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Title: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on October 01, 2014, 11:47:16 am
I have never been a fan of the 'B' word BUT….this video definitely piqued my interest…. (did I just say that?)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRYHqDJPhqo
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on October 01, 2014, 12:18:16 pm
Wait and see what comes out next year...
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Tommy Peel on October 01, 2014, 12:30:19 pm
I have never been a fan of the 'B' word BUT….this video definitely piqued my interest…. (did I just say that?)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRYHqDJPhqo

Pretty interesting. I had thought the x18 looked interesting when I saw it a while back but wasn't crazy about the design. The new xr18 looks much better; essentially a baby x32 Rack for several hundred dollars less.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on October 01, 2014, 12:34:00 pm
Pretty interesting. I had thought the x18 looked interesting when I saw it a while back but wasn't crazy about the design. The new xr18 looks much better; essentially a baby x32 Rack for several hundred dollars less.

That's what got my attention...
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on October 01, 2014, 12:35:05 pm
Wait and see what comes out next year...

You have some inside information - don't you Dick???
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on October 01, 2014, 12:36:42 pm
This is such an exiting time to be in this industry. Talk about compact and tidy.
This technology caters to my OCD !! oh yeah….
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on October 01, 2014, 12:43:49 pm
You have some inside information - don't you Dick???

No, just being a fatalist.  As soon as I'd buy one of these there'd be something else come out with 2x the functionality at half the size and cost...
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Steve Oldridge on October 01, 2014, 12:47:09 pm
I have never been a fan of the 'B' word BUT….this video definitely piqued my interest…. (did I just say that?)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRYHqDJPhqo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrlSyAD-dVs
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on October 01, 2014, 01:22:02 pm
No, just being a fatalist.  As soon as I'd buy one of these there'd be something else come out with 2x the functionality at half the size and cost...

True…and I wouldnt be in the market for one just yet anyway.
I wonder though just how much more can be included with the current technology we have available and those prices are already pretty good.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on October 01, 2014, 01:26:19 pm
True…and I wouldnt be in the market for one just yet anyway.
I wonder though just how much more can be included with the current technology we have available and those prices are already pretty good.

100% wireless inputs...mics and DI's.  Wireless sends to your powered speakers.  No audio cabling, just the obligatory AC unless Tesla reincarnates.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on October 01, 2014, 01:35:10 pm
100% wireless inputs...mics and DI's.  Wireless sends to your powered speakers.  No audio cabling, just the obligatory AC unless Tesla reincarnates.

Well now…. when something with wireless connectivity comes along that is reliable and affordable - that will be a game changer  for sure!! …I'd get a big kick out of that ...

Do you see this happening soon Dick? I have read threads regarding this and it seems a long way off due to the unreliable nature of wifi connectivity.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Corey Scogin on October 01, 2014, 02:50:44 pm
It'll be hard to pass up that $300 XR12 for small acoustic shows, speaking engagements, or wedding ceremonies.  The 4U rack that houses my X32R is getting heavy.  ;)
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Bob Leonard on October 01, 2014, 02:51:17 pm
All of this is more X32 in a different format. My take is that this is the Behringer reply to Mackie and Line 6. "B" lovers will jump all over this, others not so much, and in the end you still need the controlling device.

Debbie,
WiFi is as reliable as the equipment you choose for the purpose. Cheap hardware nets poor results. There's also a user factor that needs to be accounted for as well.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: John Roberts {JR} on October 01, 2014, 03:03:46 pm
100% wireless inputs...mics and DI's.  Wireless sends to your powered speakers.  No audio cabling, just the obligatory AC unless Tesla reincarnates.

This is the holy grail for fixed install market and I would be apprehensive about robustness and bandwidth available. I have been waiting a long time for this (the bandwidth and robustness, not another software mixer).

Back a few decades ago I investigated using a carrier on AC mains just to distribute one channel of audio around a facility and abandoned it as not reliable enough. (For fixed install market it needs to work in 100% of venues 100% of the time, or a contractor bidding on the job with low labor content could end up screwed if the wireless doesn't work and he has to pull wire.

I expect the technology to happen eventually, so I guess it is smart to dip your toe in the water for low end entry level types who won't go out if business if it doesn't work every time/every where.

JR
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Jerome Malsack on October 01, 2014, 07:11:32 pm
Heath kit dabbled on this with the intercom market.  My father made a pair to go between the house and the camp ground office to avoid the phone in the late 60's and early 70's.  The limiting factor was the power transformers.  Evan today the power transformers on the street will block the transmission of signals.   X10 sees this also.  I can plug in my X10 and have 3 houses on the X10 running.  That trany blocks the transmission to the other 5 in the block.   
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Scott Holtzman on October 01, 2014, 09:08:02 pm
It is a nice size and feature set.  I am excited to see the price.  Money to be made with this.


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Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Steve M Smith on October 02, 2014, 02:47:21 am
Heath kit dabbled on this with the intercom market.  My father made a pair to go between the house and the camp ground office to avoid the phone in the late 60's and early 70's.  The limiting factor was the power transformers.  Evan today the power transformers on the street will block the transmission of signals.
A long time ago, we had a pair of valve (tube) intercoms which used the supply for transmission.  They worked fine within the one house but we couldn't get them to work between neighbouring houses.  I think this was  probably because UK power transmission is three phase with only one phase and neutral going to each house.  If we tried it from three houses away at a house which was on the same phase, it probably would have worked.
 
Steve.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Mark McFarlane on October 02, 2014, 10:29:07 am
It'll be hard to pass up that $300 XR12 for small acoustic shows, speaking engagements, or wedding ceremonies.  The 4U rack that houses my X32R is getting heavy.  ;)

+1, I'll buy one at that price.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Scott Holtzman on October 02, 2014, 10:37:16 am
Corey...where did you see that price?  Steve, I thing the transformer was blocking the Signal
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on October 02, 2014, 11:20:15 am
Corey...where did you see that price?  Steve, I thing the transformer was blocking the Signal

That price was quoted in the video…
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Corey Scogin on October 02, 2014, 11:42:21 am
That price was quoted in the video…

Yes.  Jan mentioned them a few times...all three at the very end of the video.
The price estimates quoted are:
XR18 / X18 - $800
XR16 - $500
XR12 - $300
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Tommy Peel on October 02, 2014, 11:45:48 am
Yes.  Jan mentioned them a few times...all three at the very end of the video.
The price estimates quoted are:
XR18 / X18 - $800
XR16 - $500
XR12 - $300
That XR12 sounds really interesting. I've been planning on getting a small analog board for a while now for random small gigs and such; that might be a better option though as it'll do a lot more.

Or if I can swing the extra money I might get the xr16.

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Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Tommy Peel on October 02, 2014, 11:55:25 am
For anyone not wanting to search through the video for the mixers Here's the xr16 and xr12

(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/02/9da340698994c8acc7ab82083e734e34.jpg)

(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/02/d58181fe75b45b56e9e8ecb5b7e518d5.jpg)

Oh, and for the Android fans, he shows that they have a full function Android app for them too. :-D

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Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Tim McCulloch on October 02, 2014, 12:27:41 pm

Oh, and for the Android fans, he shows that they have a full function Android app for them too. :-D

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Word on the street is that Music Group acquired either the code for Mixing Station or hired Dave outright.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Tommy Peel on October 02, 2014, 12:30:20 pm
Word on the street is that Music Group acquired either the code for Mixing Station or hired Dave outright.

That's great. He made a really nice app; I would have no problem mixing a gig on an x32 with it on an Android Tablet. If I was using it on a regular basis I'd buy the paid version.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: John Chiara on October 02, 2014, 12:34:53 pm
That's great. He made a really nice app; I would have no problem mixing a gig on an x32 with it on an Android Tablet. If I was using it on a regular basis I'd buy the paid version.

Can you get to all the FX functions on the Android app? The one time I used it I could not tap delay times which made it a deal breaker for me.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: jasonfinnigan on October 02, 2014, 12:36:33 pm
Not bad prices I could see the XR Series being used in churches for small teen rooms or something.

But at the same time I don't get all the big deal. Everyone  (okay Just Behringer fan boys) want's to act like everything behringer makes it awesome and a game changer - It's not.

Don't get me wrong I like my Behringer X32 but, I don't think it's "The best out there"
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: jasonfinnigan on October 02, 2014, 12:37:32 pm
Word on the street is that Music Group acquired either the code for Mixing Station or hired Dave outright.

Not surprised Behringers developers seem to either straight up suck or are just bad at meeting their set deadlines and commitments.

I still think the M-32/X-32 Edit needs a complete re-write.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Tommy Peel on October 02, 2014, 12:43:06 pm
Can you get to all the FX functions on the Android app? The one time I used it I could not tap delay times which made it a deal breaker for me.
Well I looked through the app offline and couldn't see a tap delay button but it does show the UDKs which can be setup for tap delay so I think you could use them. It does show all the parameters for each effect though including delay time in ms.

