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Title: SRX835P and Driverack Venue360 level struggles
Post by: Scott Gentry on August 04, 2017, 12:40:36 am
Newbie "ish looking for help. Been running a small system for occasional group of friends that come over and jam. System has Allen and Heath mix wizard 4, was running from mixer to powered mains, 2-Yamaha DXR12's, and 2- JBL PRX718XLF's. Wasn't a bad setup, but decided to upgrade the mains to a set of SRX835's, with later plans for two SRX828's. plugged in the 835's from the mixer and was expecting to be impressed, I wasn't. I've heard good things from most reviews on that model, but to me the speakers are very "undynamic" straight out of the box. I haven't used the audio architect or SRX connect to try and alter the stock settings, but to me they sound choked down. I have to run the mixer outputs up at least 10 db higher on the master faders to get the same level of output I was getting with the dxr's. I added a driverack venue 360 in attempts to inprove things, and I did notice an improvement in eq, but the output is now even lower. Perhaps I'm just ignorant, but I expected the SRX835 to be a significant improvement from the DXR and I'm not hearing it so far. I'm going to assume this is from my lack of expertise, and not the product, but my perceptions to this point are that the jbl wizardry seems to be a bit intrusive. I guess my question is... anything that I should try?
Title: SRX835P and Driverack Venue360 level struggles
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Title: Re: SRX835P and Driverack Venue360 level struggles
Post by: Scott Holtzman on August 04, 2017, 02:41:21 am
Newbie "ish looking for help. Been running a small system for occasional group of friends that come over and jam. System has Allen and Heath mix wizard 4, was running from mixer to powered mains, 2-Yamaha DXR12's, and 2- JBL PRX718XLF's. Wasn't a bad setup, but decided to upgrade the mains to a set of SRX835's, with later plans for two SRX828's. plugged in the 835's from the mixer and was expecting to be impressed, I wasn't. I've heard good things from most reviews on that model, but to me the speakers are very "undynamic" straight out of the box. I haven't used the audio architect or SRX connect to try and alter the stock settings, but to me they sound choked down. I have to run the mixer outputs up at least 10 db higher on the master faders to get the same level of output I was getting with the dxr's. I added a driverack venue 360 in attempts to inprove things, and I did notice an improvement in eq, but the output is now even lower. Perhaps I'm just ignorant, but I expected the SRX835 to be a significant improvement from the DXR and I'm not hearing it so far. I'm going to assume this is from my lack of expertise, and not the product, but my perceptions to this point are that the jbl wizardry seems to be a bit intrusive. I guess my question is... anything that I should try?

Please change your display name to your real name, this was noted on the sign in page.  Take the drive rack back, the speakers have v5 processing built in so it is unneeded.  Once you update your name we can help.
Title: Re: SRX835P and Driverack Venue360 level struggles
Post by: Scott Gentry on August 04, 2017, 03:07:01 am
Please change your display name to your real name, this was noted on the sign in page.  Take the drive rack back, the speakers have v5 processing built in so it is unneeded.  Once you update your name we can help.
Name changed, my apologies. I don't think the driverack will be easily returned, place I bought it from is more of a distributor, and price accordingly, but don't really do "I changed my mind " returns, only defects. That being said I'm sure it has some advantages for me, although redundant from what I understand in audio architect, some of the wizard setups can be a plus for me, I think. Ive contacted both JBL and DBX and didn't get great answers, just referenced me to the help guide for both.i also purchased the rta mic to help get things at least started in hopefully the right direction.
Title: Re: SRX835P and Driverack Venue360 level struggles
Post by: Scott Holtzman on August 04, 2017, 03:13:32 am
Name changed, my apologies. I don't think the driverack will be easily returned, place I bought it from is more of a distributor, and price accordingly, but don't really do "I changed my mind " returns, only defects. That being said I'm sure it has some advantages for me, although redundant from what I understand in audio architect, some of the wizard setups can be a plus for me, I think. Ive contacted both JBL and DBX and didn't get great answers, just referenced me to the help guide for both.i also purchased the rta mic to help get things at least started in hopefully the right direction.

