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Title: Favorite speaker system to mix on in a theatre
Post by: Malek Pallie on October 02, 2015, 03:01:20 pm
Has this question been asked before? Of course! But...I am helping the management of a large (3500 seats) performing arts style space which is looking to upgrade their FOH system make this decision, and they are getting a lot of conflicting information from different vendors about what is the "best" system for them.

Floor is approximately 220' wide at the widest and 120' deep, balcony is 250' at the widest and 75' deep. Ceiling height from deck to ceiling is 75'.

I am of the opinion that any professional product that is well deployed will work for their needs, but of course, there are vendors who would like them to be married to the particular brand which they deal in, and so they sell it as "the best".

This space hosts a variety of events, including classical orchestras, rock, bluegrass, and pop bands, and spoken word events, so versatility is important.

The bids which are being considered at this phase are all the same configuration (for a fair comparison, as much as is possible):

- 2 hangs of 12 boxes each side
- 4 front fills on stage
- Subs on the floor

Presumably, a 48in 16 out console will be part of the upgrade (but that is a subject for another post).

Did I miss anything? 

I would like as many professional mix engineers as possible on this forum to vote so that I can either show that I am wrong and there actually is one brand which most engineers prefer, or that the preferences at this level of product are quite evenly spread out based on personal taste.

Thanks all!
Title: Re: Preference of system for Mixing on.
Post by: Scott Holtzman on October 02, 2015, 03:31:03 pm
Has this question been asked before? Of course! But...I am helping the management of a large (3500 seats) performing arts style space which is looking to upgrade their FOH system make this decision, and they are getting a lot of conflicting information from different vendors about what is the "best" system for them.

I am of the opinion that any professional product that is well deployed will work for their needs, but of course, there are vendors who would like them to be married to the particular brand which they deal in, and so they sell it as "the best".

This space hosts a variety of events, including classical orchestras, rock, bluegrass, and pop bands, and spoken word events, so versatility is important.

The bids which are being considered at this phase are all the same configuration (for a fair comparison, as much as is possible):

- 2 hangs of 12 boxes each side
- 4 front fills on stage
- Subs on the floor

Presumably, a 48in 16 out console will be part of the upgrade (but that is a subject for another post).

Did I miss anything? 

I would like as many professional mix engineers as possible on this forum to vote so that I can either show that I am wrong and there actually is one brand which most engineers prefer, or that the preferences at this level of product are quite evenly spread out based on personal taste.

Thanks all!

Can't answer with the data you have given.  I am interested to know how you have determined how many boxes need to be in your line if you haven't specified the boxes.  Additionally are you locked into an array style product?  Depending on your room a point source solution may be more economical and offer vastly improved fidelity due to the reduction in destructive interference.

A discussion on the space, both dimensions and treatments, the desired reproduction range and the level required at different location in the venue.

BTW you posted in the LAB, for the folks in here 3500 seats is a small room.  A moderator will determine however I think this question should be in the lounge.
Title: Re: Preference of system for Mixing on.
Post by: Art Welter on October 02, 2015, 04:10:01 pm
I am interested to know how you have determined how many boxes need to be in your line if you haven't specified the boxes.
Scott,

The OP specified the line array boxes in the poll. Whether line arrays will cover the room as well as point source boxes is another issue, but there are only three choices, and no "other".

The fact this is a poll would have been more clear if stated in the title.
"Preference of system for Mixing on" made me think the thread was going to ask for a preference of mixing consoles, not a choice between 3 line arrays.

Art
Title: Re: Preference of system for Mixing on.
Post by: Tim McCulloch on October 02, 2015, 04:17:48 pm
Greetings Malek-

Operator preferences change with the individual, and that persons preferences can change daily, weekly, or yearly.  Most of the artist engineers I work with have more significant interest regarding consoles than speaker systems until one reaches the level of artist touring with their own leased system.

Most band engineers are also attracted by "shiny and new".  Right now the "flavor of the month" is the l'Acoustic K1.   By January it might be a new d&b model or Martin might debut a new system... and the loyalties and preferences will change.

I'm in a city civic/performing arts center today as a local A1.  I'm mixing on a 30 year old EV installation and neither I nor the facility clients have any say in what is used, purchased and installed.  If any client wants a more sophisticated rig they can hire one and bring it in.  This is exactly what my venue faced with the prospect of installing a new speaker system in the 2200 seat concert hall.  The main clients in that room are the symphony (announcing only), opera (discreet reinforcement and announcements) and summer stock musical theatre (who refuses to use the house rig, no matter what it might be, because they "don't want to tie the hands of our designers.").  Accordingly the City isn't particularly interested in spending US$300,000 on PA.

