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Title: JBL VTX A12
Post by: John Heinz on January 30, 2017, 07:42:58 pm
OK Folks, what do we know?
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John Heinz
Concert Quality
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: eric lenasbunt on January 30, 2017, 09:51:09 pm
Where did you get that pic?
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: John Heinz on January 30, 2017, 10:01:37 pm
Where did you get that pic?

Was floating around on FB on the JBL VTX line array page.

John Heinz
Concert Quality
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Riley Casey on January 30, 2017, 10:09:15 pm
Great , they brought back the 4888.  Always thought those were the sweet spot in the Vertec line.
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Todd Friemuth on January 31, 2017, 06:42:20 am
The A12 walks all over the 4888. It is sonically superior in every way to anything Vertec. It would be hard to make any comparison between the two boxes beyond both being 2x12".
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Ray Aberle on January 31, 2017, 10:06:37 am
The A12 walks all over the 4888. It is sonically superior in every way to anything Vertec. It would be hard to make any comparison between the two boxes beyond both being 2x12".

oooOoooo where did you hear it at?!? Is it shipping?

-Ray
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Tim Robertson on January 31, 2017, 07:18:12 pm
The A12 walks all over the 4888. It is sonically superior in every way to anything Vertec. It would be hard to make any comparison between the two boxes beyond both being 2x12".

Yup, the similarities would stop at cosmetics. VERY nice sounding system. Interested to see the adoption rate of this system in the market too. VTX V series is getting there but not at the rate I think it deserves. Some fantastic next gen tech behind this box. Excited for the official launch.
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Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: eric lenasbunt on February 01, 2017, 11:24:17 pm
Yup, the similarities would stop at cosmetics. VERY nice sounding system. Interested to see the adoption rate of this system in the market too. VTX V series is getting there but not at the rate I think it deserves. Some fantastic next gen tech behind this box. Excited for the official launch.

The thing holding VTX back imho is price. It needs to be priced closer to the older Vertec. The older stuff is priced to really be a value. If I'm going to spend that kind of money per box I would rather get d&b or L Acoustics or Meyer. That way I could at least charge more for the name "prestige". With JBL I wonder if clients would just say "hey, this is twice as much as your old Vertec rig and it's still a Vertec rig".
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Jim McKeveny on February 02, 2017, 07:17:43 am
The thing holding VTX back imho is price. It needs to be priced closer to the older Vertec. The older stuff is priced to really be a value. If I'm going to spend that kind of money per box I would rather get d&b or L Acoustics or Meyer. That way I could at least charge more for the name "prestige". With JBL I wonder if clients would just say "hey, this is twice as much as your old Vertec rig and it's still a Vertec rig".

This is exactly what is happening. D&B, L'Acoustics, and Meyer are low-volume, specialist brands. JBL has become an audio generalist. That orange logo doesn't hold big value when it also appears on downmarket  consumer items
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: eric lenasbunt on February 03, 2017, 08:15:34 pm
This is exactly what is happening. D&B, L'Acoustics, and Meyer are low-volume, specialist brands. JBL has become an audio generalist. That orange logo doesn't hold big value when it also appears on downmarket  consumer items

Don't get me wrong, most average people (not us super sound nerds) are still somewhat impressed with our JBL inventory and especially our Vertec rig. It just tends to cater more to Ford/Chevy money not the BMW/Mercedes money like the above mentioned premium brands.
Don't get me wrong, Ford makes some baller F series trucks, but when you go to rent one you don't necessarily want to pay for the Super Lariat Harley Davidson Eddie Bauer version. 
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Steve Ferreira on April 04, 2017, 09:19:57 am
http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/tour-sound/vtx-a12#.WOOdBk02xIA

This came across my news feed this morning.
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Christian Kansichi on April 07, 2017, 04:04:06 am
Are there people in this forum who were demoing it. Who can now give us more insight into how the A12 performs?

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Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Mario Andrich on April 10, 2017, 07:31:27 am
Are there people in this forum who were demoing it. Who can now give us more insight into how the A12 performs?

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A lot of people in germany have heard the A12 and where blown away by the great sound. This System is a quantum leap in line source technology
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Todd Friemuth on April 10, 2017, 05:15:18 pm
Are there people in this forum who were demoing it. Who can now give us more insight into how the A12 performs?