Thanks for updating your info.  The Drive Rack has no advantage for you it is vastly inferior to the onboard processing and will only exacerbate your gain staging issues. 

You need to run the software, get the gains set correctly and take a look at the processing built into the speaker.

My guess is you are way underdriving the speaker and have tried to make it up on the back end with gain bringing the whole noise floor up with it and killing your dynamic range. 

Title: Re: SRX835P and Driverack Venue360 level struggles
Post by: Scott Gentry on August 04, 2017, 03:42:33 am
Thanks for updating your info.  The Drive Rack has no advantage for you it is vastly inferior to the onboard processing and will only exacerbate your gain staging issues. 

You need to run the software, get the gains set correctly and take a look at the processing built into the speaker.

My guess is you are way underdriving the speaker and have tried to make it up on the back end with gain bringing the whole noise floor up with it and killing your dynamic range.
Ok, makes sense to me. Jbl felt the driverack would help to optimize things so I made the purchase. Today dbx suggested removing all dsp from the mains and reconfiguring everything through the driverack. It's a Venue 360 and I do like some of the configuration options, but must admit the leveling issue has gotten worse, not better, although that's just a first pass with it if you will.
Typically I would run the gain on mixer input channels to just where it starts to clip, and then back off slightly. I do keep a watchful eye on the board and feel confident Im not clipping there. In the past I'd just set the powered speakers to unity, and use the master faders to adjust output. I also have a dedicated mono fader which is a sum of the left and right outputs to feed the subs. I've never pushed the mixer above zero db on the master faders and had plenty of output. Recently, since running a bass directly to the mixer, with a sans amp, I did start to find the limitations to the previous setup, hence the new purchase. When I unplugged the dxr's and plugged in the SRX's, there was an immediate drop in mains output.
I've read a previous thread on this forum about adjusting the makeup gain in the SRX connect app, but I didn't fully comprehend everything in that step. I can say that the SRX input sensitivity is set to line, which I feel is correct. There is a consumer setting, which adds I think 12db, and then mic, which I'm sure wouldn't be used.
In summary, I think my mixer is set right, so where in the SRX settings should I be checking / adjusting?
Title: Re: SRX835P and Driverack Venue360 level struggles
Post by: Stelios Mac on August 04, 2017, 07:27:36 am
First of all I'll agree with everyone else and recommend you go without the Driverack and let the speakers handle all DSP functionality. Unless you really need it for reasons other than gain adjustment...
The manual for the SRX boxes lists the maximum input level as:
20dBu for Line
8 dBu for Consumer
-4dBu for Mic.
Also the manual for your mix wiz states it'll output +4dBu when the VUs are reading 0.
Based on that, what I would do is set the speakers to Consumer mode and keep in mind I'm very close to my ceiling when hitting +3 on the board.
Also, don't hesitate to use one of the available apps to monitor how your system is performing while mixing. It'll help you understand where your problem lies and correct your gain staging.
Title: Re: SRX835P and Driverack Venue360 level struggles
Post by: Dave Pluke on August 04, 2017, 08:35:25 am
Jbl felt the driverack would help to optimize things so I made the purchase.

Whoever "Jbl" might be in this instance, I guess they could sell ice to an Eskimo...

Quote from: Scott Gentry link
Today dbx suggested removing all dsp from the mains and reconfiguring everything through the driverack.

TOTALLY wrong advice, IMHO.  Don't get me wrong - I have, and like the VENU360, but it is redundant in this situation.  The internal DSP on the 835's is all you need and is what you should be focusing on.  Get those dialed in properly and the only thing you'd need is a simple crossover to your (current) subs.  Once you get the SRX828's, even that will be unnecessary.