Your model is different, but realize that any choice made today will likely be out of favor by the time it's used the second time.
Title: Re: Preference of system for Mixing on.
Post by: Robert Healey on October 02, 2015, 04:19:21 pm
BTW you posted in the LAB, for the folks in here 3500 seats is a small room.  A moderator will determine however I think this question should be in the lounge.

3500 is huge for an indoor theater type venue. If you are considering indoor spaces only, aside from arena tours there are plenty of a-list acts playing in rooms smaller than that.
Title: Re: Preference of system for Mixing on.
Post by: Ray Aberle on October 02, 2015, 04:22:05 pm
Big red flag for me is that it sounds like the OP is helping the management out, but isn't the audio consultant hired for the job. There should be someone who is hired in to guide management in determining their needs, figuring out the budget, making sure that the system will meet the riders (if applicable) of any touring acts that might hit the PAC, and THEN start looking at brands. Modeling the room, ensuring that the package will work as advertised and (of course) post sale support are all things that this audio consultant could and should be doing as a part of their contract. That way, you have a "versed in the industry" advocate that will help PAC management to review and compare the offerings from different manufacturers, so you select the best product for the job, and not what a particular vendor is trying to sell you.

-Ray
Title: Re: Preference of system for Mixing on.
Post by: Malek Pallie on October 02, 2015, 04:29:02 pm
Can't answer with the data you have given.  I am interested to know how you have determined how many boxes need to be in your line if you haven't specified the boxes.  Additionally are you locked into an array style product?  Depending on your room a point source solution may be more economical and offer vastly improved fidelity due to the reduction in destructive interference.

A discussion on the space, both dimensions and treatments, the desired reproduction range and the level required at different location in the venue.

BTW you posted in the LAB, for the folks in here 3500 seats is a small room.  A moderator will determine however I think this question should be in the lounge.

You make some good points Scott. I am editing my original post to reflect some of the information which you requested.

In terms of why I have determined the number of boxes and a Line Array solution, here is the short(er) answer: The venue management and governing board has determined that due to aesthetics and the importance of site-lines for viewing IMAG screens, the arrays need to stay within a certain length, and cannot hang lower than a particular height. So, their current preferred vendor supplied a demo system and quote from one of the manufacturers listed above which met these criteria while providing even coverage, improved clarity, range, and SPL than their existing system. Having satisfied themselves that this type of system can meet their needs while at the same time maintaining site-lines, they wanted to compare systems that are similar in output and physical dimensions so that they can make a fair comparison of various systems. They received several proposals from different installers, and determined that due to the credentials of the installers and the rider acceptability of the products being proposed, these three systems will be the final three being considered. Do I know that they are limiting their options with how the system designers have been pigeonholed through this bid process? Yes, but due to the nature of how projects get approved in this particular situation, this is the way that their RFP evaluation process for this project has to work.

Being one of the regular mix engineers here, some of the stakeholders brought me in to help advise them on my recommendations.
 
Frankly, I am using this poll to take the current temperature of what people would most like to see in this type of venue when they show up to mix because one of the vendors is using the selling point "brand X is the best, so you should only consider our bid if you want the best". I personally would have no problem mixing on either of these systems if it is properly deployed and matched to the room, and think most engineers are this way, but everyone generally has one that they prefer just a little more than the others.
Title: Re: Preference of system for Mixing on.
Post by: Malek Pallie on October 02, 2015, 04:37:57 pm

"Preference of system for Mixing on" made me think the thread was going to ask for a preference of mixing consoles, not a choice between 3 line arrays.

Art

Good point Art. I have edited it to make more sense (I think). Thanks!
Title: Re: Preference of system for Mixing on.
Post by: Stephen Kirby on October 02, 2015, 04:45:18 pm
One problem with a public poll like this, is that even though you put it in the Lab, it can be voted on by people who've never used any such system, and are just repeating internet buzz.

Or by people who have used or specified one of the systems.  In which case you're asking them to confirm their already arrived at opinion.  I personally have never mixed on any of these in such a venue, but I have spent similar budgets and more on factory equipment in my day job.  When I ask for references I know I'm going to get happy customers.  My first question to the ones I contact is "What else have you used?  How recently?"  Those that have a good cross section of experience and can intelligently discuss the ins and outs of the various options are worth talking to.  The others are just confirmation bias and I cut those calls short.

