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Title: [SOLVED] NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Fernando Lucchesi on August 10, 2016, 04:47:02 pm
Greetings!

I recently acquired a YAMAHA 01v96i and I have no experience whatsoever with it.

Last week I closed a deal about operating the P.A. for a band with my console this next Friday, the problem is, I only got to look at the P.A. this afternoon, and it has no crossover, neither does the P.A. After thinking for a while and messing around the Studio Manager, I think I came to a solution, but I'm not sure it'll actually work, since my 01v is only arriving tomorrow and the P.A. will be assembled on the event's date, besides all that, I have no considerable experience with this console.

They'll be using a MONO P.A., so I thought in using equalizer in BUS1 and BUS2 to split the signal in the following manner:

The LOW FREQUENCIES to the BUS1 => STEREO OUT (L) and MID FREQUENCIES to the BUS2 => STEREO OUT (R).

1st - I would ROUTE all the channels to BUS1 and BUS2, besides removing their routing to STEREO OUT, so as to avoid unwanted frequencies coming out unsplitted through the P.A.

2nd - I would route BUS1 and BUS2 to STEREO OUT

3rd - I would put a Low-Pass Filter in the BUS1 (LOWS /L)'s equalizer and PAN it all the way to the LEFT

4th - I would put a High-Pass Filter in the BUS2 (MIDS /R)'s equalizer and PAN it all the way to the RIGHT


I would like to know if this settings would work, and if in the case it wouldn't, if you guys could help me to find a solution to this problem without crossover.

Thanks!


P.S.: Sorry about the broken english, I'm not a native speaker.
Title: Re: QUESTION - NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: TJ (Tom) Cornish on August 10, 2016, 05:05:52 pm
Greetings!

I recently acquired a YAMAHA 01v96i and I have no experience whatsoever with it.

Last week I closed a deal about operating the P.A. for a band with my console this next Friday, the problem is, I only got to look at the P.A. this afternoon, and it has no crossover, neither does the P.A. After thinking for a while and messing around the Studio Manager, I think I came to a solution, but I'm not sure it'll actually work, since my 01v is only arriving tomorrow and the P.A. will be assembled on the event's date, besides all that, I have no considerable experience with this console.

They'll be using a MONO P.A., so I thought in using equalizer in BUS1 and BUS2 to split the signal in the following manner:

The LOW FREQUENCIES to the BUS1 => STEREO OUT (L) and MID FREQUENCIES to the BUS2 => STEREO OUT (R).

1st - I would ROUTE all the channels to BUS1 and BUS2, besides removing their routing to STEREO OUT, so as to avoid unwanted frequencies coming out unsplitted through the P.A.

2nd - I would route BUS1 and BUS2 to STEREO OUT

3rd - I would put a Low-Pass Filter in the BUS1 (LOWS /L)'s equalizer and PAN it all the way to the LEFT

4th - I would put a High-Pass Filter in the BUS2 (MIDS /R)'s equalizer and PAN it all the way to the RIGHT


I would like to know if this settings would work, and if in the case it wouldn't, if you guys could help me to find a solution to this problem without crossover.

Thanks!


P.S.: Sorry about the broken english, I'm not a native speaker.
At a casual glance that sounds like it will work to a degree, however that's a pretty rudimentary crossover with a fixed slope (12dB/octave?).  Are you trying to split between mains and subwoofers, or between a woofer and a tweeter?  You will have better results between your mains and subs.  Using it between the mid and high band will be a poor result.

You will eventually want to have a real crossover.  Analog units like the dBX 223 are very cheap on the used market (less than $50 US), and digital crossovers aren't very much more than that.

What did the band do before you came?
Title: Re: QUESTION - NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Fernando Lucchesi on August 10, 2016, 05:17:21 pm
At a casual glance that sounds like it will work to a degree, however that's a pretty rudimentary crossover with a fixed slope (12dB/octave?).  Are you trying to split between mains and subwoofers, or between a woofer and a tweeter?  You will have better results between your mains and subs.  Using it between the mid and high band will be a poor result.

You will eventually want to have a real crossover.  Analog units like the dBX 223 are very cheap on the used market (less than $50 US), and digital crossovers aren't very much more than that.

What did the band do before you came?

I'm trying to split between 3Way Mains and Subs, I haven't yet tried the HPF frequencies, so I'll probably make it something more like a Medium/High-Pass-Filter.