Dave
Title: Re: SRX835P and Driverack Venue360 level struggles
Post by: Thomas Le on August 04, 2017, 08:50:53 am
Any distributor should allow returns, contact them again to try to return the VENU360. That's bad business on their part.
Title: Re: SRX835P and Driverack Venue360 level struggles
Post by: TJ (Tom) Cornish on August 04, 2017, 08:58:29 am
Newbie "ish looking for help. Been running a small system for occasional group of friends that come over and jam. System has Allen and Heath mix wizard 4, was running from mixer to powered mains, 2-Yamaha DXR12's, and 2- JBL PRX718XLF's. Wasn't a bad setup, but decided to upgrade the mains to a set of SRX835's, with later plans for two SRX828's. plugged in the 835's from the mixer and was expecting to be impressed, I wasn't. I've heard good things from most reviews on that model, but to me the speakers are very "undynamic" straight out of the box. I haven't used the audio architect or SRX connect to try and alter the stock settings, but to me they sound choked down. I have to run the mixer outputs up at least 10 db higher on the master faders to get the same level of output I was getting with the dxr's. I added a driverack venue 360 in attempts to inprove things, and I did notice an improvement in eq, but the output is now even lower. Perhaps I'm just ignorant, but I expected the SRX835 to be a significant improvement from the DXR and I'm not hearing it so far. I'm going to assume this is from my lack of expertise, and not the product, but my perceptions to this point are that the jbl wizardry seems to be a bit intrusive. I guess my question is... anything that I should try?
Hi Scott - welcome to the forum.

We need to divide this discussion into two pieces - your level issues with the SRX boxes, and whether the Venue360 is beneficial.  We also need to separate the concept of input sensitivity from speaker capability.

Starting with the last first - for whatever reason, JBL made the (IMO) dubious decision to design the SRX boxes with a 26dB gain, rather than 32dB that is more common for devices of this type.  What this means is you need to drive the SRX boxes with a louder signal to get equivalent output compared to a speaker like the Yamaha DXR12.  This has nothing to do with the acoustical output ability of the speakers; it simply means you need to turn the send level to the SRX boxes up compared to other products.

There are several ways to turn up the level on the SRX boxes - you can move to "consumer" mode as Stelios suggested which adds about 10dB of gain, or you can simply turn both the input channel gain up and the master volume up.  I forget which, but one of them goes to +6.0dB, which should make up most of the level discrepancy.  Or you can do it by adding gain in your Driverack.

The final question is whether the Venu360 adds anything for you.  I will dissent from the other posters and say yes it does.  It isn't required for your SRX boxes as they have internal DSP, however your current subs do not have user-adjustable processing in them, so using the Driverack gives you processing for your subs and a convenient single place to adjust your mains as well.

Note that in the case of your subs and especially your SRX boxes, they already have some internal processing, and the SRX boxes have very substantial processing. In the case of your SRX boxes, only some of the processing is accessible to you; the rest of it is a black box that provides driver protection and very advanced tuning to make the box sound good with no other effort.  You can zero out any DSP changes you've made in the SRX boxes, but you can't "remove" all of the processing that the manufacturer put there, and you certainly wouldn't want to if you could.

As to how to fix your issues - you need to dig in to gain structure.  I can assure you the SRX boxes have SIGNIFICANTLY more output capability than the Yamaha DXR series; you need to figure out where your lack of gain is.  Start with adjusting the SRX boxes to +6.0dB input gain.  From there if you want more, you can go to the output channels of the Driverack and add gain there.

The second stage of this is to do some alignment between your subs and mains - something that the Driverack will help you with.  You can read up on how to do a basic nulling alignment by ear, or you can have someone help you use a measurement system to get this setup.

If you post your location, there may be someone nearby who would be willing to stop over and help you get all of this running.
Title: Re: SRX835P and Driverack Venue360 level struggles
Post by: Josh Rawls on August 04, 2017, 10:39:03 am
I have a full JBL SRX800 FOH rig consisting of 2 835's, 4 812's, 2 828's, and 2 818's. I don't use any sort of outside processing and it sounds very good. Get rid of the DriveRack, network the SRX speakers, use the SRX Connect app or Audio Architect, and I think you will be happy.
Title: Re: SRX835P and Driverack Venue360 level struggles
Post by: Tim McCulloch on August 04, 2017, 10:55:49 am
Hi Scott - welcome to the forum.