Maybe a better way to put it out there is to ask if anyone has mixed on all three systems in good sized halls having the basic acoustics of your venue (live concert hall, dead theatre, etc?) for the kinds of acts you are looking at (don't see any EDM or death metal), and then asking them publicly or privately about the good and bad points of each option.
Title: Re: Preference of system for Mixing on.
Post by: Malek Pallie on October 02, 2015, 04:51:06 pm
Greetings Malek-

Operator preferences change with the individual, and that persons preferences can change daily, weekly, or yearly.  Most of the artist engineers I work with have more significant interest regarding consoles than speaker systems until one reaches the level of artist touring with their own leased system.

Most band engineers are also attracted by "shiny and new".  Right now the "flavor of the month" is the l'Acoustic K1.   By January it might be a new d&b model or Martin might debut a new system... and the loyalties and preferences will change.

I'm in a city civic/performing arts center today as a local A1.  I'm mixing on a 30 year old EV installation and neither I nor the facility clients have any say in what is used, purchased and installed.  If any client wants a more sophisticated rig they can hire one and bring it in.  This is exactly what my venue faced with the prospect of installing a new speaker system in the 2200 seat concert hall.  The main clients in that room are the symphony (announcing only), opera (discreet reinforcement and announcements) and summer stock musical theatre (who refuses to use the house rig, no matter what it might be, because they "don't want to tie the hands of our designers.").  Accordingly the City isn't particularly interested in spending US$300,000 on PA.

Your model is different, but realize that any choice made today will likely be out of favor by the time it's used the second time.

I totally understand what you are saying Tim. There are a lot of different systems which different engineers prefer, and there are some guys who always think that what they have in their truck is "better" than what is installed, so there is no pleasing anyone. I guess the L-Acoustics and D&B are already old and obsolete according to some people, but something has to be put in, so I guess we will have to make a choice. I'm just looking for a way to show that there is no "best" brand, and that different people have different preferences and that at this level opinion is varied on preference. 
Title: Re: Preference of system for Mixing on.
Post by: Malek Pallie on October 02, 2015, 04:58:58 pm
Big red flag for me is that it sounds like the OP is helping the management out, but isn't the audio consultant hired for the job. There should be someone who is hired in to guide management in determining their needs, figuring out the budget, making sure that the system will meet the riders (if applicable) of any touring acts that might hit the PAC, and THEN start looking at brands. Modeling the room, ensuring that the package will work as advertised and (of course) post sale support are all things that this audio consultant could and should be doing as a part of their contract. That way, you have a "versed in the industry" advocate that will help PAC management to review and compare the offerings from different manufacturers, so you select the best product for the job, and not what a particular vendor is trying to sell you.

-Ray

You make some good points, Ray. Thanks for your thoughts! There is a system design consultant that one of the main stakeholders has hired to help with this process, but I have been brought in by one of the other stakeholders because they think I am good mix engineer (not sure what gave them that impression  ;D) and I do production management at premier local venue, and as such they value my input. 
Title: Re: Favorite speaker system to mix on in a theatre
Post by: Tim McCulloch on October 02, 2015, 05:51:41 pm
At the level of JBL VTX, l'Acoustic K2/K,1, d&b J, etc. there aren't really clear winners or losers.  While still competent rigs, anything installed today will be out of favor (with someone) next year.  The things that make a difference in portable use (rigging, truck pack, handling, powering) are mostly irrelevant in an installation.

You almost can't go wrong with any "A List" model so I'd cast my vote for the rig that comes with the best local support and occasional cross-hiring of subs, front fills or other supplemental items.
Title: Re: Favorite speaker system to mix on in a theatre
Post by: Scott Holtzman on October 02, 2015, 07:55:46 pm
Scott,

The OP specified the line array boxes in the poll. Whether line arrays will cover the room as well as point source boxes is another issue, but there are only three choices, and no "other".

The fact this is a poll would have been more clear if stated in the title.
"Preference of system for Mixing on" made me think the thread was going to ask for a preference of mixing consoles, not a choice between 3 line arrays.

Art
Maybe I am dumb as a rock today but even with the OP's edits I still don't see a poll or any vendors hardware specified.  This would have changed my post completely.

