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Title: Powersoft 30" sub assembly
Post by: Doug Fowler on June 19, 2015, 10:51:24 am
I heard DAS' version here at Infocomm.

It's a bone rattler.  If that's what you need, this will do it.

No idea of price, sorry. 
Title: Re: Powersoft 30" sub assembly
Post by: Jason Joseph on June 19, 2015, 11:20:45 am
I bet it will be "pricey".. Any pics?
Title: Re: Powersoft 30" sub assembly
Post by: Scott Carneval on June 19, 2015, 12:57:36 pm
Just left the demo room. It's pretty impressive. I was about 12' away and it blurred my vision. The wouldn't give pricing on the sub but he said MSRP on the 'stack' is just under $60k.

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Title: Re: Powersoft 30" sub assembly
Post by: David Allred on June 19, 2015, 01:08:18 pm

The sub has some crazy optical illusion going on.  I can't figure out the driver orientation.  At least the surround matches the other Cerwin Vega components.  HA!
Title: Re: Powersoft 30" sub assembly
Post by: Scott Carneval on June 19, 2015, 01:15:45 pm
Here these might help:

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/19/eb7ab08e5b508bf72115a836d129e762.jpg)

This is the raw motor/driver at the Powersoft booth. It's NOT the inverted cone version in the D.A.S. cabinet so it looks a little bit different.

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/19/8bd4e3da60037b57b087653cfa4bce32.jpg)

I didn't make the C-V connection but come to think of it I was speaking with the business development manager and he mentioned he came from Cerwin Vega so you might be on to something there.


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Title: Re: Powersoft 30" sub assembly
Post by: Marjan Milosevic on June 19, 2015, 06:47:06 pm
60K??? Good luck selling a DAS stack for that money.
Title: Re: Powersoft 30" sub assembly
Post by: Scott Carneval on June 19, 2015, 07:51:24 pm
To be fair that was MSRP, so I would expect street price to be considerably less.

I wasn't too impressed with the rest of the stack, but the subs were jaw-dropping. I was a little skeptical of them at first being a heavy plastic cone and an unconventional drive, but they were surprisingly musical given the limited test tracks he ran through them. These are front loaded cabinets but you don't hear much cone distortion at all. I'm interested to see what other manufacturers do with this Powersoft driver.


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Title: Re: Powersoft 30" sub assembly
Post by: Keith Broughton on June 20, 2015, 10:37:32 am
What an awful looking stack of PA !!
Anyway, the driver system reminds me of the original Servo Drive I saw at an AES convention in NYC 20 years back.
Title: Re: Powersoft 30" sub assembly
Post by: Lee Buckalew on June 20, 2015, 11:28:59 am
I was a little skeptical of them at first being a heavy plastic cone and an unconventional drive, but they were surprisingly musical given the limited test tracks he ran through them.

I can't say what the DAS cone is but Powersoft was testing this unit with a very lightweight but rigid cone made of foam that I thought they developed specifically for this drive unit.

Lee
Title: Powersoft 30" sub assembly
Post by: Scott Carneval on June 20, 2015, 12:57:50 pm
I can't say what the DAS cone is but Powersoft was testing this unit with a very lightweight but rigid cone made of foam that I thought they developed specifically for this drive unit.

Lee

I'm not sure exactly what it's made of, but I assume it's some sort of composite. It's very rigid. It really didn't flex at all when you pushed it.  I don't know what it weighs compared to a paper cone, I just meant that it SEEMED big and bulky, especially being a 30" driver.

The inverted cone in the D.A.S. is still a Powersoft design and they had one on display in their booth I just didn't get a picture of it. It makes the system a little more compact too.


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Title: Re: Powersoft 30" sub assembly
Post by: Lance Hallmark on June 23, 2015, 03:03:43 pm
What an awful looking stack of PA !!
Anyway, the driver system reminds me of the original Servo Drive I saw at an AES convention in NYC 20 years back.

