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Title: Best current WAP/Router for any consoles and Lab Gruppen amps these days
Post by: Jeff Stielau on June 25, 2017, 10:39:01 pm
Didn't see a current / quick answer for this anywhere.

Curious what others are using for the latest/greatest ( not breaking the bank ! ) Router OR wireless access point ( WAP ) for basic iPad control of their consoles  ( Soundcraft Vi1 & family ) in my case. 

May even need one for wireless access to the Lake Processors in our Lab Gruppen amps.

Seems the market is flooded with options these days.

Any advise appreciated !
Title: Re: Best current WAP/Router for any consoles and Lab Gruppen amps these days
Post by: Rob Spence on June 25, 2017, 11:06:37 pm
Didn't see a current / quick answer for this anywhere.

Curious what others are using for the latest/greatest ( not breaking the bank ! ) Router OR wireless access point ( WAP ) for basic iPad control of their consoles  ( Soundcraft Vi1 & family ) in my case. 

May even need one for wireless access to the Lake Processors in our Lab Gruppen amps.

Seems the market is flooded with options these days.

Any advise appreciated !

How big is the bank?

Lots of solutions at about $100.

I am building a few hundred dollar system for my festival work.

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Title: Re: Best current WAP/Router for any consoles and Lab Gruppen amps these days
Post by: Andrew Broughton on June 26, 2017, 01:11:33 am
I use 3:

WRT54GC - compact and portable, sits in the bottom of my bag and with me always. Good for short distances and very convenient. Saved my bacon many times.
WRT54GS - flashed with DD-WRT which among other things, allows me to up the power output to 250mW, so it has great range, but only 2.4G
Ubiquiti NanoStation M5 - 5Ghz long-range AP for more critical and long-distance usage.
Title: Re: Best current WAP/Router for any consoles and Lab Gruppen amps these days
Post by: Scott Holtzman on June 26, 2017, 01:55:45 am
I use 3:

WRT54GC - compact and portable, sits in the bottom of my bag and with me always. Good for short distances and very convenient. Saved my bacon many times.
WRT54GS - flashed with DD-WRT which among other things, allows me to up the power output to 250mW, so it has great range, but only 2.4G
Ubiquiti NanoStation M5 - 5Ghz long-range AP for more critical and long-distance usage.

Increasing broadcast power only changes half the path.  The return path is often the weakest link in the chain.
Title: Re: Best current WAP/Router for any consoles and Lab Gruppen amps these days
Post by: Andrew Broughton on June 26, 2017, 02:04:37 am
Increasing broadcast power only changes half the path.  The return path is often the weakest link in the chain.
Of course. Still get great range though. Certainly better when I upped it's power...
Title: Re: Best current WAP/Router for any consoles and Lab Gruppen amps these days
Post by: Jeff Stielau on June 26, 2017, 08:51:52 am
I use 3:

WRT54GC - compact and portable, sits in the bottom of my bag and with me always. Good for short distances and very convenient. Saved my bacon many times.
WRT54GS - flashed with DD-WRT which among other things, allows me to up the power output to 250mW, so it has great range, but only 2.4G
Ubiquiti NanoStation M5 - 5Ghz long-range AP for more critical and long-distance usage.

I have one of these older G series Linksys routers....a bit clunky and big.

The Ubiquiti M5 looks small and more current technology.

Is the M5 easy to set up ?    Plug it and search it's specified network , enter password and go ?     Or do you have to configure it first with the Airmax OS software they show on their website?

https://www.ubnt.com/airmax/nanostationm/

Thanks in advance for your help !

Title: Re: Best current WAP/Router for any consoles and Lab Gruppen amps these days
Post by: Keith Broughton on June 26, 2017, 09:18:52 am
I have one of these older G series Linksys routers....a bit clunky and big.

The Ubiquiti M5 looks small and more current technology.

Is the M5 easy to set up ?    Plug it and search it's specified network , enter password and go ?     Or do you have to configure it first with the Airmax OS software they show on their website?

https://www.ubnt.com/airmax/nanostationm/

Thanks in advance for your help !
I had no end of trouble setting up a Ubiquity M5 Bullet.
Gave up and tossed it.
Bought a used Netgear WNDR3400.
Perfect!
Title: Re: Best current WAP/Router for any consoles and Lab Gruppen amps these days
Post by: Andrew Broughton on June 26, 2017, 11:05:43 am
Is the M5 easy to set up ?    Plug it and search it's specified network , enter password and go ?     Or do you have to configure it first with the Airmax OS software they show on their website?

