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Title: QU-24 update
Post by: John Halliburton on June 21, 2014, 10:39:25 am
Had my second gig with the QU-24 last night.  A bunch of well known local Irish musicians, some I've known for thirty years.

And for the second time, got compliments about how great the monitor sound was.  I'm still attributing this to the full parametrics and variable HPF on every channel.  Gates and compression were not in use.

I should however, just come out and say that it must be the preamps. ;>)

I also recorded last night's gig, multitrack to a USB hard drive.  Pretty easy to do, I have to admit.  I noticed something that took a while to figure out-I could hear hf hash of the drive working bleeding into the house speakers.  Finally started running through each channel on PAFL with the headphones, and discovered it was the ST3 channel picking it up-I had the trim up pretty high, as I wasn't driving my iphone output very high.  Once I turned that down, the noise disappeared.

I'm enjoying the new mixer a lot.  Picked up the second ever R&R Cases product made for a QU-24.  Yes, it is forest green. 

Best regards,

John

Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: Bob Leonard on June 22, 2014, 12:11:52 am
That's a great looking rig John, and I like the green. Road Ready?
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: Tim McCulloch on June 22, 2014, 12:23:03 am
That's a great looking rig John, and I like the green. Road Ready?


Nope. R&R Cases from Chicago.  The were/are the OEM woodworker for EV's tour products as well as case builders extraordinaire.
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: Bob Leonard on June 22, 2014, 04:15:04 am
I see it's not a big deal for an old road warrior to use tape for channel markers. Kids today, all hung up on digital words you can't read.
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: Mike Christy on June 22, 2014, 08:04:30 am
I just ordered a QU-24 from Mike Pyle - prior to reading your post John - so I feel much better buying sight unheard having positive comments from you. I'm going to miss my ole 01V96 workhorse I think...

I think Mike may have cases available too.

Did you use the ipad app?

Mike
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: John Halliburton on June 22, 2014, 10:35:41 am
I just ordered a QU-24 from Mike Pyle - prior to reading your post John - so I feel much better buying sight unheard having positive comments from you. I'm going to miss my ole 01V96 workhorse I think...

I think Mike may have cases available too.

Did you use the ipad app?

Mike

Mike,

I think you'll find the workflow a bit more intuitive on the QU-24, and certainly the fact there's parametrics, graphics, comps, gates, delay, etc. on darn near every input/output to be very nice.  No "hidden" double clicks of buttons to send a particular mix to faders either.  I'm developing a two handed mix approach, where my right hand is on the master section, able to reach all the mix and fx buttons easily then adjust master fader accordingly.  Left hand handles channel stuff. 

As for the wireless setup, yes, I plan to do this, just haven't done so yet.  The R&R Cases set up has the mixer lying with it's surface parallel to the case top/bottom as you can see, giving a nice rectangular volume underneath-I plan to build a "sidecar" that will house the power cord, Littlite, USB hard drive, and the wireless router.  I'm hoping to make it so I can pull it out of the case, and set it next to the right side of the mixer with the hard drive in a slot sitting with it's cable pointing up, so it's an easy reach over to the USB jack on the top of the mixer.  Hoping to design something eloquent for the wireless router too.  I'll probably pass on a cup holder in the layout. ;>)

Bob,

R&R Cases, "The World's Toughest": www.rrcases.com

Pretty much all custom, made to order, although they do try to keep the heavy duty fiberglassed 1/4x1/2 fiberglassed cable trunks on hand.

I've been dealing with them since the late 80's, Intersonics, then Servodrive/Sound Physics Labs used to have the larger horn cabinet designs built there, while I built subassemblies and smaller cabinets in house.  For all my main system, the cases are all R&R.  My first 10u rack from them is 25 years old and still going strong.

I'm also glad A&H decided to not go with a digital scribble strip on the QU series-it makes no sense at this price point, and I agree, some are tough to read.

Mike-call R&R, get Bob on extension 16, and talk about a case. 

Best regards,

John
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: Mike Pyle on June 22, 2014, 03:34:42 pm
John,

Would there be room in that R&R case to pack an AR2412 underneath the mixer?
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: John Halliburton on June 22, 2014, 06:19:08 pm
John,

Would there be room in that R&R case to pack an AR2412 underneath the mixer?


I don't think so, it looks a little  big for the space, but A&H doesn't have dimensions listed in the documents for the AR2412 to verify this.

If someone has them post here, but I'll email A&H to ask. 

As R&R only does made to order work, I'd think it would be a simple matter to alter the height of the case and make it fit.

Best regards,

John
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on June 22, 2014, 07:13:55 pm

I don't think so, it looks a little  big for the space, but A&H doesn't have dimensions listed in the documents for the AR2412 to verify this.

If someone has them post here, but I'll email A&H to ask. 