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Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Tim McCulloch on October 02, 2014, 01:00:17 pm
Can you get to all the FX functions on the Android app? The one time I used it I could not tap delay times which made it a deal breaker for me.

Then you got the wrong console/app combination, Johnny.  Sometimes a "real" physical desk is what you need, and with the way you mix - the bus configuration and real-time FX work you do - perhaps you just need to stay with a physical control surface until the manufacturers catch up with you.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Mike Pyle on October 02, 2014, 01:45:20 pm
I had one of the XR18s in my hands yesterday when the MG sales mgr visited. I expect these will roll out pretty soon.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: John Roberts {JR} on October 02, 2014, 02:21:03 pm
I had one of the XR18s in my hands yesterday when the MG sales mgr visited. I expect these will roll out pretty soon.
That's an interesting choice of model name.. Peavey probably still makes their "XR" series of powered mixers.

 JR
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Tim McCulloch on October 02, 2014, 02:26:23 pm
That's an interesting choice of model name.. Peavey probably still makes their "XR" series of powered mixers.

 JR

http://peavey.com/products/index.cfm/series/701/XR%C2%AE%20Series
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Rich Grisier on October 02, 2014, 04:38:14 pm
Looks like a very cool product!  I may get one just to have in the practice room.

I see it can be rack mounted... I wonder if it can face either direction?  I much prefer to have my rack mounted items to have controls in the front and connection interface items in the back.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Mike Pyle on October 02, 2014, 04:58:22 pm
Looks like a very cool product!  I may get one just to have in the practice room.

I see it can be rack mounted... I wonder if it can face either direction?  I much prefer to have my rack mounted items to have controls in the front and connection interface items in the back.

Yes, it can be mounted facing either direction.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Brian Jojade on October 02, 2014, 05:57:24 pm
Not bad prices I could see the XR Series being used in churches for small teen rooms or something.

But at the same time I don't get all the big deal. Everyone  (okay Just Behringer fan boys) want's to act like everything behringer makes it awesome and a game changer - It's not.

Don't get me wrong I like my Behringer X32 but, I don't think it's "The best out there"

While not a complete game changer, the product definitely hits many criteria that people have been looking for and hasn't been widely available from the major manufacturers yet. Moving digital mixing into the sub compact mixing is a wonderful thing to have available.  In the past, Behringer just copied what others had, but they have changed and are now innovating in this space and bringing the price of digital mixing to the masses.

What is amazing about this product is that you plug in power and its ready to go. Built in power supply with no wall wart, built in WIFI so no external router. Super compact that can lay on the ground with the power coming out the side, not the back, brilliant. Not having to make sure the mixer is in an accessible location will make stage setup easier and cleaner.

Sure, you need a tablet or a computer to control it, but since those devices are available everywhere at super low pricing, it's not much of an issue.  Even the smallest bands can now upgrade their analog gear and see great improvement in their sound control.

I'm excited to get these into my inventory.

I wonder if the X18 will ever come to market.  The only difference between the X18 and XR18 is the form factor, with a tray that an iPad can sit in.  Not really much advantage as now your cabling also has to come up to that location for connection.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: dave briar on October 02, 2014, 06:16:21 pm
--snip--
Sure, you need a tablet or a computer to control it, but since those devices are available everywhere at super low pricing, it's not much of an issue. 
Yup.  As one contributor on other forum noted "The interface (iPad etc.) is essentially ubiquitous anymore and therefore free to the manufacturer.  All that's needed is to develop the app".  Interesting times indeed.

  ..dave
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: john lutz on October 02, 2014, 07:17:24 pm
.................In the past, Behringer just copied what others had, but they have changed and are now innovating in this space and bringing the price of digital mixing to the masses..........

IDK, looks a lot like these.   http://www.smproaudio.com/index.php/en/products/digital-mixers/umix  (which also were announced quite a while back)  and, seems like we have been waiting for the Behringer answer to the DL1608 for years now??
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: John Chiara on October 02, 2014, 08:51:31 pm
Then you got the wrong console/app combination, Johnny.  Sometimes a "real" physical desk is what you need, and with the way you mix - the bus configuration and real-time FX work you do - perhaps you just need to stay with a physical control surface until the manufacturers catch up with you.

The iPad app is fine for me, but one band I have set up uses Android tablets.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Scott Holtzman on October 03, 2014, 01:25:53 am
Brian hit the nail on the head.  $300 for 12 inputs is a silly cheap.  Behringer doesn't even sell an A/D that cheap.  It's a disposable price point.  Isn't Behringr going to decimate their own low end analog market? 
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Tommy Peel on October 03, 2014, 01:39:13 am
Brian hit the nail on the head.  $300 for 12 inputs is a silly cheap.  Behringer doesn't even sell an A/D that cheap.  It's a disposable price point.  Isn't Behringr going to decimate their own low end analog market?

They might hurt their analog market but I imagine that they're seeing the analog market phased out in a few years. Or at least the larger(4+ mic input) sub compact boards.

Seeing these, I'm really interested to see what the next generation x32 will be like.  Another product they could make would be powered versions of these to replace your typical suitcase mixer, but then again with powered speakers being so popular at this level I doubt they're needed.

I've been wanting to save up and buy an x32 Rack for a while.... Seeing these my plans may have changed though. Most of the stuff I'd want the x32 Rack for would be handled by the xr16 pretty easily for less than half the price.

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Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Scott Holtzman on October 03, 2014, 01:59:46 am
What would you use it for?  In the grand scheme of things the price of the x32 rack doesn't buy a whole lot of sound or any other music gear.   You are talking about a 16/8 digital mixer for the price of a wireless mic.  Now you are talking about a 12 input device for less than a stage snake.  I have to get my arms around this.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Mark McFarlane on October 03, 2014, 02:25:38 am
Brian hit the nail on the head.  $300 for 12 inputs is a silly cheap.  Behringer doesn't even sell an A/D that cheap.  It's a disposable price point.  Isn't Behringr going to decimate their own low end analog market? 

Note that the XR12 is 4 mic preamps, 8 line inputs (2 with high Z). It's basically a digital 1202 inside the snake box, with wifi,... for 'around $300'.

The small analog market may be hurt but I suspect something like the 1202 will still be around 20 years from now.  Most 'anyone' can use it and you don't need your tablet battery charged,...
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Alec Spence on October 03, 2014, 06:04:21 am
Brian hit the nail on the head.  $300 for 12 inputs is a silly cheap.  Behringer doesn't even sell an A/D that cheap.  It's a disposable price point.  Isn't Behringr going to decimate their own low end analog market?

Only in the same way Kodak worried about decimating their business by introducing digital photography.

This new stuff is great, and can be cheap as it's pretty simple engineering.  Look at all the pots and faders that you're eliminating by going to this.  No moving parts - and remember, those scratchy pots and intermittent switches were often the bugbear of the cheaper mixers.

That said, I think the simpler analog market is here for a while.  It has it's place.

Still can't work out if I'd happily lose the physical surface for those smaller jobs.  But the prospect of being able to run a small band, with full EQ/dynamics/FX & enough monitor mixes, without needing to carry a mixer & snake starts to look pretty nifty.  Not to mention not having to negotiate those tricky runs for the snake for weddings/corporates.  And the price...
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Scott Olewiler on October 03, 2014, 06:47:49 am
Yes.  Jan mentioned them a few times...all three at the very end of the video.
The price estimates quoted are:
XR18 / X18 - $800
XR16 - $500
XR12 - $300

16 channels for $500 is amazingly inexpensive but why only 8 xlr inputs? I can't wrap my head around the logic behind that for a 16 channel board. Maybe someone who does more than just live bands can explain that to me?  For my uses I'd be forced to go to the XR18 (still a good deal IMO) even though I rarely use more than 12 channels now.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on October 03, 2014, 07:34:28 am
16 channels for $500 is amazingly inexpensive but why only 8 xlr inputs? I can't wrap my head around the logic behind that for a 16 channel board. Maybe someone who does more than just live bands can explain that to me?  For my uses I'd be forced to go to the XR18 (still a good deal IMO) even though I rarely use more than 12 channels now.

Perhaps because the box itself is on stage and you can go direct with guitar, bass and keys leaving you 8 mic inputs to cover vox and drums.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: John Chiara on October 03, 2014, 10:07:43 am
Still can't work out if I'd happily lose the physical surface for those smaller jobs.  But the prospect of being able to run a small band, with full EQ/dynamics/FX & enough monitor mixes, without needing to carry a mixer & snake starts to look pretty nifty.  Not to mention not having to negotiate those tricky runs for the snake for weddings/corporates.  And the price...