It's easy enough, but for some baffling reason it's not just plug-and-play. Every other router I've used typically you plug in, browse to it's IP, change a password and it just works. The M5 (and other Ubiquiti) are not that way. You power on, browse to it's IP and have to make some changes before it will work. It has no "wizard" like consumer grade stuff does.
Luckily there are people that have posted the required changes on the net that are needed to make them work.
I've no idea why they don't make the default settings the correct ones to make it "just work".
Title: Re: Best current WAP/Router for any consoles and Lab Gruppen amps these days
Post by: Mike Caldwell on June 26, 2017, 03:35:40 pm
For off the shelf wireless routers I have had excellent results with both a TP Link Archer C7 (about a $100) and a Netgear R7000 (about $150).
I operate both only on 5g.


There are times I feel I get touch more range with the TP link.
I use them with a Allen Heath QU Pac 32.

Title: Re: Best current WAP/Router for any consoles and Lab Gruppen amps these days
Post by: Nathan Riddle on June 26, 2017, 03:58:58 pm
I love my Linksys WRT1700AC with DD-WRT flashed on it. Working beautifully on QU24 with all band members on QU-You apps, Client-Bridge network to the local wifi for internet, network cables to amps, dsp, speakers, etc.

Plenty of horsepower. Amazon for ~100 warehouse deal.
Title: Re: Best current WAP/Router for any consoles and Lab Gruppen amps these days
Post by: Rob Spence on June 26, 2017, 06:50:17 pm
I got a Ubiquiti Unifi AC Mesh recently and I plan to mount it on a tall mic stand and plug it into one of my Netgear routers with their radios off. Should be good for 400'.


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Title: Re: Best current WAP/Router for any consoles and Lab Gruppen amps these days
Post by: Kemper Watson on September 03, 2017, 06:39:08 pm
For off the shelf wireless routers I have had excellent results with both a TP Link Archer C7 (about a $100) and a Netgear R7000 (about $150).
I operate both only on 5g.


There are times I feel I get touch more range with the TP link.
I use them with a Allen Heath QU Pac 32.

Just went with  the Netgear R700 (AC1900).. It may be called a Nighthawk in some markets.. Much faster than anything else I had so far
Title: Re: Best current WAP/Router for any consoles and Lab Gruppen amps these days
Post by: Rob Spence on September 04, 2017, 10:36:14 am
I got a Ubiquiti Unifi AC Mesh recently and I plan to mount it on a tall mic stand and plug it into one of my Netgear routers with their radios off. Should be good for 400'.


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So, got things mounted up. I used a top hat and mounted the bracket for the AP and a mic mount for my paddle (for a remote speaker). Now I can easily get both up 10+'.


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Title: Re: Best current WAP/Router for any consoles and Lab Gruppen amps these days
Post by: Tim Hite on July 27, 2019, 06:52:49 pm
So, got things mounted up. I used a top hat and mounted the bracket for the AP and a mic mount for my paddle (for a remote speaker). Now I can easily get both up 10+'.


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Got a photo Rob? Currently trying to solve the same problem of getting an AC Mesh on top of a mic stand.

Title: Re: Best current WAP/Router for any consoles and Lab Gruppen amps these days
Post by: Russell Ault on July 27, 2019, 11:28:59 pm
[...] Currently trying to solve the same problem of getting an AC Mesh on top of a mic stand.

For a one-nighter gaff tape works fine in my experience. The longer-term temporary solution that I've seen is to use a hose clamp through the AP and around the mic stand.

-Russ
Title: Re: Best current WAP/Router for any consoles and Lab Gruppen amps these days
Post by: Tim Hite on July 28, 2019, 12:05:32 pm
I was trying to come up with something a bit more elegant that doesn't require a tool. I fabricated a slip bracket that bolts to a top hat, but it's pretty ugly. Tried velcro but that slips down the stand.

Guess I'll take the AP to the big orange store and see what I can find.

For a one-nighter gaff tape works fine in my experience. The longer-term temporary solution that I've seen is to use a hose clamp through the AP and around the mic stand.

-Russ
Title: Re: Best current WAP/Router for any consoles and Lab Gruppen amps these days
Post by: Rob Spence on July 28, 2019, 02:04:33 pm
Got a photo Rob? Currently trying to solve the same problem of getting an AC Mesh on top of a mic stand.

I have a couple of pics I can post. Might only get one per post, we shall see.

The top hat and speaker stand (though was sold as lighting stand) are from On Stage Stands - I am a dealer). The stand goes up 13í but often I donít put it up that high.

Edit:
Oh, and a few sand bags on the bottom of the stand make it pretty stable.

Edit:
Got one to post. The xlr in the middle is the dmx cable to the Donner transmitter. For that I used a piece of aluminum angle punched for Neutik d and mounted an xlr feed through.

I hope this helps.

Title: Re: Best current WAP/Router for any consoles and Lab Gruppen amps these days
Post by: John Schalk on July 28, 2019, 03:41:49 pm
This works for me, although I've only started using it, so not sure how well this will hold up over the long haul.  I plan on changing out the 50' Ethernet cable for something shorter.
Title: Re: Best current WAP/Router for any consoles and Lab Gruppen amps these days
Post by: Tim Hite on July 28, 2019, 04:17:09 pm
So for the AC Mesh is that the wall mount bracket screwed to a piece of L aluminum that's bolted to the top hat?

