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Title: Ipad
Post by: Bob Leonard on October 26, 2013, 07:50:58 pm
I don't do Macintosh unless it's got tubes in it. But, now that I've gone digital and Soundcraft will be releasing their new app soon I would like to buy an Ipad. I don't want to spend lot's of money on something I'll use for only one application when an Ipad 2 would probably work fine. Any recommendations for the Ipad and router? Or should I just get the Ipad and use one of the dozen routers I have laying around the house? Maybe even the one my left foot is literally on top of right now........ Cisco E2500.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Rick Earl on October 26, 2013, 09:18:14 pm

 Any recommendations for the Ipad and router? Or should I just get the Ipad and use one of the dozen routers I have laying around the house? Maybe even the one my left foot is literally on top of right now........ Cisco E2500.

I've had no problems with any routers I have used, as long as they are managed well.
 
I don't see any issues with an Ipad 2, it might become obsolete sooner, as some of the later OS updates will no longer work and eventually the same with the apps.  Usually at that point, they come out with something new and you can get a deal on the previous model.
The other tablets are a bit more useful for other things, and at a much better price, I wish manufacturers would start developing apps for for those too, but I guess the ROI is not high enough yet.

Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: David Sturzenbecher on October 26, 2013, 10:01:11 pm
I had an iPad prior to having a smartphone.  In that situation I used the iPad a lot, because it made everything easier... mail, web, forums, VNC, it was great.  I went from the iPad one, and have now been on the iPad2 since the day it was released.   I haven't seen any "got to have feature" on the latest editions.  I invested a little bit in apps, mostly audio related, and ended up with an iPhone.   I found that my iPad usage decreased to about 10% of my pre smart phone use.    I really only use it for mixer apps and forum browsing at this point.

Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Tommy Peel on October 26, 2013, 10:22:01 pm
I don't do Macintosh unless it's got tubes in it. But, now that I've gone digital and Soundcraft will be releasing their new app soon I would like to buy an Ipad. I don't want to spend lot's of money on something I'll use for only one application when an Ipad 2 would probably work fine. Any recommendations for the Ipad and router? Or should I just get the Ipad and use one of the dozen routers I have laying around the house? Maybe even the one my left foot is literally on top of right now........ Cisco E2500.

Bob as someone who follows smartphone and tablet tech fairly closely I'd have a hard  time recommending the iPad 2 as they are getting pretty old and it won't be long before they're like my iPad 1 and not getting new OS updates. If the smaller size of the new Retina iPad Mini(2nd Gen Mini)  is a problem you'd probably be much happier in the long run with the new iPad Air that was just released. The new mini is the same price as the iPad 2 and is a MUCH better device than the 2; it is actually spec'd the same as the new iPad Air so it won't go out of date for a while. With the $100 price difference between the 2 and the Air I'd say getting the Air is a no brainer.

It's really a shame that the console manufacturers aren't supporting Android more, the new Nexus 7 is a much better "bargain" than the new iPads.

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Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Rob Spence on October 26, 2013, 10:39:56 pm
 Hi Bob

I would suggest a refub gen 3. The refurb units from the Online apple store are as new. They put the innards in new cases.

For a router, use one that lets you shut down the 2.4gHz radio. Use 5gHz.
Set an SSID that is not interesting. Don't use the default.  Mine is lasn (lynx audio services n). I use a Netgear WNDR3700.

Choose an uncommon channel number. Not the default or common ones.

Choose a subnet that isn't a default with any routers.


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Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Scott Wagner on October 27, 2013, 11:38:57 am
Hi Bob

I would suggest a refub gen 3. The refurb units from the Online apple store are as new. They put the innards in new cases.

For a router, use one that lets you shut down the 2.4gHz radio. Use 5gHz.
Set an SSID that is not interesting. Don't use the default.  Mine is lasn (lynx audio services n). I use a Netgear WNDR3700.

Choose an uncommon channel number. Not the default or common ones.

Choose a subnet that isn't a default with any routers.


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+1 with a few changes.  1. Hide your SSID.  2. Use the clearest channel (common or uncommon is irrelevant).  3.  If your radio is setup optimally, the choice of subnet is irrelevant.  Use any public network space as defined in RFC1918.

