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Title: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Andrew Henderson on November 24, 2016, 10:06:21 am
Hello all, and happy Thanksgiving!

I'm curious about what music tracks you all are using to demo PA systems or familiarize yourself with a system you're about to use.

I know the main idea is to use tracks you are very familiar with, so you can immediately recognize when certain sounds or details pop out at you on a new system, and recognize the characteristics of the system. I understand that this is not a replacement for measurement.

I'll share my playlist:

Aaron Neville: Louisiana 1927
Stevie Wonder: Sir Duke
Adele: He Won't Go
The Beatles: I Want You
Needtobreathe: Prisoner
Phish: Free
Queen: Bohemian Rhapsody
2Pac: I Get Around
Tonic: If You Could Only See
Stevie Wonder: Love's in Need of Love Today
Bob Marley: I Shot the Sheriff
AC/DC: Thunderstruck

I mainly put mine together based on songs I already own, trying to have a variety of genres, and making sure everything was fairly well produced. I wasn't very scientific about it.

Curious to see what you all are using!
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Ivan Beaver on November 24, 2016, 11:18:03 am
I use different songs, sometimes depending on what mood I am in.

But there are a lot of similarities.

Open-non "mushed" sound.  I like a acoustic instruments (we know what they sound like), well produced, clear vocals, nice percussion.
 
Percussive sound (drums-picks on stringed instruments etc) help to show off reflections or smearing in the speaker system.

Blown or bowed instruments don't show this.
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: John L Nobile on November 24, 2016, 11:58:28 am
No Steely Dan? :)

Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: John Chiara on November 24, 2016, 12:11:13 pm
No Steely Dan? :)
Steely Dan--2 Against Nature-- Negative Girl
Barbara Streisand duet with Barry Manilow...I won't Be The One to Say Goodbye
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: John L Nobile on November 24, 2016, 12:36:45 pm
I've been using IGY (What a Beautiful World) a lot. Sounds amazing through my system. Then I play Yes's Magnification for a challenge.
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Jamin Lynch on November 24, 2016, 12:41:04 pm
Just about anything from:

Danny Gatton
Lyle Lovett
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Stan Shields on November 24, 2016, 12:57:57 pm
Hello all, and happy Thanksgiving!

I'm curious about what music tracks you all are using to demo PA systems or familiarize yourself with a system you're about to use.

I know the main idea is to use tracks you are very familiar with, so you can immediately recognize when certain sounds or details pop out at you on a new system, and recognize the characteristics of the system. I understand that this is not a replacement for measurement.

I'll share my playlist:

Aaron Neville: Louisiana 1927
Stevie Wonder: Sir Duke
Adele: He Won't Go
The Beatles: I Want You
Needtobreathe: Prisoner
Phish: Free
Queen: Bohemian Rhapsody
2Pac: I Get Around
Tonic: If You Could Only See
Stevie Wonder: Love's in Need of Love Today
Bob Marley: I Shot the Sheriff
AC/DC: Thunderstruck

I mainly put mine together based on songs I already own, trying to have a variety of genres, and making sure everything was fairly well produced. I wasn't very scientific about it.

Curious to see what you all are using!
I use Keb Mo "Rainmaker" to EQ the low end, Steeley Dan: "Peg" for mids, highs and sibilance.
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Ivan Beaver on November 24, 2016, 03:05:08 pm
Just about anything from:

Danny Gatton
Lyle Lovett
I used to work with Danny Gatton back in the 80s in the DC area.

I find some of his works great for testing HF drivers.  It puts a lot of strain on them, between the slide and the harmonica.
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Steven Eudaly on November 24, 2016, 03:30:12 pm
Some of my go-to tracks include:

Michael Jackson - P.Y.T.
Daft Punk - Fragments of Time
Steely Dan - Babylon Sisters
Green Day - Brain Stew
deadmau5 - Ghosts N' Stuff
Peter Gabriel - Sledgehammer
Muse - Survival
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Stephen Kirby on November 24, 2016, 03:38:10 pm
Horn band stuff.  ToP or Ricky Peterson's Drop Shot (first pick).  If the horns project without sounding harsh, it's a good start.  Something with an acoustic guitar and soft vocals, e.g. Ricky Lee Jones Pop Pop to see if things still cut through after taming the horn sound.
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Nathan Riddle on November 24, 2016, 03:39:15 pm
Y'all are definitely In a different league than I am when it comes to knowing music and history and such.

I've been growing this playlist over time. Id like to add what y'all have said to it.

https://open.spotify.com/user/lightingman117/playlist/7HTrQQ8tEMVedNrd49MrEm

That's my quick and dirty and I switch to foobar FLAC with some jm test lab or Sheffield test tracks/songs.