You get used to it. I have used the X32R all summer for weddings, clubs and even local festivals, and I mix a little more 'actively' than most people I know. Many things are actually faster and easier on the iPad. Plus, once you get used to carrying your meter bridge with you, you realize how much of a time saver or even gig saver when trouble arises. Finding bad connections and cables is much easier with the whole console in your hand. Turns many 2 man jobs into one man jobs. And the time saving is obvious.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Rob Spence on October 03, 2014, 11:24:30 am
One place I worry about with these is the built in WIFI.
2.4gHz is too crowded in most venues. I doubt it is dual band. I only use 5gHz.
I hope they include reasonable security options. I sure wouldn't want the punters taking over mid show.


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Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Alec Spence on October 03, 2014, 12:10:46 pm
16 channels for $500 is amazingly inexpensive but why only 8 xlr inputs? I can't wrap my head around the logic behind that for a 16 channel board. Maybe someone who does more than just live bands can explain that to me?  For my uses I'd be forced to go to the XR18 (still a good deal IMO) even though I rarely use more than 12 channels now.
Like Dick says, it may be that the fact you've effectively got 8 DIs on-stage may make it work for you.

In reality, it's about market segmentation.

Looking at mic pres, the line has 16, 8 and 4, respectively, so all well differentiated from each other.

B will have made savings by reducing the number of mic pres on the XR16 & XR12, but have also made the XR18 deliver enough extra value over the XR16 to justify the extra cost.

And anyway, look at what the XR18 gives you, and you can hardly say it's too pricey!

I think the XR16 will be great for those bands that need minimal PA, say Kick, Snare, OH, Bass, guitars, keys, vox - ample for those kind of budget setups - of which there are plenty.

To do the job *properly*, only the XR18 will do.  But plenty are happier with the simple setup.

As is always the way with these things, we're spoilt for choice.  The XR16 looks like a great option to me - but I get the feeling I'd soon be tempted up to the XR18 "just in case".
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on October 03, 2014, 12:23:57 pm
The XR18 looks to be the only one with multitrack recording  and  more aux outputs so it justifies the extra  money there too.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Tommy Peel on October 03, 2014, 12:28:27 pm
The XR18 looks to be the only one with multitrack recording  and  more aux outputs so it justifies the extra  money there too.

I could see people buying the xr18 for home recording studios just for an 18 channel audio interface.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Mark Long on October 03, 2014, 03:05:23 pm
I'm also wondering how well the X Touch integrates when a physical control surface is needed/wanted.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Scott Bolt on October 03, 2014, 08:09:29 pm
At $300, I am tempted to get the XR12 just to have as a backup for my X32 Rack. 

Since my band uses vDrums .... and my guitar goes DI from my Kemper, even 4 mic pre's is enough for me to get by with.  The vDrums only occupy five of the 1/4" inputs, and I would have to live with a single stereo IEM mix, but for $300.00 .... just WOW.

The XR12 would also be a MUCH more mobile mixer for when I am doing a simple solo or duo gig.  My X32 Rack rig is an 8 space rack containing not only my X32 Rack, but also a voltage regulator/power strip, IEM send, and 8 channel DI.  That is a little bit much for just a guy with a mic and a Taylor guitar ;)
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: George Friedman-Jimenez on October 03, 2014, 10:15:06 pm
That's an interesting choice of model name.. Peavey probably still makes their "XR" series of powered mixers.

 JR
Moving from exact cloning of circuit boards to "borrowing" part of a name, I would call that progress for company B. I would also grudgingly complement them on some very real ingenuity for getting all the features packed into something like the XR12 to work in the real world for $300. Now if they can show us their production facilities provide decent working conditions and wages for the workers, and these units prove reliable for hard day to day use, I just might become a convert.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on October 03, 2014, 10:58:13 pm
Moving from exact cloning of circuit boards to "borrowing" part of a name, I would call that progress for company B. I would also grudgingly complement them on some very real ingenuity for getting all the features packed into something like the XR12 to work in the real world for $300. Now if they can show us their production facilities provide decent working conditions and wages for the workers, and these units prove reliable for hard day to day use, I just might become a convert.

Now this part may not apply to most of the companies we deal with each day sadly...
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: John Roberts {JR} on October 04, 2014, 11:06:19 am
I would not make ASSumptions about working conditions for any specific company. Wages for Chinese workers have been increasing, especially in the industrialized region, while still low by our (wealthy) standards.

JR
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: George Friedman-Jimenez on October 04, 2014, 05:20:57 pm
I don't think Debbie or I are making assumptions, there are lots of companies that produce low cost high volume goods that have bad working conditions, health and safety as well as wages. Behringer claims to be an exception to that trend, stating in their catalogs for years that working conditions in their Music Group City state-of-the-art factory in China are "so good that we have a waiting list for employment". On the same page in the catalog, they also state that "Behringer has a track record of manufacturing excellence spanning more than 2 decades", an assertion which some of us might question based on firsthand past experiences with Behringer products. The working conditions statement sounds great, however, the credibility of that statement is threatened a bit by the second statement, and also by the reference on the same page to eurotech.cn website for further info about Music Group City. I could not find any such website directly or by googling. Hence my skepticism.

I have zero first hand knowledge of Behringer's factory working conditions, although I do know a lot about working conditions and health and safety in many other factories. Rather than making an assertion or an assumption, I was really asking a question, maybe I can state it more clearly.

Does anyone here have detailed knowledge you would be willing to share with us about the working conditions and health and safety conditions in the Behringer factories in Guangdong?
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: John Roberts {JR} on October 04, 2014, 06:14:21 pm
There are youtube videos but i doubt they would show anything untoward.

The closest I can come to answering that is I was once inside a contract manufacturer's factory (in Guangdong) that was also making products for Behringer at the same time I was there. This was back before Behringer city. It was something like a 7 story building and they did not show me the one floor where the Behringer products were being assembled (and I didn't ask). The factory was clean (iso-9000) and working conditions looked good to me, but I was only at that one factory for several hours, and I only saw what they showed me.

I can be critical of Behringer, but building products in China is not high on my list of dings.

There are still labor abuses in China but generally not in large western owned electronics factories.  The most recent abuse story was about vocational schools farming out students wholesale to "apprentice" (cough) programs at contract manufacturers where they were working as much as 60 hours a week and in some cases their pay was being collected by the school. I suspect now that this has been reported in the western press it too will stop.

At this point it doesn't seem fair to single out Behringer for using Chinese labor. Most major companies by now do also.

JR
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Kyle Van Sandt on October 04, 2014, 09:27:51 pm
We have a 3 bands in our smaller room, all touring with two X32 racks, doing 20 monitor mixes plus FOH.  1 hour 30 minute in.  We have an X32 in house but this was the first time I saw the true power of what that kind of connectivity can give you.  These smaller versions are going to sell like hot cakes to the small bar bands.  It is just slick. 

Also was great to see the X32 Beta android app finally getting picked up by Behringer, that is a great grab on Behringers part.  Now, if only they could get even HALF the features of any of the iPad apps for Behringer into the Midas Mixtender app.   
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Scott Bolt on October 05, 2014, 01:09:40 pm
We have a 3 bands in our smaller room, all touring with two X32 racks, doing 20 monitor mixes plus FOH.  1 hour 30 minute in.  We have an X32 in house but this was the first time I saw the true power of what that kind of connectivity can give you.  These smaller versions are going to sell like hot cakes to the small bar bands.  It is just slick. 

Also was great to see the X32 Beta android app finally getting picked up by Behringer, that is a great grab on Behringers part.  Now, if only they could get even HALF the features of any of the iPad apps for Behringer into the Midas Mixtender app.
I agree (on all counts).

A DJ friend of mine was at a party with me last night and was marveling over the X32 Mix app and what it could do.  I told him about the XR12 and he is very interested .... as anyone with a small channel count analog mixer will likely be.  He did express reservations about the lack of physical controls (as I was myself concerned when I got my X32 Rack), but over the last year, all my reservations have been put to rest.  I think the transition to tablet based mixing is going to take a bit more time, but especially in the small operator business, it seems more and more like it is inevitable.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Alec Spence on October 05, 2014, 01:37:01 pm
Here's a thought - anyone else think it's a shame that these new boxes don't have AES50 - especially the XR18?  Would be great if it could double as a stagebox in a bigger X32 system...

Reasons against - I guess it would add a small cost.  And maybe B feel it would cannibalise sales of other product.

Would be ace, though!
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Bob Leonard on October 05, 2014, 02:52:45 pm
What this will make is a nice recording interface for the basement studio. No more $1200 interfaces or dedicated boards running to my Cubase. Other than that it's too cheap to trust for a real job until the product has been proven by all the pioneers and Behringer loving fans out there. And keep in mind that all of the products in Behringers digital lineup are a version of the X32 in one way or another. Smart of Behringer to use their design as a building block, but their not the only apple on the tree.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: john lutz on October 05, 2014, 07:36:03 pm
Do folks think these will be showing up anytime soon?  What did I miss?
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Scott Holtzman on October 06, 2014, 04:01:27 am
Other than that it's too cheap to trust for a real job until the product has been proven by all the pioneers and Behringer loving fans out there.

