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Title: Kids-here is an old vocal mic technique
Post by: Ivan Beaver on April 10, 2016, 09:13:03 am
Many times multiple mics were used.  Here is a link to Free in 1970

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydItRbb0b1E
Title: Re: Kids-here is an old vocal mic technique
Post by: Micheal Schriner on April 10, 2016, 04:37:40 pm
I always was told one mic was for the recording and one was for the PA. Here is another.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hRavC8CjRL0
Title: Re: Kids-here is an old vocal mic technique
Post by: Ivan Beaver on April 10, 2016, 06:12:24 pm
I always was told one mic was for the recording and one was for the PA. Here is another.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hRavC8CjRL0
That is what I  have heard.  But in the Free video,it looks like there are 3 mics, 2 with windscreens.

What is interesting is that at Woodstock, they recorded it, and just used 1 mic per vocal.

I guess there was no "Standard", or else something else was going on.  I don't know for sure-but have wondered for years.
Title: Re: Kids-here is an old vocal mic technique
Post by: Micheal Schriner on April 10, 2016, 06:54:37 pm
I didn't catch the mic taped backwards. Maybe it's so he can hear the crowd in his in ear monitors...  Jk. My guess would be its a backup mic but that's just a guess.
Title: Re: Kids-here is an old vocal mic technique
Post by: Kevin McDonough on April 10, 2016, 07:02:05 pm
That is what I  have heard.  But in the Free video,it looks like there are 3 mics, 2 with windscreens.

What is interesting is that at Woodstock, they recorded it, and just used 1 mic per vocal.

I guess there was no "Standard", or else something else was going on.  I don't know for sure-but have wondered for years.

I'm not totally sure if that's a third mic.

There is the obvious silver one with no wind shield.

But the rest of it seems to be a single mic, that for some reason has a windshield over the transducer end, and also for some reason over the XLR entry end. The XLR (or whatever cable it would have been back then) seems to go straight into the bottom windshield, rather than that being the head of a third mic.  Is most obvious in a good close up around 1:16 to 1:18.  And it only looks to be two cables coming from the taped together rig, not three.

He seems to sing exclusivly into the silver one, and the black with the windshield captures his voice a little more off axis, so could be a recording mic, or maybe without a splitter system to duplicate the output, maybe the second mic is for the wedges? Or even if the desks of that time couldn't "send" a second copy of an output to what would have been a very basic FX unit, something like that?

k


Title: Re: Kids-here is an old vocal mic technique
Post by: Steve M Smith on April 11, 2016, 03:12:16 am
I also always assumed the second mic was for recording.

The IW festival was mixed on about five Watkins (WEM) Audiomaster mixers.  There wouldn't have been the facility to do a separate mix for the recording so I suspect a main mix plus separate vocals was used.

The PA was provided by WEM and Charlie Watkins was there himself to oversee it.  However, he didn't have enough equipment to cover it so The Who's PA was used as well.


Steve.
Title: Re: Kids-here is an old vocal mic technique
Post by: Milt Hathaway on April 11, 2016, 05:55:32 am
There are only two mics there. That second mic for the film recording feed was an AKG 224E, which had a second element at the connector end of the mic. For that reason the mic needed two windscreens, one for each element.

https://martinmitchellsmicrophones.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/akg-d224e-circa-1970-the-best-dynamic-microphone-ever-made/
Title: Re: Kids-here is an old vocal mic technique
Post by: lindsay Dean on April 11, 2016, 03:48:19 pm
 noise reduction
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul10/articles/qa0710_4.htm
Title: Re: Kids-here is an old vocal mic technique
Post by: Gordon Brinton on July 06, 2016, 05:21:05 pm
Apparently, it was being done in 1966 too.