I really enjoy Telefon Tel Aviv for both high end and low end, super ambient, yet full, yet articulate.
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Will Knight on November 24, 2016, 04:22:04 pm
A "simple" list for me.  As a bass player, an affinity for anything with strings...
No particular order.  Depends on the venue or format of the event...

  Fleetwood Mac - Rumors - "Dreams"
  Steely Dan - Reeling In the Years - "Aja" & "Deacon Blues"
  Yellowjackets - Spin - "Prayers for El Salvador"
  Rippingtons - Welcome to the St. James Club - "Welcome to the St. James Club"
  Spyro Gyra - Dreams Beyond Control - "Breakfast @ Igor's"
  ToP - What is Hip - "What is Hip?"
  Manhattan Transfer - Extensions - "Birdland"
  Skrillex - Scary Monsters
  Basia - London New York Warsau - "Crusing for Brusing"
  Pat Metheny - The Road to You - "Have You Heard" & "First Circle"
  Yo Yo Ma - Anything

my 2 cts

Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: eric lenasbunt on November 24, 2016, 10:24:45 pm
A dear friend of mine turned me on to Red Molly. That will really test the 1k-4K region. It will get harsh in a hurry as well...
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Mal Brown on November 24, 2016, 10:45:53 pm
BB King - Let the good times roll - pretty much anything from that cd

Ziggy Marley - Joy and Blues - real punchy low end

The Bonedaddies - Take your pick...  ShooRah from World Beatnicks has a nice tight low end punch.  I've been a fan for years so I know their stuff inside out.  The first is real well recorded.

Steely Dan 2 Against Nature... well yeah...  How that did not get Album of the year is beyond me...

If it's an acoustic date I  Phosphorescent Blues from The Punch Brothers then some Ottmar Liebert, then Wood Bothers The Muse.  Chris Wood's upright is generally very well recorded.   Oliver's voice is always a test of the mids...

I know that set of material really well so I can snag just about anything from those cd's will work for me.
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Mal Brown on November 24, 2016, 10:49:33 pm
A dear friend of mine turned me on to Red Molly. That will really test the 1k-4K region. It will get harsh in a hurry as well...

The Richard Thompson version ?  I couldn't use it.  The cut is so engaging, emotional I couldn't abstract myself enough to really listen to my system...

That said I'm going to try it and see what happens...
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Chris Grimshaw on November 25, 2016, 05:21:54 am
The one I like is Buena by Morphine. Some parts have doubled saxophones, and a good system makes that obvious. Apart from that, its a 2-string slide bass, vocals, and a well-recorded drum kit.

If I had to pick one track to listen to when testing a system, it'd probably be that.

Chris
Title: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: eric lenasbunt on November 25, 2016, 08:33:52 am
The Richard Thompson version ?  I couldn't use it.  The cut is so engaging, emotional I couldn't abstract myself enough to really listen to my system...

That said I'm going to try it and see what happens...

Sorry, no, the folk band, 3 ladies who really sound great and will let you know just how hyped or flat your upper mids are.

Similarly, I used to love using the track "Jesus Christ" by Brand New, then after an engineer friend committed suicide every time I've fired up that track I started weeping. That's when you switch it up.
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Kevin McDonough on November 25, 2016, 10:12:46 am
hey

- Original by Leftfield
- Tracks from Rebecca Pigeon's album The Raven (especially You Got Me and Grandmother, superb well recorded vocals, and available as a super high def version from HD Tracks)
- Prince  Cream and Get Off
- Hard 2 Handle by Black Crows
- Need You Tonight by INXS

and then genre specific stuff after that. Take the power back by Rage and other rock tracks if I'm tunning it for a rock show.   Intergalactic by Beasty Boys  or some Ying Yang Twins if it's for hiphop, The Hathors by Kalya Scintilla, Smack My Bitch Up and Superstylin if is for dance music.

something that's also caught on with engineers round my way lately is Tilted by Christina and the Queens. Again nice clear, neutral vocal, and nice steady beat behind it.


k
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Steve Litscher on November 25, 2016, 12:08:45 pm
The one I like is Buena by Morphine. Some parts have doubled saxophones, and a good system makes that obvious. Apart from that, its a 2-string slide bass, vocals, and a well-recorded drum kit.

If I had to pick one track to listen to when testing a system, it'd probably be that.