Perhaps I should stay clearly in my are of best knowledge as my comments seem to be off base.

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Title: Re: Favorite speaker system to mix on in a theatre
Post by: Jason Raboin on October 02, 2015, 08:57:49 pm
I don't think many people have mixed on Leopard yet.  It was just introduced. 

Kara was introduced in 2010, I think.  So it's already 5 years old.  How long before L'acoustics releases a newer replacement?  That will be when tours will start to ask for something else.  V came out in 2012, and Leopard, as I said, just came out.

Leopard and Kara are both 2 way systems, 9" and 8" respectively.  V are 3 way 10" passive.  V should have the better pattern control and higher max. SPL. 

All 3 have excellent control software, but Meyer got rid of the array correction feature in Callisto.  I prefer to control and tune in R1 or LA Network Manager with a slight edge to LA Network Manager.  But if you can afford one amp channel per V, you can use the ArrayProcessing function, which is similar to what Martin MLA does.

It's a tough call, and one that is really dependent on a lot of criteria, but with the information you have given, I would go with V series, especially if you can get one amp channel per box.
Title: Re: Favorite speaker system to mix on in a theatre
Post by: Chris Johnson [UK] on October 03, 2015, 10:39:04 am
I completely understand the compromise of this situation as a whole, and I've been involved in many baffling RFT processes with various companies and venues, so I feel your pain.

Fully acknowledging that there isn't enough info here to make a well informed call, I would go with d&b V based on the following factors:
1. Sonically i prefer V to the other brands listed.
2. Array processing is a great tool, so thats a good bonus if you can get it.
3. Its newer than Kara, and has more useful options in terms of both horizontal dispersion and splay angle. Kara makes a great K1 df, I'm not a massive fan of it as a system as a whole.
4. The d&b subs, particularly the v-sub, I would take over a sub by L'acoustics any day. In fact, IMHO, I feel like the L'acoustics subs let the team down a bit, especially at the lower end of their lineup

It goes without saying that you need whatever system you go with to have good local support
Title: Re: Favorite speaker system to mix on in a theatre
Post by: Jean-Pierre Coetzee on October 04, 2015, 08:42:52 am
Sitting in a similar situation to you I will give you my experience.

Go with the manufacturer that you believe will be installed correctly and will give you continued support.

Other than that I feel that between the Meyer and the D&B both are good boxes, I don't like how the kara sounds but that's because I'm biased.
Title: Re: Favorite speaker system to mix on in a theatre
Post by: Rob Spence on October 04, 2015, 02:37:42 pm
Maybe I am dumb as a rock today but even with the OP's edits I still don't see a poll or any vendors hardware specified.  This would have changed my post completely.

Perhaps I should stay clearly in my are of best knowledge as my comments seem to be off base.

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I don't think us Tapatalk users see the poll.


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Title: Re: Favorite speaker system to mix on in a theatre
Post by: Kyle Gerhart on October 04, 2015, 03:06:37 pm
Has this question been asked before? Of course! But...I am helping the management of a large (3500 seats) performing arts style space which is looking to upgrade their FOH system make this decision, and they are getting a lot of conflicting information from different vendors about what is the "best" system for them.

Floor is approximately 220' wide at the widest and 120' deep, balcony is 250' at the widest and 75' deep. Ceiling height from deck to ceiling is 75'.

I am of the opinion that any professional product that is well deployed will work for their needs, but of course, there are vendors who would like them to be married to the particular brand which they deal in, and so they sell it as "the best".

This space hosts a variety of events, including classical orchestras, rock, bluegrass, and pop bands, and spoken word events, so versatility is important.

The bids which are being considered at this phase are all the same configuration (for a fair comparison, as much as is possible):

- 2 hangs of 12 boxes each side
- 4 front fills on stage
- Subs on the floor

Presumably, a 48in 16 out console will be part of the upgrade (but that is a subject for another post).

Did I miss anything? 

I would like as many professional mix engineers as possible on this forum to vote so that I can either show that I am wrong and there actually is one brand which most engineers prefer, or that the preferences at this level of product are quite evenly spread out based on personal taste.

Thanks all!