And yes, any WAP that you have will work fine.  I like 5GHz band, but honestly that's becoming less relevant every day as more 5GHz devices are in the wild.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Samuel Rees on October 27, 2013, 12:06:46 pm
I use an iPad 2, have not had any issues. If buying now I think I'd have to seek out a newer one that has the newer charging port. Silly reason, I know, I feel like they 'got me', but it's annoying to seek out 30pin chargers in a world of lightning chargers. Yamaha stagemix is a little slow on the iPad 2, I wonder how Soundcraft's new app will fare.

I've had great luck buying apple returns over the years. Better prices, similar warranties, current gen products.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Ryan C. Davis on October 27, 2013, 01:37:46 pm
One more note on the wifi.

Download inssider from metageek, it's a wifi scanner and you've probably heard of it. It's probably the most valuable piece of freeware I have and I use it ALL the time. It will show you what else is out there on both 2.4 ghz and 5 ghz so it makes channel selection much easier.

When selecting a channel on 2.4 remember to stay on 1, 6, or 11. You may be on the same channel as another network but its still much better than trying to go between those channels which creates something called adjacent channel interference- not good at all.

5 gig will give you less range but more channel options- i believe there are 9 non overlapping channels here. With 5 gig remember there are power limitations in different parts of the band. Try to use a channel in UNII-3 if possible (channels 149-161) they can use up to 4 watts.

One last wifi note, bob I know you said you had a bunch of old routers laying around. I just threw away a Cisco aionet 1200 ap that would have sold for $800 new and is being outperformed by $50 routers. There are new technologies that are being widely implemented like "beamforming" that are game changers for signal strength. Check it out. Cool stuff.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Rob Spence on October 27, 2013, 01:50:08 pm
One more note on the wifi.

Download inssider from metageek, it's a wifi scanner and you've probably heard of it. It's probably the most valuable piece of freeware I have and I use it ALL the time. It will show you what else is out there on both 2.4 ghz and 5 ghz so it makes channel selection much easier.

When selecting a channel on 2.4 remember to stay on 1, 6, or 11. You may be on the same channel as another network but its still much better than trying to go between those channels which creates something called adjacent channel interference- not good at all.

5 gig will give you less range but more channel options- i believe there are 9 non overlapping channels here. With 5 gig remember there are power limitations in different parts of the band. Try to use a channel in UNII-3 if possible (channels 149-161) they can use up to 4 watts.

One last wifi note, bob I know you said you had a bunch of old routers laying around. I just threw away a Cisco aionet 1200 ap that would have sold for $800 new and is being outperformed by $50 routers. There are new technologies that are being widely implemented like "beamforming" that are game changers for signal strength. Check it out. Cool stuff.

Scanning for good channels at the gig is a waste of time in my opinion. Why? Well, when you would do it, well before the gig, the interference has not arrived yet.

While more devices are on 5gHz, there are still more on 2.4 and range should be fine as long as the router is in the clear.

At the gig, it don't want to be messing with my network if I don't have to.


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Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Ryan C. Davis on October 27, 2013, 01:55:13 pm
I guess that's your choice. I'd rather not eq the feedback from the monitors but I'd be a fool if I didn't. Why in the world would you not take literally 1 minute to see what else is out there? I think most of the offending ap's are in place well before the show, don't confuse that with connection attempts, those are different items all together.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Tim Perry on October 27, 2013, 04:17:24 pm
... I have laying around the house? Maybe even the one my left foot is literally on top of right now........ Cisco E2500.

Bob, I couldn't be happier with the Airport Extream. The ease of setup and connecting beats struggling with all the wacko settings that i encounter on the other brands.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Ryan C. Davis on October 27, 2013, 06:24:05 pm
One plus for the airport is being able to run airport utility from your iPad itself for setup and adjustment purposes.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Bob Leonard on October 27, 2013, 06:54:04 pm
OK, thanks to all, and I'm leaning towards Robs suggestion, the Ipad 3 w/ 32gb RAM.

What does it mean when people advertise the Ipad is FACTORY UNLOCKED.

Also, what's the deal with no SIM card, factory, etc. SIM card??
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Scott Wagner on October 27, 2013, 08:30:50 pm
OK, thanks to all, and I'm leaning towards Robs suggestion, the Ipad 3 w/ 32gb RAM.