Nice quote until you tossed the shot in.  Why do you have to be a Behringer lover to see the value in the X32 products?  Do you view X32 as bottom dwelling pond scum and purchasing these products is tantamount to support their earlier corporate sins?  I should spend more, get less just to prove a point?

I know many people that wanted the X32's to fail, to be junk, to lockup on gigs, for iPad's to not be appropriate interfaces.  The longer this stuff is in service the more the credibility of the naysayers is diminished.

BTW, Gulfstream, the manufacturer of what is considered the finest, and the most expensive, private aircraft certified the iPAD as a primary information display.  What this means is critical navigation data can be displayed on the iPad.  I think that managing an aircraft's systems is a bit more 'mission critical' than what we do.

Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: John Roberts {JR} on October 06, 2014, 11:17:31 am
Nice quote until you tossed the shot in.  Why do you have to be a Behringer lover to see the value in the X32 products?  Do you view X32 as bottom dwelling pond scum and purchasing these products is tantamount to support their earlier corporate sins?  I should spend more, get less just to prove a point?

I know many people that wanted the X32's to fail, to be junk, to lockup on gigs, for iPad's to not be appropriate interfaces.  The longer this stuff is in service the more the credibility of the naysayers is diminished.

BTW, Gulfstream, the manufacturer of what is considered the finest, and the most expensive, private aircraft certified the iPAD as a primary information display.  What this means is critical navigation data can be displayed on the iPad.  I think that managing an aircraft's systems is a bit more 'mission critical' than what we do.
I don't think Bob was worried about the IPAD working. People with experience do not dive into the pool without knowing how deep the water is. We all see value in this but until the actual products are proven to work in the target application that is unknown. There is no prize for being the first to own every new gadget. Let someone else be the test dummy. I'm sure there will be no shortage of volunteers.

FWIW I have been predicting that consoles would disappear as separate products, and breaking out the control interface is one step in that evolution. The next step is to embed that computing power elsewhere.

JR
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Luke Geis on October 06, 2014, 11:18:47 pm
My experience thus far and feedback from others with similar products in Behringers digital line is simple. It works flawlessly, sounds good and performs above expectation. The last one is important..... It does perform above expectation. What does that mean? It means if you buy it expecting premature failure, a glitchy interface or simply buyers remorse, you won't find it. I got the X32 Rack expecting it to be more for my bar gigs and other pee-on shows. It has shown me in the last year of ownership, to be the most versatile and compact tool I own. It can do anything better than any small mixer needs to do and hasn't so much as hiccuped once. It has paid for itself 3-4 times already within the first year. I suspect it will last at least another 5 years before it is unsupported or outdated to the degree I can have even more in an even smaller space. By then it will have paid for itself 20x over. Not a bad tool at all.

I am currently in the market for a subcompact digital mixer. By subcompact I mean not rack mounted, but at least 12 channels, digital and has more than the conventional number of outputs. If the big guys would make it and sell it at a reasonable price I would buy it. If there was an LS9 Rack that sold around the 2k mark I would have gotten that instead of the X32, but there isn't one. I wanted a rack mounted mixer that exceeds all client desires that need a mixer at that size and level. The X32 is far and above the ONLY tool like it. It is my feeling that Avid, Yamaha, Soundcraft, A&H and others are behind the curve on seeing what the general market needs; you know, the market that actually spends money...... Who does weddings and small corporate events every week year in and year out? Not Showco, Rat Sound or the other big houses. It's the small guys, bands and mid level houses that move lots of small gear all year long. This is the market that has bought 100,000 X32 mixers across the globe........ I'm not a Behringer fan-boi, I run a small company that does the little stuff every week all year long and makes a living doing nothing but sound. I buy what makes money, not what has the name that one must have on the side of it.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Tim McCulloch on October 06, 2014, 11:40:14 pm
Luke, when you make $2000/desk profit vs. making $20/desk profit you only have to sell 1% of the volume.  And really, there IS a difference between the Avid VENUE series and X32 (or the stock M32).  The difference isn't just in the mark-up. ;)  Where Music Group has done well is scaling their technology down to these smaller products that will likely sell big numbers at the announced price points.

The company I work for has the big-dog mixers AND an X32.  There is profitable use for all of them.  For most of what we do, the "name... on the side of it" DOES matter.  For the ones that don't, or where the conditions suck, the X32 comes an option.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Scott Holtzman on October 07, 2014, 01:34:10 am
Luke hit in on the head.  I was also ready for the X32 to perform like everything else Behringer I ever bough, below average.  It doesn't and it brought a world of capability at a price point that can be used at the low end of the market to provide a better product to clients that aren't use to anything but incompetence and rat fur boxes. 

You can conduct yourself professionally, use quality gear and "wow" your clients.  The X32 vastly improved that ability.

Tim essentially you said that professionalism and delivering a quality product doesn't matter to all the clients you serve.  That statement implies that you can't deliver a quality production without an Avid Mix Rack, to my understanding the entry level is about 35k.  You need that for every show? 

Not everyone can live in the rare air of the large production space, you can win big and you can lose big.

I try to learn from the most experienced members and bring the same attitude, proficiency and process that Tim does to every show.  That's the great thing about the exchanges on this forum. 

The X32 is another tool in my bag that delivers great results.  I don't think asserting that makes someone a "fan boy" of Music Group.  It doesn't mean you are "all in".






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Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Tim McCulloch on October 07, 2014, 06:55:23 am
Luke hit in on the head.  I was also ready for the X32 to perform like everything else Behringer I ever bough, below average.  It doesn't and it brought a world of capability at a price point that can be used at the low end of the market to provide a better product to clients that aren't use to anything but incompetence and rat fur boxes. 

You can conduct yourself professionally, use quality gear and "wow" your clients.  The X32 vastly improved that ability.

Tim essentially you said that professionalism and delivering a quality product doesn't matter to all the clients you serve.  That statement implies that you can't deliver a quality production without an Avid Mix Rack, to my understanding the entry level is about 35k.  You need that for every show? 

Not everyone can live in the rare air of the large production space, you can win big and you can lose big.

I try to learn from the most experienced members and bring the same attitude, proficiency and process that Tim does to every show.  That's the great thing about the exchanges on this forum. 

The X32 is another tool in my bag that delivers great results.  I don't think asserting that makes someone a "fan boy" of Music Group.  It doesn't mean you are "all in".

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No, Scott.  What I said was that brand names matter to some clients regardless of relative merit of competing products.  In their eyes the X32 is not equal to Midas Pro series, Avid Venue series, Yamaha PM5D or CL, etc.  End of story.  When the budget is low and/or there are environmental concerns the X32 is justified by its price if nothing else.

I own an X32, X32 rack and an S16 and manage a firm that just ponied up almost $225k on new power amps.  I believe I have what is called " perspective. "
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Scott Holtzman on October 07, 2014, 10:10:20 am
I don't doubt your perspective and I enjoy reading your posts.

What I was trying to say is it's bad enough to stigmatize the gear, don't lump all the professionals operating it into a lesser category.

The folks with needs that don't require the brands you named or the budget to supply it still deserve what they do rent to be operated professionally.  Properly communicated that value can allow you to charge a premium over your competitors and elevate you out of the pricing game, I would imagine this works at every level.






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Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Tim McCulloch on October 07, 2014, 11:03:02 am
I don't doubt your perspective and I enjoy reading your posts.

What I was trying to say is it's bad enough to stigmatize the gear, don't lump all the professionals operating it into a lesser category.

The folks with needs that don't require the brands you named or the budget to supply it still deserve what they do rent to be operated professionally.  Properly communicated that value can allow you to charge a premium over your competitors and elevate you out of the pricing game, I would imagine this works at every level.

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Scott, that's not what I'm saying.  Please do not mischaracterize my statements.  The choice of console is dictated by either the client's expressly stated desires or our best judgment regarding the needs of the gig and risks of exposure to elements that may damage equipment (and therefore jeopardize tomorrow's gig that requires a Profile or PM5D...

And nowhere did I say that anyone using an X32 is inferior; indeed I own two of them myself and use them.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Ray Aberle on October 07, 2014, 12:54:38 pm
Yeahhhh, I read through the posts and I didn't feel like Tim was disparaging anyone who uses an X32 and can't afford a CL5 or whatever. What he's saying is that when you reach a certain level, consoles (as well as the rest of the rig!) are specified by acceptable brands and models. CL5, PM5D, Profile, SC48-- that's on there both because the techs need consistency from show to show of having the same caliber of console (and sound system) but also because this way they can ensure they're working with a company capable of handling their show. "I need a large format analog desk with 8 VCAs and minimum outboard of 16ch of comps" will weed out (hopefully) the company that will try to offer them an SR24•4. Whereas a good engineer could make that work, if the company skimps on the desk (or hasn't upgraded in years) -- the client is going to wonder what "Else" is being overlooked...