I had two DCX2496 but they got stolen a couple of months ago along with my LH500, I'll have to figure it out until I can buy new ones...  :-\

Apparently the bands just plugged the whole thing going everywhere, no crossover, no equalizers, no filters, nothing... They're a pretty decent band, but their P.A. equipment isn't anything remotely close to adequate.

But, will these settings work? I'm very new to the 01V, I used to work with a LS9, but that's completely easy compared to the 01V with all the patching and routing involved...

Thanks!
Title: Re: QUESTION - NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: TJ (Tom) Cornish on August 10, 2016, 05:19:57 pm
I'm trying to split between 3Way Mains and Subs, I haven't yet tried the HPF frequencies, so I'll probably make it something more like a Medium/High-Pass-Filter.

I had two DCX2496 but they got stolen a couple of months ago along with my LH500, I'll have to figure it out until I can buy new ones...  :-\

Apparently the bands just plugged the whole thing going everywhere, no crossover, no equalizers, no filters, nothing... They're a pretty decent band, but their P.A. equipment isn't anything remotely close to adequate.

But, will these settings work? I'm very new to the 01V, I used to work with a LS9, but that's completely easy compared to the 01V with all the patching and routing involved...

Thanks!
It will work better than nothing, but it's a poor substitute to a real crossover.

The 01v96 is a very powerful console - especially considering it was released in 2003, but it lacks some of the more modern user interface elements (not that the LS9 was great).
Title: Re: QUESTION - NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Fernando Lucchesi on August 10, 2016, 05:26:17 pm
It will work better than nothing, but it's a poor substitute to a real crossover.

The 01v96 is a very powerful console - especially considering it was released in 2003, but it lacks some of the more modern user interface elements (not that the LS9 was great).

That's some great news, considering I have no experience with the 01V and I was able to figure it out.
The band will surely be satisfied, considering they had their bass coming out of their mains and hi-hats coming out of their subwoofers.

Not a great solution, probably not even half-decent, but I'll have to make it do until I can get my hands on some new crossovers.

Thank you, VERY MUCH, TOM, you were EXTREMELY HELPFUL, I was very unsure about these settings, since my lack of experience with the console and the narrow time frame.

I'll make sure to post my results about this in case some else need some reference in the future!

 ;D
Title: Re: QUESTION - NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Dave Garoutte on August 10, 2016, 05:50:30 pm
Get a driverack.  That's what it's for.  Why mickey mouse something with the console?
Title: Re: QUESTION - NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Fernando Lucchesi on August 10, 2016, 05:56:09 pm
Get a driverack.  That's what it's for.  Why mickey mouse something with the console?

Someone stole my crossovers and I didn't get to look at the P.A. until today, so I got no time to rent any...

Unfortunately I'll have to make it do with this

(http://i.imgur.com/hXKT23l.png)
Title: Re: QUESTION - NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Fernando Lucchesi on August 10, 2016, 06:10:46 pm
Both my LPF and HPF combined

(http://i.imgur.com/jeVOqqs.png)

Not optimal, but C'est la vie
Title: Re: QUESTION - NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on August 11, 2016, 06:07:02 am
Greetings!

I recently acquired a YAMAHA 01v96i and I have no experience whatsoever with it.

Last week I closed a deal about operating the P.A. for a band with my console this next Friday, the problem is, I only got to look at the P.A. this afternoon, and it has no crossover, neither does the P.A. After thinking for a while and messing around the Studio Manager, I think I came to a solution, but I'm not sure it'll actually work, since my 01v is only arriving tomorrow and the P.A. will be assembled on the event's date, besides all that, I have no considerable experience with this console.

They'll be using a MONO P.A., so I thought in using equalizer in BUS1 and BUS2 to split the signal in the following manner:

The LOW FREQUENCIES to the BUS1 => STEREO OUT (L) and MID FREQUENCIES to the BUS2 => STEREO OUT (R).

1st - I would ROUTE all the channels to BUS1 and BUS2, besides removing their routing to STEREO OUT, so as to avoid unwanted frequencies coming out unsplitted through the P.A.

2nd - I would route BUS1 and BUS2 to STEREO OUT

3rd - I would put a Low-Pass Filter in the BUS1 (LOWS /L)'s equalizer and PAN it all the way to the LEFT

4th - I would put a High-Pass Filter in the BUS2 (MIDS /R)'s equalizer and PAN it all the way to the RIGHT


I would like to know if this settings would work, and if in the case it wouldn't, if you guys could help me to find a solution to this problem without crossover.