I have a couple of pics I can post. Might only get one per post, we shall see.

The top hat and speaker stand (though was sold as lighting stand) are from On Stage Stands - I am a dealer). The stand goes up 13í but often I donít put it up that high.

Edit:
Oh, and a few sand bags on the bottom of the stand make it pretty stable.

Edit:
Got one to post. The xlr in the middle is the dmx cable to the Donner transmitter. For that I used a piece of aluminum angle punched for Neutik d and mounted an xlr feed through.

I hope this helps.
Title: Re: Best current WAP/Router for any consoles and Lab Gruppen amps these days
Post by: boburtz on July 28, 2019, 05:48:04 pm
Curious what others are using for the latest/greatest ( not breaking the bank ! ) Router OR wireless access point ( WAP ) for basic iPad control of their consoles  ( Soundcraft Vi1 & family ) in my case. 

May even need one for wireless access to the Lake Processors in our Lab Gruppen amps.
Any advise appreciated !
We are using the Engenius ENS500 and ENH500 units with terrific results for console connectivity as well as PLM/Lake connectivity. They are poe (proprietary, injector is included) so only one cable necessary and you can put them on a mic stand (zip ties and LO2 for us). I had some problems with spotty connections using an off the shelf consumer level product, so we spent a little more (~$120 or so) and now have incredible range (not sure what the limit is, haven't ever dropped a connection, but it's more than a football field...). Simple web interface, all of the tools and capability you need.
Title: Re: Best current WAP/Router for any consoles and Lab Gruppen amps these days
Post by: Jonathan Hole on July 28, 2019, 07:15:28 pm
Didn't see a current / quick answer for this anywhere.

Curious what others are using for the latest/greatest ( not breaking the bank ! ) Router OR wireless access point ( WAP ) for basic iPad control of their consoles  ( Soundcraft Vi1 & family ) in my case. 

May even need one for wireless access to the Lake Processors in our Lab Gruppen amps.

Seems the market is flooded with options these days.

Any advise appreciated !

I have been using this TP Link outdoor 5G AP for the past couple years with great success. If I'm mixing from DL32/Core on iPad, which we do quite often at festivals, I use this on stage mounted in the backline to a tall lighting stand. I've mixed 250 feet out at FOH with no issues.  I chose the lighting stand as it's far smaller, lighter than using up a mic stand and goes taller.  If I'm mixing self provided larger gigs from my M32 at FOH, then I attach to our FOH router facing band so they can reliably adjust ears from their phones.  I have a POE switch and router mounted on a 1U shelf in our stage rack and POE injector mounted in the doghouse at FOH so ready when needed at either position.

https://www.tp-link.com/us/business-networking/outdoor-radio/cpe510/
Title: Re: Best current WAP/Router for any consoles and Lab Gruppen amps these days
Post by: Rob Spence on July 28, 2019, 10:52:26 pm
So for the AC Mesh is that the wall mount bracket screwed to a piece of L aluminum that's bolted to the top hat?

Yes.

I also defeated the locking latch to make it easy to remove for safer transit. 
Title: Re: Best current WAP/Router for any consoles and Lab Gruppen amps these days
Post by: Scott Holtzman on July 29, 2019, 03:29:21 am
Yes.

I also defeated the locking latch to make it easy to remove for safer transit.

I reread the title to the thread.  Curious as to why people think in matters what devices they are connecting to.  IP is IP.

Title: Re: Best current WAP/Router for any consoles and Lab Gruppen amps these days
Post by: Steve Ferreira on July 30, 2019, 11:40:46 am
What are the benefits of flashing to DD-WRT?
Title: Re: Best current WAP/Router for any consoles and Lab Gruppen amps these days
Post by: Rob Spence on July 30, 2019, 12:56:48 pm
I was trying to come up with something a bit more elegant that doesn't require a tool. I fabricated a slip bracket that bolts to a top hat, but it's pretty ugly. Tried velcro but that slips down the stand.

Guess I'll take the AP to the big orange store and see what I can find.

I posted my pic.
I used a chunk of angle aluminum to get the post mount screwed on and threaded a 1/4-20 hole. I then screwed a bolt down through the hole, set it on the top hat and use a wingnut to hold it. No tools needed.
Title: Re: Best current WAP/Router for any consoles and Lab Gruppen amps these days
Post by: Tim Hite on July 31, 2019, 11:58:51 pm
I posted my pic.
I used a chunk of angle aluminum to get the post mount screwed on and threaded a 1/4-20 hole. I then screwed a bolt down through the hole, set it on the top hat and use a wingnut to hold it. No tools needed.

That was in response to Russ' gaff tape suggestion. I appreciate the photo.