As R&R only does made to order work, I'd think it would be a simple matter to alter the height of the case and make it fit.

Best regards,

John

Since the AR2412 is a rack-mount piece, i'd think that you' be better off just using an appropriately sized road rack for the obvious reasons.  And although I use the empty space under my Qu-16 to carry headphones, router and various FOH toys, I'd think twice about adding the weight of a stage box to the mixer case. 

An AR84 wouldn't be too bad, though.
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: John Halliburton on June 22, 2014, 10:32:00 pm
Since the AR2412 is a rack-mount piece, i'd think that you' be better off just using an appropriately sized road rack for the obvious reasons.  And although I use the empty space under my Qu-16 to carry headphones, router and various FOH toys, I'd think twice about adding the weight of a stage box to the mixer case. 

An AR84 wouldn't be too bad, though.

My thought too.  One of the shallow rack cases from EWI should be ideal.

Best regards,

John
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: John Halliburton on June 24, 2014, 04:29:27 pm
In other news today, V 1.5 firmware update is announced for the QU-24.  I received a .pdf from my dealer which goes over the updates.

Primary one:  DCAs.  Four, assignable in the custom layer.  Also, channel naming, which appears in the screen, and a couple of other things.

Best regards,

John
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: Mike Christy on June 24, 2014, 06:32:11 pm
It's Christmas and I haven't even got my tree decorated yet!
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: Rob Spence on June 24, 2014, 07:29:25 pm
I have my AR2412 in an original series SKB 4U case I had lying around. I made up a 1u power unit with Powercons (1 in & 3 out) on the front and a 5-15 on the rear. The cord stores in the back.

I added rubber feet to the rear so it could stand on it's back like a regular stage box but still cool properly.

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: Loujudson on June 24, 2014, 09:19:23 pm
Wow, I wish MY dealer would notify me! I do not hear form A&H not frm Sweetwater. You're the first to tell me!

Oh, no, wait a minnit. Not up there yet!
<http://www.allen-heath.com/ahproducts/qu-24/#tab5>
only 1.4 - false alarm! Or give a link for it.
Thanks,
L
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: jasonfinnigan on June 24, 2014, 09:27:02 pm
Wow, I wish MY dealer would notify me! I do not hear form A&H not frm Sweetwater. You're the first to tell me!

Oh, no, wait a minnit. Not up there yet!
<http://www.allen-heath.com/ahproducts/qu-24/#tab5>
only 1.4 - false alarm! Or give a link for it.
Thanks,
L

Why would your consumer based dealer (sweetwater) notify you of FW version updates? only ones that are more directed to the pro world do stuff like that. And they also usually won't beat online prices but have much better service. Just check the website from time to time. Also you may want to change your Display Name to the your full first and last name per forums rules.
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on June 24, 2014, 09:50:14 pm
Why would your consumer based dealer (sweetwater) notify you of FW version updates? only ones that are more directed to the pro world do stuff like that. And they also usually won't beat online prices but have much better service. Just check the website from time to time. Also you may want to change your Display Name to the your full first and last name per forums rules.

Lou Judson IS his name and he's been around here longer than you, having registered in 2011.  It says Newbie because he doesn't often post...not because he just registered.

As to Sweetwater/pro shops etc, my Sweetwater rep keeps me up on things like this. 
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: jasonfinnigan on June 24, 2014, 10:33:30 pm

As to Sweetwater/pro shops etc, my Sweetwater rep keeps me up on things like this.

I've never had Sweetwater reps tell me anything much. Heck when ordering they always toss me around, don't respond to emails/calls very well. I've given up and use either full compass or local dealers as they carry more anyway.
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on June 24, 2014, 11:00:54 pm
I've never had Sweetwater reps tell me anything much. Heck when ordering they always toss me around, don't respond to emails/calls very well. I've given up and use either full compass or local dealers as they carry more anyway.

Maybe if you actually buy stuff...
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: jasonfinnigan on June 24, 2014, 11:10:01 pm
Maybe if you actually buy stuff...

What the heck is that suppose to mean? I probably spent $30-35 grand with sweetwater this last past year.
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on June 24, 2014, 11:28:04 pm
What the heck is that suppose to mean? I probably spent $30-35 grand with sweetwater this last past year.

Well if that's the case then I guess they're not responding to you for some other reason.  Most everyone I know cites them for stellar service and attention to detail.

Maybe if you stopped bugging them with all those darned orders...
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: Bob Leonard on June 25, 2014, 12:53:29 am
Why would your consumer based dealer (sweetwater) notify you of FW version updates? only ones that are more directed to the pro world do stuff like that. And they also usually won't beat online prices but have much better service. Just check the website from time to time. Also you may want to change your Display Name to the your full first and last name per forums rules.