What does it mean when people advertise the Ipad is FACTORY UNLOCKED.

Also, what's the deal with no SIM card, factory, etc. SIM card??
Are you planning to connect this thing to your cellular provider?  If not, stick to the WiFi only iPad (KISS and all that).  If you're only running WiFi, the rest of that is simply jibberish.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Tommy Peel on October 27, 2013, 09:13:10 pm
OK, thanks to all, and I'm leaning towards Robs suggestion, the Ipad 3 w/ 32gb RAM.

What does it mean when people advertise the Ipad is FACTORY UNLOCKED.

Also, what's the deal with no SIM card, factory, etc. SIM card??

On iPads with the cellular data option they use a small card(similar to an SD or microSD card) called a SIM card which holds the data that allows the device to connect to the carriers network. I can't remember if the iPad 3 is universal in that it works on AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, & T-Mobile or if they only either work on certain ones. If they are universal (which I think they are) you can take one that was Verizon originally and put an AT&T SIM in it and use it on AT&T no problem. The term "unlocked" refers to the ability to use the iPad on networks other than the one that it came with. Most, if not all, cellular data iPads are sold with a specific carriers SIM card installed and they have a prepaid data plan that can be turned on and off month to month.

That said if you don't need/want the cellular data option it's best to get one that's Wi-Fi only, not to mention the Wi-Fi only ones are cheaper. If you don't have a smartphone getting one with cellular data might be useful though as you'll have Internet access anywhere you have cellular signal.

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Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Scott Wagner on October 28, 2013, 12:10:18 am
I forgot to add that a Lifeproof case is worth every penny - MILSPEC protection for your new toy.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS on October 28, 2013, 01:57:23 am
Wifi only iPads batteries last longer between charges.
You can always use your phones portable wifi network if you need to connect your iPad to the internet, that's what I do and it works great.
Retina display is great in midsummer sunlight even here in Phoenix.
I have the 32Gb new iPad (retina display) and have been very happy with it.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Jamie Chappa on October 28, 2013, 05:29:29 am
Im in the same boat right now. Just got an expression awaiting the app release before i go wireless. The band i work with seems excited about being able to control the iem mix on stage. I have never really setup anything like this, so my question is will multiple connections effect the stability of my connection to the console.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Brian Jojade on October 28, 2013, 12:04:02 pm
OK, thanks to all, and I'm leaning towards Robs suggestion, the Ipad 3 w/ 32gb RAM.

What does it mean when people advertise the Ipad is FACTORY UNLOCKED.

Also, what's the deal with no SIM card, factory, etc. SIM card??

If this is just for a console control unit, why are you getting 32GB? The 16GB is fine.  Performance is identical, the only difference is how much stuff you can store on it.  i.e., videos, pictures, music, etc.

While the iPad 1 is no longer being updated, you can pick them up dirt cheap and they are still a decent pad.  The iPad 2 probably won't see any more OS updates, but it's still a great unit at a decent price.  The 30 pin connector can actually be an advantage right now, as everyone's got 30 pin charging connectors laying around if something were to happen to yours.  While the new devices have lightning connectors, not everyone has a few spares yet.

The iPad 3 is not my favorite of pads.  It ran a LOT warmer than the iPad 2 and the performance difference wasn't all that great.

The iPad 4 brought the a6x chip which did have quite a speed boost.

The new iPad air is a whole next generation device.  Faster, lighter, better display.  When you look at the relative cost difference, it makes sense just to buy the newest unit, as you're going to get the most longevity out of it.  You're only looking at a couple hundred dollars difference in price at most.  Not having to deal with old technology makes it totally worth it.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Frank Koenig on October 28, 2013, 12:20:33 pm
I recently bought an iPad (4, Retina, Wifi only) to solve a specific problem, namely electronic flight bag, using the very nicely done Foreflight app. I confess I've found it to be handy for quite a few other things, within its Apple-imposed limitations, and no longer carry a laptop for trips away from home. Should I get a digital mixer, I expect the iPad, or its descendants, will be pressed into service there, too.