We need to divide this discussion into two pieces - your level issues with the SRX boxes, and whether the Venue360 is beneficial.  We also need to separate the concept of input sensitivity from speaker capability.

Starting with the last first - for whatever reason, JBL made the (IMO) dubious decision to design the SRX boxes with a 26dB gain, rather than 32dB that is more common for devices of this type.  What this means is you need to drive the SRX boxes with a louder signal to get equivalent output compared to a speaker like the Yamaha DXR12.  This has nothing to do with the acoustical output ability of the speakers; it simply means you need to turn the send level to the SRX boxes up compared to other products.

There are several ways to turn up the level on the SRX boxes - you can move to "consumer" mode as Stelios suggested which adds about 10dB of gain, or you can simply turn both the input channel gain up and the master volume up.  I forget which, but one of them goes to +6.0dB, which should make up most of the level discrepancy.  Or you can do it by adding gain in your Driverack.

The final question is whether the Venu360 adds anything for you.  I will dissent from the other posters and say yes it does.  It isn't required for your SRX boxes as they have internal DSP, however your current subs do not have user-adjustable processing in them, so using the Driverack gives you processing for your subs and a convenient single place to adjust your mains as well.

Note that in the case of your subs and especially your SRX boxes, they already have some internal processing, and the SRX boxes have very substantial processing. In the case of your SRX boxes, only some of the processing is accessible to you; the rest of it is a black box that provides driver protection and very advanced tuning to make the box sound good with no other effort.  You can zero out any DSP changes you've made in the SRX boxes, but you can't "remove" all of the processing that the manufacturer put there, and you certainly wouldn't want to if you could.

As to how to fix your issues - you need to dig in to gain structure.  I can assure you the SRX boxes have SIGNIFICANTLY more output capability than the Yamaha DXR series; you need to figure out where your lack of gain is.  Start with adjusting the SRX boxes to +6.0dB input gain.  From there if you want more, you can go to the output channels of the Driverack and add gain there.

The second stage of this is to do some alignment between your subs and mains - something that the Driverack will help you with.  You can read up on how to do a basic nulling alignment by ear, or you can have someone help you use a measurement system to get this setup.

If you post your location, there may be someone nearby who would be willing to stop over and help you get all of this running.

I played with the SRX828sp in our shop and found that it didn't require any more input level than other equipment in our shop, but we've been on a 26dB gain basis for a long time so it was pretty much plug and play.

Not sure why JBL made the decision but it's only been a problem for operators that got their panties in a wad before just turning things up.  Perhaps a combination of under and over-thinking?  At any rate I can understand the surprise when the "new & improved" product didn't automagically match the item it replaced.

I recall the number of kludges that folks came up with, including turning up the output level of the input compressor processing (using a 1:1 ratio) and other things that increased the internal drive level.  None of that was necessary - turn down the top boxes by -6dB and turn up the mixer output.

Some folks are used to very low drive signal levels, in fact I recently did a show with a "Band You've Heard Of" where the BE wanted the system gain staged "... for proper 0.775V. drive level."  It seems he doesn't like the way most consoles sound at higher levels but he's willing to overlook the increased noise floor.  I changed the input sensitivity in our ITech HD 12000s to 1.4V and he was happy.  Since all our amps are the same power and gain, it didn't affect any processing or drive other than system input level.

The other tidbit I'll give folks using the SRX800 powered boxes - can you hear that limit light?  IOW, can you hear it working?  If not, ignore it and stop listening with your eyes.  If you CAN hear it working and still need more, you need different or more speakers.  There is no magic kludge to make them create more SPL even if you drive with at 10V.