-Ray
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Scott Bolt on October 07, 2014, 09:57:10 pm
Considering the new line of digital mixers we are talking about as the subject of this thread, I think that Behringer has hit a home run.

These new mixers will complete the bottom end of the digital mixer line.

In all honesty, the XR18 is a nicer setup than the current reigning champ the DL1608 due to its recallable gains, multi-track recording ability, and presumably X32 vocal efx which to my ear are much nicer than the DL1608.

At the $500.00 XR16, it is again better than the DL806.

As nice as these two entries are, they really are a "me too" product.  Sure, they are a step up from the reigning champ IMHO, but not really revolutionary in comparison.

The XR12 on the other had is simply unmatched in the industry at this time.  At $300.00 you can get X32 level sound and features that far exceed anything anywhere close to this price range (and some that are more expensive).  I can see lots of solo and duo acts getting one of these things.  Shoot.  This would make a decent backup for my X32 Rack in a pinch since my band uses vDrums and I play guitar through a Kemper rack (ie 4 mic preamps would work for me).  I would only have to settle for a single stereo mix in the IEM sends.  Not bad for a $300.00 backup mixer covering an entire 4 piece band.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Chuck Simon on October 07, 2014, 10:33:39 pm
How do you know the XR12 has "X32 level sound"(what ever that means) ?  How long have you been working with the XR12.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Scott Holtzman on October 08, 2014, 01:34:57 am
Ok, I think it I understand.  Tim said:

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For most of what we do, the "name... on the side of it" DOES matter.  For the ones that don't, or where the conditions suck, the X32 comes an option

I took that to mean that the X32 was used for gigs the don't matter either sonic quality or generally a worthless endeavor that had to be done for some reason or another.  Rereading the paragraph a few times the "For the ones that don't" refers to clients that don't care what name is on the side, doing a good job is still priority 1.

I do feel there is still some stigma to running the X32.  Might be in my head (my wife says it must be a scary place up there!) so perhaps I picked the wrong windmill to tilt at.

Hopefully I cleared this up and no offense taken.




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Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Jerome Malsack on October 08, 2014, 08:15:27 am
One of the things also to consider as these smaller mixers move out into the real world is the operator and the ease of use.  These are replacing the small mixers used by people in conference rooms, weddings, and such.  The operators will not be sound engineers with years of experience.  Ipad and menus on the screens will be key to how these users are able to work and understand the screens they are looking at. 
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Rick Scofield on October 08, 2014, 11:10:18 am
One of the things also to consider as these smaller mixers move out into the real world is the operator and the ease of use.  These are replacing the small mixers used by people in conference rooms, weddings, and such.  The operators will not be sound engineers with years of experience.  Ipad and menus on the screens will be key to how these users are able to work and understand the screens they are looking at.

Agreed, I can't imagine attempting to train a bartender how to use an iPad or iTouch to make changes to a house PA during a big game on the Sports Bar TV that's being routed thru any "X-xx" product.  Might be possible for some savvy folks, but who knows what staff will be on hand at any given moment.  Who stole the iPad?!

I'd love to see a simple controller (maybe the BCF thing will do?) that can be placed securely away from spilled beverages, that can be programmed for the basic tasks a super-noob could handle.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Corey Scogin on October 08, 2014, 11:45:38 am
Agreed, I can't imagine attempting to train a bartender how to use an iPad or iTouch to make changes to a house PA during a big game on the Sports Bar TV that's being routed thru any "X-xx" product.  Might be possible for some savvy folks, but who knows what staff will be on hand at any given moment.  Who stole the iPad?!

I'd love to see a simple controller (maybe the BCF thing will do?) that can be placed securely away from spilled beverages, that can be programmed for the basic tasks a super-noob could handle.

Addressing the product of this topic, if the Behringer XR series supports the OSC protocol like the X32 then an installer could build a very simple application to be used on an iPad/PC/etc that only exposed the needed controls to the end user.

TouchOSC (http://hexler.net/) is one example of a really easy to customize UI application.

I agree that a simple hardware controller would be even better for the bar situation.

Edit: PS: And if this market becomes big enough, it wouldn't be difficult to integrate OSC into building automation systems (this may already be available) so that dedicated hardware pieces (like a wall plate switch) could control input selection, etc.  ...just an idea.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Aram Piligian on October 08, 2014, 12:54:49 pm
Edit: PS: And if this market becomes big enough, it wouldn't be difficult to integrate OSC into building automation systems (this may already be available) so that dedicated hardware pieces (like a wall plate switch) could control input selection, etc.  ...just an idea.

Easy peasey.  (Though, you'd have to get someone to program it for you :) )

Crestron, for instance, has midi interface cards: http://www.crestron.com/resources/product_and_programming_resources/catalogs_and_brochures/online_catalog/default.asp?cat=3&subcat=46&id=138 (http://www.crestron.com/resources/product_and_programming_resources/catalogs_and_brochures/online_catalog/default.asp?cat=3&subcat=46&id=138).  You could easily have a touchpanel on the wall for a bartender to navigate presets for "Sports" "DJ" "Band" and have these as scenes on the board. 

Of course, nothing about this is cheap, and a bar owner would really need a compelling reason to spend the money on it that could be going elsewhere...
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Scott Holtzman on October 08, 2014, 05:29:11 pm
Easy peasey.  (Though, you'd have to get someone to program it for you :) )

Crestron, for instance, has midi interface cards: http://www.crestron.com/resources/product_and_programming_resources/catalogs_and_brochures/online_catalog/default.asp?cat=3&subcat=46&id=138 (http://www.crestron.com/resources/product_and_programming_resources/catalogs_and_brochures/online_catalog/default.asp?cat=3&subcat=46&id=138).  You could easily have a touchpanel on the wall for a bartender to navigate presets for "Sports" "DJ" "Band" and have these as scenes on the board. 

Of course, nothing about this is cheap, and a bar owner would really need a compelling reason to spend the money on it that could be going elsewhere...

This is exciting stuff.  Example, have a cafeteria/auditorium at a church.  Right now there is a small EV automixer mounted in the podium.  If the kids are doing something in the auditorium I bring a system in.  However during the week the room is rented out and all they have to do is toss a switch and the PA comes on.  Of course nobody sets levels.  The problem is the mixer in the podium.  Lots of times I will pop in on these renters and fix the sound for them but for some odd reason it is uncomfortable for me to stick me head between their legs while they are speaking.  If I could have a volume control exposed for everyone but a control program available for the technically anointed accessible via wife we would have the best of both worlds.   I think the $300 unit is going to show up in all sorts of applications and the midi control will allow traditional amp/mixer controls to be emulated.

Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Alec Spence on October 08, 2014, 07:25:28 pm
I'd love to see a simple controller (maybe the BCF thing will do?) that can be placed securely away from spilled beverages, that can be programmed for the basic tasks a super-noob could handle.
The originally posted video does talk about using the BCF controller to provide faders via MIDI control.  And, presumably, the X-Touch range of controllers should also work.  Of course this, like the other solutions mentioned, costs - eating into the appeal of the initial low price.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on October 09, 2014, 01:22:36 pm
Wow…..here they are….no delays it would seem.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/X18
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/XR18
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/XR16
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/XR12

The XR18 is $100 less than the X18.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on October 09, 2014, 01:26:35 pm
Wow…..here they are….no delays it would seem.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/X18
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/XR18
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/XR16
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/XR12

The XR18 is $100 less than the X18.

Pre- order on the racks but the X18 is in stock...
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: jeff.yarsa on October 09, 2014, 05:02:05 pm
Can you get to all the FX functions on the Android app? The one time I used it I could not tap delay times which made it a deal breaker for me.

Yes either through the fx rack directly or if you have a user assignable button for the tap
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Gordon Waugh on October 09, 2014, 11:37:18 pm
Pre- order on the racks but the X18 is in stock...

I have the x air demo app on my ipad. It looks like a work in progress. How can they be shipping now? No RTA, no saving of settings, limited efects. And the dynamics have very limited controls.


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Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Ned Ward on October 10, 2014, 12:03:50 am
Hopefully for me, this means deals on the last gen Mackies as people sell those to snap up these (bye bye snake). I'm happy to buy depreciated audio gear, considering my current mixer was introduced 16 years ago... but tired of lugging the damn thing around.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Scott Holtzman on October 10, 2014, 02:06:23 am
Our1608 has been solid as a rock.  Oddly I never worry about 1608 the Behringer I don't have enough history yet though it has never been an issue.

I hope you are a good sniper on eBay. I am watching the Mackie DL market.  There are several undervalued assets in the maker right now.   
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Scott Olewiler on October 10, 2014, 06:21:34 am
I have the x air demo app on my ipad. It looks like a work in progress. How can they be shipping now? No RTA, no saving of settings, limited efects. And the dynamics have very limited controls.