Thanks!


P.S.: Sorry about the broken english, I'm not a native speaker.

I modeled both 100hz high pass and low pass filters with smaart for my o1v96 and it can be done quite well using 2 filters. I'll post the filters when I get home this evening. They very closely match a 4th order L/R filter in a DriveRack, Peavey CEX5, and a low cut filter in a Peavey analog crossover.

Douglas R. Allen

If you need this for next Friday I can post a bunch of pictures and idea's to make this work. I purchased one of the first 01v96's in 2003 and have used the filters off and on for years in just the same way you need them. Doing walk in's for a band and "Hey , where is the crossover..."
Title: Re: QUESTION - NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Fernando Lucchesi on August 11, 2016, 10:57:59 am
I modeled both 100hz high pass and low pass filters with smaart for my o1v96 and it can be done quite well using 2 filters. I'll post the filters when I get home this evening. They very closely match a 4th order L/R filter in a DriveRack, Peavey CEX5, and a low cut filter in a Peavey analog crossover.

Douglas R. Allen

If you need this for next Friday I can post a bunch of pictures and idea's to make this work. I purchased one of the first 01v96's in 2003 and have used the filters off and on for years in just the same way you need them. Doing walk in's for a band and "Hey , where is the crossover..."

Those are some nice graphs, Douglas. I would appreciate a lot if you could post some extra pictures for me to make some sense of it and maybe manage to make this sound a little decent.  :D
Title: Re: QUESTION - NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Don T. Williams on August 11, 2016, 12:00:24 pm
These are clever work arounds, but I'm just wondering, is it possible the PA system is active with all the amps and cross-over filters in the cabinets?  I don't understand how anyone could have ever used the system before without cross-overs! 

As a system owner, I would never, never, never send it out without having a cross-over/ system processor as part of the system.  I learned 30 years ago to have fixed cross-over points (not user adjustable) or a "locked" processor for anything I rented out.  If anybody can change things, they would!  I had a "national act" FOH engineer change the LF to Lo-Mid x-over point from 300 hz to 80 hz and blow 48  6.5" drivers because he didn't know what he was doing (or didn't care . . . or worse did it intentionally)!  It happened in the last 30 seconds of the encore and really didn't effect the show.  We were lucky???
Title: Re: QUESTION - NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Chris Hindle on August 11, 2016, 03:19:20 pm
These are clever work arounds, but I'm just wondering, is it possible the PA system is active with all the amps and cross-over filters in the cabinets?  I don't understand how anyone could have ever used the system before without cross-overs! 

As a system owner, I would never, never, never send it out without having a cross-over/ system processor as part of the system.  I learned 30 years ago to have fixed cross-over points (not user adjustable) or a "locked" processor for anything I rented out.  If anybody can change things, they would!  I had a "national act" FOH engineer change the LF to Lo-Mid x-over point from 300 hz to 80 hz and blow 48  6.5" drivers because he didn't know what he was doing (or didn't care . . . or worse did it intentionally)!  It happened in the last 30 seconds of the encore and really didn't effect the show.  We were lucky???

No, he blew your shit up on purpose.
Luck had nothing to do with it.
Chris.
Title: Re: QUESTION - NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: TJ (Tom) Cornish on August 11, 2016, 03:55:18 pm
No, he blew your shit up on purpose.
Luck had nothing to do with it.
Chris.
And this is why the world has largely moved to a black box processing model.
Title: Re: QUESTION - NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on August 11, 2016, 04:19:50 pm
Those are some nice graphs, Douglas. I would appreciate a lot if you could post some extra pictures for me to make some sense of it and maybe manage to make this sound a little decent.  :D

This is a wedding weekend for me. Practice tonight. Dinner Friday. Saturday the show. If you don't need the crossover information until next Friday I'll post what I have Sunday morning. Bunch of pictures an approaches.

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: QUESTION - NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on August 11, 2016, 04:24:17 pm
These are clever work arounds, but I'm just wondering, is it possible the PA system is active with all the amps and cross-over filters in the cabinets?  I don't understand how anyone could have ever used the system before without cross-overs! 