But here's the thing. Overheating, and consequently shutting down for several minutes, is the one serious technical problem that I, and a good number of others judging by Internet forums, have experienced. I use it in a kneeboard case, strapped to my thigh, and if the sun hits it for 10 or 15 minutes it turns off and won't come back on until it gets about 5 minutes of lying on the floor in the shade. As you can imagine, this is a real problem in the cockpit where you are now relying on this thing for your approach plates.

No one ever died from not being able to turn down the harmonica player, so far as I know, but this issue is something to consider in a live sound situation.

I'm curious about others' experience and solutions in dealing with this.

Oh, and my McIntosh is from that awkward time -- it has both tubes and transistors.

--Frank
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Tim McCulloch on October 28, 2013, 01:05:43 pm
If this is just for a console control unit, why are you getting 32GB? The 16GB is fine.  Performance is identical, the only difference is how much stuff you can store on it.  i.e., videos, pictures, music, etc.

While the iPad 1 is no longer being updated, you can pick them up dirt cheap and they are still a decent pad.  The iPad 2 probably won't see any more OS updates, but it's still a great unit at a decent price.  The 30 pin connector can actually be an advantage right now, as everyone's got 30 pin charging connectors laying around if something were to happen to yours.  While the new devices have lightning connectors, not everyone has a few spares yet.

The iPad 3 is not my favorite of pads.  It ran a LOT warmer than the iPad 2 and the performance difference wasn't all that great.

The iPad 4 brought the a6x chip which did have quite a speed boost.

The new iPad air is a whole next generation device.  Faster, lighter, better display.  When you look at the relative cost difference, it makes sense just to buy the newest unit, as you're going to get the most longevity out of it.  You're only looking at a couple hundred dollars difference in price at most.  Not having to deal with old technology makes it totally worth it.

The ipad 2 updates to ios 7.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Jason Lucas on October 28, 2013, 01:05:58 pm
On iPads with the cellular data option they use a small card(similar to an SD or microSD card) called a SIM card which holds the data that allows the device to connect to the carriers network. I can't remember if the iPad 3 is universal in that it works on AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, & T-Mobile or if they only either work on certain ones. If they are universal (which I think they are) you can take one that was Verizon originally and put an AT&T SIM in it and use it on AT&T no problem. The term "unlocked" refers to the ability to use the iPad on networks other than the one that it came with. Most, if not all, cellular data iPads are sold with a specific carriers SIM card installed and they have a prepaid data plan that can be turned on and off month to month.

That said if you don't need/want the cellular data option it's best to get one that's Wi-Fi only, not to mention the Wi-Fi only ones are cheaper. If you don't have a smartphone getting one with cellular data might be useful though as you'll have Internet access anywhere you have cellular signal.

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Unless something has changed in the past few years, not all providers use GSM, so they aren't interchangeable with CDMA phones/tablets (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407896,00.asp)

My mom just got an iPad Mini and I was honestly impressed with it. I've had an android tablet for a little over 2 years and the Mini is a lot more enjoyable to use.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Tommy Peel on October 28, 2013, 01:31:42 pm
Unless something has changed in the past few years, not all providers use GSM, so they aren't interchangeable with CDMA phones/tablets (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407896,00.asp)
Yes, only AT&T and T-Mobile are GSM in the U.S. But I think the iPad 3 and newer use a universal radio that works on both GSM & CDMA.
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My mom just got an iPad Mini and I was honestly impressed with it. I've had an android tablet for a little over 2 years and the Mini is a lot more enjoyable to use.
Yeah the older Android stuff doesn't work nearly as well as the iPads and newer Android stuff. The general consensus among the reviews I've seen is that the Nexus 7(both versions) is a very close match for the iPad in terms of usability. I know my Nexus 4 is much better than my previous DROID X. Also, FYI, a custom ROM might make your Android tablet much better; one made my DX much better.

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Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS on October 28, 2013, 10:22:44 pm
But here's the thing. Overheating, and consequently shutting down for several minutes, is the one serious technical problem that I, and a good number of others judging by Internet forums, have experienced. I use it in a kneeboard case, strapped to my thigh, and if the sun hits it for 10 or 15 minutes it turns off and won't come back on until it gets about 5 minutes of lying on the floor in the shade. As you can imagine, this is a real problem in the cockpit where you are now relying on this thing for your approach plates.