I know you know all this, TJ, it's for the benefit of those who haven't had the time or initiative to work through the change in input sensitivity.
Title: Re: SRX835P and Driverack Venue360 level struggles
Post by: Scott Gentry on August 04, 2017, 11:31:39 am
I believe the input level on the speaker only goes to 0 db, output seems to go to +12. Driverack input and output settings are +24 & +12 respectively, which I believe is default. Would bumping the output levels on the driverack +6 db get closer to what I'm used to? Any pros or cons to doing that??
Or, would I be better served to set input sensitivity to consumer and gain 12bd there? From what I've researched so far there isn't a way to increase input gain past 0 db, only hard settings on the sensitivity menu.
Title: Re: SRX835P and Driverack Venue360 level struggles
Post by: TJ (Tom) Cornish on August 04, 2017, 01:16:22 pm
I believe the input level on the speaker only goes to 0 db, output seems to go to +12. Driverack input and output settings are +24 & +12 respectively, which I believe is default. Would bumping the output levels on the driverack +6 db get closer to what I'm used to? Any pros or cons to doing that??
Or, would I be better served to set input sensitivity to consumer and gain 12bd there? From what I've researched so far there isn't a way to increase input gain past 0 db, only hard settings on the sensitivity menu.
I don't own the SRX835p, but I do own SRX812p and one of the knobs on the back of the cabinet goes to +6.  I can't remember if it's the master (I think it is) or the channel gain.

It doesn't really matter how you add gain - the result is the same.  Setting to consumer mode is just fine.  You will at some point need to set the relative levels of your mains and subs, either by knobs on the speakers or your Driverack.
Title: Re: SRX835P and Driverack Venue360 level struggles
Post by: Scott Gentry on August 04, 2017, 06:38:15 pm
I don't own the SRX835p, but I do own SRX812p and one of the knobs on the back of the cabinet goes to +6.  I can't remember if it's the master (I think it is) or the channel gain.

It doesn't really matter how you add gain - the result is the same.  Setting to consumer mode is just fine.  You will at some point need to set the relative levels of your mains and subs, either by knobs on the speakers or your Driverack.

If I want to make adjustments in the driverack for gain, according to the owners manual that's done in the input and output sensitivity if I read everything correctly. Current settings are +24db input / +12db output. Would you boost the outputs?? Or make changes elsewhere in the driverack?
Title: Re: SRX835P and Driverack Venue360 level struggles
Post by: Scott Holtzman on August 04, 2017, 06:50:22 pm
If I want to make adjustments in the driverack for gain, according to the owners manual that's done in the input and output sensitivity if I read everything correctly. Current settings are +24db input / +12db output. Would you boost the outputs?? Or make changes elsewhere in the driverack?

Why don't you try what myself and everyone have told you and ditch the drive rack.  I just am not sure you understand how powerful the processor in your speakers is. 

Title: Re: SRX835P and Driverack Venue360 level struggles
Post by: Tim McCulloch on August 04, 2017, 07:05:33 pm
Why don't you try what myself and everyone have told you and ditch the drive rack.  I just am not sure you understand how powerful the processor in your speakers is.

It's more than a relatively powerful DSP, it's largely unneeded in Scott G's application and his trying to use it is leading to further deviation from his initial issue.  There will be uses for the 360 at a later time.

Title: Re: SRX835P and Driverack Venue360 level struggles
Post by: Scott Holtzman on August 04, 2017, 08:58:08 pm
It's more than a relatively powerful DSP, it's largely unneeded in Scott G's application and his trying to use it is leading to further deviation from his initial issue.  There will be uses for the 360 at a later time.

Agree he can use it to process and protect his subs.
Title: Re: SRX835P and Driverack Venue360 level struggles
Post by: BrianHenry on August 17, 2017, 01:37:57 am
I don't own the SRX835p, but I do own SRX812p and one of the knobs on the back of the cabinet goes to +6.  I can't remember if it's the master (I think it is) or the channel gain.

