files/items.

Edit: updated for direct link to file.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Will "GLiDE" Mims on February 25, 2018, 01:35:43 pm
For anyone interested in a faster way to explode X-Live wav files in Reaper (https://reaper.fm), I created a custom script. You can download it on Github here. (https://github.com/CoreyScogin/ReaScripts)

The script is in the Items Editing subfolder. It's named "CoreyScogin_Explode multi-channel items to mono without rendering.lua". It's the only script there for now.

To install it: Download it. In Reaper type "?" to bring up the actions list. Next to ReaScript, click Load. Select the downloaded script.

To use it: Select a multi-channel item in Reaper and run the script. It will explode the item immediately without rendering. You can then select the tracks you need as mono files and render stems as usual in Reaper. This script will work for multiple files/items.

Call me stupid, but I put all of the .wav files into one track, selected them all in that track and ran the script.  This is what I got in a window:

"  ...xplode multi-channel items to mono without rendering.lua:7: unexpected symbol near '<'    "
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Corey Scogin on February 25, 2018, 02:19:02 pm
Call me stupid, but I put all of the .wav files into one track, selected them all in that track and ran the script.  This is what I got in a window:

"  ...xplode multi-channel items to mono without rendering.lua:7: unexpected symbol near '<'    "

That had me confused for a minute. I didn't realize that GitHub doesn't really let you download individual files correctly. It saves a file with the right extension but the file is actually an html file, not the source file.

Download the whole repository as a zip using the Clone or Download link, unzip it, then find the file you need.

I changed the README to reflect the more precise instructions. Apologies for the confusion.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Scott Holtzman on February 25, 2018, 03:07:37 pm
That had me confused for a minute. I didn't realize that GitHub doesn't really let you download individual files correctly. It saves a file with the right extension but the file is actually an html file, not the source file.

Download the whole repository as a zip using the Clone or Download link, unzip it, then find the file you need.

I changed the README to reflect the more precise instructions. Apologies for the confusion.

Corey I don't thing you are "getting" git.  You need to download git tools for whatever platform you are using.  Linux has the best tools.  You then "checkout" your project and can fork it (branch revisions) or simply have a local sync'd clone. 

Github has a nice desktop utility https://desktop.github.com/

Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Corey Scogin on February 25, 2018, 09:05:21 pm
Corey I don't thing you are "getting" git.  You need to download git tools for whatever platform you are using.  Linux has the best tools.  You then "checkout" your project and can fork it (branch revisions) or simply have a local sync'd clone. 

Github has a nice desktop utility https://desktop.github.com/

Scott, I know how to use Git. I included instructions for those just needing access to the script file. If someone just needs a single script file from a larger repo (granted, the one I linked is just 1 file) they don't need to install the Git tools, they just need to download the file. Github doesn't let you download single files via a web browser so downloading the repo as a zip is the best option.

I didn't realize that on GitHub, if you right/ctrl click on a file and download it, it saves it as the full file name with the extension but the file contents are html. This makes no sense from an expected functionality perspective.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Wes Garland on February 25, 2018, 11:49:01 pm
You can download a single file from a github repo - you just need to use the raw file option, like this:
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/wesgarland/gpsee/master/modules/gffi/WillFinalize.c

instead of this:
https://github.com/wesgarland/gpsee/blob/master/modules/gffi/WillFinalize.c
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Corey Scogin on February 26, 2018, 12:06:32 am
You can download a single file from a github repo - you just need to use the raw file option, like this:
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/wesgarland/gpsee/master/modules/gffi/WillFinalize.c

instead of this:
https://github.com/wesgarland/gpsee/blob/master/modules/gffi/WillFinalize.c

I'm not new to Git but I haven't used GitHub much. Thanks for the tip. I'll update my link above to reflect this.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Scott Holtzman on March 04, 2018, 02:41:39 am
I'm not new to Git but I haven't used GitHub much. Thanks for the tip. I'll update my link above to reflect this.
I don't use GitHub either.  We are using Atlassian Bit bucket, it's Uber cool and git compliant

Feel free to look at our public repo git.freepbx.org



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Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Terry Martin on March 09, 2018, 01:26:06 pm
WTF!?!?

Good Morning Terry,
Please be advised everything except the X-Live is in stock and ready for pick up.
The X-live is on back order with an eta of 05/02/2018 as per our most receint information from the po.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Terry Martin on April 05, 2018, 10:27:22 am
WTF!?!?

Good Morning Terry,
Please be advised everything except the X-Live is in stock and ready for pick up.
The X-live is on back order with an eta of 05/02/2018 as per our most receint information from the po.

Do you Behringer dealers know if this is true?   This is starting to get ridiculous. 


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Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Mike Pyle on April 05, 2018, 10:50:07 am
Do you Behringer dealers know if this is true?   This is starting to get ridiculous. 


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Some I ordered in November just shipped to customers. I still have backorders from January. Behringer shows a few X-Live coming next week, then a bigger shipment mid May. I expect the ones arriving next week are already allocated.
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Terry Martin on April 05, 2018, 10:53:20 am
Some I ordered in November just shipped to customers. I still have backorders from January. Behringer shows a few X-Live coming next week, then a bigger shipment mid May. I expect the ones arriving next week are already allocated.
Thanks Mike.  I placed order mid-Dec with NSL. 


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Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Aaron Maurer on April 05, 2018, 09:12:01 pm
Just received mine today and was ordered Nov. 1. Thanks Mike Pyle! 
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Mike Pyle on April 05, 2018, 10:26:14 pm
Just received mine today and was ordered Nov. 1. Thanks Mike Pyle!

Welcome to the Express Lane!  :)
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on April 06, 2018, 05:20:29 am
Some I ordered in November just shipped to customers. I still have backorders from January. Behringer shows a few X-Live coming next week, then a bigger shipment mid May. I expect the ones arriving next week are already allocated.

Mine is slated for delivery today. Ordered Nov 20th.
Thanks Mike!

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Terry Martin on April 06, 2018, 12:45:22 pm
Welcome to the Express Lane!  :)

SMH - ....should have ordered from Mike. 


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Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on April 06, 2018, 09:02:54 pm
Mine came today. Desk is on 3.08. Did the X-Live A11 update and the X-LIVE USB driver update to my laptop. Set the record/playback routing and the card works great!  Rather simple to get up and running. Sounds great for the quick test I did.  Looking forward to my next band.

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Richard Turner on April 28, 2018, 09:52:28 pm
So, Real world applications?

Is the thing worth it for virtual soundcheck? have the band do their thing then be able to get back on it before doors and retweek initial FOH mix without annoying the band for extra time?

Does it seem like a potential add on clients did not know they were wanting/can now offer at a friendly price so far as offering a raw dump of a performance? School church corporate?  I could see it being useful for multi tracking corporate meetings with simultaneous translation on an alternate track.

Would the young guns at the pay to play space pony up for a live recording of their show to youtube or podcast?
Title: Re: Behringer x-live recording card
Post by: Terry Martin on April 30, 2018, 10:45:34 am
Iím planning to use it for live recordings to pair up with video. 

...if it ever shows up. 


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