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Is there a particular question you have about the A12? It's a bit difficult to give you more insight about the box without a more specific idea of what you would like to know.
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Christian Kansichi on April 10, 2017, 05:21:18 pm
Is there a particular question you have about the A12? It's a bit difficult to give you more insight about the box without a more specific idea of what you would like to know.
Personally I'm interested in how it stacks up against V20 and V25. The reason being all the JBL literature and content out now is touting it as a revolutionary change? Does it supercede these? What sort of ratio equivalent are we looking at between the v25 and the A12?

Will you be able to use A12 in a system with other VTX V-series boxes?

What sort of price point will these come in at?

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Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Todd Friemuth on April 10, 2017, 05:49:14 pm
More horsepower than V20. Sounds different than V25. Not compatible with the V series in the sense of using A12's as a downfill for the V25 if that's what you are thinking of. I honestly feel like they are 1:1 with the V25's even though they are 12" boxes vs. 15" boxes. The price point isn't something I care to address publicly. That would be something to sort out with your JBL person.
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Ray Aberle on April 10, 2017, 06:20:58 pm
More horsepower than V20. Sounds different than V25. Not compatible with the V series in the sense of using A12's as a downfill for the V25 if that's what you are thinking of. I honestly feel like they are 1:1 with the V25's even though they are 12" boxes vs. 15" boxes. The price point isn't something I care to address publicly. That would be something to sort out with your JBL person.
Where did you hear them? Or are you with JBL, and thus have an inside scoop, and that's why you can't talk about pricing?

-Ray
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Todd Friemuth on April 10, 2017, 06:47:26 pm
Where did you hear them? Or are you with JBL, and thus have an inside scoop, and that's why you can't talk about pricing?

-Ray
I'm just a JBL rental house. I have 36 A12's sitting in my shop. I also have V25's, V20's, S28's, G28's. I don't feel it's my place to speak to anything regarding pricing as that would be between a potential buyer and their JBL rep.
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Ray Aberle on April 10, 2017, 07:46:32 pm
I'm just a JBL rental house. I have 36 A12's sitting in my shop. I also have V25's, V20's, S28's, G28's. I don't feel it's my place to speak to anything regarding pricing as that would be between a potential buyer and their JBL rep.
Ah ok, fair enough. It read like perhaps you had some inside scoop on it. :) However, could you at least share what the MSRP is on them, since there's nothing about that in any of the press releases I've seen? I think people are interested to know at least where the ballpark pricing is, even if they can't pull the trigger on it right now. I know I'm curious! :)   [I'd take a PM as well, if you prefer. Just looking to see where my budget might get shattered next year, and this is something I might consider as an upgrade from my 88 rig.]

And congrats for getting to jump on 'em early!

-Ray
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Steve Payne on April 11, 2017, 07:54:55 am
Ah ok, fair enough. It read like perhaps you had some inside scoop on it. :)

-Ray

I would say that Todd (" I have 36 A12's sitting in my shop. I also have V25's, V20's, S28's, G28's") is qualified to offer better observations and have more "inside scoop" than any factory people.  If I want to know how a race car really performs -where it's strengths and weaknesses lie-  I'd rather talk to the driver than the designer.
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: David Sturzenbecher on April 11, 2017, 08:19:37 am
I'm just a JBL rental house. I have 36 A12's sitting in my shop. I also have V25's, V20's, S28's, G28's. I don't feel it's my place to speak to anything regarding pricing as that would be between a potential buyer and their JBL rep.

Hey Todd,
Where are located and do you know when you may have the new rig out?
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Ray Aberle on April 11, 2017, 10:54:47 am
I would say that Todd (" I have 36 A12's sitting in my shop. I also have V25's, V20's, S28's, G28's") is qualified to offer better observations and have more "inside scoop" than any factory people.  If I want to know how a race car really performs -where it's strengths and weaknesses lie-  I'd rather talk to the driver than the designer.
Oh, understood. But, when he first posted in January about it, and how it was all many ways better than the 88s, and that was 3+ months before the actual release date- that means either he's a dealer with a great relationship with Harman and thus got a pre-release demo, or he works for JBL, and thus is working with the boxes already. Either way, there was something "Scoop" about it, and I was curious as to what.

As we all know, (and what you said) the marketing hype from a factory person/demo agent is going to be different than what you would get from a hands-on-user-in-the-field, so until Todd's post yesterday explaining who he was (that he has a pile on his shop floor already), it was hard to say what the deal was.

... that he already has 36 on his shop floor and they were JUST released does speak quite a bit to his pull/influence. I don't think these are going to be cheap boxes... haha. I might have to sell my neighbour's house again to buy some. :D

-Ray
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Ray Aberle on April 11, 2017, 10:56:09 am
Hey Todd,
Where are located and do you know when you may have the new rig out?
If I had to guess, I'd say Illinois.