Chris

Another vote for Morphine here. I use Buena or Yes from them. Also like Boz Scaggs Thanks to You for low end and Seal's Crazy.
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Elliot Carroll on November 25, 2016, 01:28:02 pm
Bad Blood - NAO

Hey Now - London Grammar

Pulp Culture - Thomas Dolby (perfect for hearing your transition from LF drivers to subs)

Everyone Here Wants You - Jeff Buckley

I Can Let Go Now - Michael McDonald

Vide Cor Meum - version from the Hannibal Soundtrack
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Andrew Henderson on November 25, 2016, 02:33:25 pm
Good stuff! There are some I'm familiar with and some I'm not. I'll put together a playlist of these and start checking them out.


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Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Chris Grimshaw on November 26, 2016, 06:12:05 am
Good stuff! There are some I'm familiar with and some I'm not. I'll put together a playlist of these and start checking them out.


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We could put together a PSW demo album, just in time for Christmas.

Chris
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Nathan Riddle on November 28, 2016, 05:32:08 pm
We could put together a PSW demo album, just in time for Christmas.

Chris

I'd buy it!

New marketing slogan: "PSW Approved!"
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Ivan Beaver on November 28, 2016, 07:26:02 pm
I'd buy it!

New marketing slogan: "PSW Approved!"
All that somebody needs to do is to get the rights to the songs---
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Tim McCulloch on November 28, 2016, 07:46:43 pm
We could put together a PSW demo album, just in time for Christmas.

Chris

I don't buy much music on line, but perhaps a playlist and version of each song could be published.  The issue is "which downloadable version am I getting?"

One of our clients has promoter-supplied iThingy that is streaming music from something/somewhere.  When the device identified itself as an iPod or iPhone the tracks were all very "one note bass".  When the iThingy somehow became a desktop machine to the streaming service, the bass had much more fidelity and dynamics.  I suspect the stream delivered to small personal devices is 'mastered' for ill-fitting ear buds being used in relatively noisy environments.

With that in mind I'd much rather purchase music on CDs, rip to flac or wave PCM and put them on my Fios player's SD card.
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Ivan Beaver on November 28, 2016, 08:03:14 pm
I don't buy much music on line, but perhaps a playlist and version of each song could be published.  The issue is "which downloadable version am I getting?"

One of our clients has promoter-supplied iThingy that is streaming music from something/somewhere.  When the device identified itself as an iPod or iPhone the tracks were all very "one note bass".  When the iThingy somehow became a desktop machine to the streaming service, the bass had much more fidelity and dynamics.  I suspect the stream delivered to small personal devices is 'mastered' for ill-fitting ear buds being used in relatively noisy environments.

With that in mind I'd much rather purchase music on CDs, rip to flac or wave PCM and put them on my Fios player's SD card.
Yes.

The song itself is just a start.  If the version you get is all chopped and squashed, all the details get lost and what is great about the recording doesn't matter anymore.
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Dave Scarlett on November 28, 2016, 10:27:46 pm
Calling Elvis  8)
The Beatles "Love' soundtrack
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: John Halliburton on November 29, 2016, 09:26:44 am
Calling Elvis  8)
The Beatles "Love' soundtrack

Agreed, the "Love" soundtrack has some good stuff on it.

Well recorded stuff from Chesky, including:

Babatunbe Olatunji-great African drum fusion:
http://www.chesky.com/album/circle-drums-sacd295

I have to admit I've not looked at their catalog in a while, but this album may just "fill in" for an official LAB listening collection.  And most if not all their catalog are available as HiRes downloads too.

"The Best of Chesky:  Classics, Jazz, & Audiophile Test Disc":

http://www.chesky.com/album/best-chesky-classics-jazz-audiophile-test-disc-vol-3-jd111
Scroll down the track listing, lots of potentially good stuff to use besides the featured artist's tracks.

Best regards,

John


Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Jordan Wolf on November 29, 2016, 09:52:33 am
Here's mine:
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161129/489a6ab7f6e279e33f8dfece9853785e.png)


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Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Kevin McDonough on November 29, 2016, 10:19:22 am
hey

I think though it's probably worth pointing out (someone normally does when these threads periodically pop up) that the songs themselves don't really matter as much as your knowledge of them.

Of course it helps to have something that sounds good and is balanced and well recorded etc, and some of the suggestions on here are great sounding tracks.

But at the end of the day the track itself isn't so important, the important part is that you should know the track inside out and back to front, and should know exactly what it should sound like when played through a good sound system.

That way, if it doesn't sound the way you expect it to then you hear it instantly and can start to troubleshoot the problems.

So the best idea is to pick a few well recorded tracks that you know well, even if they're different from other peoples suggestions, and work from them. Play them in all different sound systems and get to know if this part sounds a bit honky or if this part sounds a bit boxy etc what that actually means in terms of what frequencies may need some work, or what the problem areas may be based on what you're hearing.