No one ever died from not being able to turn down the harmonica player, so far as I know, but this issue is something to consider in a live sound situation.

I'm curious about others' experience and solutions in dealing with this.
--Frank

I live in Phoenix, AZ.  I did gigs this year in 118 degree weather.  Mixing monitors on the 4th of July with no shade, direct sunlight, never had an overheating issue with my iPad.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Jim McKeveny on October 29, 2013, 12:50:57 pm
and you still live there...why?
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Bob Leonard on October 30, 2013, 01:08:29 am
Maybe Ryan collects lizards.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: George Dougherty on October 30, 2013, 01:10:28 pm
It's an extra monthly cost, but I'd recommend considering the cellular data version. I'm pretty careful about leaving mine around, but if somebody does pick it up or I leave it somewhere, I've got data service for it to communicate over to report its location. 

My father left his ipad in a rental car when returned and it promptly disappeared. Ios7's activation lock makes that more difficult to do, but it's possible somebody can work around it.  That taught me all I needed to know that I'd rather have the extra data capability anyway along with the added security. 
I'm on a shared data plan so my ipad is only an extra $10/mo for data service and hotspot capability on top of my family cell phone and data service.

+1 on the ipad4 at a minimum.  I'd rather have lightning compatibility going forward since you can adapt some things back to the 30pin if you have to.  AFAIK, you can't adapt the other way around.  For longevity of usability, lightning connectors are where you want to be.  Replacement cables are relatively cheap, so I have 4 for various locations to ensure I've always got one available.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Adam Whetham on October 30, 2013, 04:58:49 pm
It's an extra monthly cost, but I'd recommend considering the cellular data version. I'm pretty careful about leaving mine around, but if somebody does pick it up or I leave it somewhere, I've got data service for it to communicate over to report its location. 

My father left his ipad in a rental car when returned and it promptly disappeared. Ios7's activation lock makes that more difficult to do, but it's possible somebody can work around it.  That taught me all I needed to know that I'd rather have the extra data capability anyway along with the added security. 
I'm on a shared data plan so my ipad is only an extra $10/mo for data service and hotspot capability on top of my family cell phone and data service.

Speaking from experience (I maintain a fleet of iPhones and iPads) the first thing someone does when they steal/pick up an iDevice is to pull the SIM. I've been contacted within 5 minutes of a device of mine being grabbed at an airport and it was already off the grid. So while its handy if you misplace it and its in a secure location, it doesn't help if its been lost/stolen in a public area.

I personally still use an iPad 2 and I don't see a need to update to a 4. I'm probably going to purchase a 3 for my mom this Christmas. I can get her the 30 pin camera kit so she can upload her photo's directly from it. I like the 30 pin for that as its not a dongle hanging off of it for the SD adaptor. You have over 10 years worth of 30 pin cables in the world to feed off of, and the 4S and iPod classic are still current models, the 30 pin is still plenty safe for the next 4 or so years I would expect to get out of the iPad.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Bob Leonard on November 07, 2013, 04:50:41 pm
OK, so now that the new app is out and it appears 99% of the requested features have been added I've ordered an Ipad. Retina display, WiFi, 16gb. That should do it I think, but just in case, does anyone see why it won't??
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Rob Spence on November 07, 2013, 04:58:48 pm
Sounds right by me.


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Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Jay Barracato on November 07, 2013, 05:04:30 pm
OK, so now that the new app is out and it appears 99% of the requested features have been added I've ordered an Ipad. Retina display, WiFi, 16gb. That should do it I think, but just in case, does anyone see why it won't??

Get a shock case or you will discover why so many users of apple products are used to looking through cracked screens.

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Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Mac Kerr on November 07, 2013, 05:14:09 pm
Get a shock case or you will discover why so many users of apple products are used to looking through cracked screens.

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Seriously? Only Apple screens? I guess no other brand of mobile device can break. Except that 2 out of 3 mobile phones in my house are Samsung, and the only uncracked screen is the iPhone. I have never had a case on either of my iPhones since the 3G and have never had crack despite keeping them in my shirt pocket where they fall out onto tile floors often. No cracks in my iPad v1 either although it lives in the original flip over case.

Mac
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Scott Wagner on November 07, 2013, 05:33:07 pm
Get a shock case or you will discover why so many users of apple products are used to looking through cracked screens.
I've already "hipped" Bob to the LifeProof "tip".