-Ray "googles names" Aberle
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Todd Friemuth on April 11, 2017, 06:12:46 pm
Yes, I'm located in northern Illinois. We are still waiting for the bumpers and covers to be delivered. I don't expect to rotate them in to use until mid May most likely.
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Ray Aberle on April 11, 2017, 06:58:28 pm
Yes, I'm located in northern Illinois. We are still waiting for the bumpers and covers to be delivered. I don't expect to rotate them in to use until mid May most likely.

... interesting that the bumpers and covers haven't arrived yet! I've reached out to my dealer about pricing, and he's mentioning a 36 box minimum order. Ack!!

-Ray

Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Don T. Williams on April 11, 2017, 07:34:14 pm
I am finding it interesting that Clair with the Cohesion series and the A12 from JBL (and maybe the RCF HD50 series though maybe not quiet in the same league) are using 12" and not 15" LF drivers.  Drivers.  Are these really "arena" size rigs, and not "stadium" rigs, or has 12 become the new 15?  Thoughts?
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Keith Erickson on April 11, 2017, 08:07:13 pm
... interesting that the bumpers and covers haven't arrived yet! I've reached out to my dealer about pricing, and he's mentioning a 36 box minimum order. Ack!!

-Ray

It is actually a minimum of 32x A12 plus 24x subs (G28 or S28) plus power and rigging / transport accessories....Minimum system requires 12x IT-4X3500HD for A12 and 12x IT-12000HD for subs.

As stated before, if you want more detailed info on what they cost...contact your local Harman Rep.
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Ray Aberle on April 11, 2017, 08:25:07 pm
It is actually a minimum of 32x A12 plus 24x subs (G28 or S28) plus power and rigging / transport accessories....Minimum system requires 12x IT-4X3500HD for A12 and 12x IT-12000HD for subs.

As stated before, if you want more detailed info on what they cost...contact your local Harman Rep.
WOO HOO! Half mil pretty much. That's like everything my company has spent, to date, all at once. Sounds like the Unicorn of the Next Level. Hahaaa.
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Scott Holtzman on April 11, 2017, 11:48:23 pm
WOO HOO! Half mil pretty much. That's like everything my company has spent, to date, all at once. Sounds like the Unicorn of the Next Level. Hahaaa.


That exactly tracks the db$ - kinda the Moore's law of audio business





Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Tim McCulloch on April 12, 2017, 12:20:32 am
WOO HOO! Half mil pretty much. That's like everything my company has spent, to date, all at once. Sounds like the Unicorn of the Next Level. Hahaaa.

Better than the Eunuch Horn of the Next Level.  ;)

Will this bring a price drop on VTX V25/20 or will they just be the 'little bothers' of the VTX line?  Inquiring minds...
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Helge A Bentsen on April 12, 2017, 02:44:27 am
At what frequency do they achieve stated output?

The V25(which I've used several times) had it's claimed output in the HF with 10dB crest factor pink noise.

A12 claims 146dB with 12dB crest factor pink noise.
Is JBL playing ye old SPL numbers game?

Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Chris Hindle on April 12, 2017, 07:57:53 am
WOO HOO! Half mil pretty much. That's like everything my company has spent, to date, all at once. Sounds like the Unicorn of the Next Level. Hahaaa.

I believe Tim McC has said in the past, "Your next step will cost what you have invested up to now"

Welcome to "The Big Show" !
Chris.
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Ray Aberle on April 12, 2017, 09:28:57 am
I believe Tim McC has said in the past, "Your next step will cost what you have invested up to now"

Welcome to "The Big Show" !
Chris.

I was directly referring to his blog post (https://soundforums.net/blogs/tim-mcculloch/160970-the-next-level-the-unicorn-of-the-production-business) on that subject when I posted that comment. :)

-Ray
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Steve Ferreira on April 12, 2017, 09:31:19 am
WOO HOO! Half mil pretty much. That's like everything my company has spent, to date, all at once. Sounds like the Unicorn of the Next Level. Hahaaa.

Most of the "big" players have been doing minimal purchase orders for years now. Once you get into this league half a mil is a drop in the bucket.
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Steven Eudaly on April 12, 2017, 10:46:41 am
I am finding it interesting that Clair with the Cohesion series and the A12 from JBL (and maybe the RCF HD50 series though maybe not quiet in the same league) are using 12" and not 15" LF drivers.  Drivers.  Are these really "arena" size rigs, and not "stadium" rigs, or has 12 become the new 15?  Thoughts?