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I downloaded it last night. Only has option for the X18 for now and on my iPad running 8.0.2 it just acts crazy. Nonstop signals peaking on random channels, channel 6 and 14 are linked with no apparent way to unlink them.  Channel 1 is now between 12 and 15. I think I moved it playing around but can not find a way to move it back.Seems like there are  menu options missing.  Once I choose the only mixer option it gave me there is no way to gte back to the home screen again. The HPF doesn't indicate what frequency you're actually cutting at. The compressor has no make up gain.

There is no way I'd be ordering the X18 with the app functioning like this. Perhpas it's the new iOS or maybe it's funky because there's no actual mixer connected to it, but I have every app for every mixer discussed on here and none of them act funny with no mixer connected.  IMHO this app is non-functioning.  I was looking at the XR18 as a poosible rack mounted option to increase the channel count for my 1608 (sub mix some stuff out when I needed a few extra channels, different app would make it easy to know which mixer you were looking at) but that's off the table for now.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Corey Scogin on October 10, 2014, 11:02:10 am
Nonstop signals peaking on random channels, channel 6 and 14 are linked with no apparent way to unlink them.  Channel 1 is now between 12 and 15. I think I moved it playing around but can not find a way to move it back.

From what I could gather, the demo mode makes the meters jump around just so that you can see them working.
I was able to link and unlink channels and re-arrange them without issue.  I don't have the iPad in front of me to describe how though.

I'm not saying it's a polished app at all, I'm just saying that those two things are by design for demo purposes. 

I like the channel linking/grouping method.  It really takes advantage of screen space.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: john lutz on October 10, 2014, 12:14:04 pm
From what I could gather, the demo mode makes the meters jump around just so that you can see them working.
I was able to link and unlink channels and re-arrange them without issue.  I don't have the iPad in front of me to describe how though.

I'm not saying it's a polished app at all, I'm just saying that those two things are by design for demo purposes. 

I like the channel linking/grouping method.  It really takes advantage of screen space.

Is it possible to tell if channel strip dynamics/eq are pre/post aux assignable?
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Ned Ward on October 10, 2014, 12:56:28 pm
Our1608 has been solid as a rock.  Oddly I never worry about 1608 the Behringer I don't have enough history yet though it has never been an issue.

I hope you are a good sniper on eBay. I am watching the Mackie DL market.  There are several undervalued assets in the maker right now.


Scott - great to hear. I'd rather buy something that's been proven out in the field and has a more mature app - I downloaded it and messed around on my iPad, and wow - just great. No knocks against the Behringer, but I don't have a need with our band needs to be on the bleeding or even cutting edge.


My back is already pleading to get it and get rid of the big 22" mixer rack combo case...
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Gordon Waugh on October 10, 2014, 01:06:07 pm
I wonder if the advent of digital mixers with little or no physical controls will lead to much better apps. The quality of the app is much more important when there are no knobs. In the 1990s, many people were willing to spend more money on Macintosh computers compared to DOS-based PCs because the interface was so much better. I would be willing to do the same with mixers.

I am not a fan of skeumorphism in software design which attempts to make the computer interface look exactly like the physical interface it replaces. Then you are stuck with the limitations of a physical hardware interface. I really like the Mackie DL1608 app and what I have seen of the new Presonus app. For example, the Presonus app uses popup sliders instead of rotary knobs. They are very easy to manipulate and take up no screen space until you use them.




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Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on October 10, 2014, 01:23:10 pm
I love my QU16 -as most of you know already - and I use my iPad all the time. I really enjoy mixing this way.
However, I downloaded some others apps, Mackie, Behringer etc a couple of months ago to check them out and I must admit the QUpad app could be a lot better.
One thing I don't like with the Qupad app is that it seems to take too long to settle once you swipe to show more channels. 
There is also the very difficult to adjust PEQ curve which has been mentioned more than once by folks.
Then there is the lack of ability to select FX types and recall certain functions. I am hoping that it gets better with firmware updates. A&H have done a good job keeping up with QU16 users requests so far so I have no complaints.
At the end of the day, I chose my QU16 for its capabilities and quality. The iPad control was a bonus. I just didn't realize how much I was going to utilize the iPad when I purchased the console.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: John Chiara on October 10, 2014, 01:32:29 pm
The X 32 iPad app pretty much covers all my mixing needs. Some functions are much easier to access and adjust than on the console.i would love more DCA's and/or a totally customizable layer, but I can do a show and NEVER have to access the physical console. The SL app for the first ten and AI consoles is just a PITA mainly because of console limitations. I have 5 groups now set up with X32R and more to come.
Title: XR Firmware Update ?
Post by: Bob Harvey on October 12, 2014, 01:30:03 pm
With no flash drive socket, how do you think the firmware will be updated ... USB extension cable ?
Title: Re: XR Firmware Update ?
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on October 12, 2014, 02:23:07 pm
With no flash drive socket, how do you think the firmware will be updated ... USB extension cable ?

Not sure what you mean  Bob - if your comment was to me.

I was referring to updating QU16 firmware and iPad app to accomodate improved functions on the iPad. This has already been done 4 times already and I assume will continue to improve. I do like what has been done so far - I just think there are more updates possible to improve the app even more.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Scott Holtzman on October 12, 2014, 02:28:07 pm

Scott - great to hear. I'd rather buy something that's been proven out in the field and has a more mature app - I downloaded it and messed around on my iPad, and wow - just great. No knocks against the Behringer, but I don't have a need with our band needs to be on the bleeding or even cutting edge.


My back is already pleading to get it and get rid of the big 22" mixer rack combo case...
I am not suggesting using one of these new models.  I think an x22 producer (I happen to have one for sale as I am upgrading to an other full size x32)

The effects are very weak on the Mackie and the compressors are just OK.  I also think you will appreciate recallable preamps and physical desk if you want to mix that way.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on October 12, 2014, 02:55:27 pm

One thing I don't like with the Qupad app is that it seems to take too long to settle once you swipe to show more channels. 

I seldom have to swipe to access channels, preferring to set up my two custom layers and toggle between them.  These, combined with the top layer, allow me to access any channels with a quick "click".

Quote
There is also the very difficult to adjust PEQ curve which has been mentioned more than once by folks.

Practice makes perfect...or at least better.  I agree that it's awkward in the beginning.  But once you get used to the fact that the two-finger pinch move can be done on-screen in any orientation and area (once you have highlighted the desired filter) it gets much easier.  The trick I use is to work from a stock base-line scene in which the channel PEQ's are default set to three minimum width filters and a high shelf.  It's a lot easier to widen the filters (for me, anyhow) and most of the channel PEQ I want is the 1/9 filter.

I also set the channel input gains to "off" rather than the factory default of 27.  It's uncomfortable for me to be patching the stage with every channel gained up.

Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on October 12, 2014, 05:41:10 pm
I seldom have to swipe to access channels, preferring to set up my two custom layers and toggle between them.  These, combined with the top layer, allow me to access any channels with a quick "click".


Good idea Dick…I hadn't thought of that - so much quicker - DUH...


Practice makes perfect...or at least better.  I agree that it's awkward in the beginning.  But once you get used to the fact that the two-finger pinch move can be done on-screen in any orientation and area (once you have highlighted the desired filter) it gets much easier.  The trick I use is to work from a stock base-line scene in which the channel PEQ's are default set to three minimum width filters and a high shelf.  It's a lot easier to widen the filters (for me, anyhow) and most of the channel PEQ I want is the 1/9 filter.

I also set the channel input gains to "off" rather than the factory default of 27.  It's uncomfortable for me to be patching the stage with every channel gained up.

I have found it much easier to widen the filters too and sometimes whilst keeping the db setting down, I'll widen out the Q and then decrease it again before increasing the db. Its just a bit finicky….
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on October 12, 2014, 06:26:33 pm
DD...

Practice x 3 !

The tendency is to spread your fingers wide to pinch the filter narrower, but you'll get the same result or better with fewer inadvertent adjustments with just a tiny pinch.

As I mentioned before, you can highlight the filter you want to adjust, then do your pinches in another part of the window so you can see the results on the screen without their being obscured by your fingers.  I pretty much always use the 4th filter as a high shelf, so it's the last one to dial in...or the least critical one should the pinch move inadvertently cause a change.  So I tend to do all my pinching in that area, then restore the shelf if it has changed.

It's quite remarkable how small a pinch it takes to narrow or widen a filter.  Itty-bitty moves work better.  Give it a try and let me know if it doesn't make it work 10x better.

DR
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on October 12, 2014, 06:30:41 pm
DD...

Practice x 3 !

The tendency is to spread your fingers wide to pinch the filter narrower, but you'll get the same result or better with fewer inadvertent adjustments with just a tiny pinch.