Bob, that's plenty of iPad for your needs.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Samuel Rees on November 07, 2013, 06:14:25 pm

OK, so now that the new app is out and it appears 99% of the requested features have been added I've ordered an Ipad. Retina display, WiFi, 16gb. That should do it I think, but just in case, does anyone see why it won't??

Stagemix, ViSi 1, and X32 control all run great on an iPad 2 for me! Yours should be very quick.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Bob Charest on November 07, 2013, 07:44:50 pm
OK, so now that the new app is out and it appears 99% of the requested features have been added I've ordered an Ipad. Retina display, WiFi, 16gb. That should do it I think, but just in case, does anyone see why it won't??
Because it knows you're really an analog guy at heart? Just kidding!

Our iPads are all 1st generation, and the one being used to mix with is connecting to our wireless AP and taking control of the PC (running AirFader) via VNC.

Yours should more than do the job - best of luck with it!

Best regards,
Bob
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Tommy Peel on November 07, 2013, 08:49:54 pm
Seriously? Only Apple screens? I guess no other brand of mobile device can break. Except that 2 out of 3 mobile phones in my house are Samsung, and the only uncracked screen is the iPhone. I have never had a case on either of my iPhones since the 3G and have never had crack despite keeping them in my shirt pocket where they fall out onto tile floors often. No cracks in my iPad v1 either although it lives in the original flip over case.

Mac

My iPad 1 still has no cracks on the screen despite have a couple of decent dents in the back(mostly from the previous owner) and my previous phone's, a Droid X, screen is still fine despite spending most of its life(over 2 years of it being my only phone)  outside of a case. So far this Nexus 4 has been fine but I've got a case on it. :-)   Then again I've seen a couple of the real estate agents where I work break their iPhone screens on multiple occasions and one of my friends has broken his Motorola Atrix HD's screen more than once...

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Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Jay Barracato on November 07, 2013, 09:04:07 pm
Seriously? Only Apple screens? I guess no other brand of mobile device can break. Except that 2 out of 3 mobile phones in my house are Samsung, and the only uncracked screen is the iPhone. I have never had a case on either of my iPhones since the 3G and have never had crack despite keeping them in my shirt pocket where they fall out onto tile floors often. No cracks in my iPad v1 either although it lives in the original flip over case.

Mac

Maybe it is my students and the way they treat their stuff, but yeah, 4 out of 5 cracked screens I see are apple products.

I really kind of assumed that the higher clarity glass on apples obviously better screen was just more brittle.

I am glad you have had better luck with yours.

Edit- Now that I think of it, I had a recent gig with a X32 and the provider had 2 iPads, both with the star cracks I seem to associate with apple screens.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Bob Leonard on November 07, 2013, 11:18:35 pm
I have to side with Mac on this. My company gives us Iphones to use and I don't know anyone who has had a broken screen. I use an Otter on mine and as recently as two weeks ago dropped it from the second floor walkway in a building atrium to the marble floor below. I was sure it was done, but no harm, no foul, no breakage.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Tim Padrick on November 08, 2013, 03:12:37 am
Go used and save money.  But how to do it without going insane from the 'just sold it' and 'I got it for $80, you can too' folks?  Go on Craigslist and place a WTB ad stating what you are interested in, and that you will buy only in person.  I had the model I wanted in the case I wanted at the price I wanted in only two days.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Jay Barracato on November 08, 2013, 06:40:06 am
I have to side with Mac on this. My company gives us Iphones to use and I don't know anyone who has had a broken screen. I use an Otter on mine and as recently as two weeks ago dropped it from the second floor walkway in a building atrium to the marble floor below. I was sure it was done, but no harm, no foul, no breakage.

All the better.

I wasn't brand bashing. I was stating my experience, and the conclusion about what I thought was an engineering tradeoff (clarity or strength). I am also perfectly aware that I am more likely to see iPads with cracked screens simply because I am more likely to see iPads than any other tablet.