K
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Tom Burgess on November 29, 2016, 10:56:47 am
Just about anything from:

Danny Gatton
Lyle Lovett
I used to work with Danny Gatton back in the 80s in the DC area.

I find some of his works great for testing HF drivers.  It puts a lot of strain on them, between the slide and the harmonica.
Kudos to the both of you for the Danny Gatton references, what an amazing talent he was!  If you haven't already done so, check this out:
https://www.thehumblermovie.com/

Pardon the swerve, back to the topic at hand...

Steve Winwood - Higher Love
Steely Dan - Gaslighting Abbie
Audioslave - Cochise
Vaughn Brothers - Hard To Be
Midge Ure - Breathe
Tom Petty - Runnin' Down A Dream
Level 42 - Seven Years
Allison Krauss - Down To The River
Jack Ingram - Free
Joe Bonamassa - Black Lung Heartache
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: john lutz on November 29, 2016, 11:17:33 am
Not real sexy or fun but I have had good success with the canned songs from the old Roland TD-8 module.  When the balance between subs and tops plus house eq sounds good with these tracks - the mix for the band comes together fairly quick.
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Nathan Riddle on November 29, 2016, 11:28:24 am
In addition to the tracks, what do y'all use to play the record?

Phone
iThingy
Interface/computer/media player/format [scarlet, behringer; laptop, desktop; Foobar, iTunes;320MP3,Flac,WMA]
FiiO
etc?

I use phone, Fii, and scarlet w/ Foobar/Flac
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Tim McCulloch on November 29, 2016, 11:54:49 am
In addition to the tracks, what do y'all use to play the record?

Phone
iThingy
Interface/computer/media player/format [scarlet, behringer; laptop, desktop; Foobar, iTunes;320MP3,Flac,WMA]
Fii
etc?

I use phone, Fii, and scarlet w/ Foobar/Flac

I have a Fiio X5 and like it.  I also have a X1 but the scroll wheel no longer tracks correctly and a 360° spin may or may not move the selection indicator.

I got the X5 as a factory refurb from Adorama for about $15 more than I paid for the X1.  I can't tell any difference in sound between them.

Both are audibly superior to either the iPhone or my Samsung Galaxy S5 with FLAC or WAV files.

If I rip to MP3 I use 320kB.  I use FreeRip.
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Andrew Henderson on November 29, 2016, 12:46:36 pm
In addition to the tracks, what do y'all use to play the record?

Phone
iThingy
Interface/computer/media player/format [scarlet, behringer; laptop, desktop; Foobar, iTunes;320MP3,Flac,WMA]
FiiO
etc?

I use phone, Fii, and scarlet w/ Foobar/Flac
My old phone, an iPhone 5, with lossless files. I use the apple lightning/USB adapter to connect directly to our M32 to avoid the extra round of DA/AD conversion.
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Tom Burgess on November 29, 2016, 12:57:45 pm
In addition to the tracks, what do y'all use to play the record?

Phone
iThingy
Interface/computer/media player/format [scarlet, behringer; laptop, desktop; Foobar, iTunes;320MP3,Flac,WMA]
FiiO
etc?

I use phone, Fii, and scarlet w/ Foobar/Flac
CD Player if available, otherwise:

Device - retired Samsung Focus S Phone ----> Proco iFace
Format - WMA lossless
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: John Halliburton on November 29, 2016, 05:20:51 pm
I have a Fiio X5 and like it.  I also have a X1 but the scroll wheel no longer tracks correctly and a 360° spin may or may not move the selection indicator.

I got the X5 as a factory refurb from Adorama for about $15 more than I paid for the X1.  I can't tell any difference in sound between them.

Both are audibly superior to either the iPhone or my Samsung Galaxy S5 with FLAC or WAV files.

If I rip to MP3 I use 320kB.  I use FreeRip.

I was looking around at players and see there is a 2nd generation X1.  Wonder if they addressed your thumbwheel issue?  Amazon has them for $99, basically a third of the cost of an X5. Maybe buy the "insurance" for two years on it if I decide to get one.
The memory capacity is doubled, the 2nd gen will handle a 256gb card.

Best regards,

John
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Dave Garoutte on November 30, 2016, 12:31:24 pm
I just ordered a refurbed x5 for $150.
They make an x3 also, which seems about halfway between the other two.
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Nathan Riddle on December 01, 2016, 01:29:43 pm
Just saw these from the most recent article.

Got me thinking of some more tracks I've enjoyed to listen to, to hear different nuances.

- "Assassins," John Mayer. I like the acoustic for hearing the distinct strings and full range of guitar.