Hey Tom,

I just received a pair of SRX812p's and I just verified the input sensitivity maxes at 0 and the output/master at +12. Are you sure yours stop at +6? Just interested to see if something changed in the production of these boxes along the way.
Title: Re: SRX835P and Driverack Venue360 level struggles
Post by: bill jones chauncey on October 02, 2017, 01:24:50 pm
"keep the Driverrack360?"..........

i had to add something... i also have srx 828p and 835p and 815p and 2 prx818's.... the srx presets on the back of the speaker are perfect...easy as pie... but the driverrack has a SubR
Harmonic generator which can really add the frosting to your PA set up. If whatever your source material is not thumpy by itself you can dial in extra bass with the Sub/Gen. especially works great on kick drums. that feature alone is worth the cost of a Driverrack. IMHO....

 love this froum. and am so happy to have spent the money and bought these speakers. i am just an avid greatful dear fanboy who plays music loud
Title: Re: SRX835P and Driverack Venue360 level struggles
Post by: Thomas Le on October 02, 2017, 02:37:11 pm
"keep the Driverrack360?"..........

i had to add something... i also have srx 828p and 835p and 815p and 2 prx818's.... the srx presets on the back of the speaker are perfect...easy as pie... but the driverrack has a SubR
Harmonic generator which can really add the frosting to your PA set up. If whatever your source material is not thumpy by itself you can dial in extra bass with the Sub/Gen. especially works great on kick drums. that feature alone is worth the cost of a Driverrack. IMHO....

 love this froum. and am so happy to have spent the money and bought these speakers. i am just an avid greatful dear fanboy who plays music loud

Eh I've seen the subharmonic synth destroy woofers rather than help the mix. Since OP "had" subs, the subsynth doesn't benefit in this application.
Title: Re: SRX835P and Driverack Venue360 level struggles
Post by: Tim McCulloch on October 02, 2017, 03:06:31 pm
Eh I've seen the subharmonic synth destroy woofers rather than help the mix. Since OP "had" subs, the subsynth doesn't benefit in this application.

I still own a dbx Model 500, the "Professional Disco Boom Box".  I used it as an insert on drum group; also it has been inserted on kick drums, bass guitars and anything else that needed some <80Hz added to it, that could not be achieved with EQ.

I don't think I every destroyed a subwoofer simply because of the 500, although I'm pretty sure it contributed to at least 1 failure.

Used carefully it's another tool in the box, but a universally-applied bit of processing, eh... no.
Title: Re: SRX835P and Driverack Venue360 level struggles
Post by: Chuck Simon on October 03, 2017, 08:02:59 am
I have been using SRX 835's for two years now.  Unless you enjoy making life more complicated than necessary, connect the output of your mixer into the 835's, turn them on and forget about them.  JBL has already done the processing for you.  Spend your mental energy on the mix and you and your audience will be much happier.

P.S.  If you need more gain use the consumer setting on the JBLs.  That is the only change I have ever made.
Title: Re: SRX835P and Driverack Venue360 level struggles
Post by: Thomas Le on October 03, 2017, 09:55:15 am
I have been using SRX 835's for two years now.  Unless you enjoy making life more complicated than necessary, connect the output of your mixer into the 835's, turn them on and forget about them.  JBL has already done the processing for you.  Spend your mental energy on the mix and you and your audience will be much happier.

P.S.  If you need more gain use the consumer setting on the JBLs.  That is the only change I have ever made.

Scott has been told this from the beginning, but looked like he gave up and eventually sold them for a pair of ETX35p's, considered a downgrade IMO.
Title: Re: SRX835P and Driverack Venue360 level struggles
Post by: Luke Geis on October 21, 2017, 12:48:14 pm
My opinion of the SRX835's is that they can't get much better for the money. You can spend more and have relatively the same though. The 835's are relatively linear and they sound pretty much as their specs state. I believe the 812 is actually flatter and even more linear, but does not fair well with splaying due to the 90* coverage. The 835's horns do a pretty good job and you can splay these boxes. They said 60x40 and they are pretty much 60X40 where you expect them to be.