I mix an almost identical room to the spec's that you have listed on a regular basis. Our venue has a Clair 208 rig installed with 8 box's per side with two single 18"subs flown. We have two double 18" subs in the floor, as well as 4 front fills. Clair also installed eight delay fills for under and over the balcony. The system is tuned to the room quite nicely. Having the delay fills run off of a matrix in the BSS processor makes the room very easy and natural to mix. The flown subs are tied into the main L&R of the system,ground stack subs and front fills are on an Aux's. Overall if you have a system that is tuned and time aligned properly, you should get good coverage in the venue.

We have an SC48 at FOH, which also meets your spec's. Personally not my favorite sounding console, but it is extremely rider friendly and great for guest engineers.

As to my opinion on what PA to go with, I tend to lean towards the Meyer way of thinking. I like very linear systems, especially in a venue that is going to have multiple genres. I have had nothing but success whenever I have mixed on one of their systems that was set up and tuned properly.

Just my 2 cents.






Title: Re: Favorite speaker system to mix on in a theatre
Post by: Rick Earl on October 04, 2015, 10:13:14 pm
At the level of JBL VTX, l'Acoustic K2/K,1, d&b J, etc. there aren't really clear winners or losers.  While still competent rigs, anything installed today will be out of favor (with someone) next year.  The things that make a difference in portable use (rigging, truck pack, handling, powering) are mostly irrelevant in an installation.

You almost can't go wrong with any "A List" model so I'd cast my vote for the rig that comes with the best local support and occasional cross-hiring of subs, front fills or other supplemental items.

I think this says it all.  When  I was touring and HAD to have something, I brought it with me.   For many tours, the A-List  installed "racks and stacks" will have to do.  Now that I am in a venue, I am much more concerned with service.  I've yet to have an act refuse my PA, but I also have a local vendor that has the same system, is a dealer for parts,  and easily can supplement if I need other things. 
Title: Re: Favorite speaker system to mix on in a theatre
Post by: Tim McCulloch on October 04, 2015, 10:14:55 pm

As to my opinion on what PA to go with, I tend to lean towards the Meyer way of thinking. I like very linear systems, especially in a venue that is going to have multiple genres. I have had nothing but success whenever I have mixed on one of their systems that was set up and tuned properly.

Just my 2 cents.

The bolded text is the most important part.  Many of the systems I do not like the sound of JDLR.  Sometime you can tell by careful visual inspection that speakers are pointed funny and your ears tell you nobody was listening off-axis (or under the balcony, etc) when the turning was done.

I've witnessed almost every major flavor of rig badly deployed and I've head all of them badly tuned and operated.  Conversely I've heard those same rigs sound very good (and few times were absolutely stunning) - appropriately tuned for the genre and operated by skilled mixerpersons that actually like music.

The scale of the rig is important as simply adding more small elements to a vertical array does not equate to a louder (and certainly not cleaner sounding) rig.  Buy the scale of rig that puts the needed average SPL on the seats at the furthest distance, that uses the fewest number of boxes to provide the length for LF directivity down to your target frequency.  Flying half the subs is a great tool that is often neglected (it's cool that your room got this treatment, Kyle!).

I don't see the poll so I've got no idea what the choices are so I'll echo Jean-Pierre's comment:  all things being equal, buy the system that comes from the dealer/installer with the best service/support reputation.  Remember that you all have to live with it (possibly for as long as 15 - 20 years), your consultant doesn't.

Let us know how this all sorts out.
Title: Re: Favorite speaker system to mix on in a theatre
Post by: Ray Aberle on October 05, 2015, 06:11:56 am
I don't see the poll so I've got no idea what the choices are so I'll echo Jean-Pierre's comment:  all things being equal, buy the system that comes from the dealer/installer with the best service/support reputation.  Remember that you all have to live with it (possibly for as long as 15 - 20 years), your consultant doesn't.


Options are:
- d& b V
- Kara
- Leopard
Title: Re: Favorite speaker system to mix on in a theatre
Post by: Jim McKeveny on October 05, 2015, 09:20:52 am
Success comes from:

1 - Gear ...and manufacturer commitment.

2 - Integrator ...and integrator commitment.

And not necessarily in that order.
Title: Re: Favorite speaker system to mix on in a theatre
Post by: Nathan Ihlenfeldt on October 05, 2015, 02:04:41 pm
Options are:
- d& b V
- Kara
- Leopard

It's worth adding that Kara and Leopard are more comparable to d&b Y-Series. This is also a dual 8", two way system with similar performance/size/output characteristics.
Title: Re: Favorite speaker system to mix on in a theatre
Post by: Malek Pallie on October 06, 2015, 08:04:24 pm
Thanks for all the thoughtful and insightful feedback, guys!