As I mentioned before, you can highlight the filter you want to adjust, then do your pinches in another part of the window so you can see the results on the screen without their being obscured by your fingers.  I pretty much always use the 4th filter as a high shelf, so it's the last one to dial in...or the least critical one should the pinch move inadvertently cause a change.  So I tend to do all my pinching in that area, then restore the shelf if it has changed.

It's quite remarkable how small a pinch it takes to narrow or widen a filter.  Itty-bitty moves work better.  Give it a try and let me know if it doesn't make it work 10x better.

DR


Yes Sir - will do  :)
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Thomas Le on October 14, 2014, 02:34:31 pm
Sweetwater has pix & price:

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/search.php?s=s:behringer-xair-mixers

Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: john lutz on October 15, 2014, 11:09:25 am
Sweetwater has pix & price:

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/search.php?s=s:behringer-xair-mixers

It's great to look forward but....these thing could take years yet!  Hard to get too excited.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on October 30, 2014, 09:15:11 am
Anyone taken the plunge yet and willing to share???
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: john lutz on October 30, 2014, 10:45:06 am
Anyone taken the plunge yet and willing to share???

Where do you see ANY that can have hands laid on yet ?
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on October 30, 2014, 10:52:31 am
Where do you see ANY that can have hands laid on yet ?

The X18 has been in stock at Sweetwater for weeks. Just checked and it still is.

I think the rack version will prove to be the most popular in the series but I wondered if anyone had been able to try one out yet.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: john lutz on October 30, 2014, 11:14:20 am
The X18 has been in stock at Sweetwater for weeks. Just checked and it still is.

I think the rack version will prove to be the most popular in the series but I wondered if anyone had been able to try one out yet.

Just came from the web site and it sez this:

"Behringer expects the X18 to be available by December 2014. We have a great relationship with Behringer and will receive units from the very first shipment. Call us today to reserve yours and we'll get it to you as soon as our first shipment arrives. "

???
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on October 30, 2014, 01:51:02 pm
Just came from the web site and it sez this:

"Behringer expects the X18 to be available by December 2014. We have a great relationship with Behringer and will receive units from the very first shipment. Call us today to reserve yours and we'll get it to you as soon as our first shipment arrives. "

???

Really? I wonder why they show pre-order on all the others but not on this one… Anyway, I know many of the members here often get hold of new products so would love to hear from anyone who has been able to….
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Jon C Thomas on December 08, 2014, 11:35:37 am
Really? I wonder why they show pre-order on all the others but not on this one… Anyway, I know many of the members here often get hold of new products so would love to hear from anyone who has been able to….
Pre order only on XR mixers (x18 desktop is available). I am looking forward to a few real world reviews as I just sold my mixer & snake. Anyone know when they will hit the stores?
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Jeff Hague on December 08, 2014, 08:14:06 pm
100% wireless inputs...mics and DI's.  Wireless sends to your powered speakers.  No audio cabling, just the obligatory AC unless Tesla reincarnates.

Dont count Tesla out just yet - theyare actually working on transmitting AC power over the air. I like ther idea except Im worried about what it might do to my hair  :P
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Scott Bolt on December 08, 2014, 08:21:39 pm
Dont count Tesla out just yet - theyare actually working on transmitting AC power over the air. I like ther idea except Im worried about what it might do to my hair  :P
I don't see it happening on our lifetime .... or even our kids for that matter.

The two biggest issues are:
Aside from this .... piece of cake ;)
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: dave briar on December 08, 2014, 08:50:27 pm
I don't see it happening on our lifetime .... or even our kids for that matter.

The two biggest issues are:
  • Even wave guided energy drops off over distance at a tremendous rate.
  • Standing between point A and point B will kill you.
Aside from this .... piece of cake ;)
Yea but there must be downsides as well right? <wink>!

   ..dave
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Rich Grisier on December 09, 2014, 12:10:00 am
Anyone know when they will hit the stores?

B&H (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=1095112&gclid=CKTRoJeYuMICFZOMaQoddAsAWg&Q=&is=REG&A=details) says "Expected Feb 1, 2015".
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Bob Leonard on December 09, 2014, 02:20:37 pm
One place I worry about with these is the built in WIFI.
2.4gHz is too crowded in most venues. I doubt it is dual band. I only use 5gHz.
I hope they include reasonable security options. I sure wouldn't want the punters taking over mid show.


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I have to agree. All eggs in one basket does not a happy camper make. Bandwidth, interference from other devices, etc. will all take their toll, and probably right when you need connectivity the most. Hell, I have a very reliable network in my home and still have problems with the TV WIFI connections and it's only 50' from the router.

And did anyone notice that in the video the preamps were no longer Midas designed, but "the same Midas preamps found in the X-32."
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Jon C Thomas on December 09, 2014, 04:03:36 pm
I have to agree. All eggs in one basket does not a happy camper make. Bandwidth, interference from other devices, etc. will all take their toll, and probably right when you need connectivity the most. Hell, I have a very reliable network in my home and still have problems with the TV WIFI connections and it's only 50' from the router.

And did anyone notice that in the video the preamps were no longer Midas designed, but "the same Midas preamps found in the X-32."

Only a matter of time before some prankster brings a cheap wifi jammer to mess up a show, not worried about it at my level but something to keep in mind if your $ and reputation are on the line.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Scott Bolt on December 09, 2014, 06:26:46 pm
You can also plug your own router into it .... or go direct from a PC through an Ethernet cable.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Josh Hana on February 25, 2015, 02:11:26 pm
Took delivery of my XR18 this week, I'm really excited to use it. I haven't had much time to play around with it, but the ipad app looks nice.
Seems to be missing a few key things though, or maybe I just haven't looked around enough:

input ch HPF numerical value
Output delay?
changing fx units
"dugan"/automixer settings

Also, a Mac OS control software would be nice, the Windows one is still in beta so I'm hoping that Mac is coming down the line at some point.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: John Roberts {JR} on February 25, 2015, 02:30:15 pm
Took delivery of my XR18 this week, I'm really excited to use it. I haven't had much time to play around with it, but the ipad app looks nice.
Seems to be missing a few key things though, or maybe I just haven't looked around enough:

input ch HPF numerical value
Output delay?
changing fx units
"dugan"/automixer settings

Also, a Mac OS control software would be nice, the Windows one is still in beta so I'm hoping that Mac is coming down the line at some point.
I have long been predicting that Dan's gain sharing algorithm would show up for free in digital mixers since there is no real cost involved other than software and control overhead. The patent is long since expired so the technology is public domain and free to use.

To blatantly use his name in marketing seems bold unless they are compensating him for that. I hope they are but I am afraid to ask him..

JR 

[/edit] on their website they say the Dugan is future firmware?   gotcha   [/edit]
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: James A. Griffin on February 28, 2015, 04:36:31 pm
Took delivery of my XR18 this week, I'm really excited to use it. I haven't had much time to play around with it, but the ipad app looks nice.
Seems to be missing a few key things though, or maybe I just haven't looked around enough:

input ch HPF numerical value
Output delay?
changing fx units
"dugan"/automixer settings

Also, a Mac OS control software would be nice, the Windows one is still in beta so I'm hoping that Mac is coming down the line at some point.

I got mine 10 days ago or so too.   The iPad App doesn't yet have all of the functionality, but I'm assured updates are coming soon.     John DiNicola says the next gen app is already awaiting approval from Apple before being released on iTunes.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: ChristianBoche on March 04, 2015, 03:13:29 am
Took delivery of my XR18 this week, I'm really excited to use it. I haven't had much time to play around with it, but the ipad app looks nice.
Seems to be missing a few key things though, or maybe I just haven't looked around enough:

input ch HPF numerical value
Output delay?
changing fx units
"dugan"/automixer settings

Also, a Mac OS control software would be nice, the Windows one is still in beta so I'm hoping that Mac is coming down the line at some point.

You can view the HPF value in the X-Air Edit, now available for PC, Mac und Linux-->
http://www.behringer.com/EN/products/XR18.aspx#softwareContent
The X-Air Edit is also needed for firmware updates. They just released a new one.
Mute Groups and automixer function will be implemented later.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Dan Mortensen on March 09, 2015, 10:07:30 pm
My XR-18's came on Friday, and I've been messing around with one and reading all the Internet user posts I can find. There is a lot of discussion at the Behringer X Air forum.

There are a number of positives as well as negatives.

Positives:

Nice build quality. The box seems very solid and well put together.

Nice features. Like a smaller, no display version of the Rack, as has been said here.

Dual XLR/TRS connectors on every input.

People who've used it say it has great sound (I haven't put audio through mine yet).

Negatives:

Odd to me that the XLR males are mounted upside down. APB does that, too.