- "The Tip Of The Iceberg," Owl City. Good bass drops and holds, goes fairly low.

- Any number of orchestral pieces I enjoy. Including some unknown people: Ivan Torrent, Thomas Bergersen.

http://www.prosoundweb.com/article/backstage_class_gimme_three_steps/P2/

Quote
—“Domino,” Jesse J. A clean, dry mix that tends to reveal time alignment issues in sub arrays.

—“Neon,” John Mayer. On systems with excess energy in the 2 - 8 kHz region, this track will sound overly harsh in the vocals.

—“The Real World,” Owl City. There’s a nice bass drop that’s very revealing of LF room issues, modes, and rattles.

—“117,” Halo 4 Soundtrack. A cool orchestral piece that illuminates issues in the 1 kHz region quite readily.

—“Breakeven,” The Script. This recording tends to be representative of how a live band will sound in the space, particularly the drums.
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Nathan Riddle on December 01, 2016, 10:26:44 pm
Welp, I compiled the PSW Christmas Album.

 Spotify Link, don't hate :P (https://open.spotify.com/user/lightingman117/playlist/3Tye5psajhTJUhkTUjgMy7)
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Andrew Henderson on December 01, 2016, 10:51:29 pm
Welp, I compiled the PSW Christmas Album.

 Spotify Link, don't hate :P (https://open.spotify.com/user/lightingman117/playlist/3Tye5psajhTJUhkTUjgMy7)
Haha, cool! Thanks for compiling, Nathan!
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Steve M Smith on December 02, 2016, 04:57:30 am
Richard Thompson
The Sail Pattern


Steve.
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Jay Barracato on December 02, 2016, 01:24:59 pm
I use a combination of Abba, the starland vocal band, and Leif Garrett, especially in venues that host a lot of metal shows.

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Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: brian maddox on December 02, 2016, 02:46:23 pm
Here's mine:
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161129/489a6ab7f6e279e33f8dfece9853785e.png)


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I can get behind this list...

Eva Cassidy.  Another DC area great gone too soon...
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Chris Eddison on December 04, 2016, 11:45:56 am
My go-to tracks and reasons for;

Vanessa Carlton - Thousand Miles
Yep, everyone in the venue will be singing it for hours afterwards! It's a likeable song that won't upset people when they hear it several times. Nice clicky kick drum, snappy snare and a clean piano sorts the intelligibility issues out. Very soon starts to sound harsh if your tops aren't 100% spot on.

Philippa Hanna - Holywood
Not a very well known artist or song, but the production on this track (and the whole album!) is superb and it really does show a system's flaws up. An artist i've worked with too and it's nice to hear people at the end of my system check asking "who was that? She sounds incredible!".

Pirates of the Caribbean - Epica
Yep, a Dutch Metal band performing alongside a symphony orchestra. This one will wake your subs up! Double kick drum and a huge sound, yet because of the orchestral accompaniment and familiar tune it doesn't become tiresome.

The Zombie Song - Jamie Fletcher
Nope, you'll never have heard of this one either! It's a song that I produced, and I find that knowing a piece as well as that really does help highlight problems.

There are loads more. my love for musical theatre means my playlist has plenty of Cats (The Jellicle Ball especially), Hamilton, Wonderland etc.
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Lyle Williams on December 06, 2016, 11:21:42 am
John Cage - 4'33"
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Hyam Sosnow on December 06, 2016, 05:59:48 pm
John Cage - 4'33"

And it's conveniently pre-loaded on every software storage device in existence — you just press the Stop button and it plays.
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Tim McCulloch on December 06, 2016, 08:27:10 pm
And it's conveniently pre-loaded on every software storage device in existence — you just press the Stop button and it plays.

Mine must be time-stretched or looped.  It can play that for hours. ;)
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: chris johnson on December 07, 2016, 12:07:05 am
wouldnt it be rad if someone on here got bored next week and downloaded a bunch of these tunes in extremely high quality and uploaded them somewhere private on the internet for certain people with a link to download? :)
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Marcus Thiel on December 07, 2016, 02:20:25 am
wouldnt it be rad if someone on here got bored next week and downloaded a bunch of these tunes in extremely high quality and uploaded them somewhere private on the internet for certain people with a link to download? :)

wouldnt it be rad if you by the songs by jourself if you use them for professional work and give the artists some revenue that they can continue writing/playing good music ?
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: chris johnson on December 07, 2016, 03:27:35 am
wouldnt it be rad if you by the songs by jourself if you use them for professional work and give the artists some revenue that they can continue writing/playing good music ?

of course. that is if they are even available for sale anymore.
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Steve M Smith on December 07, 2016, 03:38:57 am
John Cage - 4'33"

I use that as interval music when I do sound reinforcement for mime artists.