I was one that was initially bothered by the " lower than expected output vs input " operating range of this line. Mostly because I am not one that does not like to cook HA and or tickle red lights. No# 2. I have several visiting engineers complain that they had to push the mixer to get the SPL they wanted. I went through a series of techniques to get to my desired working standard, but finally settled on the easy and obvious fix; just turn the speakers master all the way up.

The most interesting part of what I ended up doing was the setting of the speakers limiter. I am actually running a lower threshold setting than stock, which was already set pretty modestly. The speakers limiter light does blink early and often, but I could never hear it working. So I kept turning it down till I did. I finally settled on a threshold setting of -15db with the master and input turned all the way up. It gets more than loud enough and the limiter keeps the visiting engineers in check. I have not had to do any changes to those setting in about a year and I have gotten ZERO service calls from the two venues that I have these installed in over that time!!! Long and short of it is, the SRX800 line is the biz and can do everything you ask of them.
Title: Re: SRX835P and Driverack Venue360 level struggles
Post by: Tim McCulloch on October 21, 2017, 01:06:43 pm
My opinion of the SRX835's is that they can't get much better for the money. You can spend more and have relatively the same though. The 835's are relatively linear and they sound pretty much as their specs state. I believe the 812 is actually flatter and even more linear, but does not fair well with splaying due to the 90* coverage. The 835's horns do a pretty good job and you can splay these boxes. They said 60x40 and they are pretty much 60X40 where you expect them to be.

I was one that was initially bothered by the " lower than expected output vs input " operating range of this line. Mostly because I am not one that does not like to cook HA and or tickle red lights. No# 2. I have several visiting engineers complain that they had to push the mixer to get the SPL they wanted. I went through a series of techniques to get to my desired working standard, but finally settled on the easy and obvious fix; just turn the speakers master all the way up.

The most interesting part of what I ended up doing was the setting of the speakers limiter. I am actually running a lower threshold setting than stock, which was already set pretty modestly. The speakers limiter light does blink early and often, but I could never hear it working. So I kept turning it down till I did. I finally settled on a threshold setting of -15db with the master and input turned all the way up. It gets more than loud enough and the limiter keeps the visiting engineers in check. I have not had to do any changes to those setting in about a year and I have gotten ZERO service calls from the two venues that I have these installed in over that time!!! Long and short of it is, the SRX800 line is the biz and can do everything you ask of them.

The OP bailed on this a couple months ago because our simple and pragmatic approach didn't fit his world view of where his console's faders & knobs should be physically set and which console LEDs flashed.
Title: Re: SRX835P and Driverack Venue360 level struggles
Post by: Ben Polius on November 27, 2017, 11:34:13 am
Hi.

I recieved my srx800 system today - 2xsrx835 and 4x srx818. I like many people was initially foxed by the seemly low output, which has been amply and correctly explained in this thread. Itís just a question of gain structure.

From OP first posts I get the feeling that like many of us in our early years, he was mesmerised by the DBX wizard/rta functionality which again is fairly redundant on speakers as flat as these. Not to mention the fact that you canít optimise a system using RTA, and I very much doubt dbx has mastered automated calculations based on transfer function yet....  correct me if Iím wrong.

On first listen these boxes are outstanding but Iíll go into that on some more relevant threads, and I can not wait to run them up properly tomorrow now Iíve been informed about the input sensitivity.
Title: Re: SRX835P and Driverack Venue360 level struggles
Post by: Chrysander 'C.R.' Young on November 27, 2017, 01:11:55 pm
I am certain you will be very pleased with your system once you get it setup properly.  Might I suggest that you start a new thread detailing your experiences instead of posting in a older thread?  It will probably get more traffic and appreciation that way.

Either way, welcome and good luck with the new gear.  I have used the SRX800 series recently and was very pleased.