Sweetwater is a pro level dealer who will work with you on anything at almost any level. An example might be the Expression I bought through my rep for $2200. They shipped second day free and upgraded the firmware before they shipped, and yes they do notify customers of needed upgrades, etc. Yesterday I bought a Gibson guitar from them. Everything I wanted to know about the guitar was explained and detailed pictures of the guitar, the one I was buying, were sent to me before and after the purchase. Not an expensive Gibson at $1650, but I saved $100 over anyone else selling the guitar. These guys are NOT MF, GC, AMS, etc. and are 100 levels above those people when it comes to sales, service, and support. I would think based on your statement you have either never been to their web site, don't receive their catalog, or have ever purchased anything from them.
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: John Penkala on June 25, 2014, 07:05:55 am
Sweetwater is a pro level dealer who will work with you on anything at almost any level. An example might be the Expression I bought through my rep for $2200. They shipped second day free and upgraded the firmware before they shipped, and yes they do notify customers of needed upgrades, etc. Yesterday I bought a Gibson guitar from them. Everything I wanted to know about the guitar was explained and detailed pictures of the guitar, the one I was buying, were sent to me before and after the purchase. Not an expensive Gibson at $1650, but I saved $100 over anyone else selling the guitar. These guys are NOT MF, GC, AMS, etc. and are 100 levels above those people when it comes to sales, service, and support. I would think based on your statement you have either never been to their web site, don't receive their catalog, or have ever purchased anything from them.

You just like the candy.  ;D
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: Loujudson on June 25, 2014, 09:55:23 am
Thanks Dick and Bob for jumping in here. Sweetwater does good by me for the level of gear I buy, and I don't even eat the candy! Props to my rep Jeff Barnett - Jason, you should try him out sometime. Good guy.

But I still am curious abut the V1.5 update - is there any evidence of it anywhere?
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: John Halliburton on June 25, 2014, 10:07:00 am
Thanks Dick and Bob for jumping in here. Sweetwater does good by me for the level of gear I buy, and I don't even eat the candy! Props to my rep Jeff Barnett - Jason, you should try him out sometime. Good guy.

But I still am curious abut the V1.5 update - is there any evidence of it anywhere?

It has already been reported that the update is scheduled for early July release.

I spend under $100/year at Sweetwater on average, and get email flyers, emails from my rep, and the occasional yearly phone call.  Anyone spending $30-35k last year would be taken out to lunch by the rep in my opinion.

Best regards,

John
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on June 25, 2014, 12:28:41 pm
  Anyone spending $30-35k last year would be taken out to lunch by the rep in my opinion.

Best regards,

John

I think he's already there...
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: jasonfinnigan on June 25, 2014, 03:20:09 pm
Sweetwater is a pro level dealer who will work with you on anything at almost any level. An example might be the Expression I bought through my rep for $2200. They shipped second day free and upgraded the firmware before they shipped, and yes they do notify customers of needed upgrades, etc. Yesterday I bought a Gibson guitar from them. Everything I wanted to know about the guitar was explained and detailed pictures of the guitar, the one I was buying, were sent to me before and after the purchase. Not an expensive Gibson at $1650, but I saved $100 over anyone else selling the guitar. These guys are NOT MF, GC, AMS, etc. and are 100 levels above those people when it comes to sales, service, and support. I would think based on your statement you have either never been to their web site, don't receive their catalog, or have ever purchased anything from them.

Depends on what you are looking for they have some pro level stuff. But the speakers they carry are all MI grade. Full Compass carries much more variety, as well as your local dealer (who provides a lot of the nation level touring sound on the east coast, so good discounts on volume as well as good opinions on use from in the field). We bought all our mics, consoles & cases, Digital snake,  K&M stands, XLRs packs, etc from sweetwater though. You can't really get high end speakers, power distros etc from sweetwater
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: Kemper Watson on June 29, 2014, 01:55:25 pm
What is the total weight in that case?
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: John Halliburton on June 30, 2014, 10:22:34 am
What is the total weight in that case?

I'll grab the scale today and go get a reading.  Probably lies, just like it does with me though...;>)

John
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: frank kayser on June 30, 2014, 10:45:15 am
I got this special case about 30 years ago -
put a 30lb mixer in a 25lb case the total ends up being only 10lbs total to lug around.  Great case.


Should never have got rid of that one.  Can't find a replacement!


frank
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: Jerome Casinger on June 30, 2014, 10:48:43 am
John:

Appreciate your posts.  I am looking pretty heavy at this mixer and curious on the firmware upgrade.  I have the x32, and its paid itself off and still sells used for about what I paid for it.  But it is now the "weakest" link in my chain and by that I mean the one piece of gear that gets questioned at my gigs.  Plus I have never used more than 20 channels in 2 years.  Will be interested to read more on this one and how its working out for you.
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: Mike Christy on July 14, 2014, 10:37:23 am
First time out with the QU-24, virtually no time using it previously, not counting an hour going through menus and setting mutes, etc. didn't even have case or ipad yet. Did a 10 hour festival yesterday, 6 bands, absolutely no problems or issues with the board, sounds great, nice effects, easy to use, quick to setup. Last band input list was:

voc x 3
drum kit (6)
bass
keys (2)
git x 2
harp amps x 2
violin
acoustic

Talk about a busy mix, not even a line check,  plug and go, mix up < minute.