Steve.
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Lyle Williams on December 07, 2016, 03:41:14 am
I use that as interval music when I do sound reinforcement for mime artists.


Steve.

But some old guy always wants you to turn it down...
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Chris Hindle on December 07, 2016, 08:54:09 am
wouldnt it be rad if you by the songs by jourself if you use them for professional work and give the artists some revenue that they can continue writing/playing good music ?
+100
I work with professional musicians.
I get paid.
Why shouldn't I extend them the same courtesy ?

Chris.
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Kevin Thurber on December 10, 2016, 07:14:39 pm
Some of my go-to tracks include:

Michael Jackson - P.Y.T.
Daft Punk - Fragments of Time
Steely Dan - Babylon Sisters
Green Day - Brain Stew
deadmau5 - Ghosts N' Stuff
Peter Gabriel - Sledgehammer
Muse - Survival

I personally use Fragments of Time, Babylon Sisters, and Slegehammer in my playlist too!

Along with:

Lake Street Dive - Nobody Knows What I'm Doing Here

Sting - Brand New Day

Little Feat - Hate To Lose Your Lovin

Taylor Swift - Shake It Off

New Radicals - You Get What You Give

Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Craig Leerman on December 11, 2016, 02:20:13 pm
Some of my favorite test tracks are used in our loudspeaker demos

Box Scaggs - Thanks to you.   
Darius Rucker - Alright
Donald Fagen - Morph the Cat
Lyle Lovit - I will Rise Up
Dave Barnes - Graces Amazing Hands
Pentatonux - Rather Be
Rob Mathews - Don't let me fall
Diana Krall - Black Crow
Gordon Goodwin Big Phat Band - Gainin on You
Holly Cole Trio - I Can See Clearly Now
Yo Yo Ma - prelude Cello Suite
Jennifer Warnes - Somewhere Sonebody
James Taylor - Copperline
Fairfield Four - These Bones
Chris Jones - no Sanctuary Here

We use a ton more at the Demos and all are good but these are some if the ones I like and use for myself


Craig
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Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: jason misterka on December 11, 2016, 04:21:08 pm




Lyle Lovit - I Will Rise Up




I've used that one since it came out. Problem is it sounds pretty great even on badly tuned systens.

So I use it when I have to turn on the system pre-tuning, if the client is in the room :)

Jason
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Dave Garoutte on December 14, 2016, 01:48:59 pm
I was looking around at players and see there is a 2nd generation X1.  Wonder if they addressed your thumbwheel issue?  Amazon has them for $99, basically a third of the cost of an X5. Maybe buy the "insurance" for two years on it if I decide to get one.
The memory capacity is doubled, the 2nd gen will handle a 256gb card.

Best regards,

John

I've been playing with my refurbed X5 and I must say it's nice on the headphones.  Will try it through a system this weekend.  Detail and ambience are quite remarkable.  Especially considering the direction downloaded music has been headed.  The music isn't cheap, though, so it's not a casual purchase nor likely to be available ripped for free.  Slow downloads because of the jumbo file size.  No regrets so far.
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Tim McCulloch on December 14, 2016, 05:00:17 pm
I've been playing with my refurbed X5 and I must say it's nice on the headphones.  Will try it through a system this weekend.  Detail and ambience are quite remarkable.  Especially considering the direction downloaded music has been headed.  The music isn't cheap, though, so it's not a casual purchase nor likely to be available ripped for free.  Slow downloads because of the jumbo file size.  No regrets so far.

I was impressed by the X1 and the X5 is possibly better but either my ears or headphones aren't up to the difference.  My refurb was worth the extra money just in the feel of the controls.  The separate line-level output is nice, too - I can drive a system DSP input to useful levels.  Don't ask how I know and NO, I don't take requests...  ::)
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Stephen Kirby on December 14, 2016, 05:59:40 pm
I was impressed by the X1 and the X5 is possibly better but either my ears or headphones aren't up to the difference.
You may not be able to tell though 7506s.  I showed a cinema location sound guy the difference between his and a pair of $99 Grado SR80s and he was stunned.  Of course, he can't use the open back Grado's for location recording, but now he has a decent SQ reference.
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: John Ferreira on December 17, 2016, 04:29:51 am
Lately I have been using this to EQ the system:

https://youtu.be/T3lpQ_-nh-s



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Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Scott Levine on December 26, 2016, 10:35:11 pm
U2 - I still haven't found...,  Buju Banton - first 2 tracks off Til Shiloh,  The Who - Baba O'Riley,  Van Morrison - Days Like This


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Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: John L Nobile on December 27, 2016, 11:42:39 am
Lately I have been using this to EQ the system:

https://youtu.be/T3lpQ_-nh-s



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That's really good.
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: christoffer hafer on March 26, 2017, 05:50:21 pm
Schwupps is back again
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Chris Grimshaw on April 07, 2017, 11:51:51 am
Lately I have been using this to EQ the system:

https://youtu.be/T3lpQ_-nh-s



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Not bad, but for some reason I really don't get on with the drums on that.
I like the mash-up and everything else, but the drums just don't sit right for me.