As a system owner, I would never, never, never send it out without having a cross-over/ system processor as part of the system.  I learned 30 years ago to have fixed cross-over points (not user adjustable) or a "locked" processor for anything I rented out.  If anybody can change things, they would!  I had a "national act" FOH engineer change the LF to Lo-Mid x-over point from 300 hz to 80 hz and blow 48  6.5" drivers because he didn't know what he was doing (or didn't care . . . or worse did it intentionally)!  It happened in the last 30 seconds of the encore and really didn't effect the show.  We were lucky???

I still run into bands that use EQ to "try" to crossover a system. Think SP2's and a pair of 18 inch subs. Left channel 100hz and below pulled out for tops. Right channel 100hz and above pulled out for subs. Then I look and the amps have a basic crossover in them.......

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: QUESTION - NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Don T. Williams on August 11, 2016, 05:08:03 pm
Chris, I think you are right.  +1 for T.J.  I don't think there were any "black box" processors available at that time.  Meyer came up with the first I saw soon after that.

I'm still curious about the "system" being rented in this thread.  Is it really a "system" of just a collection of boxes and amps.  If so, that's pretty scary IMO !  My advise is to look for a real system to rent! 
Title: Re: QUESTION - NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Fernando Lucchesi on August 11, 2016, 05:36:43 pm
This is a wedding weekend for me. Practice tonight. Dinner Friday. Saturday the show. If you don't need the crossover information until next Friday I'll post what I have Sunday morning. Bunch of pictures an approaches.

Douglas R. Allen

Actually, I meant this Friday (tomorrow), but don't, worry, Douglas, I can make it work with the information you provided. Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: QUESTION - NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Fernando Lucchesi on August 11, 2016, 06:02:26 pm
Chris, I think you are right.  +1 for T.J.  I don't think there were any "black box" processors available at that time.  Meyer came up with the first I saw soon after that.

I'm still curious about the "system" being rented in this thread.  Is it really a "system" of just a collection of boxes and amps.  If so, that's pretty scary IMO !  My advise is to look for a real system to rent!

Yeah, this is a really scary PA system, and to think the band has a pretty decent backline, JCM, Hartke, Pearl... They rented the PA from a guy downtown, he's a lighting technicians who ended up buying some cabinets so he could sell the whole smash instead of just renting lighting and L.E.D. dancing floors. The band contacted me after they heard this guy's PA without any x-over or EQ straight from a WATTSOM console (VERY LOW-END National Console).

These is what I'm dealing with...

(https://http2.mlstatic.com/pa-jhd-completo-ou-kits-separados-D_NQ_NP_507011-MLB20463172512_102015-F.jpg)

(https://http2.mlstatic.com/ciclotron-canais-mesa-som-D_NQ_NP_902711-MLB20615991396_032016-F.jpg)


(http://img.olx.com.br/images/51/519620014680536.jpg)


They though about renting my system instead, but unfortunately, I only own 4 "18 subwoofers and 6 2x6" lines (HIGH-END fortunately).

The problem is, I didn't get to look at the real situation until yesterday, so not enough time to get everything I need for this to sound half-decent

Title: Re: QUESTION - NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Mac Kerr on August 11, 2016, 06:15:22 pm
Chris, I think you are right.  +1 for T.J.  I don't think there were any "black box" processors available at that time.  Meyer came up with the first I saw soon after that.

At what time? Before founding Meyer Sound Labs John Meyer worked at McCune AV in San Fransisco (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCune_Audio/Video/Lighting). While there he developed several bi-amp and tri-amp systems that had "black box" processing. The McCune JM-3 was a tri-amped horn loaded speaker with 2 Altec 421 woofers, an Altec 290 compression driver on a 60x40 segmented horn, and 2 EV T350 tweeters. It had a dedicated amp rack with a Crown DC300 for the low, a DC150 for the mid, and a DC60 for the tweets. The crossover, system eq, and limiters were in a card frame mounted in the rack that had a panel to cover all the control. There was only a single pot on the input of each amp rack, no other controls. For its time it was an amazing speaker system and led to John Meyer founding MSL, and the Apogee 3x3.

I first ran into JM3s in the mid 1970s, the were first produced in 1971. The McCune SM3 was a 12" bi-amp cabinet with a similar drive system whose direct descendant is the Meyer UPA-1.

Mac
Title: Re: QUESTION - NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Stephen Kirby on August 11, 2016, 06:28:41 pm
How loud do they expect it?  How many of those boxes can you disconnect?
Title: Re: QUESTION - NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Fernando Lucchesi on August 11, 2016, 07:26:04 pm
How loud do they expect it?  How many of those boxes can you disconnect?