The only thing that caught me off guard was setting the comp threshold, in the 01V96 world metering -12dbfs or so is our 0db target, in the A&H QU world 0db is 0db, so it is "analog-like" metering, ooooooooh, ok.

Mike
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: John Halliburton on July 14, 2014, 12:30:12 pm
First time out with the QU-24, virtually no time using it previously, not counting an hour going through menus and setting mutes, etc. didn't even have case or ipad yet. Did a 10 hour festival yesterday, 6 bands, absolutely no problems or issues with the board, sounds great, nice effects, easy to use, quick to setup. Last band input list was:

voc x 3
drum kit (6)
bass
keys (2)
git x 2
harp amps x 2
violin
acoustic

Talk about a busy mix, not even a line check,  plug and go, mix up < minute.

The only thing that caught me off guard was setting the comp threshold, in the 01V96 world metering -12dbfs or so is our 0db target, in the A&H QU world 0db is 0db, so it is "analog-like" metering, ooooooooh, ok.

Mike

I have a similar post to add...

I worked the pub stage at the annual summer festival at the Irish center here.  Outside in the parking lot is the main stage, a large tent, with a Vertec rig.  We also set up in the pub, the auditorium(mostly for dancers), the ballroom up on the fourth floor, and two smaller stages outside.

We used my four coaxial wedges and drive(two plx3602+Ashly Protea 4.24sp), my two Orbit Shifter subs(driven off a Protea output feeding an iTech 6000 in stereo), my mic kit/stands/cables, and my Qu-24 in the pub.  FOH tops were two pair of QRX 12" two way on my drive rack, biamped(two plx3602+Ashly Protea 4.24sp). 

Music started at 6:00pm Friday until midnight, then noon to midnight on Saturday, and noon to 11:30pm on Sunday.

The QU-24 was flawless.  We had everyone from a solo musician playing guitar/banjo, all the way up to six piece rock bands.  I had to leave early on Saturday afternoon to attend a concert, and one of the other guys at the shop who also just bought a Qu-24 sat in for me and just set up the mixer with his preferred configuration and dove right in.  I come in Sunday morning, fire up the system, and recall my configuration and off we went.

The mixes have definitely been sounding better vs. my analogue mixers(GL2400), and the new mixer is the only change.  Having all the features available on each channel and output has to be a factor, but I also feel that the quality of the features is very much improved over my old mixers.  I suspect the preamp circuit design is an improvement as well.



This mixer is great so far
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: Mike Christy on July 14, 2014, 12:43:49 pm
That cajon must have sounded KILLER with not 1, but 2 orbit shifters!  ;D
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: John Halliburton on July 14, 2014, 12:55:56 pm
That cajon must have sounded KILLER with not 1, but 2 orbit shifters!  ;D

Had Djembe on Sunday night that was played hanging from a sling on the shoulder, so we put a D112 in back about 10" away that had a better sounding low end.  Regular kick drum was just slamming in there if desired.

Best regards,

John
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: Kemper Watson on July 17, 2014, 09:52:12 pm


Has anyone tried using the stereo outs as an additional mono send? It is doable?
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: Nitin Sidhu on July 18, 2014, 07:21:22 am
Has anyone tried using the stereo outs as an additional mono send? It is doable?

If we need 7 mono mixes, then we patch to 1-2-3-4-5-7-9. Pan does not follow channel, so thats cool.

Long back, on an analog A&H, also with fixed stereo auxes, i used a combination of Pan and level to get 2 additional mono sends. Pain, but doable.
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: Mike Christy on July 18, 2014, 10:15:24 am

Has anyone tried using the stereo outs as an additional mono send? It is doable?

I just looked and you can assign the two Alternate Outs as just about anything, is that what you mean?

-Mike
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: Kemper Watson on July 18, 2014, 04:58:38 pm
I just looked and you can assign the two Alternate Outs as just about anything, is that what you mean?

-Mike

No. There are 4 mono sends and just after them, 3 stereo mix sends. If I need another mono mix can I use one side of these?
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on July 18, 2014, 05:09:42 pm
No. There are 4 mono sends and just after them, 3 stereo mix sends. If I need another mono mix can I use one side of these?

Yes.
Title: Re: QU-24 update
Post by: Kemper Watson on July 18, 2014, 11:01:45 pm
Yes.

Thanks