Add to the list d&b J, L'Acoustics K2, Adamson E12 and a plethora of other "big boy" boxes that are pretty common these days using 12s.

With flyable subs also being more commonplace, it seems to be a more flexible option to have smaller mains and fly subs when you need the additional LF in the air.
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Marjan Milosevic on April 13, 2017, 03:07:54 am
Whats the real advantage of a 15 inch driver if you cut both 15 and 12 inch at 90hz?
With the 12 inch you can put more boxes in a given array length.
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Ivan Beaver on April 13, 2017, 07:32:17 am
Whats the real advantage of a 15 inch driver if you cut both 15 and 12 inch at 90hz?
With the 12 inch you can put more boxes in a given array length.
But a 15" is bigger-so it "gives more bass" EVERYBODY knows that :)  :)   :)

So it MUST be better---------------------

Never mind the practical side of smaller drivers and being able to get things closer together for the wavelengths involved etc.  Bigger is better is all that some people know :(

OK-now back to the regular discussion
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Nitin Sidhu on April 14, 2017, 01:42:12 pm
But a 15" is bigger-so it "gives more bass" EVERYBODY knows that :)  :)   :)

Ahemm... Actually, it gets louder.
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Ivan Beaver on April 14, 2017, 03:39:11 pm
Ahemm... Actually, it gets louder.
Louder can mean very different things.  At what freq? At what listening position etc.

The larger a loudspeaker gets, the more beamy it becomes at lower freq.

Of course it depends on what the crossover freq is.

If you simply want LOUD-then run a piece of metal through a table saw.

Often times there are things that are more important than simply loud.

Do you really need 15" drivers with all the 12" drivers used in a typical line array.

I would "assume" that you are "running out of gas" on the mids and highs first-not the lows (once you put them in a large proper line).  So having more low "loudness" does not really buy you anything.  Except ego points.



Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Keith Broughton on April 14, 2017, 04:47:23 pm
L

If you simply want LOUD-then run a piece of metal through a table saw.


I'm sure I have heard that PA ...somewhere.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Nitin Sidhu on April 15, 2017, 12:00:43 pm
Louder can mean very different things.  At what freq? At what listening position etc........

Ivan!!!
Jeez...

To clarify my poor attempt at humor. I was joking.
We don't have a tablesaw either. Should we get one? Clients always want it louder.
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Ivan Beaver on April 15, 2017, 01:19:25 pm
Ivan!!!
Jeez...

To clarify my poor attempt at humor. I was joking.
We don't have a tablesaw either. Should we get one? Clients always want it louder.
I realize that, but to many people, LOUDER and bigger seem to be the only things they are interested in.

Such as with simple "peak SPL" numbers.  "People" often "assume" that the presented number would provide a "flat" response.

While in MANY cases, it is simply 1 very narrow range of freq that sticks out well above the others.
10dB higher is not unusual.

YES, the speaker will produce that SPL, but it will have to be eqed down to the rest of the response to sound good.  So NOW the "peak SPL" is lower than what the spec said.

That is why it is important to look at the unprocessed response curves of loudspeakers.  To see where the marketing departments get their numbers from.

Very often the curves and the spec numbers do not agree.

Beware of "simple single numbers", they can easily lead you astray.
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: David Sturzenbecher on April 15, 2017, 01:41:54 pm
I really like how Fulcrum Acoustics provides both "nominal max SPL" and  "equalized max SPL" with processed and unprocessed frequency response charts to boot.


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Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Ivan Beaver on April 15, 2017, 02:40:39 pm
I really like how Fulcrum Acoustics provides both "nominal max SPL" and  "equalized max SPL" with processed and unprocessed frequency response charts to boot.


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That is probably a "holdover" from some of the EAW products.

They would show unprocessed. processed, and the processing curve used.

That way people can look at how they want and derive their own opinions of some of the basic specs, such as sensitivity, freq response etc.
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Jim McKeveny on April 16, 2017, 08:08:33 am
That is probably a "holdover" from some of the EAW products.

They would show unprocessed. processed, and the processing curve used.

That way people can look at how they want and derive their own opinions of some of the basic specs, such as sensitivity, freq response etc.

It is all about the particulars of measurement.

I "nominally" match Dirk Diggler, for example.
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Peter Morris on April 16, 2017, 08:36:12 pm
This article maybe of interest.
http://harmanprogroup.blogspot.com.au/2017/04/pick-of-hits-jbl-vtx-a12-lighting-sound.html

Peter
 
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Randy Pence on April 17, 2017, 06:12:24 am
If you simply want LOUD-then run a piece of metal through a table saw.