The place is booked for around 600 - 700 people, so they expect it pretty loud... Given the low performances boxes and amps, I'll try not to disconnect any, so I can work with the amps below the saturation limit...
Title: Re: QUESTION - NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on August 11, 2016, 08:24:17 pm
Actually, I meant this Friday (tomorrow), but don't, worry, Douglas, I can make it work with the information you provided. Thanks a lot!

Really quickly. If you want to cut 100hz and below out the mains and use an Post Fade Aux for subs.

Main eq.
TYPE 1 eq.
HPF Set to 212Hz
Low Mid set to 112 hz with Q set to 1.1 with an 8db boost. This will give you the 24 db per octave cut seen in the photo I posted.

In an Aux Out Master layer.
Type 1 eq.
LPF set to 53 hz.
Low Mid set to 100hz with a Q of 1.1 with a 6.5 db boost.
This will give you a 24 db per octave cut for the sub system.

With this 100hz and above for the mains, 100hz and below for the subs. You can also use the delay in the required bandpass to align the drivers if required. Wish I had time for more but I'm heading out!

Have a great gig and report back , with pictures!

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: QUESTION - NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Don T. Williams on August 12, 2016, 01:41:40 pm
Fernando, good luck with your event.  I'm betting you will make it work!  Let us know how it went.

Mac, of course you are correct about John Meyer.  The first "black box processors I knew about were for the UPA's, and I think that was right after my system got "trashed".  I later learned about John's history in the industry. 

Interestingly, around that time I received a lot of tech riders where engineers rejected any system with cross-over parameters that could not be full accessed (adjusted) by the engineers.  Some riders even named Meyer products specifically as "unacceptable".  Can you imagine? That was a long time ago.  My how things have changed, and I think for the better!
Title: Re: QUESTION - NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: TJ (Tom) Cornish on August 12, 2016, 02:33:40 pm
Interestingly, around that time I received a lot of tech riders where engineers rejected any system with cross-over parameters that could not be full accessed (adjusted) by the engineers.  Some riders even named Meyer products specifically as "unacceptable".  Can you imagine? That was a long time ago.  My how things have changed, and I think for the better!
There are still people who expect this, including at least one poster on this board. 

This has been discussed before - BEs feel that system techs are incompetent, and system techs feel that BEs are incompetent, thus the battle, and there are examples of truth on each side of the issue.

I'm happy to let a BE adjust the system tuning as long as the black box presets are still applied, however it's not worth the hassle to go farther than that - I'd rather turn down a show than to sort out broken gear and who pays for it.
Title: Re: QUESTION - NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Fernando Lucchesi on August 16, 2016, 02:19:37 pm
Really quickly. If you want to cut 100hz and below out the mains and use an Post Fade Aux for subs.

Main eq.
TYPE 1 eq.
HPF Set to 212Hz
Low Mid set to 112 hz with Q set to 1.1 with an 8db boost. This will give you the 24 db per octave cut seen in the photo I posted.

In an Aux Out Master layer.
Type 1 eq.
LPF set to 53 hz.
Low Mid set to 100hz with a Q of 1.1 with a 6.5 db boost.
This will give you a 24 db per octave cut for the sub system.

With this 100hz and above for the mains, 100hz and below for the subs. You can also use the delay in the required bandpass to align the drivers if required. Wish I had time for more but I'm heading out!

Have a great gig and report back , with pictures!

Douglas R. Allen

Hey, Douglas, Don. Sorry for the absence. It has been a very long weekend. Well, you'll be happy to know everything turned out alright (except for the microphone feedback I was getting in the beginning given the excessive amount of of monitor in that small stage (4 floor monitors, 2 side monitors, plus 4 lines on the ceiling), your EQ settings worked really well, although I noticed I could steepen the slope a little bit more if I change it to a TYPE 2 EQ, not enough to be noticeable, but still, I needed all the help I could get.

We had some last minute changes with the P.A. system, but still, no X-over

Here you can see the difference in the output signal since LOWs were coming out of the LEFT STEREO OUT and MIDS out of the RIGHT one.