Designed to be a centerpiece for clubs - ala Funktion One setup. Available in custom colors or all black. Bass was very deep and loud, they seemed to be running volumes a lot higher than the other demo rooms. Really only impressed with the sub, didn't care for any of the other products they demoed.
Title: Re: Powersoft 30" sub assembly
Post by: radulescu_paul_mircea on November 14, 2016, 07:23:25 am
I will revive this thread to show you more picture of subs in the market with this driver. The DAS sub is around 11 K here from what I know. Taking into account that the amp-driver combo alone goes at 3200 the set...
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161114/2d156799155efbb2e888de98fc95e9f2.jpg)
Rat sound with a try
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161114/b7a6860abcb6e2e0b9c23d3867e23c94.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161114/f4eabfedd758c9edff02b8f3c3f4250d.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161114/f3b2bebbf5c012ff942a8f793d3d3cc9.jpg)
STS from Brazil I think
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161114/bfa87284ea6b0de5150459c08566cce8.jpg)
Audio focus with a 40" version. They say 2 of them  goes more than 3 dB over 6 SB28 from L-acoustics
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161114/67b32b9d5cb9b06449372b60fb45d5f8.jpg) aurasound or something very similar
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161114/63ed5771b2b2c5fe280e016527936f0e.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161114/95d99cb8457c38faaaffe0aee2858ea7.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161114/eaa1ec1b1398e248734a1f242ba54e60.jpg) the Funktion One F132 a proper dimensioned FLH
Title: Re: Powersoft 30" sub assembly
Post by: Len Zenith Jr on December 19, 2016, 12:24:27 am
PKSound released a 30" bandpass as well:

http://www.pksound.ca/products/gravity-30/ (http://www.pksound.ca/products/gravity-30/)

(http://www.audioxpress.com/assets/upload/images/1/_landscape/20161214135104_PK-SoundGravity30MForceFrontWeb.jpg_landscape_.jpg)
Title: Re: Powersoft 30" sub assembly
Post by: radulescu_paul_mircea on December 27, 2016, 09:09:38 am
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161227/ef8401841c89cea32a59851ab50dee44.jpg)(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161227/c8c0b498446a4119657cd0978cf5d3d8.jpg)(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161227/43c59ba21b6300f8a9cbb2ee795ccc38.jpg)(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161227/8b0c0090958b5cceccd9745031e9a873.jpg)(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161227/631ba43036db861811a779d021805d45.jpg)
None of them are made by me, but I think these should be here cause these pics are very cool and informative.

I didn't know of the sub from PKsound ,thanks!
Title: Re: Powersoft 30" sub assembly
Post by: Keith Broughton on December 27, 2016, 09:20:01 am
Looked on DAS site for freq response info.
This is the -not too helpful- info...

Frequency Range (-10 dB)   28 Hz-125 Hz
Title: Re: Powersoft 30" sub assembly
Post by: T N Treadway on January 11, 2017, 03:18:09 am
Looked on DAS site for freq response info.
This is the -not too helpful- info...

Frequency Range (-10 dB)   28 Hz-125 Hz

I have been looking at the powersoft drivers.  The DAS version is tuned to be more like very loud double 18's, rather than going for the lower half octave, one reason why their cabinet is so compact...
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Post by: Mac Kerr on January 11, 2017, 10:46:02 am
I have been looking at the powersoft drivers.

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Title: Re: Powersoft 30" sub assembly
Post by: Art Welter on March 14, 2017, 11:32:15 pm
Looked on DAS site for freq response info.
This is the -not too helpful- info...

Frequency Range (-10 dB)   28 Hz-125 Hz
Keith,

You can plug the specs into Hornresp and see what the drivers will do.
They are definitely not the best bang for the buck, but lots of peak output.
For huge cones, pretty high FS.

Art
Title: Re: Powersoft 30" sub assembly
Post by: Tim Padrick on March 21, 2017, 02:32:10 am
I could pull one of the theater's HVAC grills and drop that driver right in (the ceiling is concrete and wire) :-)