If it really makes the chorus happy, I will amend to "Put any device (brand agnostic) in a protective case for show use."
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Bob Leonard on November 08, 2013, 07:23:59 am
Go used and save money.  But how to do it without going insane from the 'just sold it' and 'I got it for $80, you can too' folks?  Go on Craigslist and place a WTB ad stating what you are interested in, and that you will buy only in person.  I had the model I wanted in the case I wanted at the price I wanted in only two days.

Tim,
I think you missed the part where I stated my company gives us the phones.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Ned Ward on November 08, 2013, 09:36:58 am
Sounds good to me Bob. Enjoy your purchase.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Tim McCulloch on November 08, 2013, 11:00:36 am

Tim,
I think you missed the part where I stated my company gives us the phones.

You missed the part where Padrick mentioned.... no specific models.

Once again, a lack of quoting and threaded discussion leads to misinterpretation.  I HATE non-threaded forums.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Mac Kerr on November 08, 2013, 11:08:06 am
You missed the part where Padrick mentioned.... no specific models.

Once again, a lack of quoting and threaded discussion leads to misinterpretation.  I HATE non-threaded forums.

I get crazy because people go to the extra effort to remove the quote that happens automatically, so their post can be misinterpreted.

Mac
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Tim Padrick on November 10, 2013, 01:28:53 pm

Tim,
I think you missed the part where I stated my company gives us the phones.

?  Your OP was about Pads.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Tim McCulloch on November 10, 2013, 01:43:16 pm
?  Your OP was about Pads.

Bob is touring nursing homes these days.  The "pads" he's encountered don't come from Apple. ;)

/satire
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Bob Leonard on November 10, 2013, 11:00:58 pm
Bob is touring nursing homes these days.  The "pads" he's encountered don't come from Apple. ;)

/satire

It depends.
 
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Bob Leonard on December 25, 2013, 05:27:18 pm
Mrs. Claus brought me a 9.5" Ipad with a Retina display and 32gb. I downloaded ViSi for the Expression, hooked up my WAP, and had everything up and running in about 10 minutes. My first test was to walk to the end of my driveway (265') and run the board. No problems at all. This thing is the balls and even this old guy has to agree with the ease of use and practicality. Thanks for all the recommendations guys, and merry xmas.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Bob Leonard on December 25, 2013, 05:29:42 pm
Accessories. Must have accessories. I think I'll start with a mike stand holder and protective case/screen protection.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Mark Campbell on December 25, 2013, 06:52:19 pm
http://www.otterbox.com/iPad-Defender-Series-Case/APL2-IPADD,default,pd.html (http://www.otterbox.com/iPad-Defender-Series-Case/APL2-IPADD,default,pd.html)

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/KM19742/ (http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/KM19742/)

Happy accessorizing!
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Bob Leonard on December 25, 2013, 09:13:32 pm
I'm very much into the Otter cases. Best you can get IMO.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Craig Leerman on December 25, 2013, 10:29:51 pm
While I have an Otter case for my iPhone, I bought Griffin Survivor cases for the iPads. I think they offer a bit more protection for the iPads.

A few weeks ago I mixed a show totally on the iPad using the ViSi remote with a Soundcraft Si 3. I had no worries about dropping the tablet as the Griffin case has a nice textured sides that are easy to grip. The Survivor cases are a bit bulkier than the Otter ones, but I would rather have a bit of extra protection than a slimmer case.

Craig
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Bob Leonard on December 26, 2013, 02:16:14 am
Craig,
A recent review I read told a sad story about the Griffin cases and a problem with a plastic piece that can damage the Ipad when dropped. I was one keystroke away from buying a pair. Any truth to the "review"??

Read the 1 star review at the link below.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/iPadSurvCase/
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Brian Bolly on December 26, 2013, 09:20:18 am
Craig,
A recent review I read told a sad story about the Griffin cases and a problem with a plastic piece that can damage the Ipad when dropped. I was one keystroke away from buying a pair. Any truth to the "review"??

Read the 1 star review at the link below.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/iPadSurvCase/

I have that Griffin case on my iPad (v2?  Dunno, it's a couple years old) and have since day 1.  Reading that review made me go take a look to see what in the world they were talking about, as I absolutely love the case and have recommended it to several people.

I suppose there is a small piece of plastic between the switch and the volume button that if dropped exactly in the absolute perfect spot could smash into the volume up button and make it stick, but the fact that he had it happen twice in the exact same spot has got to be dumb luck.  If you were that concerned about it, you could probably take a small file to that piece to create a little relief for the volume button were it to be smashed in that exact spot.