Chris
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: John Ferreira on April 09, 2017, 01:02:21 pm
Not bad, but for some reason I really don't get on with the drums on that.
I like the mash-up and everything else, but the drums just don't sit right for me.

Chris

Usually a helpful critic has more that just the "sitting well" knob, which most mixers do not have.
If you were to criticize in terms of Bass, Mids, Highs, effects, or even volume, than we would know what your opinion is.

Also please show us what tracks you would use.
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Chris Grimshaw on April 10, 2017, 05:18:35 am
Usually a helpful critic has more that just the "sitting well" knob, which most mixers do not have.
If you were to criticize in terms of Bass, Mids, Highs, effects, or even volume, than we would know what your opinion is.

Also please show us what tracks you would use.

I've already mentioned that Buena by Morphine would be my walk-up one-track to check/EQ a system. I also quite like Learn to Fly by the Foo Fighters.

With regards to the drums, I think it's a timing thing. Some parts, I feel like he's playing a different track. Around 8 to 13 seconds in, for instance, or just as he comes in around 1.04. I'd take the compressor off the snare (if there is one) and take it down around 3dB so the hits that are on-beat are louder than the rolls but both sit more in the mix rather than very much on top of everything else.
Or maybe I'm just not keen on that particular snare sound.

Chris
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Stelios Mac on May 09, 2017, 02:11:06 am
First track I'll ever play through the PA is American idiot by Green day (Off the Album, not Youtube, obviously).
Yes, it's got absolutely zero dynamics, yes it's a pop song, etc, etc, but it just always works for me.
CLA is a genius at mixing, if you hear something you don't like about how it sounds, it's the PA, 100% (Or maybe that's just the case with me, you need to find something that resembles your preferred mixing style & tonality).
And, maybe it's just me again, but the guitars almost resemble pink noise in the mids so you can tell what sounds off right away.
I always play some songs afterwards (Most of which have already been mentioned) but I rarely do any changes.
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Jerome Malsack on May 30, 2017, 08:14:22 am
First track I'll ever play through the PA is American idiot by Green day (Off the Album, not Youtube, obviously).
Yes, it's got absolutely zero dynamics, yes it's a pop song, etc, etc, but it just always works for me.
CLA is a genius at mixing, if you hear something you don't like about how it sounds, it's the PA, 100% (Or maybe that's just the case with me, you need to find something that resembles your preferred mixing style & tonality).
And, maybe it's just me again, but the guitars almost resemble pink noise in the mids so you can tell what sounds off right away.
I always play some songs afterwards (Most of which have already been mentioned) but I rarely do any changes.


I would disagree with it is the PA.  Reason being is if your outside and it sound great, Then when you take it into the Venue and it does not sound good, It is the venue and the acoustics of the room that changed the sound. 
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Stelios Mac on June 02, 2017, 02:28:49 am

I would disagree with it is the PA.  Reason being is if your outside and it sound great, Then when you take it into the Venue and it does not sound good, It is the venue and the acoustics of the room that changed the sound.

Well yeah, maybe I should rephrase that. "Not the song"? I don't know how to put it.

The thing is, it's going to reveal everything that's wrong with the system as a whole (including the room). It's not gonna "cover things up".
After I've fixed everything and made the PA sound good with this, I can go ahead and play various "pretty" sounding songs (Jennifer Warnes, Chris Isaak, and so on).

Those songs are superior in sound quality, but they pretty much cover everything up.
You'll be blown away if you listen to them through a pair of monitors with the lights off (What? Where's the monitors? I'm pretty sure there's a band in front of me!  ;D ) and you'll be able to tell a good and a bad PA apart, but you won't discover that annoying resonance at 2.5k that screws up your guitars & vocals...
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Adam Kane on July 10, 2017, 03:29:08 pm
Tons of good stuff here. Always good to learn about new music. Here's the stuff I use most often...not exhaustive, but this is the bulk of it.