At a friends experimental basement gig there was a fiberglass bathtub played by a grinder.  Holy shit was I happy to have my ear plugs with me
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Ivan Beaver on April 17, 2017, 07:16:39 am
At a friends experimental basement gig there was a fiberglass bathtub played by a grinder.  Holy shit was I happy to have my ear plugs with me
I had a guy who put a mic on a metal trash can-ran it through a delay.

He would recite some poetry, then hit the can with a sledge hammer and echo echo echo.

Then he would change the delay time, say some more lines, and hit the can again.

This continued until it was flat.

ALLRIGHTY then-------------
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Stephen Kirby on April 17, 2017, 05:51:15 pm
At a friends experimental basement gig there was a fiberglass bathtub played by a grinder.  Holy shit was I happy to have my ear plugs with me
Ear plugs?  I'd want to have a bunny suit.  Sounds itchy.

I have a friend who worked in the Dow Corning insulation plant in his youth.  Even with the bunny suits and the grease they gave them to cover their skin he never got rid of the itching until months after quitting. 
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Spenser Hamilton on April 18, 2017, 09:31:35 am
I had a guy who put a mic on a metal trash can-ran it through a delay.

He would recite some poetry, then hit the can with a sledge hammer and echo echo echo.

Then he would change the delay time, say some more lines, and hit the can again.

This continued until it was flat.

ALLRIGHTY then-------------

It amazes me how good we are at topic swerves on PSW  ;D
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Scott Holtzman on April 18, 2017, 09:55:49 am
.

 Even with the bunny suits and the grease they gave them to cover their skin he never got rid of the itching until months after quitting.


Sounds like a girl I knew....once
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: organeu on September 19, 2020, 10:38:33 am
You have to compare what is comparable. JBL is a manufacturer that manufactures all of its loudspeakers and necessarily supplants 80% of brands that are only assemblers like L Acoustics. In addition, the power of the Harman group allows a unique synergy in the audio industry between its prestigious brands (Crown, Soundcraft, DBX, Bss, Lexicon) to result in exceptional products of technological superiority. The JBL VTX is recognized worldwide as the best line array in the audio industry.
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Mac Kerr on September 19, 2020, 11:34:05 am
You have to compare what is comparable.

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Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Steve Payne on September 19, 2020, 01:58:44 pm
The JBL VTX is recognized worldwide as the best line array in the audio industry.

WTF.  Not.
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: David Sturzenbecher on September 19, 2020, 02:28:02 pm
WTF.  Not.

I used to bleed orange. Everything I did was Harman. The Harman that I knew only 6-8 years ago sadly no longer exists. 
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Matt Marcus on September 20, 2020, 03:32:25 am
The JBL VTX is recognized worldwide as the best line array in the audio industry.

If by “worldwide” you’re referring to some other planet, maybe so.
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Chris Hindle on September 20, 2020, 04:08:23 am
If by “worldwide” you’re referring to some other planet, maybe so.
Hmmm.  Some planet with a thicker atmosphere, where the icepick would be absorbed?  8)
Chris.
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Tim McCulloch on September 20, 2020, 01:10:14 pm
So while I used to run a JBL shop, I don't bleed orange... but what's up with A series 'controversy?'

It's a highly competent system that, unfortunately for JBL, arrived late to the party.
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Helge A Bentsen on September 20, 2020, 01:51:23 pm
So while I used to run a JBL shop, I don't bleed orange... but what's up with A series 'controversy?'

It's a highly competent system that, unfortunately for JBL, arrived late to the party.

FWIW:
Mixed a two day festival on A12 autum 2019, worked just fine for that.
I used to tech a lot of VTX as well, always got the results I wanted.
Title: Re: JBL VTX A12
Post by: Steve Payne on September 20, 2020, 10:28:27 pm
So while I used to run a JBL shop, I don't bleed orange... but what's up with A series 'controversy?'

It's a highly competent system that, unfortunately for JBL, arrived late to the party.

To be clear, my issue was with an anonymous poster stating "The JBL VTX is recognized worldwide as the best line array in the audio industry."  To which my reaction was "bu!!shit."  To categorize VTX as highly competent I think is entirely accurate.  We attended a very thorough demo of VTX when we were shopping for a new PA.  While I thought it was a huge improvement over Vertec I still felt that it leaned towards what I will call the JBL voicing.  I can name at least 4 other major speaker systems which I personally prefer. But that's just me.