With regards to comments about the dust behind the screen, it happens - it's not a sealed case.  There's flaps for the switch, charge port, camera and headphone jack - it's not going to be 100% impervious to dust.  Big deal.  Pull the iPad out once every few months and clean the dust off.  I maybe remove mine once a year, and it's in an out of a backpack all over the world.  But the Griffin case has definitely protected my screen from some pretty serious scratches, which is exactly what it's designed to do.  Also, check Amazon for the case - that Sweetwater price is more than double what I paid for mine.

Bob, you specifically mentioned a mic stand clamp.  Keep in mind that most of the clamps aren't going to accommodate a case the size of something like the Otter or the Griffin, maybe only a thin sleeve at best.  Most of the musicians I see use the K&M clamps and end up pulling them out of whatever case they have it in to mount it for the gig.

http://products.k-m.de/us/Multimedia-Equipment/Holders

Good luck, YMMV.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: David Sturzenbecher on December 26, 2013, 10:26:28 am
I have a gumdrop case on my ipad, and it has been great.

http://www.gumdropcases.com/droptech-ipad-5-case.html

I have one of the early cases on mine, before they recessed the home button. Whenever I throw my case into a backpack the screen turns on.  Not a big deal for me as I turn mine off alot, but eitherway, it looks like they fixed this problem.
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Tim McCulloch on December 26, 2013, 12:44:04 pm
Accessories. Must have accessories. I think I'll start with a mike stand holder and protective case/screen protection.

Remember, the bag needs to match your shoes... ;)
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Bob Leonard on December 26, 2013, 01:18:49 pm
I have that Griffin case on my iPad (v2?  Dunno, it's a couple years old) and have since day 1.  Reading that review made me go take a look to see what in the world they were talking about, as I absolutely love the case and have recommended it to several people.

I suppose there is a small piece of plastic between the switch and the volume button that if dropped exactly in the absolute perfect spot could smash into the volume up button and make it stick, but the fact that he had it happen twice in the exact same spot has got to be dumb luck.  If you were that concerned about it, you could probably take a small file to that piece to create a little relief for the volume button were it to be smashed in that exact spot.

With regards to comments about the dust behind the screen, it happens - it's not a sealed case.  There's flaps for the switch, charge port, camera and headphone jack - it's not going to be 100% impervious to dust.  Big deal.  Pull the iPad out once every few months and clean the dust off.  I maybe remove mine once a year, and it's in an out of a backpack all over the world.  But the Griffin case has definitely protected my screen from some pretty serious scratches, which is exactly what it's designed to do.  Also, check Amazon for the case - that Sweetwater price is more than double what I paid for mine.

Bob, you specifically mentioned a mic stand clamp.  Keep in mind that most of the clamps aren't going to accommodate a case the size of something like the Otter or the Griffin, maybe only a thin sleeve at best.  Most of the musicians I see use the K&M clamps and end up pulling them out of whatever case they have it in to mount it for the gig.

http://products.k-m.de/us/Multimedia-Equipment/Holders (http://products.k-m.de/us/Multimedia-Equipment/Holders)

Good luck, YMMV.

Merry Christmas Brian.
 
I bought the clamp for tablets which is adjustable for size and large enough to hold the Ipad w/ the case (I hope).
Title: Re: Ipad
Post by: Craig Leerman on December 27, 2013, 05:37:20 pm
A recent review I read told a sad story about the Griffin cases and a problem with a plastic piece that can damage the Ipad when dropped. I was one keystroke away from buying a pair. Any truth to the "review"??

It looks like the reviewer put the frame on the wrong way on his iPads. On mine, the plastic is short on the side where the vol buttons are, and longer on the opposite side. I'll bet he just grabbed the frame and snapped it on without realizing it is supposed to go a certain way. If he did put it together the right way, then he is probably the only person to ever have damage to his unit from any case.

I've dropped my iPads onto carpet, tile, and concrete from table top heights with no problems. I'm thinking about getting another iPad or the mini, and I will stick that one in a Survivor case as well.

BTW, the case has a cool stand feature. Here it is standing on the Si3