(http://i.imgur.com/Mx32A52.jpg)

Here's me by the right side of the stage trying to make things work. LOL

(http://i.imgur.com/mBCu9JN.jpg)

Here some other pictures of the PA system and lighting

(http://i.imgur.com/1sQZecY.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/PxNZRvv.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/4DsY3tg.jpg)

Now, here's a little mixing I did with the recordings I did that night. Man, this 16 tracks USB recording is a beautiful thing. The song is in Portuguese, but I guess that's not really the point. My favourite part is the backing vocals around 2:55, let me know what you guys think about it!

http://picosong.com/DTQ4/

Thanks for the help guys, I'll sure keep pestering all of you for a while!  :D
Title: Re: [SOLVED] NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Thomas Le on August 16, 2016, 03:56:57 pm
Off topic, Why are majority of the faders pegged to the +10 area?
Title: Re: [SOLVED] NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Fernando Lucchesi on August 16, 2016, 06:19:29 pm
Off topic, Why are majority of the faders pegged to the +10 area?

If you're talking about the last 5 faders, those are the buses 4-8, they weren't even ON, not sure why they're maxed out like that though... As for the AUXs, the vocalists were pretty deaf and kept asking for more monitor volume...
Title: Re: QUESTION - NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on August 16, 2016, 06:24:32 pm


Now, here's a little mixing I did with the recordings I did that night. Man, this 16 tracks USB recording is a beautiful thing. The song is in Portuguese, but I guess that's not really the point. My favourite part is the backing vocals around 2:55, let me know what you guys think about it!

http://picosong.com/DTQ4/

Thanks for the help guys, I'll sure keep pestering all of you for a while!  :D
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Nice recording for the night.  If I remember right I used type 1 to get as close as I could to a L/R filter. Type 2 as you say is a slightly steeper slope but I could get a closer L/R filter using type 1.
Glad things went well!
Put up another recording should you get a chance.

Douglas R. Allen

As a side note you can select your view of the meters on the meters page. You can select Pre Fade and eq , post eq , or post fade. This may give you better levels to keep those faders closer to 0db. (if you want)

Title: Re: [SOLVED] NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on August 16, 2016, 06:26:31 pm
If you're talking about the last 5 faders, those are the buses 4-8, they weren't even ON, not sure why they're maxed out like that though... As for the AUXs, the vocalists were pretty deaf and kept asking for more monitor volume...

Ahh, you were on the Master Layer and those were the Monitor Master sends. Explains a lot!

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: [SOLVED] NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on August 16, 2016, 06:50:01 pm
Off topic somewhat but my wedding turned out great. Mixed with the tablet and left the mixer just inside the trailer. Should you get a chance look into AirFader for your mixer. Learning curve but well worth it!
Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: QUESTION - NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Fernando Lucchesi on August 16, 2016, 09:42:04 pm

Now, here's a little mixing I did with the recordings I did that night. Man, this 16 tracks USB recording is a beautiful thing. The song is in Portuguese, but I guess that's not really the point. My favourite part is the backing vocals around 2:55, let me know what you guys think about it!

http://picosong.com/DTQ4/

Thanks for the help guys, I'll sure keep pestering all of you for a while!  :D


Nice recording for the night.  If I remember right I used type 1 to get as close as I could to a L/R filter. Type 2 as you say is a slightly steeper slope but I could get a closer L/R filter using type 1.
Glad things went well!
Put up another recording should you get a chance.

Douglas R. Allen

As a side note you can select your view of the meters on the meters page. You can select Pre Fade and eq , post eq , or post fade. This may give you better levels to keep those faders closer to 0db. (if you want)

Yep, when I discovered I could use the meters pos-faders I was so happy! LOL

Here's another mixing, I'm pretty sure you guys know this one... I still need to turn the drums and guitar way down (my monitors suck).

The drums seem a little bit loud and dull. I guess it's because of the compressor on the BUS channel. I'll check it out tomorrow...

http://picosong.com/DatF/
Title: Re: [SOLVED] NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Don T. Williams on August 16, 2016, 11:13:16 pm
Fernando, happy your event was successful.
Title: Re: [SOLVED] NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Fernando Lucchesi on August 17, 2016, 12:17:41 am
Off topic somewhat but my wedding turned out great. Mixed with the tablet and left the mixer just inside the trailer. Should you get a chance look into AirFader for your mixer. Learning curve but well worth it!
Douglas R. Allen



That's awesome, Douglas. Actually, I forgot to mention, I used Airfader that night. I just requested a free trial and I found it very adequate, although every time I heard a microphone feedback I ran back to the physical console, but yet, I found extremely helpful through the sound check, since very rarely I get to position the console directly ahead of the P.A.