Michael Ruff - Wishing Well
Chris Jones - No Sanctuary Here
Brian Simpson - And The Story Goes
Over The Rhine - Bothered
Chuck Loeb - Lockdown
Lou Rawls - Willow Weep For Me, God Bless The Child
Lorde - Royals
Richard Page - Shelter Me, If All Else Fails
Toto - Multiple cuts from Tambu
Yellowjackets - New Rochelle, Up From New Orleans
Zac Brown - Quiet Your Mind, No Hurry, Who Knows
Alice In Chains - Check My Brain, No Excuses
Lady Antebellum - Singing Me Home, Perfect Day
Alter Bridge - Come To Life, Before Tomorrow Comes
Eric Hutchinson - Rock & Roll (live), All Over Now (live)
Keb' Mo' - Lots of various cuts from Slow Down, The Door, and Blues Americana
Lizz Wright - Old Man, Trouble, Stop
Thousand Foot Crutch - We Are, Light Up The Sky
Several tracks from the Burning For Buddy albums
A few tracks from the Trolls movie soundtrack are great for sub/LF evaluation

I have a pretty eclectic taste in music...which works out well. If listening to a system for a live show, I try to pick something that somewhat resembles the genre that will be played...but not always. Obviously, certain tracks are better at diagnosing certain issues with the PA than others. A lot of my more critical listening material is WAV, the rest of it is MP3 no lower than 320Kbps. Although most of what I use to listen to a system is very nicely recorded material with a good dynamic range, sometimes I feel like I don't need that. If I'm walking a room to identify gaps or overlap in coverage, I think I can do that with FM radio playing as I'm listening to where it sounds different as opposed to how good it sounds everywhere. Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Caleb Dueck on October 30, 2017, 10:24:44 pm
When I was in college, it was always Dave Matthews Band "So Much to Say". 

Others I've used - GnR "Sweet Child of Mine" - mostly because I've heard it so many times.

Various Dave Matthews Band tracks.
Various Collective Soul tracks.

John Mayer - "Bigger than my Body"

More recently - Avenged Sevenfold "Hail to the King".  I just happen to like the sound of the drums, the guitars, the vocal. 

Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Mike Monte on December 28, 2017, 09:11:55 am
Hello all, and happy Thanksgiving!

I'm curious about what music tracks you all are using to demo PA systems or familiarize yourself with a system you're about to use.

I know the main idea is to use tracks you are very familiar with, so you can immediately recognize when certain sounds or details pop out at you on a new system, and recognize the characteristics of the system. I understand that this is not a replacement for measurement.

I'll share my playlist:

Aaron Neville: Louisiana 1927
Stevie Wonder: Sir Duke
Adele: He Won't Go
The Beatles: I Want You
Needtobreathe: Prisoner
Phish: Free
Queen: Bohemian Rhapsody
2Pac: I Get Around
Tonic: If You Could Only See
Stevie Wonder: Love's in Need of Love Today
Bob Marley: I Shot the Sheriff
AC/DC: Thunderstruck

I mainly put mine together based on songs I already own, trying to have a variety of genres, and making sure everything was fairly well produced. I wasn't very scientific about it.

Curious to see what you all are using!

Page One by Tower of Power. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB5tmptwhu8
I use the original CD. The tune has good drum kit sound (including HiHat) with a good representation of bass, vocals, horns, and guitar.
...oh...and I am a huge TOP fan...
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: David Allred on December 28, 2017, 06:13:09 pm
Would not a well produced live recording (Joe Bonamasa - Royal Albert, for example) serve better since compressed much less?
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Simon_Barrett on December 28, 2017, 07:59:46 pm
Hell freezes over version of Hotel California by the Eagles. There’s quite a lot of information in it but I especially like to test the kick of the subs with it.


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Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Tim McCulloch on December 28, 2017, 08:39:28 pm
Would not a well produced live recording (Joe Bonamasa - Royal Albert, for example) serve better since compressed much less?

Maybe?

I had a BE play some of the most tonally grating, compressed-to-death tracks as eval.

It suited the act he was working for.

Why play Steely Dan, for example, if it sounds acceptable on almost anything?
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: Mac Kerr on December 28, 2017, 08:48:44 pm
k.d. lang "Miss Chatelaine" from her album Ingenue. When her vocal sounds right the system sounds right.

Mac
Title: Re: PA Demo Track Playlist
Post by: John Lackner on August 26, 2018, 02:32:51 pm
Tina Turner - Goldeneye,
Tangerine Dream - Towards the Evening Star, the Angel of the West Window,
The Who-Tommy
Sound System By Steel Pulse. With a name like that an almost perfect choice.
Or anything recorded/produced by T-Bone Burnett.
For setting delays I use the Rei Momo album by David Byrne or Synchro
System by King Sunny Ade.