I will update you when a decision is made.

Cheers! 
Title: Re: Favorite speaker system to mix on in a theatre
Post by: Ted Christensen on October 06, 2015, 08:21:21 pm
Has this question been asked before? Of course! But...I am helping the management of a large (3500 seats) performing arts style space which is looking to upgrade their FOH system make this decision, and they are getting a lot of conflicting information from different vendors about what is the "best" system for them.

Floor is approximately 220' wide at the widest and 120' deep, balcony is 250' at the widest and 75' deep. Ceiling height from deck to ceiling is 75'.

I am of the opinion that any professional product that is well deployed will work for their needs, but of course, there are vendors who would like them to be married to the particular brand which they deal in, and so they sell it as "the best".

This space hosts a variety of events, including classical orchestras, rock, bluegrass, and pop bands, and spoken word events, so versatility is important.

The bids which are being considered at this phase are all the same configuration (for a fair comparison, as much as is possible):

- 2 hangs of 12 boxes each side
- 4 front fills on stage
- Subs on the floor

Presumably, a 48in 16 out console will be part of the upgrade (but that is a subject for another post).

Did I miss anything? 

I would like as many professional mix engineers as possible on this forum to vote so that I can either show that I am wrong and there actually is one brand which most engineers prefer, or that the preferences at this level of product are quite evenly spread out based on personal taste.

Thanks all!

Why go kara when you can go k2??
Title: Re: Favorite speaker system to mix on in a theatre
Post by: Malek Pallie on October 08, 2015, 04:56:57 pm
Why go kara when you can go k2??

Due to site-lines, we can't go with a wider box (which is why the Mica was rejected in this venue), so K2 would be too large.
Title: Re: Favorite speaker system to mix on in a theatre
Post by: Chuck Fudge on October 09, 2015, 01:47:25 pm
Seems to me some other notable manufacturers with current products are left out of this Poll. 

VUE al-8/al-4 
EAW soon to be released ANYA mini


Title: Re: Favorite speaker system to mix on in a theatre
Post by: Malek Pallie on October 12, 2015, 04:22:42 pm
Seems to me some other notable manufacturers with current products are left out of this Poll. 

VUE al-8/al-4 
EAW soon to be released ANYA mini

100% agreed! Honestly, I think a quad amp'd VTX20 rig (10 per side or so) would be better on the budget, and would sound great   in that space if deployed and tuned right, but that is not "the best" supposedly. I guess the fact that Vertec is good enough for Disney Concert Hall and many other high end venues doesn't make a difference.  ::)
Title: Re: Favorite speaker system to mix on in a theatre
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on October 12, 2015, 04:43:16 pm
Seems to me some other notable manufacturers with current products are left out of this Poll. 

VUE al-8/al-4 
EAW soon to be released ANYA mini


Does anyone really believe that EAW can hang with the latest offerings of Meyer, JBL, d&b and L-Acoustics?
Title: Re: Favorite speaker system to mix on in a theatre
Post by: Tim McCulloch on October 12, 2015, 06:27:17 pm

Does anyone really believe that EAW can hang with the latest offerings of Meyer, JBL, d&b and L-Acoustics?

Have you heard the ANYA rig?  I did - in your town at BOK Arena.  While others got into the virtual sound check stuff with Scovi and AVID Venue "event" mixing tricks I was walking the arena bowl and listening.  I was impressed with the coverage and acoustic output at a relatively low drive level.
Title: Re: Favorite speaker system to mix on in a theatre
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on October 13, 2015, 02:32:57 pm
Have you heard the ANYA rig?  I did - in your town at BOK Arena.


Naw...haven't been inside the BOK arena in almost 3 years. Don't really care for puke and beer stained concrete oval shaped rooms.


When was this event with Scovill?
Title: Re: Favorite speaker system to mix on in a theatre
Post by: Tim McCulloch on October 13, 2015, 02:50:24 pm

Naw...haven't been inside the BOK arena in almost 3 years. Don't really care for puke and beer stained concrete oval shaped rooms.


When was this event with Scovill?

Tom Petty "Hypnotic Eye" tour.  EAW and AVID sponsored a little dog & pony show (after rigging was complete) at most of the tour stops.  Prior to the ANYA deployment (then the tour was out with an Adamson rig) only AVID was a sponsor.