I used to have a DL1608, since remotely controlling the mixer has turned into the new Big Thing, even small bands are requesting them now. Unfortunately I couldn't get used to it since I've had such bad experiences with it, especially with this Mackie product, I found it to be too much unreliable. The damn thing stopped working on me several times, and since I live in a small town of a third world country, there's no authorized assistance anywhere near. After 6 months with the damn thing sitting on the corner collecting dust  I decided to sell it. Actually, not even the guys who sell them know exactly where they go when they have to get them fixed. I think we all can agree guys in our line of work can't depend on something remotely unreliable.

About Airfader, US$ 99 feels a little salty right now. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any free option so far, I'll keep searching before I settle for Airdfader, but one thing I'm sure about is, I'm definitely sticking with my 01V, the damn things feels like a war horse.
Title: Re: [SOLVED] NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Fernando Lucchesi on August 17, 2016, 12:19:31 am
Fernando, happy your event was successful.

Thanks, Don! You guys helped a LOT!
Title: Re: [SOLVED] NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Jano Svitok on August 17, 2016, 04:32:53 am
Fernando, check the yahoo 01v96 group, you'll find lots of great information there.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/01v96/info
Title: Re: [SOLVED] NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Diogo Nunes Pereira on August 17, 2016, 09:54:59 am



Unfortunately, I couldn't find any free option so far, I'll keep searching before I settle for Airdfader, but one thing I'm sure about is, I'm definitely sticking with my 01V, the damn things feels like a war horse.

Studio Manager running online on a PC with the 01V and TeamViewer (or VNC) as PC remote from the iPad have worked for me many, many times during soundcheck. Didn't get to try Airfader. It's been a while since I ran a show (with more than 3 channels: CD+Speech mic) on a 01V...

Gotta love the 01v though... Years ago we had a rig with 16 extra Behringer preamps on an adat card (2x ADA8000) + 4 TL Audio tube preamps on channels 13>16. Lots of bands and cabaret shows in squat houses and small town shows using this system . Most of the time, with input channel count to the max. 01v performed fine every time...

Still, a small wifi router travels with me every gig for many years and the VNC/iPad combo is as useful as ever during system running and soundcheck (smart remote, LA Network Manager, etc...)

Boa sorte com a 01

Sent from my Xylophone using Tapatalk...

Title: Re: [SOLVED] NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Fernando Lucchesi on August 17, 2016, 12:48:50 pm
Fernando, check the yahoo 01v96 group, you'll find lots of great information there.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/01v96/info

Thanks, Jano. I'll make sure to check it out!
Title: Re: [SOLVED] NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Fernando Lucchesi on August 17, 2016, 12:53:21 pm

Studio Manager running online on a PC with the 01V and TeamViewer (or VNC) as PC remote from the iPad have worked for me many, many times during soundcheck. Didn't get to try Airfader. It's been a while since I ran a show (with more than 3 channels: CD+Speech mic) on a 01V...

Gotta love the 01v though... Years ago we had a rig with 16 extra Behringer preamps on an adat card (2x ADA8000) + 4 TL Audio tube preamps on channels 13>16. Lots of bands and cabaret shows in squat houses and small town shows using this system . Most of the time, with input channel count to the max. 01v performed fine every time...

Still, a small wifi router travels with me every gig for many years and the VNC/iPad combo is as useful as ever during system running and soundcheck (smart remote, LA Network Manager, etc...)

Boa sorte com a 01

Sent from my Xylophone using Tapatalk...

Hey, Diogo!

I tried using TeamViewer, but I found its response too slow and clumsy. I'll try it again when my trail period on the AirFader runs out. You should definitely check it out, it's really awesome, even for small gigs, its quick response and easy access to the main features of the console are really great.
Title: Re: [SOLVED] NEED HELP - Desperately needing help to split frequencies (01V96i)
Post by: Scott Holtzman on August 17, 2016, 02:32:28 pm
Hey, Diogo!

I tried using TeamViewer, but I found its response too slow and clumsy. I'll try it again when my trail period on the AirFader runs out. You should definitely check it out, it's really awesome, even for small gigs, its quick response and easy access to the main features of the console are really great.

Teamviewer uses the Internet.  Don't use Teamviewer.  Use something that uses the LAN as transport.  VNC is lightweight and works very well.  Set static addresses on everything outside the scope of the DHCP server.