Built in router only uses WEP security, which I'm told is the same as no security at all. Easy to connect an outboard router, and that works fine within the limits of...

iPad app is not complete.
     -No DCA's, subgroups, mute groups, any user groupings at all.
     -No graphs for PEQ, only knobs.
     -Color scheme is almost monochrome, hard for me to read at first brush.
     -Four effects slots apparently with 60 effects choices, but no way on iPad to change effects. Android app apparently has more features.

As was mentioned here, new iPad app is waiting for Apple approval, and with any luck it will more closely mirror the X32 app.

-No indicator on app showing that remote control is connected to console, but there is a big notification that appears when connection is lost. This seems to be true on Android as well.

I haven't tried either the Android or the XR Edit programs.

All in all, it's promising but clearly not quite ready; Behringer seems to be working on it, though, and these obvious issues should be solved reasonably shortly.

What's really interesting is that many in the target audience of musician users are vociferously angry that the entire system isn't fully complete and ready to be used right now, because they are actually using it right now with no backup in case things aren't working perfectly right now.

I think it's going to be a nifty product when it's more done.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Scott Bolt on March 10, 2015, 03:33:27 pm
My XR-18's came on Friday, and I've been messing around with one and reading all the Internet user posts I can find. There is a lot of discussion at the Behringer X Air forum.

There are a number of positives as well as negatives.

Positives:

Nice build quality. The box seems very solid and well put together.

Nice features. Like a smaller, no display version of the Rack, as has been said here.

Dual XLR/TRS connectors on every input.

People who've used it say it has great sound (I haven't put audio through mine yet).

Negatives:

Odd to me that the XLR males are mounted upside down. APB does that, too.

Built in router only uses WEP security, which I'm told is the same as no security at all. Easy to connect an outboard router, and that works fine within the limits of...

iPad app is not complete.
     -No DCA's, subgroups, mute groups, any user groupings at all.
     -No graphs for PEQ, only knobs.
     -Color scheme is almost monochrome, hard for me to read at first brush.
     -Four effects slots apparently with 60 effects choices, but no way on iPad to change effects. Android app apparently has more features.

As was mentioned here, new iPad app is waiting for Apple approval, and with any luck it will more closely mirror the X32 app.

-No indicator on app showing that remote control is connected to console, but there is a big notification that appears when connection is lost. This seems to be true on Android as well.

I haven't tried either the Android or the XR Edit programs.

All in all, it's promising but clearly not quite ready; Behringer seems to be working on it, though, and these obvious issues should be solved reasonably shortly.

What's really interesting is that many in the target audience of musician users are vociferously angry that the entire system isn't fully complete and ready to be used right now, because they are actually using it right now with no backup in case things aren't working perfectly right now.

I think it's going to be a nifty product when it's more done.
Hey Dan,

They hid the ability to create DCA's pretty well, but it is there ..... and pretty neat once you know how to do it.

At the top of the APP on the home screen, select "setup".
In the middle of the screen you will see "CHANNEL LAYOUT".  Press "EDIT".
If you wanted to make a group out of channels 1 and 2, you would drag 1 onto 2 and let go.  If you drag more channels onto the group, they are added too.
After you leave layout mode, you can operate the group as a big fader OR if you select the "<" on the bar above the group, you can adjust each level inside the group individually.

Like I said, it is pretty difficult to figure out, but pretty nice once you do :)
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Jesse Walter on March 10, 2015, 08:50:52 pm
Got mine last week.  Using the IOS app.  Demo'd the Android app at Best Buy but didn't like the layout at all.  Doing testing this week at home and hope to use it for a 5 piece band Saturday.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Dan Mortensen on March 11, 2015, 02:37:11 am
Hey Dan,

They hid the ability to create DCA's pretty well, but it is there ..... and pretty neat once you know how to do it.

At the top of the APP on the home screen, select "setup".
In the middle of the screen you will see "CHANNEL LAYOUT".  Press "EDIT".
If you wanted to make a group out of channels 1 and 2, you would drag 1 onto 2 and let go.  If you drag more channels onto the group, they are added too.
After you leave layout mode, you can operate the group as a big fader OR if you select the "<" on the bar above the group, you can adjust each level inside the group individually.

Like I said, it is pretty difficult to figure out, but pretty nice once you do :)

Whoa, that wasn't the form I was expecting! Funny how this digital stuff can shape-shift.

How did you figure that out? I just figured out today that channel layout also lets you put one of a linked pair way off to the side, so it's like left is on the visible layer and right is on the hidden layer. I figured out the two channel group thing, but figured it was just for linked channels, and had no idea you could add more channels.

Is that group thing you described subgroups or DCA's?

Have you found any mute groups? Do the DCA's mute like they do on the X32, so that they mute auxes, too?

Thanks, Scott!
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Jay Marr on March 11, 2015, 10:38:58 am
Hey Dan,

They hid the ability to create DCA's pretty well, but it is there ..... and pretty neat once you know how to do it.

At the top of the APP on the home screen, select "setup".
In the middle of the screen you will see "CHANNEL LAYOUT".  Press "EDIT".
If you wanted to make a group out of channels 1 and 2, you would drag 1 onto 2 and let go.  If you drag more channels onto the group, they are added too.
After you leave layout mode, you can operate the group as a big fader OR if you select the "<" on the bar above the group, you can adjust each level inside the group individually.

Like I said, it is pretty difficult to figure out, but pretty nice once you do :)

I tried this last night in Demo mode, but it didn't seem to work. (assuming it's because i'm not connected)
I got the XR-18 this week, but haven't had much time to mess with it (while connected).
I'm an X-rack user as well, so I thought this would be a good rehearsal mixer for me.

Compared to the X-32 app, the X-Air app leaves a lot to be desired.
I have faith that the app will be improved, but in the meantime, I'm thinking about buying a Droid tablet.  I've tried the Droid app on my phone and I like it (as it's closer to the X-32 app in regards to layers, etc).

Does anyone know if there are system requirements for which Droid tablets will work?
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Dan Mortensen on March 11, 2015, 03:09:43 pm
Hey Dan,

They hid the ability to create DCA's pretty well, but it is there ..... and pretty neat once you know how to do it.


Apparently it's also easier if you RTFM, or in this case, WTFV:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr1SBLhwgiY&list=PLkfJvKuL08vHy4lk3TxQQddYrWyqzA9b4

Bunch of interesting videos showing the current lack of features on the ipad app but how chock full the little box is.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Scott Bolt on March 11, 2015, 03:45:00 pm
Apparently it's also easier if you RTFM, or in this case, WTFV:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr1SBLhwgiY&list=PLkfJvKuL08vHy4lk3TxQQddYrWyqzA9b4

Bunch of interesting videos showing the current lack of features on the ipad app but how chock full the little box is.
LOL. 

In all honesty, I remember figuring it out when the first beta was released, but it took me some time after reading your post to pull up the latest version of the app and find out how to get it going again.  It isn't really that straight forward IMO.  I think there should be a quick button on the right .... where the zoom in and out button is .... to get you in and out of DCA edit mode.  Hiding the capability under menus guarantees people won't find it easily.

Jay, it works in demo mode .... that is all I have since I haven't bought an XR mixer .... yet.  I am waiting on the XR12 :)
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Kevin Bayersdorfer on March 27, 2015, 09:12:32 pm
I just got mine last week. I haven't done a gig with it yet (next is Apr 18th). I have been spending a few hours a night with it and love it. I have been using the PC edit, and the droid app. I really, really like this. I am coming from a 16 channel analog board and one, 6 space rack and one, 4 space rack. So from 200 pounds and 25 shoe boxes to 12 pounds and a single shoe box is a welcomed relief. I have recorded some with a few DAW's, Downloaded a few multitrack songs and played them back in the DAW through the mixer over USB. Pretty much everything has been flawless. I was also able to interface DJ software (Virtual DJ) through the USB into channels 17/18. I am a small timer with a full time Job, I have a decent gig for me in about a month, 2 day event, 7 bands one day 4 the next. I already have stage plots from the bands and their scribble strips set up in scenes. I also got rough settings going. .. 
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: claude cascioli on March 31, 2015, 05:56:09 pm
Wait and see what comes out next year...
stay away from anything berringer
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Corey Scogin on March 31, 2015, 06:06:25 pm
stay away from anything berringer

What is berringer?

Oh, you mean Behringer.

Stay away from anything purple.  That's my unsubstantiated advice for the day.

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Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: Richard Turner on March 31, 2015, 06:53:03 pm
Could a couple of you please start a user review thread in the gear review section once yo have a couple gigs on the boxes. I'm interested in the XR18 X air

Looking at a second digi board and the XR18 Xair and QUpac are both on the short list.
Title: Re: New Behringer series of digital mixers.
Post by: James A. Griffin on April 04, 2015, 03:28:01 pm
The XR Air XR18  iPad app was updated yesterday...  It's the huge improvement we've been waiting for.   Full Setup functionality, including Routing, Effects, Monitor, etc....

Looking forward to the gig tonight